by James Tweedie for the Saker blog
Back in August 2022 I wrote that NATO was ‘demilitarising’ itself, sending such huge amounts of arms to the Ukraine before and during the Russian special military operation (SMO) that its armies had nothing left to fight with.
That process has continued, with Slovenia, the northernmost of the former federal republics of Yugoslavia, sending its entire armoured vehicle fleet to Kiev. The last scrapings of the barrel, just announced, are 28 M-55S tanks. These are modernised Soviet-designed T-55s with some Israeli explosive-reactive armour (ERA) blocks added. But underneath that they’re still a 1950s design, four generations behind the latest Russian tanks.
The question now is: can those arms sustain the Ukrainian military effort? And if the Ukraine, the buffed-up proxy for all NATO and the Five Eyes countries too, is losing the war, when will Russia and its Donbass republican allies achieve victory?
I was born in the mid-1970s, during the Cold War, and I grew up under he shadow of the mushroom cloud. So I must confess to being one of those who were anxious for this conflict to be over quickly, before the nuclear powers came to blows. But one can’t hurry history.
War of Attrition
In his bombshell speech on the morning of 21st September 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin explained that the apparent slow progress of the SMO by the need to unpick the Gordian Knot of hardened defences the Ukrainian Nazi battalions built up on the front line over eight years.
“A head-on attack against them would have led to heavy losses,” Putin said, “which is why our units, as well as the forces of the Donbass republics, are acting competently and systematically, using military equipment and saving lives, moving step by step to liberate Donbass.”
Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu gave a televised interview the same morning. He gave extremely specific figures for both Russian and Ukrainian military casualties. “Our losses to date are 5,937 dead,” he said, but added that 90 per cent of the wounded had recovered and returned to duty.
According to Shoigu, Ukraine has lost 61,207 killed and 49,368 wounded (a total of 110,575 casualties) from an initial military strength of 201-202 thousand. The caveat to that that the Ukraine has conscripted hundreds of thousands of men into territorial defence units since the start of the conflict. That’s greater than a ten-to-one ratio of Ukrainian to Russian casualties
Shoigu also said that over the previous three weeks — since the launch of Kiev’s counter-offensives in Kherson and Kharkov — the Ukrainians had lost more than 7,000 men and 970 pieces of heavy equipment, including 208 tanks, 245 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), 186 other armoured vehicles, 15 aircraft and four helicopters.
That amounts to about 60 per cent of the roughly 350 tanks, and three-quarters of the 328 IFVs, supplied by Western countries since February 24. If one lumps armoured personnel carriers (APCs) in with IFVs, Shoigu is still talking about 30 per cent losses of NATO-supplied heavy armour.
Kiev is preparing for or has already begun more counter-offensives towards Lisichansk in the LPR, Donetsk city, from Ugledar to the south to Mariupol and towards Berdyansk or Melitopol in Zaporozhye oblast. Russian aircraft, missiles and artillery are already hitting the groups of forces concentrated for that. If those offensives go the same way as the others, surely the Ukrainians will soon run out of both men and machines, right?
Blogger and YouTuber Andrei Martyanov, a Russian who served in the Soviet armed forces, is not worried about about how long it takes to get the SMO over and done with. He has argued that his countrymen can win simply by waiting for the Ukrainians to throw themselves onto their bayonets, until they run out of bodies.
With all due respect, allow me to sound a note of scepticism: that assumes that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and his Western backers care how many die, or that the Ukrainian people (more than 8 million of whom are now scattered across Europe and even further afield) have the inclination and the opportunity to rise up against the fascist death-squad state.
The daily Russian Ministry of Defence body-count of hundreds of the miserable ‘territorial defence’ conscripts along the Donbass line — untrained and barely-armed middle-aged men press-ganged in the street — is not much of an indicator of progress.
It’s the territorial gains, no matter how slow, that matter. Russia cannot just count on the Ukrainians to suicidally ‘demilitarise’ themselves.
Putin’s announcement of a “partial mobilisation” of 300,000 army reservists was warmly welcomed by pro-Russian social media commentators. It is hard to exaggerate the importance of this, coupled with the referenda in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson on reunification with Russia.
But there are caveats. State Duma Defence Committee chairman Andrey Kartapolov clarified that those troops would be deployed to defend the country’s borders and to create “operational depth” — in other words as a second defensive echelon. Martyanov argues that will free up regular front-line troops to conquer more territory. But it remains unclear how many of them were deployed to begin with.
Eyes on the Prize
So what is Russia trying to achieve in the Ukraine? Putin said in his Wednesday morning speech that the main task was to defend the Russian-speaking people of the Donbass. That implies capturing the whole of the oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk.
But some ‘stretch goals’ may be added, including forging a land corridor to the Crimea and maybe even Transnistria, the Russian protectorate in Moldova.
Russia’s other main aim was to stop the Ukraine from joining NATO. That would allow the US to base nuclear weapons just 300 miles from Moscow in a position to launch a first strike attack.
US President Joe Biden’s response to Putin at the UN General Assembly later that day included the comment that “a nuclear war cannot be won — and must never be fought.” While true, that observation was shamelessly hypocritical. It was likely only made out of fear after Putin’s warning that Russia takes national defence and nuclear deterrence seriously.
Securing the Ukraine’s neutrality is not just part of “demilitarisation”: it could also be called “de-Nazification”, since NATO and its shadow the European Union (EU) were behind the 2014 coup by the Azov battalion and their ilk.
But Russia needs a legitimately-elected head of state to sign up to that, and right now that man is Zelensky. A peace deal struck with any military junta which might depose the comedian-turned-president would only be denounced by the next elected leader.
Even if a new civilian government was elected on a pro-peace, non-alignment platform (as Zelensky was), it would only last as long as it took the US, UK and EU to organise a repeat of the 2004-05 ‘Orange Revolution’ and the 2014 ‘Euromaidan’ coups d’etat.
The crazy Ukro-Nazis and their enablers have to ‘own’ the peace and the agreement to cede the Donbass and Crimea — and thereby lose all credibility.
But the Ukraine had already lost the Crimea and effective control over the Donbass before the SMO even kicked off. Kiev won’t sign any peace deal unless it has something else to lose. If Moscow is also serious about readmitting Zaporozhye and Kherson to the Russian motherland following a ‘Yes’ vote in the coming referenda, then there’s nothing to bargain with there either. Russia may need to capture other territories to use as bargaining chips.
To do so, it would have to inflict a defeat on the Ukrainian armed forces that would force them to retreat — not only from Donetsk and Lugansk but from other areas, maybe all the way back to the Dnieper river that divides the country in two.
Such a victory can’t be won unless Russia regains the initiative and actively starts pushing the Ukrainian armed forces back.
The Great M.I.C. Cash-In
The Kiev regime’s aims are clearly to keep grifting off its Western sponsors as long as possible, before fleeing to the sunny tax havens where they have billions stashed. But what does the West really want out of this war?
The stated aims of Washington and friends are to defend Ukraine’s territory and sovereignty (code for invading the Donbass and Crimea and ethnically cleansing them), along with its non-existent “right” to become a NATO launchpad, to “weaken” Russia militarily (by causing as many casualties as possible) and to put “international pressure” on Putin (economic warfare with the goal of regime change).
One should avoid making predictions, but let’s say the US and its satellites fail in all of that (since they have done so far). What will they try to win as a consolation prize?
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, an unelected bureaucrat who made a huge mess of her previous job as German defence minister, has vowed that sanctions on Russia will continue for years to come. That the sanctions are crippling the economies of EU member states, especially her home country, doesn’t seem to bother UVDL. And seeing the EU and its appointed commissioners are increasingly imposing their foreign policy diktats on the 27 governments, she might get her way.
More importantly, NATO desperately needs to save face — now that it has exposed by Russia as a paper tiger. Hence the triumphant crowing over moves, far from complete, to grant existing de-facto allies Sweden and Finland formal membership.
The West may try to claim a kind of moral victory on the basis that it may take Russia more than a year to defeat ‘brave little Ukraine’, or be forced to wipe out most of its military-age male population to win. But whose idea was that? Zelensky, Biden and all other Western leaders have made that bed.
But NATO is really just a pyramid scheme to sell overpriced Western, especially US, arms to its vassals. And therein lies a contradiction, because the US military-industrial complex (MIC) has competition from those of the UK, Germany, France and even Sweden — a country with a smaller population than the city of Moscow.
The Ukraine has used the referenda on unification with Russia as the latest pretext to demand Germany donate its newest models of Leopard 2 tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles. But why doesn’t Kiev ask the US for some of its M1 Abrams and M2 Bradleys instead? The Pentagon has many more to spare.
The truth is that neither Germany nor the US can afford to have its supposedly-invincible wunderwaffen shown up, and blown up, in battle with Russian forces. Despite weighing only two-thirds as much as the US and German behemoths, the Russian tanks have about the same effective armour protection — thanks to state-of-the-art ERA technology — and guns of equal destructive power. And there are a lot more Russian tanks, anti-tank missiles, attack jets and helicopters on the battlefield in the Ukraine.
The US has only managed to sell the M1 to eight other countries, compared to 18 for the Leopard 2. The export model of the Abrams is ‘Nerfed’ by removing the depleted uranium rods from its composite armour, so countries like Australia and Saudi Arabia get sub-par tanks. The only overseas customer for the British Challenger 2 is Oman, while the French Leclerc tank has been exported to the United Arab Emirates and Jordan.
By contrast, the Russian T-72 is currently in service in 40 countries, including both Russia and the Ukraine. Like the Russian intervention in Syria, the war in the Ukraine could prove to be a serious marketing tool for the Russian arms industry — eating the US MIC’s lunch.
“…What will they try to win as a consolation prize?…”
Apparently the author does not realize that the Russian Federation will not concede consolation prizes.
Apparently you did not realize that the “consolation prize” refers to the US and NATO ;-)
Sorry – my misunderstanding :(
“that NATO was ‘demilitarising’ itself”
Not the entire NATO – bulgarians sent no tanks and APCs, although they have a lot of soviet designed and locally produced hardware. Instead, when it proposed to do so, the US-approved puppet government was removed from power.
I think we are going to see more and more of this. European leaders will either get “unelected” or simply thrown out as millions of hungry cold people vote with pitchforks en-masse.
NATO is sending the last of its old weapons, and Ukraine is sending the last of its men. They may have more men to send to the front than weapons. How many AK74s can they afford or have in storage to send to the battlefields, only to have thousand to die in a day, or ten thousand a week? Estimates Ukraine and NATO have lost 300,000 men since Operation Z, 3 times more than MOD public body count at cost of 6,000 from the Z coalition.
Russia is making very real gains in Donbass, and that is scaring the bejesus out of Zelensky and his handlers.
He and his predecessor, Adolf Hitler have always been the most degenerate actors. I wondered how many people could just walk towards their death without fear, then you discover most Ukrainian troops are high on opiates and meth, like their cocaine addict leader Zelensky.
Just to be clear, the 6,000 Russian KIA does not include casualties among the military of the Donbas republics.
From Sergei Shoigu’s inteview, he did not say the number excluded the Donbas. The Donbas militias have salaries and veterans benefits and are under Russian command. The land is also now Russian. The telegram channels report 2k LPR and 2k DPR casualties. The first russian casualty report was 1300. I have seen no evidence that the casualty rate increased dramatically. The reports, months ago, reported Donbas militias were losing about a company (100 men) a week, while Ukraine was losing approximately 10,000 men a week, during the worst fighting. The militias were also the most poorly equipped and trained troops of the russian military. I have doubts with the suggestion that they are not counted.
“I was born in the mid-1970s, during the Cold War, and I grew up under he shadow of the mushroom cloud.”
I was born in mid-50s and people had bomb shelters in their yards, under their houses, we practiced duck and cover at school.
Seems nothing ever changes. We were NEVER under threat from China or Russia, only from the arrogance and stupidity of our own “leaders”.
Whoever is trying to get you killed is your enemy. It’s the same old panic grift always.
https://fivegunswest.blogspot.com/2022/09/zu-aschen-zu-staub.html
same criminals, different target
same shit, different decade
same conspiracy, different century
same tribe, different millenium
The truth is this will be a huge boon for the US military industry.
After all stocks of weapons are depleted across Europe who do you think all of these countries will be compelled to buy their next stock of weapons from ?
For the US it is always about the money. Always.
Considering the current economic downfall of EU countires, I doubt they will be in position to spend much money on overpriced armament from the US, in foreseeable future.
They will lend-lease their future and just print more money.
I doubt they will be in position to spend much money on overpriced armament from the US, in foreseeable future.
Maybe they will have to buy from Russia instead. Bonus: more for less!
Exactly what i was thinking….if only they were allowed to do so, or even if RF manufacturers would agree to sell to “unfriendly neighbors”….
the pertinent question is whether US MIC has assured itself of sufficiently functional supply chains for all the materials it needs to build the toys in the aftermath of economic sanction against Russia for its prospective clients.
No
No they have not.
That would require foresight and planning without prejudice.
Impossible in the Deep State
I’l second that. Kinda hard to build military aircraft without Russian titanium….for many decades now the US MIC’s prime directive is to milk the money from the tax base, not to make reliable weapons. Stryker? F-35?! Ford class carrier? Zumwalt littoral combat ship? Overpriced Lemons that fare poorly in the real world.
Thank you Mr. Tweedie for the article.
Now, here it is. If one does not follow the war, then the article provides a bunch of ´information´. For those that do follow the war it is not informative, at all. Some of it is out of sync with what is going down at present moment, depending on how closely one follows the ball.
The situation is simple, Russia has crippled the UAF. NATO is getting bled to death on equipment of all types. At this very moment, Russia is about to expand its hold over Ukraine in a permanent manner and inject 300k more troops into the scene. They are getting involved in making life hell for the other side. They are going to be doing stuff, military stuff. It will provide, at its own pace, a flexible wall that can obliterate anything Moscow doesn´t like near the new border. This easily includes rolling over Kharkov and Odessa like an old school police raid on a New Orleans brothel.
The tactical and supply chain complexities being pushed into the face of the West is mind blowing for them. A simple example is how would the Romanians feel about Russian border forces being right on their own border, with accompanying patrols and C4ISR breathing all over their cereal? The pressure fellas is not on Russia at all. In the mean time, how is it going in the industrial base for the Occidentals, hmmmmmmm? Oh yeah, just peachy right? I am not a fan of Kissinger but, he did warn them about this thing losing a handle if the West did not knock it off.
The SMO is a world wide operation, which only presently looks like something local. Oh yeah it will get called something else in other places but, the goal will not change. These guyz in the suits in the West were given a shot to avoid their destruction by backing the heck off. They choose not to do so. So, they get to play with this imp, until the dance is over. Russia laid this out in crayon long before the shooting started.
And, I am just one fellow out here watching the whole damn thing burn. For the record, I am not smiling about it. But, here we are.
I wish well to all.
Thanks John,
You’re far from the only person to say the UAF is crippled. But in that case, why is it not collapsing, and the Russian forces marching through Donetsk and Zaporozhye? Where did the Ukraine find tens of thousands of troops and hundreds of armoured vehicles to throw away in the counter-offensives?
From a position of professional experience that allows me a little better perch to view from than most, I think the resources that are available supporting the offensive activities of the UAF of late are considerably more than are visible to “outside” eyes. I doubt that the current level of effort is sustainable without a change in declared parties to the conflict and I think that over time the blanket of secrecy will erode particularly as the conflict escalates. What I certainly underestimated (don’t think I’m the only one) was the elasticity that this massive operational and strategic support would provIde the UAF but it’s still clear that the rubber is stretching pretty thin.
I agree with your assessment 100%.
Thank for the reply, I was surprised.
Basically the gear outside of Ukraine they have used is old stuff that was hanging around in various places. The active gear that was taken from old Soviet satellites was what they were hanging onto and now it is gone. There is a bunch of arguments as to where, who and how but, it is what it is. I remember I had a friend in Supply in my time in the suck during the first half of the 80s, and he explained how it worked. He used the example of somebody who used the system to order a brand new 1945 Harley Davidson motorcycle. It arrived as requested in the crate. The problem was they got caught doing it. With the appearance of the M113s and 105s, the game is shown to be over now. Now they have to cut muscle to feed the UAF.
Troops, easy, think outside the box just a bit. Do you imagine that defense in depth was the only thing on the NATO plate over the last years before the kick-off in Feb.? Hardly. Want evidence? Look at how the NAZIs were brought into the Ukrainian military at pretty much every angle possible in regards to command and control; especially enforcement. Oh yeah they thought about it plenty. Occidentals planned on Ukies getting mauled and knew they would need plenty of bodies. Before Russia started grinding up very much, Ukraine had big call ups and they were pretty well organized. Kind of tough to do on the fly so, it looks to me that they planned for that too.
Really what is throwing the works akilter, started before Syria and is continuing with Ukraine. My opinion is during the second Chechen war Russia decided what to do, began to tune up in Georgia, took the offensive in Syria and is driving the nail further deeper with this SMO. Russia doesn´t think piecemeal, so the US and Co. needs to rethink it all out because things like Taiwan are already cake on a plate, ready to go for a while now. An example? For instance, when did Russia start making cartography a priority for the military? Napoleon knew when, to give you a clue.
My take. As I said, I appreciate your article. I wish well to you. Take care James.
Russian military is very cautious, and taking very few casualties. The Ukrainian held areas are heavily mined, and advances have to be cleared by sappers and demolition technicians. There are also Ukrainian saboteurs, drones slowing down progress.
Ukraine still has a large population pool to conscript men, they are very poorly trained, but are still lead by foreign mercenaries, many with combat experience, backgrounds in special forces. For armor they are being sent vehicles from NATO.
Nicely put, I have been observing much the same thing for the past 8 years or so….
Most of those around me are highly opinionated, but underinformed.
But as you said: Here we are….
Great article.
Sergey Yurievich Glazyev fired a hypersonic missile into the western financial Lernaean Hydra. No chopping the head off this serpent with two heads replacing it. The head dies, oozing poison, and as the Ruble-Yuan-Rupee-Rial-Others trade goods & services, another dollar decapitation.
Of course they hate Russia, they’re going to have let go a lot of staff, like the Queen did on her deathbed, excess baggage, with Hydra’s steep decline in wealth. The bought & paid for politicians will see a pay cut, the major redundancies will spring from their propaganda outlets as Hydra’s influence/reach wanes.
Jab jab, set up the big punch, lights out.
Correct, neither the West or Zelensky care how many Ukrainians die, nor do the Ukrainians have the inclination to resist being conscripted to die on the eastern front. So since Ukrainians are dying anyway, it makes no sense for Russia to be hesitant to bomb the smithereens out of Ukrainian cities and infrastructure, they are dead anyway so just flatten them. Saving zombies is not a virtue.
Even after the new territories are incorporated into Russia, the remaining Ukrainian zombies will still be attacking and bombing, so all of Ukraine needs to be occupied. Look at the example of the Chechens, they came under Western influence and became a problem. The problem was flattened and now the Chechens are the best of Russians when it comes to foot soldiers. But the Chechens have brains, the Ukrainians have got no brains, its impossible to turn them from their Western notions, plus they have no saving graces, so they are not worth saving. And since the tactic is to use barbarians against other barbarians (maybe that should be use Goyims against other Goyims), next NATO Poland and / or NATO Turkey is going to be thrown against Russia.
When you refer to groups of human beings as “zombies” to justify their killing, them you have already joined their ranks.
most of these are zombies, given they are high on narcotics, and sent into battle as cannon fodder.
It’s hard not to see the downside of the “Ukrainian condition” where about 75% of them in Kiev openly support the Stepan Bandera cult. While demanding someone come save them from their oppressive leaders and condemning pro-Russian supporters at the same time.
After being forced to fill the trenches under Ze’s orders, are still afraid to launch a coup against their own leaders. And seemingly, would rather get shot in the back as they desert the trenches, or blown up, than face down their own enemies from within and behind.
Saving them seems like a lost cause, and a dangerous exercise in itself. On behalf of those with such an ambivalent nature.
Spoken like a true PeaceNik. Europe is full of zombies, Russia facing a zombie apocalypse on her western borders.
The real zombies are the EU and NATO heads, brain dead automatons engaged in a killing spree.
I’d love to see their offshore bank accounts.
At some point Russia may have to place a nuclear line in the sand to keep military equipment from pouring in. While for the moment it is just equipment from NATO, eventually to continue, it must be boots on the ground. Exactly why should Russia have to wait until NATO troops engage them face to face when they can be held at a distance by creating a wide band of radioactive wasteland they must pass through?
In WW2, allies went after German factories by bombing them. Reasonably if NATO wishes to continue, Russia will be forced to hit factories on NATO soil. It is like nobody has thought this through to the next step.
The USA has been running about the world on military adventures without ever having to pay the price on their own soil becoming a threat. Now the USA wants to play chicken with an adversary that can strike back to a US target anywhere in the world.
Western mentality could be emboldened by years of mask wearing and running around throwing mandate molotovs on its own citizens who must comply or else. So far, US policy seems to be knocking the UK and EU back to the stone age.
A good start would be to send a message to the Reich by hitting their illegal bases in Syria,even if that means destroying the oil fields where the rats are.
Agreed. Asymmetric hybrid warfare. Chop off tentacles here and there unexpectedly.
I’ll bet this happens and not to soon either… The Iranian missile forces demonstrated their accuracy on a US base and the message understood. If something like this DOES go down it could very well trigger a frenzy of activity, starting in the Golan.
News has just come in that Nordstream 1 & 2 have been sabotaged. See Video below -Gonzalo Lira:
2022 09 27 –The Americans Declared War On Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IIwltTM4Q
Gonzalo seemed to forget about BBB, which must destroy before building back. Without gas, many businesses will go bankrupt, freeing vast amounts of RE to be acquired cheap to meet the BBB goals of cubical housing for Europeans. The future is bicycles, wheelbarrows and public transportation.
After the government created disaster, government will be there with the BBB fix. Davos billionaires funding housing project Europe. Naturally, the Davos billionaires will receive generous tax breaks for coming to the rescue.
I agree with almost everything you said here except this bit: “Even if a new civilian government was elected on a pro-peace, non-alignment platform (as Zelensky was), it would only last as long as it took the US, UK and EU to organise a repeat of the 2004-05 ‘Orange Revolution’ and the 2014 ‘Euromaidan’ coups d’etat.”
I think by the time this thing winds down none of the agent provocateur you mentioned would be in a position to organise a repeat of their usual intervention. The way the wind is blowing right now, it would be a marvel if the collective West is still standing united in a couple of years.
Let’s wait and see how long the mostly brain-washed EU citizens would continue to gullibly accept the diktats of the Ursula von der Leyens and all other parasites lording it over them. The spate of right-wing succeses in national elections from Sweden to Italy is an indication that the Europlebs might be finally waking up. Should the right-wing politicians follow in the same foot step as the neo-liberals that are being thrown out. Well as the saying goes : “Those who make peaceful resolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
Right on cue 3 pipes spring leaks . NS1 NS2 . Germany doesnt seem to be able to 180 now and negotiate. Question would be cui bono. Germany blames ukraine or russia. Who can sabotage an undersea pipe? Uk usa? Dirty tricks, a lot of people will suffer needlessly for political points from the psychopath neo-cons
I don’t understand why the author doesn’t say that Turkey’s leopard 1 and 2 tanks exploded like soda cans, in Syria, because of very basic anti-tank weapons.
In the Ukraine the same thing happened again, they were blown up by the T90 with greater mobility and firepower.
That’s why the US doesn’t give up its Abrahams tanks because it would sink its reputation as a weapons manufacturer.
Thanks Leonidas,
I recall that Brian Berletic of The New Atlas made the point about Turkey losing Leopard 2s in northern Syria a few years ago, in one of his recent videos.
Leopard 1s are obsolete tanks from the 60s taht were designed to be lightly armoured and agile, in the belief that anti-tank weapons would always be one step ahead of armour. Then composite armour and ERA came along, and they decided to build very big tanks.
What I would say is that nothing is indestructible. Even if the Leopard 2 or the M1 Abrams were the undisputed best tank ever, they would still end up getting knocked out by ATGMs, aircraft or some other means in a real war.
I am not that optimistic regarding the potential loss of money by the USA MIC. They have lots of goodies to sell to the EU vassals apart from the mentioned weapons.
Thanks Leonidas,
I recall that Brian Berletic of The New Atlas made the point about Turkey losing Leopard 2s in northern Syria a few years ago in one of his videos recently.
Leopard 1s are obsolete tanks from the 60s taht were designed to be lightly armoured and agile, in the belief that anti-tank weapons would always be one step ahead of armour. Then composite armour and ERA came along, and they decided to build very big tanks.
What I would say is that nothing is indestructible. Even if the Leopard 2 or the M1 Abrams were the undisputed best tank ever, they would still end up getting knocked out by ATGMs, aircraft or some other means in a real war.
Sorry, I meant this comment for the post above yours!
In Iraq war II Abrams were knocked out by large IEDs. I watched a video of an Abrams airborne and flipped over.
Simple physics, the bigger and heavier the object, the more powerfull the explosive needed.
The Lockheed F35 is the big one, eh? It reminds me of the corrupt “deal of the century” for Lockheed’s other great lemon of an aircraft, the F104. Robert Calvert of Hawkwind (with fellow aviation buff Lemmy on bass) did a great musical satire on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEQbHT_WtKk
Am so glad you referenced that! Massive Hawkwind fan here, have the original vinyl of that album. Robert Calvert a total star, sadly missed, along with Lemmy.
F-35 fiasco a total reprise of the Starfighter. US MIC hopelessly corrupt corporate welfare queen. Assume 10:1 costs vs Russian MIC. So F-35s working out at around $300m a pop vs Su-57 for $30m. 10x costs for a far worse outcome. The balance is grift, basically.
Sorry but there’s currently no where to put this:
https://en.topwar.ru/202461-na-fone-povrezhdenij-severnogo-potoka-polskij-gazoprovod-baltic-pipe-okazalsja-netronutym.html
Amid damage to the Nord Stream, the Polish gas pipeline Baltic Pipe was untouched
oday, the new Baltic Pipe gas pipeline was officially opened, designed to replace Russian “blue fuel” with Norwegian in the Polish market and in neighboring countries.
“Baltic Pipe has been a Polish dream for decades. This is a touching moment.”
– said President Andrzej Duda.
“It is a symbol of Polish independence. The era of Russian dominance in the gas sector is ending.”
– said Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.
The technical launch of the “pipe” is expected on October 1, but these plans were in jeopardy. Yesterday and today, leaks were recorded on both Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, Nord Stream 1/2, which were caused by significant damage, the cause of which is being established.
The Polish Foreign Ministry has already rushed to announce a possible “Russian provocation”. As Janusz Steinhoff, the former Minister of Economy of Poland, stated, “the Baltic Pipe pipeline passes near the accident site, intersecting with SP-2”:
“This issue must be taken very seriously. Let’s see what will happen next.”
A strange, I must say, “Russian provocation” – especially against the background of the fact that it was the Baltic Pipe that turned out to be untouched.
Baltic Pipe is able to supply not only Norwegian gas to the east, but also “blue fuel” from Poland to the west, to the Danish market. In the second case, we are talking primarily about the possibility of transiting liquefied gas from the United States through Poland, which can receive an LNG terminal in Swinoujscie (another one is planned to be built in Gdansk before 2028). As the Polish authorities hope, this will allow the country to become a gas hub for a number of European countries.
See ZH for a pipe map with damage points :
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged
https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2022-09-27_08-32-24.png?itok=hMbcg7uD
The Baltic pipe does cross very near one point, undamaged. Whoever did this knew the score.
As regards NS1,2 leaks, it is also possible this gets Scholz off the hook from German Demo’s demanding Open NS2 !
Anyone remember this incident :
Explosive-Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline
Fri, 11/13/2015 –
https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline
That drone had a cable.
News has just come in that Nordstream 1 & 2 have been sabotaged. See Video below -Gonzalo Lira:
2022 09 27 –The Americans Declared War On Europe
https://www.Dollars11.com/
The problem is that the people of Ukraine need to rise up and overthrow Zelensky and the mob. There was an article that many people in Kharkiv for example are ready to rise up but they don’t see enough Russia military support. It does not help that Russian units are fluid leaving territories they formerly held. This started as a special operation for the sole purpose of hoping the Kiev government to fall. It has not happened yet, so it appears Russia is moving into different phases of a strategic plan that wasn’t drawn up yesterday. I agree with Martyanov assessments fully.
‘European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, an unelected bureaucrat who made a huge mess of her previous job as German defence minister, has vowed that sanctions on Russia will continue for years to come. That the sanctions are crippling the economies of EU member states, especially her home country, doesn’t seem to bother UVDL. And seeing the EU and its appointed commissioners are increasingly imposing their foreign policy diktats on the 27 governments, she might get her way.’
I’m not totally convinced about this. Already there are governments in Budapest and Rome which are going to give the EU bureaucrats serious grief. The Poles aren’t very keen either. But the elephant in the room is obviously Germany. I simply don’t see the German people allowing the EU to bankrupt Germany without Germany totally cutting off funds to Brussels, which will in effect, bankrupt the EU. Germany is the biggest net contributor and it won’t be continuing to contribute if Brussels and the Berlin nutcases decimate Germany industry.
The Dutch farmers are rising up in major protest as well.
There’s a very realistic scenario now that the EU will completely break up by 2025.
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But Russia needs a legitimately-elected head of state to sign up to that, and right now that man is Zelensky. A peace deal struck with any military junta which might depose the comedian-turned-president would only be denounced by the next elected leader.
Now, c’mon. Iran nuclear deal cannot be signed because US president’s agreement, elected one way or another, means literally nothing for the next one. What the difference military junta makes?
Are you arguing that no peace treaty will be honoured by Kiev? The logical conclusion is that Russia will have to annex the whole country, or at least as far as the Dnieper and Odessa. That means it will have to take back the initiative and take and hold territory.
Nope. Just that it’s irrelevant – junta or the clown. They are, as we all know, smaller part of the problem. Huge one is in DC. They are, we know that too so well, nedogovorosposobni. That’s it. Good article, by the way.
Re.: Another explanation re. SMO and Russian ultimatums of 12/2021
Current scenarios presented by most analysts on the side of the “east” assume the “west” is suicidal, stupid, ignorant, deluded, incompetent, etc, etc. It is always foolish to assume your foe’s actions are based on any of the preceding, especially the foes in the collective “west” because they have succeeded and survived for centuries. So, the sequence of events begs for a better explanation. My suggestion is that the entire situation in Ukie has been arranged, predetermined as a compromise.
I have heard that virtual war games in mid 2021 told both sides that NATO could not win in any scenario.
So, it may be that the American side of the anglo American partnership decided to break with the City and work with the east.
It may be that the two sides agreed to a compromise when they met in January. As compromises go, there is pain for both sides but mostly for the west.
The ukraine nazis et al were now no longer useful. But they would not go away, certainly not by themselves and Biden could not get rid of them. Nor could anyone else except guess who.
The soviets tried for decades to dilute them, mix them, ferret them out and otherwise outlaw and eliminate them. All to no avail. So, Biden presented them to Putin, all collected in fortified concentrations in east ukraine. Biden could not be seen in any way supporting their betrayal and elimination. So, the Russians would have to expend Russian lives and assets to actually eliminate them. And when the first batch was eliminated or taken, the USA would send in more weapons and urge the fools to keep fighting until all the remaining ones Ukrainian and foreign were chewed up.
The RF has to live with Russo phobia until the war ends and the horrors of nazi crimes are exposed. By then Biden is dead and blamed for all. Harris is never heard from again. That’s why they chose her. Biden was chosen to clean up the mess he made over the years. That is why his election was railroaded thru.
Soon the other side, the RF, gets security with Ukraine absorbed, nazis gone and security guarantees. The RF thru sanctions gets a new economy with new industries replacing imports. This makes Russia China stronger.
And Zelensky and poland play along like good children. Poland gets territory but must liquidate remaining nazis in west.
The USA gets the assistance of China/ Russia in the “financial” deleveraging that must occur because it cannot go on and because it does not fit into the NWO of Russia China who are now running the global economy.
The USA also gets the destruction of their competitor, the euro and Eurozone, also courtesy of sanctions which Marshall Plan 2.0 will rebuild with american natural gas if it exists.
That is why the Ukie armed forces were all arrayed to the east and not on the russian border. God! That was “stupid”, wasn’t it? No not really. “Why didn’t the usa know russia would invade from all directions. They did know. It was agreed on.
And the “neocons” who are not in on the deal are just aghast. In the end they will be as discredited as Biden who will be gone and shamed for having lost the war.
Possible dissenters are the City. Thus they may be trying to break up the USA which is longer of use. And they will continue as the Commonwealth and replace the dollar with crypto. But so far, not going too well.
Just the start of an alternative explanation that actually explains some of the “unexplainable”. I could go further. What do you think?