By Guilherme Wilbert for the Saker Blog
Uzbekistan, a relatively small country wedged between landlocked Turkmenistan to the south and Kazakhstan to the north, is undergoing state reshaping and suffering from protests that some analysts are calling “foreign interference” in what is known as Karakalpakstan.
Karakalpakstan is a relatively sovereign region within Uzbekistan. Relatively because it shares veto power over its “state” decisions (the territory is not a de facto country) with Uzbekistan. According to Karakalpakstan’s own constitution, relations with the Uzbeks are regulated by treaties and agreements, and disputes in theory are resolved through “conciliation.” It turns out that the region’s right of secession is limited by the veto power of the Uzbek laws. More specifically in article 74, chapter XVII of the Uzbek Constitution it is stated, “The Republic of Karakalpakstan shall have the right to secede from the Republic of Uzbekistan on the basis of a national referendum held by the people of the region.”
The region needed to be autonomous with an attempt by Uzbekistan to try to emulate the Russian federation model, which also has republics endowed with certain autonomies, but because they are ethnically different from Russians in general. In the case of Karakalpakstan, it works almost the same way since out of almost 2 million people in the region today, it was estimated in 2007 that at least four hundred thousand were part of the Karakalpak ethnic group and Uzbeks numbered 400,000 along with Kazakhs, who make a number of just over 300,000 in the region.
So realize the cultural imbroglio within the region…. Which makes them perfect victims of possible color revolutions.
Recently, earlier this month, large protests broke out in the territory that is trying to secede from Uzbekistan as there is an Uzbek constitutional proposal on the region’s autonomy to withdraw autonomous status.
The press secretary of the country’s president, Sherzod Asadov, said in his telegram that this past Saturday a State of Emergency in the autonomous region needed to be implemented until August 2 as an attempt to contain the spirits of the region’s population.
The country’s president arrived in the region last Saturday for a visit and promised that he would uphold the constitutional amendments that authorize the region to have autonomous status.
But not all protests are always legitimate and supported by the regional population.
I must remind you that Kazakhstan, in January of this year, part of Russia’s eastern front, also underwent an attempted colored revolution which required calling in peacekeepers from the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization), a military alliance also known as the Tashkent Treaty between Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Belarus. This saved the continuation of Kazakh President Tokayev’s term in office.
And it was proven in these protests that there were several foreign interferences to the point that the president of the country needed to call in friendly armies to maintain social order in the country. This could result in a pro-Western color revolution in a country historically allied to Russia.
The Westerners’ tactic of divide and conquer is well known, which they have tried in several parts of the world, be it in Sudan, which also became South Sudan after several inter-religious and ethnic conflicts in the region fomented with the blindness of the international community, be it in the former Yugoslavia that was dissolved into the small states we know until today after a NATO intervention. Examples are not lacking. In fact, I will work on an article just for this one day.
The question remains whether what is happening now in Uzbekistan is something that has to do with popular power, which could indeed be seen with good eyes, or whether it has to do with foreign powers and interference to make Uzbekistan an even smaller country, assuming that in a possible independence of Karakalpakstan, the government would almost 100% certainly be pro-Western, making it evident that what could be about self-determination of peoples and all the discussion about it today, in fact was a territorial dissolution of an already small country sponsored by the usual agents.
Dr Evil has his eye on Kerplakistan, mwahahahaaa.
> it was estimated in 2007 that at least 400,000,000 were part of the Karakalpak ethnic group and Uzbeks numbered 400,00 along with Kazakhs, who make a number of just over 300,000 in the region
I think you may want to double-check all of those numbers :)
If you go here and scroll down a little, this is the map that shows the connections. I’ll try and embed this one in a bit.
https://www.responsibletravel.com/holidays/the-stans/travel-guide/the-stans-map-and-highlights
So, you can see clearly where Xinjiang is – a nexus on the Belt and Road and the Chinese province that was plagued with attempts at violent overthrow and now is a target in western propaganda.
Of course these are all attempts at stopping or damaging Belt and Road.
We should have a report soon by Pepe Escobar about this issue. This is his old stomping grounds and he knows it like few. He has been over that land for 30+ years by foot, auto, bus, mule and caravan, sometimes in disguise and running for his life!
This is a serious issue.
▪︎It impacts Kazakhstan (KZ), another attempt to coup that country, as this autonomous region is ethnically related to KZ and abuts them physically.
▪︎It appears to bear on escalating shenanigans of the perfidious Sultan of Swing directed at Russia and China, through his projects at the Turkic Council and Greater Turan.
▪︎It bears upon Xinjiang and AZE bringing trouble to its many borders, as well as breaking a branch of the BRI. This region used to be a part of the ancient Silk Roads, with nearby lovely Bukhaara and Samarkhand..
▪︎Uzbekistan (UZ), the most numerous and cultural center of the Stans, has been mismanaged by their authorities for 30+ years, esp by the last dictator Islam Karimov. He allowed himself to become too close to the West, and their Farghana valley became Salafi central.. the newer authorities have tried to distance themselves from the cancerous AZE, but you cannot undue overnight the inroads of 30-years of internal sabotage and grooming of 5th columns. Many did not know in January, around time of KZ coup attempt, UZ also faced a coup attempt related to protests from high fuel prices, just like KZ.
▪︎This is explosive and UZ can expect to remain under the gentle ministrations and kettling of Uncle Scam & Co. It needs to lose its haughtiness and get BACK at once into the CSTO that it left, in order to have a chance.
CSTO
Do you think America/NATO would like to put a military base there?
Yes. But those days are gone. Do you not see NATO’s evisceration on the killing fields of the Ukraine? Its fate is wrapped up with Azov and Right Sector.. And the US, like the British of 1950s, is in rapid retreat.
But they can still influence via (1) Turks culturally, (2) Salafis among the poor, (3) the brainwashed anglophiles among elite factions who stash their loot in the West, and (4) traditional anti-Russian nationalists and chauvinists which exist in all lands surrounding Russia or former USSR.. The issue with Russia-China and sovereignists within the Stans is how to manage those four 5th-column groups.
Note this meeting took place one week before UZ ignited. VVP also visited UZ a few days ago (in response?). In many respects, given its dominating regional culture and numbers, where UZ goes, the rest of the Stans go..
Interesting etymology of the word or the place “Karakalpakstan”.
“Kara Kyrgyz”, a Kyrgyz people closely resembling the Mongols and dwelling chiefly in the Tien Shan highlands and the Great Pamir.
The word “Kayakalpa” comes from Sanskrit, kaya means “body” and kalpa means “transformation.” Kayakalpa is also an ancient system of bodily rejuvenation practiced in Ayurveda said to reverse the natural aging process. The belief is that kaya kalpa practices turn old cells into new ones, and remove all impurities and toxins, which cause physical degeneration.
“pāk” comes from Classical Persian meaning clean or pure.
“sthān” from Sanskrit स्थान (sthā́na), cognate with Avestan 𐬯𐬙𐬁𐬥𐬀 (stāna), Persian ستان (-estân, “place”), meaning place, site or location.
Thank you for the education. It does help!
That is so wrong.
There is no “y” in Karakalpak. Karakalpaks are very very close from Qazaqs. And all Turkic people share the same culture, to some degree.
Actually this word is composed of 2 parts.
1st part is Kara which means black, and every Turk, from Siberia to Anatolia will tell you that.
2nd part is Kalpak which means hat. For your information Atatürk used to wear a “kalpak” hat.
The Kara Kyrgyz were mentioned earlier. Of course, even in Hindi the word kara and kala means black or dark, as it does in Urdu. Words and their pronunciation change, as we move from one region to another. I understand that the Karakalp are supposedly Turkic people, but the various languages may have originated from some Indo-European language, and may have influenced each other during the course of history.
Very good points, AHH. The author needed to deepen the analysis/ramifications of the current “Sultan of Swing” policies in the region, incl the Artsakh escalation(s). That’s a key aspect, I concur.
And, btw, good catch on Pepe. He really knows what’s he talking about. His pieces on Afghanistan after the withdrawal are true gems and references for anyone wanting to write about geopolitics.
«the Chinese province that was plagued with attempts at violent overthrow»
It is just attempts at ethnic cleansing and massacre, by the uyghurs against chinese (mostly “han”) immigrants following the Belt-and-Road developments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_riots
“The first day’s rioting, which involved at least 1,000 Uyghurs, began as a protest but escalated into violent attacks that mainly targeted Han people. China’s People’s Armed Police were deployed and two days later hundreds of Han people clashed with both police and Uyghurs. PRC officials said that a total of 197 people died, most of whom were Hans, with 1,721 others injured and many vehicles and buildings destroyed.”
That was on a much smaller scale of the genocidal massacre of the chinese immigrants and other minorities in Indonesia organized by the USA and Suharto:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366
But still that riot looked like an attempt of some in the anti-chinese Uyghur side to begin ethnically cleansing the Han chinese minority or at least terrorize them.
Nothing new for the region, for example the jurchen/manchus, the uyghurs and the hui genocided almost the entire mongol dzungar people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide
«Of course these are all attempts at stopping or damaging Belt and Road.»
That too, but I think that the real prize is to setup DOD/CIA bases and biowarfare lab from which to train, fund, arm lots of “freedom fighter” factions inside China-mainland, applying to it the doctrine of “prometheism”.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40396396
“Opening and dividing China”, The World Today, May 1992:
“Needless to say, not all these regions are like to have the same views on foreign policy questions. Coastal regions would be less willing to see relations with the United States deteriorate, or take a hard line with Honk Kong or Taiwan. Worries over strategies of “peaceful evolution” pursued by outsiders would be different if one thougt of Islamic, Mongolian, or Taiwanese ideals. In sum, domestic reform in China is helping create several Chinas, with potentially different foreign policies. […] As the Soviet empire collapses, it is time to ask far-reaching questions about the shape of the Chinese empire. Of course there are major differences between the two cases, but there are nevertheless increasing signs that as China continues its economic reforms and opens to the outside world, it will also run the risk of fragmenting.”
This is just dated propaganda, worth reading for historical insight in western bias, and nothing more.
No Blissex, the wikipedia cannot give you insight into the matter whatsoever.
China has a terrorist problem. Group is called ETIM. East Turkistan something – I forget the full name.
It is still continuing with funding overseas Uyghur seperatist groups and sanctioning local Uyghurs back into poverty to create ideal conditions for extremism is a coordinated campaign to utilize terrorism against China.
ETIM has just recently been taken off the terrorist list by the US, of course we know why that happens.
Take a look at this by Nathan Rich – hopefully I have it at the right time marker. He talks a little about his own history in the beginning: https://youtu.be/EovpQE6dZeE?t=134
Then go and do a deep search (not a normal search) at the twitter search page for Daniel Dumbrill who followed this blow by blow.
The ‘terrorist problem’ is of course an attempted attack not only on China, but on Belt and Road.
If you read about the brutal ‘Han Chinese’ that is your hint that it is propaganda. China has 56 or 57 ethnic groups and they are integrated but also celebrated for their own individual characteristics.
Amarynth: “China has a terrorist problem. Group is called ETIM. East Turkistan something – I forget the full name.”
It’s the East Turkestan Islamic Party which is run, financed & co-ordinated via an East Turkestan foundation based in Turkey, & in reality, it is just a project run by MITI, Turkish intelligence. The ETIM have a very large branch in Idlib, Syria, where up to 8,000 estimated Uyghur jihadists are located, closely aligned with Jabhat al-Nusra, now known as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham. The ETIM involvement in Syria has done much to undermine their international image because they are a de facto terrorist organisation, & their commission of mass atrocities in Syria is notorious. Turkey effectively is establishing a Turkestani colony in Idlib, the Turkish state means for them to stay there. There was a similar project with the Chechens, & other Caucasus jihadist groups, but it proved they were too hard to control & because of the formerly huge contingent of Chechens in ISIS, the Amir (commander) of al-Nusra/HTS Abu-Mohammed al-Jolani ordered all Chechens & foreign jihadists, except for the Turkestanis, to leave Idlib or be killed. Jolani has been routing out ISIS remnants in the Idlib area, ISIS were able to filter their leaders & “caliphs” including Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (Ibrahim al-Badri) into the Idlib region & keep them there hidden, until al-Jolani in cooperation with Turkey & the US CIA rooted them out & had them killed in spec ops missions. It is all very convoluted. One thing people who take interest in all of this should know, is that despite the fact that the Salafi jihadist groups have worked in close liaison with the West, they are not controlled by the West as many assume them to be. Vladimir Putin warned the West publicly about trying to control these groups, stating that these groups are more intelligent than them & would end up out manouvering them. It also out to be remembered that ISIS as an organisation grew out of the Islamic State of Iraq, ISI, which was one of the main armed groups in the Iraq insurgency against the US. It was estimated at the height of the insurgency that ISI were responsible for up to 60% of attacks on US forces in Iraq.
Wikipedia is biased, not a trustworthy source.
There are also resources in these areas that the west would love to exploit.
Have a look at map on the cover of the Bozturk press of WWII Pan-Turk, Bozkurt, with the Grey Wolf symbol.
Today Turkey is NATO, and there is a Pan-Turk movement extending to China, but the Pan-Turk stuff is pure London, as Ataturk well knew crushing them then. Now revived again it seems…
«So realize the cultural imbroglio within the region…. Which makes them perfect victims of possible color revolutions.»
Prometheism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism
“a political project initiated by Józef Piłsudski, statesman of the Second Polish Republic from 1918 to 1935. Its aim was to weaken the Russian Empire and its successor states, including the Soviet Union, by supporting nationalist independence movements among the major non-Russian peoples that lived within the borders of Russia and the Soviet Union.”
The central asian areas are a gigantic mess like the balkans, created by wave upon wave of migrations and invasions, and eastern Europe is not far off.
«Recently, earlier this month, large protests broke out in the territory that is trying to secede from Uzbekistan as there is an Uzbek constitutional proposal on the region’s autonomy to withdraw autonomous status.»
The irony here is that is pretty much what happened in Ukraine in 2014: the new fascist post-Maidan government of Poroshenko tried to abolish the status of minorities-majorities (not just the russian cultural majority) and that made the Autonomous Republic Of Crimea vote to regain the independence it has declared on 1 December 1990, and the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk to protect their autonomy and their lives from being massacred by ukrainian government troops (the Mariupol massacre of 9 May 2014, celebrated by Obama, was the turning point).
Stalin did a major mix up of populations mainly to stop this Pilsudski’s plan; in addition, Russian speaking population settled down in other States within the USSR because they were needed for industrialization and other technical works. Thus Kazakhstan now has a very significant Russian minority. Lithuania has a significant Russian minority. Now, with this admixture, stirring up nationalism may work both ways: Ukrainian “nationalism” induced a Donetsk “separatism”.
From a European point of view it is quite amusing that the author is talking about Uzbekistan as a relatively small country. And Karakalpakstan has roughly four times the size of countries as The Nederlands or Switzerland.
Here a map of the territory: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Каракалпакия#/media/Файл%3AQaraqalpaqstan_Respublikasi_in_Uzbekistan.svg
The territory has borders drawn on a drawing board, which always tends to cause problems.
There are theories (conspiracy or otherwise) that Putin’s visit to Uzbekistan last week has something to do with the unrest. The Russians are again to blame… (sarcasm)
e.g. После визита Путина! Москва поджигает Узбекистан: тайная операция Кремля – шокирующие подробности!
After Putin’s visit! Moscow is setting Uzbekistan on fire: Kremlin’s covert operation – shocking details! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LghWFAFV4Jw
What it looks like to me is that a color revolution can be identified by there being a few agent provocateur’s in the crowd who stir things up by doing violent things. Under a different ideology, radical Islam accomplishes the same thing with acts of terrorism.
Yes, the West will try to take advantage of every possible opportunity to “rule by divide” etc. – but why there was even a mention of constitutional amendment on Karakalpakstan autonomy? What was the reason for it? Uzbek goverment should have see it coming!
Address of the US Embassy in Moscow, 😋
U.S. Embassy Moscow
55,75566° N, 37,58028° E
Phone: +7 (495) 728-5000
Fax: 728-5090
US did not like their new address – Donbass Republic Square.
The US renamed the Russian Embassy address to Nemtsov Place a couple of years ago.
Giving precise coordinates is a very BAD idea!
Recently Russia published precise coordinates of 5 Western decision centers…
The US may just blow up their own embassy and blame Russia you know.
Imperial ‘thinking’ is not creative – always falling back on oligarchy habits.
The British attempt to trap Turkey in a Neo-Ottoman Pan-Turk lurch, parallels precisely this weeks competition between Macron and Boris Johnson for a new European Roman Empire (no kidding!) from FT on Wednesday :
Roman empire’s alliance would benefit Europe – UK PM
https://www.rt.com/news/558103-johnson-roman-empire-nato-macron/
https://www.ft.com/content/dc5e1b27-f2ae-42f3-ac00-c40a411e33e1
Macron clams precedence, with Mitterand.
This parallels precisely the revived 3-Seas, a new Intermarium with Ukraine.
And the leak by Corriere dela Serra on Johnson’s plan for a Commonwealth of Europe, shows the Stars-and-Bars of all this.
Il piano segreto di Boris Johnson per dividere l’Ucraina da Russia e Ue: il Commonwealth europeo
https://www.corriere.it/economia/finanza/22_maggio_26/piano-segreto-boris-johnson-dividere-l-ucraina-russia-ue-commonwealth-europeo-02d3b232-dc6b-11ec-b480-f783b433fe60.shtml
During the 1980’s the USSR entertained a Third and Final Rome plan from the Church, thankfully not pursued….
And we would have thought this is all old hat???
This was reported yesterday on the Top War website:
https://en.topwar.ru/198532-v-karapalkastane-vvedeno-chrezvychajnoe-polozhenie-v-svjazi-massovymi-protestami-v-respublike.html
The riots that broke out on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Karakalpakstan have been going on for the third day, the situation remains very tense. Additional units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard of Uzbekistan are being drawn into the republic.
Riots broke out in the capital of Karakalpakstan on July 1 after the Uzbek authorities announced plans to deprive the republic of autonomy and the right to secede from Uzbekistan. Unsanctioned rallies began in Nukus, which escalated into attacks on law enforcement officers. The crowd got into fights with the police. At night, the confrontation only intensified, someone actively added fuel to the fire.
On Saturday, the authorities said that a group of organizers who tried to seize the authorities of the autonomy had been detained. Despite the measures taken, the riots continued, in some places turning into violent clashes. A state of emergency has been introduced in Uzbekistan, which will be in effect until August 2.
Last night, clashes between protesters and law enforcement officers continued, despite the imposed curfew, it came to the use of firearms by security forces. weapons. It is alleged that the authorities gave orders to law enforcement officers to harshly suppress the protests, the number of injured has already exceeded several dozen. There are data on the dead, but there is no exact information on them.
The Uzbek authorities declare their refusal to amend the Constitution, the corresponding message is sent to the mobile phones of the residents of Karakalpakstan, but the protests continue, gradually spreading to other cities. Rallies are reported in Kunrat, Kankal, Taktakopyr, Karaozek. The President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirzeyoyev flew to the capital of the autonomy for the second time.
> Uzbekistan, a relatively small country wedged between landlocked Turkmenistan to the south and Kazakhstan to the north
Turkmenistan has Caspian Sea access — how exactly is it landlocked?
Consider the correction added. Thank you for comment.
I will tell you what else it is. Karaakapalastan is 40% land mass with only 2 million as opposed to 35 million of total Uzbekistan. That means that Quebec can secede or Texas or just about anywhere.
Any protests in these countries that get violent is instructed by the west and Turkey. I have seen enough proof over decades to believe fully in what I believe. ( The west includes the Jews).
There will be a great push to destabilize central Asia by Zion USA and it is time for Russia and china to act in a forceful way. These idiot regions run by selfish, greedy oligarchs have no interests in protecting their sovereignty and they’re people.
Such is this world created by the evil , who prey on base human emotions to wreak endless havoc around the world. They simply know no bounds.
Today. China held some peace forum in which Burns of USA spouted the usual racist ignorance about Russia “upsetting the international order”. My ire is not against the piece of sh.t, but why the Russian shook his hands prior.
This man has vociferously advocated with numerous lies about China, so why let this garbage in?
China needs to realize that this evil will never stop, and the continuing trade with the west is always going to be held hostage. Take the losses, combine with Russia and take them on fully.
PS. Erdogan will get what is coming to him- a more duplicitous man that I can recall.
Creio que seja interessante olhar o que o Andrew Korybko tem escrito exatamente sobre essa questão do Karacalpaquistão. Ele já escreveu 7 artigos sobre isso. Me pareceu de muita sobriedade o que ele escreveu.
Os artigos estão postados no site do http://oneworld.press.
machine translation:
I think it would be interesting to look at what Andrew Korybko has written on exactly this Karacalpakistan issue. He has already written 7 articles about it. I found a lot of sobriety in what he wrote.
The articles are posted at http://oneworld.press.
We must not smell a western rat every time there is a rustle in the hay. For once we have to understand that people are not happy, poverty and corruption is rampant all over the ex-soviet space.
Besides why does the Uzbek govt have to revoke the constitutional guarantees that were hitherto upheld.
And it is not just the threat of Karakalpak losing its autonomy that people hate and fear; it is their understanding that their rights are being turned into privileges. It is the implications which they hate. Question is what are they afraid of. Unless Uzbekistan resolves that issue, this will remain a festering sore
NATO trying to create another Kosovo, and camp bondsteel 2.
“Uzbekistan and Karakalpakstan: an attempt at a color revolution from the West?”
Absolutely.
Yugoslavia felt apart because it never stood a chance due to millenia old administrative, ethnic and religion boundaries. Even 70 years of this unnatural formation was far too much. In 90/91, when it begun to disintegrate, the west, particulary the USA, was adamant trying to keep it together.
But in late 90s the tables had turned. The west, particulary the US, worked 24/7 to split what had left of Yugoslavia, i.e. the Montenegro and Kosmet, from Serbia. That was the case of pure western state terrorism.
Wrong – Yugoslavia was destroyed by the war party by funding various extremist groups. These extremists were obscure niche wackos until they got massive support from Washington.
US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman visited mid October 2021.
General Michael Eric Kurilla visited Uzbekistan mid June 2022
6 months is the sort of timescale the CIA has for ginning up a regime change op. Two visits in such a short time is highly unusal – usually something like once every two years. US bioweapons labs in Kazakhstan. Uzbekistan lies between Kazakhstan and Afghanistan. My guess, the US military at least never got over having to pull out of the Afghan drug factories and wants to re-establish lilly pads in the area. That is the most benign explanation.
Hmmmm.
You can just smell Uncle $hmuel, and Soros in this. No objections to them seceding, however NO Nato or EU.
A most important article – thank you.
The Enpire of Lies will spend big time energy trying to destabilize the entire periphery of the RF. Watch for similar efforts everywhere in 2023.
Can you guys PLEASE stop talking about “the west” as if it were a homogenous mass of Russia phobes?
Admittedly there are a HUGE number of NPC’s here, not entirely their fault, the game is so complicated and full of double standards that most people give up and just take their cues form the mainstream media, but there are a huge number of us who have no quarrel with Russia.
For the record I am very enamoured with some of what I’ve seen of the Russian people and culture, but I do think that there will need to be copius production of well sourced and transparent evidence to back up the claims made at the beginning and amplified thoughout the SMO, for Russia to achieve it’s multipolar world order without a bigger war kicking off.
I can truly understand Russian frustration at how things went since 1991 I’d really hoped glasnost was going to mean some more of that wonderfully agricultural yet FIXABLE tech from over there landed here, but nothing of the sort happened. Even I wrapped up in my daily life could see NATO creeping towards their borders, even I a mere peon, could see that ringing Russia with “Defensive missile systems” was a poor rewards for a nation that several times has chosen to de-escalate rather than launch during several dodgy moments in the cold war.
I saw those moments as indicative of extreme restraint and strength of the Russian character, (Admittedly perimitr gives you the “luxury” of NOT having to strike the first nuclear blow, but I don’t think that was running during the missile crisis).
I agree with Mr Putin (if he fixes this NWO sillyness I’ll start pushing for us to call him Dr Putin) there should be no world without Russia, but will someone please agree that a world that also includes England (despite our character flaws, but you lot have some too, TBF) should also be an objective?
There’s loads of stuff and new technologies yet to be invented, and you’ll get ’em quicker if you don’t sink our little island with your stupidly big nuclear poseidon system!
When Boris Johnson forwards Global Britain, when Liz Truss (who wants BoJo’s job) tells Russia Britain does not recognize sovereignty, when BoJo wrestles with Macron about a New Roman Empire, along with Italy leaking his Commonwealth of Europe, we have long left behind
That scepter’d Isle
set in a silver’d sea
of the Bard.
As an American the answer is no. The West is a problem and if we’re actually democratic then we all have to take responsibility for the actions of our government. Frankly, the call to say “not all Americans” (or Europeans) is part of what makes us so problematic. If you’re not part of the problem, you know that. Nobody has time or the energy to make sure you have a safe space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQv47CY7_Ok&t=2s All your nukes belong to us
There’s no question. It’s always both.
The internal problems create vulnerabilities. The external powers can exploit vulnerabilities for takeover.
With demand as great as that of crypto-Calvinist theocracy backed by all its resources, no supply can possibly go to waste.
Craig Murray has also commented on Karakalpakstan…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/07/karakalpak-unrest/