Two phone conversations have recently been intercepted by “parties unknown” (thank you Spetssviaz & 6th GRU!) which are truly revealing of the true nature of the folks put in power by the CIA.
The first one is a conversation between Igor Kolomoisky, mega-oligarch, Mafia don, dual Ukrainian-Israeli citizen and “junta governor” of the city of Dnepropetrovsk in southeastern Ukraine and Oleg Tsarev, ex-candidate in the Presidential election (ex Party of Regions, now independent), the one who was brutally assaulted in Kiev after participating to a show called – I kid you not – “free speech”. This is the machine translated transcript of the conversation (slightly corrected by me):
Kolomoysky: Hi.
Tsarev: Hi.
Kolomoysky: Where are you? Same place?
Tsarev: Same place.
Kolomoysky: How are you?
Tsarev: Good.
Kolomoysky: There’s big trouble happened . A Jew of the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish community was.
Tsarev: What happened there?
Kolomoysky: Well, a Jew got killed, one of the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish community . I am right now in the synagogue.
Tsarev: What was he doing there?
Kolomoysky: Well , no matter what he did. They said that they would put a contract on your life, fuck , big money.
Tsarev: For my life?
Kolomoysky: Million dollars. For your life . Yes. Moreover , they said that will be looking everywhere. Well, I just say that this so you say in Moscow, don’t travel anywhere
Tsarev: Let me tell you something . In Africa, there are …
Kolomoysky: Tomorrow they will go after your people (family) here.
Tsarev: In Africa, there is such a … such a poison …
Kolomoysky: Look, I don’t give a fuck about Africa. I don’t care about this. I am telling you that in the synagogue on the eve of the Sabbath there was a prayer. They prayed for the slain fellow Jew, comrade Shlemkevich, who was killed in Mariupol, fuck!
Tsarev: So …
Kolomoysky: And they said that Tsarev is to blame for it all, fuck . And tomorrow, fuck, the first thing they will do is look for all your loved ones, fuck . You better tell them to get the fuck out of here. Because we will hang them right on the public square, fuck … And tell Markov not to come here . Well, in the Ukraine. Under any circumstances . You hear me?
Tsarev: Do not call me . Do not call me , Igor.
Kolomoysky: Not to call you? Ok. So long Tsarev
Tsarev: Come on. Bye.
Charming no?
The second conversation, which is too long for me to transcribe here took place between a guy called Oleg Noginskii and the Israeli Honorary Ambassador to the Ukraine, Ian Epstein (spelling?). The Russian transcript can be found here. Two things are clear from that conversation: Kolomoiski is the guy who sent the neo-Nazis to Odessa and the Israeli diplomat and the Jewish community in the Ukraine are horrified by Kolomoiski’s actions and want to distance themselves from what they call “Nazi crimes”. Noginski spells out there conclusion:
We declare that the world Jewish community, first: has nothing to do with Mr Kolomoisky, second: does not support (the actions) in Odessa, or Mariupol or any of those involved and expresses sincere sympathy. And third, says that if a Jew is involved in Nazi crimes, we will fight first him.
I find this very interesting because it perfectly illustrates something which I have been trying to hammer into the heads of the pathological Jew-haters out there for what seems like forever: YES there are Jewish oligarchs out there who are almost a perfect caricature of the loathsome Jewish plutocrat-thug and they are very bit as bad as the worst anti-Jewish propaganda likes to portray them. But NO, they are not typical of a Jewish community which is every bit as complex and diverse as any other. Some Jews are truly horrified by what these oligarchs to and they are acutely aware that the backlash against such scum will hit the entire Jewish community.
Now, of course, a knee-jerk rabid Jew-hater will immediately reply that “oh, of course, how naive, these guys are playing both sides just to make sure to win” which is absolute crap. I personally have known many Jews who have were active in struggles for what is right without anybody knowing about it. Like my Jewish neighbor who was sending money to Serbs during the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo and even after, and then she was sending letters of support to Milosevic in the Hague not because she wanted to play “both sides” but because her entire family except her mother had been butchered in the Nazi camps and she was grateful for the Serbs for having really fought Hitler (unlike the rest of Europe).
Now while I am at it, let me make something clear here:
I am fully aware of the role which Jews played in the horrors of the 20th century, I am aware that they declared war on Russia first, and on Germany after that (both times the order came from organized American Jewry and Jewish banks), I loathe both Rabbinical Judaism and Zionism because both are based on self-worship and racism. I don’t need lectures on all the bad things Jews have done or are still doing. Believe me, I have read more anti-Jewish books than most people here (if only because I read them all not only English, but also in Russian which has at least 10 times as many anti-Jewish books as there are in English). And yet, I want to make something clear:
As Gilad Atzmon correctly points out – Jews are racist, but they are not a race. As Shlomo Sands proved it – there is not such thing as a “Jewish race”. It’s an invention. Like most nations, by the way. So we are dealing with two ideological phenomena: a) Jewish tribalism and b) Rabbinical Judaism. Neither of them is transmitted by genes, has any basis in biology or is somehow magically passed on from generation to generation.
So I am walking a very difficult and tight path here: I DO want to participate and support the struggle against the secular and religious manifestations of Jewish racism. But I DO NOT want to “cross the line” and do exactly what I accuse many Jews of doing: turn racist myself and deny our common humanity. I assure you that my position is a difficult one as I get labeled both an anti-Semite and a Jew-lover. I am neither. Or, I am an anti-racist and a mankind-lover if you prefer. I will go as far as saying that Rabbinical Judaism is, in my sincerely held conclusion, Satanic at its core and at least as evil as Wahabi Islam. And Zionism is noting but the semi-secular rendition of the same racist values (at least modern Zionism, the original one was a very different phenomenon). But to bring all the evils of our times only to the actions of those Jews who are truly evil is plain ridiculous: there is AT LEAST as much non-Jewish evil out there as there is Jewish one. Need I remind you all that the favorite slogan of the Ukie Nazis is: “Бий жидів та москалів” or “beat the Jews and the Russians” (notice that Jews come first!).
I am disgusted by the modern media in which no criticisms of Jews is possible or, not without at least 3 paragraphs of disclaimers. I hate the modern “Holocaust Industry” (As Norman Finkelstein called it) for constantly rubbing it in over and over and over and over again with the “Holocaust” and its absolutely mandatory figure of “6 millions” (the only case of mass murder in history which always has to be attached to a number of victims, the only one. Ever wondered why?). I find Israel an abomination whose very existence is a disgrace for all of mankind. And I am sick and tired of mediocre talentless Jews being promoted by their fellow Jews everywhere just because “he is one of us”. But NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with race, ethnicity or biology. This is simply the hijacking of an immoral and corrupt society by a particularly immoral and corrupting *tribe* which is also ruled by its own 1%. Just like non-Jews, the vast majority of Jews having no control over what their elites are doing in their name. As for their elites, they brainwash them literally from birth (just study the feat of Purim for a proof of that) and then further terrify them with the constant repetition of the mantra: “the goyim hate us, they almost exterminated us many times, we have to protect ourselves or they will exterminate us again, we need to make sure we hold all the positions of power and wealth to prevent the goying from killing us all”. And the percentage of Jews who believes that crap is about the same as the percentage of non-Jews who believe the propaganda which they are taught in their own home and schools. Guys – we are all humans, with the same weaknesses, the same inclinations and the same evil 1% ruling over us.
Anyway, I am getting off my soapbox fully aware that I must have pissed off both those who like Jews and those who hate them. Look, this is my opinion and I don’t expect you all to agree. What I will say is that this is my blog and this is my post and for the comments section under this post – just for this one time – I will set much stricter rules than usual. First, if you want to call me an anti-Semite or a covert Jew or Jew-lover – don’t bother. I plead guilty both (just to confuse and piss you off) and reject your comment. Second, IF you want to discuss the “J” topic – make darn sure that your comment is respectful to all others, well substantiated, logically organized and substantive. Venting or slogans will be rejected. And please posts on this topic only if you have something to say, at least in regards to my rant which I will single out in blue to separate it from the rest of the post about the Ukraine.
Oh, and for Pete’s sake, please read what I actually wrote. And if needed, read it again. I wrote what I wrote and not something else. Please don’t “read something into what I wrote”. No “overtones” or implications. If you are not sure – please ask. I say this because the other day I got an email from a moron who accused me of being an anti-Semite and when I challenged him three times to quote a single sentence from this 7 year old blog to prove it he could not come up with one example. You have no idea how sick and tired I am of constantly having to deal with idiots who simply cannot understand that I do oppose an ideology and not a race. Or take the expression “AngloZionist Empire” which I use (and find very appropriate). Do you know how many times I got an objection to the use of the word “Anglo”? Once. Do you know how often I got attacked for the second part of the expression “Zionist”? Too many to count by now. Though, think of it: “Anglo” is a cultural/ethnic term. “Zionist” is a purely ideological one. Yet it is this second, non-racial, term which gets me accused of being a racist. How frigging stupid can people be? (Pardon my frustration, but I am sooooo tired of idiots!!!). It is a special torture for me to write one thing, and then have to spend time trying to prove to semi-literate morons that I did not write what they thought I wrote but that what I wrote is actually what I wrote (would seem self-evident, but no, not to some idiots).
Anyway, end of rant here. I get off my soap box, take a deep breath, drink a glass of water, wipe the sweat of my brow and feel a mixture of relief (felt good to yell) and guilt (my God, did I really yell for that long?!).
Remember the one-time comments rule for this section in blue, or you will be offended again. Speaking of offending. I apologize if anything I wrote above offended anybody. No, I don’t care if I ruffled some hyper politically-correct and sensitive feathers. But if I did really offend somebody I apologize. Like you I am just a fallible human being who has a very long record of being wrong.
The other interesting development in the Ukraine is the growing evidence that the junta is grossly under-reporting its losses. For example, there is very good evidence that two armored personnel carriers and even one infantry fighting vehicles were completely destroyed by the resistance. There is no way that the number of casualties could be 7 as announced by the junta. A figure of at least 15-20 would be much more likely. Some sources in the combat area are claiming that the real number of killed junta soldiers is close to one hundred. What is certain is that the military commander of the resistance have now declared that they will engage in offensive combat operations and that all Ukie soldiers – whether conscripts of hired guns – will killed.
At the same time, military coordinator of Lugansk Resistance, Vladimir Karasiuk, declared that Donetsk and Lugansk will not unite because it is indispensable to unify all the regions of the southwest, including Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhie, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa.
This might all be bluster, I have no way of checking, but it sounds to me like the resistance in the Donbass is getting much more confident. Finally, I have seen some combat footage showing what are clearly well-trained and well-equipped Donbass resistance units preparing for an ambush. This was not the typical ragtag force mix of civilians with hunting rifles, young men with pretend semi-uniforms and a few old guys with beer bellies. The footage showed a well camouflaged unit silently progressing though vegetation while keeping in radio contact with their commanders. Also, at least one pro-resistance website mentions radio intercepts of the junta forces radio communications. Nice. It looks to me that the resistance might well be getting better organized and better equipped.
Stay tuned, I will soon have a report about worldwide reactions to the events in the Ukraine.
Ooops – here is a tornado warning here.
Gotta run.
Be back later!
The Saker
What worries me most is, that the propaganda campain against what many people right and left of the Atlantic and further in the east think, believe and want to get from theier governments, elected or not is not stopping a bit. They are not giving in… despite on- and offline protests going on.
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The illegal Junta is still being presented to the media as legal… as if nothing ever happend in the Ukraine, as if not a single person protests against the unbelievable attrocities, lies, horrible crimes, destruction of societies, demo(n)cracy and participation of the people. The majority…
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The latest IMF slavery dictates that the Ukranian hourly minimum wage of about -.45 cents shall not be rised… but energy prices for the typical shareholders and financial markets will be rised in the 2 digits brackets… the plundering that has begun 25 years ago is being finalised and legalised… just as it has been done in all the other ex sovejt republics… plundering criminals !
Yes and a good rant it is and was going to suggest that you take a nice walk around the block after that glass of water but may be the basement is a better bet. Stay Safe
Well, I’ll put things this way: is being suspicious of free-masonry racism?
Are all freemasons bad people? I wouldn’t bet on it.
Do I feel the suspicion is justified? Certainly so.
How, then?
Well, how do you distinguish a good freemason from a bad one? You don’t. Unless they themselves help you. But generally speaking, they don’t. They cover their asses. Even freemasons or ex-freemasons that are willing to criticise freemasonry rarely speak openly about it, about what exactly goes on in there and, most importantly, who does what.
As such, to the outside they appear a coherent homogeneous group that covers each members ass, no matter what.
It happens the same with Jews. When push comes to shove, and they have to choose between tribalism and humanity what’s the most common choice?
In any case, what’s the perception?
Why is it that every time persecutory or retaliatory measures against Jews are taken, one of the very first is identifying them? In 13th century France they were already forced to wear a red and white circle on their clothes. Why?
How can one be racist towards what one doesn’t see?
How many Gilad Atzmons are there in the world?
> I have been trying to hammer into the heads of the pathological Jew-haters <
But funny how those dissociating statements only occur after the rift between the noble lies in spirit of Leo Strauss and the public sentiments is becoming to severe to fix up with blunt MSM propaganda.
Many others see only the hegelian dialectic and projections of antisemitism victimization of oligarchs with jewish identity by their proletarian victims.
@Mujahedin:It happens the same with Jews. When push comes to shove, and they have to choose between tribalism and humanity what’s the most common choice?
The exact same choice as with most non-Jews: they pick what they believe is a middle-ground between tribalism and humanity
How can one be racist towards what one doesn’t see?
One is typically racist towards the “other” which one has been exposed to but does not understand.
How many Gilad Atzmons are there in the world?
About as much as righteous non-Jews. Very few.
The Saker
Saker, Google translates “Бий жидів та москалів” not as “beat the Jews and Russians” but as “DEATH to Jews and Russians.”
Mujahedin said it well. When push comes to shove, they will exhibit a higher level of group solidarity than any other major ethnicity around the world.
How many foreign intelligence agencies can rely so heavily upon the free labor of non-citizens abroad who just happen to be of the same ethnic origin or religion? Mossad has a completely different modus operandi than every other intelligence agency because of Jewish tribal solidarity.
Inter-Jewish debates will always be kept as internal as possible except when they serve as effective public relations.
Put it this way – is Israel going to condemn Ukraine’s Jewish oligarchs publicly? Not going to happen.
It’s for this reason that we have every reason to be reflexively skeptical of Jewish politics.
@Old Ez:Saker, Google translates “Бий жидів та москалів” not as “beat the Jews and Russians” but as “DEATH to Jews and Russians.”
Could be. In Russian “bei” is certainly “beat” but it could be that in Ukrainian “bii” means kill. I don’t know for sure. Any Ukrainian speaker to confirm this please?
Thanks,
The Saker
It does.
@Cahocia:It’s for this reason that we have every reason to be reflexively skeptical of Jewish politics.
And I would suggest that we have every reason to be reflexively skeptical of ALL politics, Jewish included :-)
Well said. I enjoy your rants and agree with this one entirely. Israel is first and foremost interested in the survival and well being of the Ukrainian Jewish community. After all, it is in their “mission statement”. After that, it will play whatever political game everyone else is going to play.
For those predicting doom and disaster out of all this, a few signs of the times:
1. The Economic Bank For Reconstruction and Development has downgraded the previous estimates for economic growth in the Eastern European countries such is the blow back from the careless actions of the US government . ( after all they sparked the last work wide recession in 2008 by their negligence)
2. On the front page of the WSJ is an article–“Nervous Investors Pile into Bonds” Let me quote a telling paragraph:
“The persistently sluggish economies of Europe and the US have confounded central bankers and surprised investors many of whom anticipated that this year would see relatively strong economic growth after years of monetary stimulus.” The return on bonds is zip so they are doing this for security reasons. When they start buying back gold after dumping it at the turn of the year, then you can start your count down to another world recession.
Dearest Saker,
THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. THERE IS A COMMUNITY AMONG THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK (JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SAMBIANS, ….) WHO ARE UPRIGHT. THEY RECITE GOD’S SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, AND THEY PROSTRATE. They believe in God and the Last Day, and enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and compete in doing good. They are among the righteous. You will not be denied the reward for any good thing you do. God knows those who guard against evil. (Quran, Surah Family of Imran (Virgin Mary), Verses 113-115)
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Mohamed: please do not use CAP LOCKS. As for the Dhimmis, how are the Sambians you included?
As for Judaism, it teaches that Jesus-Christ was a magician, son of a prostitute-hairdresser and a Roman solider, that rightly executed by Jews (not Romans) for blasphemy and that He now is in hell where he boils forever in excrements.
So much for “upright” people of the “book”…
Sorry to burst your bubble about Rabbinical Judaism.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Well, this is just a french intel outlet, just in case…
Bloodbath in Odessa guided by interim rulers of Ukraine
http://www.voltairenet.org/article183807.html#nb3
JP Anonymous
It strikes me a sad irony reading your blue-texted rant while to the left of it on the same screen are quotes from the Christian Gospel.
I feel quite badly for you Saker.
@Stephen J:blue-texted rant while to the left of it on the same screen are quotes from the Christian Gospel.
You see a contradiction between the two? If yes, I repent in advance. But please indicate to me where that contradiction is?
Thanks,
The Saker
Loved your rant, Saker.
I have run into the same things as you describe and rant about in my more limited blogging and discussions.
And where I live, many come here to visit the Ann Frank house, and the city is known as Mokum (safe haven and has historically had a sizeable Jewish population. Even here, there is ignorance and misunderstanding about what you speak of. The words Jew and Zionism are both often misunderstood and very, very politically charged.
Glad to see you speak up. :)
I would quote your rant from the top to the bottom. Maybe I’ll do, a sort of Manifesto….
Do you know what makes me feel sick? The fact that it could be enough to cause you serious legal harassment in many European Countries.
It’s so disgusting!
DavidKNZ says:
Saker – here’s a thought.
Your blog is 7 years old and many megabytes in size.
Why don’t you transfer the lot onto a DVD and make it available to interested parties for a nominal cost – say $20US ??
In that way the blog is preserved against those who would silence it – and I am sure there are some – and it generates a small, but hopefully steady stream of income for you.
Likely you already have the equipment required, and if it takes too much of your time, you could delegate it to your kids on a pocket money sharing arrangement ;-)
The reason I am suggesting this is that its YOUR blog, and behind the events of the day and the human frailties of interpretation, there is the light of Truth, and it is this uncommon dedication that attracts people. Mind you, having said that, I’m aware how Obama sold the hope of change and the promise of integrity, only to deliver autocued script from ‘same old same old’
I’d be a starter :-)
What say you??
Poor Saker,
You’ve got two kinds of tornadoes to deal with at the same time! Thinking of you, and hoping you emerge unscathed from both.
@DavidKNZ: Why don’t you transfer the lot onto a DVD and make it available to interested parties for a nominal cost – say $20US ?? In that way the blog is preserved against those who would silence it – and I am sure there are some – and it generates a small, but hopefully steady stream of income for you.
Actually, I would love to do that, even for myself, but all that blogger makes available, is a large XML file. But this file would have to be imported into, say, a DVD-based instance of WordPress or some other software.
@EVERYBODY Can anybody let me know how something like this can be done?
Thanks for any pointers or help!
Cheers,
The Saker
Your rant isn’t what’s confusing; rather, it’s the first translated transcript.
@Nora: I am happy to report that all three tornadoes(one personal and *two* meteorological ones) have passed. I am now bracing for the inevitable shit-storm about to hit me for my latest rant :-(
As my wife says – never a dull moment!
Kind regards,
The Saker
mujahedin مجاهدين
I think Freemasonry is a very good example, but not exactly the way you think. It’s a club; we have a lot of different kinds here, Elks, Moose, Lions, Rotary, etc., and just like the others Freemasons have their silly hats and funny rituals and their own set of good deeds, which tend to be genuinely good. None of those members has a clue what their 1%, inner-circle leadership is about, if indeed it is about anything at all other than keeping secrets they themselves may or may not believe in or even understand. So why tar them? They’re just the same kind of sheep we all are. If a leader does something wrong, go after him for what he did, not what he is. I noticed Israel Shamir commenting here yesterday and he made this point a long time ago: if you object to Jewish exceptionalism (or any other kind, like American Exceptionalism, maybe?), don’t make exceptions! No special treatment, plus or minus, just deal with the behavior. I liked it when Shamir said it and I still think it’s absolutely the right approach: no different treatment at all, not in the law, not in conversation, not anywhere. After all, in the US at least, if a Methodist commits a crime and is found guilty, he’s referred to as a criminal, not a Methodist — and that really ought to be the model for everyone, regardless of religion, ethnicity or anything else.
Serbs weren’t the only ones who fought Nazis in WWII in Yugoslavia:
“Prema Titu, nacionalni sastav NOVJ-a u svibnju 1944. bio je 44% Srba, 30% Hrvata, 10% Slovenaca, 5% Crnogoraca, 2,5% Makedonaca i 2,5% bosanskohercegovačkih Muslimana.”
According to Tito (a Croat), nationality of Yugoslav Partisans in May 1944. was 44% Serb, 30% Croat, 10% Slovene, 5% Montenegran, 2,5% Macedon and 2,5% Bosnian muslim.
It is important to know that there was an on-going civil war paralel to WWII in YU, but remember that several hundred thousands of Croats were on the right side of the history then, too.
According to who ? Croat Tito? Tito? Of course , according to A Croat , of course . Don’t ever forgot that those who won war wrote history books. And Just to remind you about half a million Serbs slathered in Crots Ustasha concentration camp Jasenovac, again according to Croat Tito.
Dear Saker,
@Mohamed: please do not use CAP LOCKS.
Sorry about the Cap Locks. I just copied and pasted it from the net, without realizing the rule about Cap Locks. It was kind of you to go ahead and allow the post. :)
@Mohamed: As for the Dhimmis, how are the Sambians you included?
I included in the bracket (Jew, Christians, Sambians …), to explains to those who didn’t know the meaning of “People of the Book”. However, it should have been “Sabians” and I don’t think they even existed during the times of Prophet Mohammad (saws). Here is Wikipedia take on them, which I don’t think it is correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians
@Mohamed: As for Judaism, it teaches that Jesus-Christ was a magician, son of a prostitute-hairdresser and a Roman solider, that rightly executed by Jews (not Romans) for blasphemy and that He now is in hell where he boils forever in excrements.
One feels sorry for the ignorance of others, who try their utmost to hurt a large population’s beliefs. How can one attain Spirituality without attaining any Mannerism?
It is like Dante in his Inferno. He gets the idea of 7 levels of Hells from the Quran. But he makes 9 levels. He puts Prophet Mohammad (saws) and Imam Ali (as) in the 8th level with some very foul language. Below is the 9th level where Satan resides.
As a Shia, I believe in 7 levels of Hell and 8 levels of Heaven as God being Merciful. A funnel at the bottom and upside funnel at the top. Where the two rims of the funnels meet is the 8th level (1st level) of Heaven, the biggest. So, on Judgement Day, there will be more people in Heaven than in Hell.
And, slowly, slowly the people of the Hell will move upward into the Heaven. Hell will then be destroyed and eventually Heaven will perish too.
I didn’t think that Jews believe in Heaven and Hell. What I know that they only believe in Garden (Heaven) for themselves only and no one else. Everyone else on death, their soul will perish. The Jews on their death their soul will be reunited as soon as possible and then they will be in the Garden. Someone, whose sins are as bad as Hitlers (as an example) then his soul will not be united with his body for a maximum of 6 hours. I don’t believe Hitler was a Jew, nor I want to start this controversy.
@Mohamed: So much for “upright” people of the “book”…
Sorry to burst your bubble about Rabbinical Judaism.
Yes, the Talmudic Jews. I love the American People, but they are very dingy when it comes to God. They will only say, “God Bless USA”. Why not “God Bless Mankind and all His children” We can only pray to God to guide all his children to the right path.
Amen Rabbi,
Mohamed.
Good rant.
“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Regarding your Serbs were the only ones to fight Nazis; if it wasn’t for Greeks the Nazis would have started on Russia a month earlier.
Read up on some WWII history….find out where the first Allied victory happened.
And then read what Churchill did to the partisans of Greece after the war….rather sickening he is hailed as a hero in the West isn’t it.
I agree with the trend of your rant. We are carefully indoctrinated with the idea of “the jews” (bad or good, depending where you stand), “the Christians” “the muslims” (same) when it seems to me that the truth is that the actual categories are: servants of Evil (under different disguises, Jews, Muslims or Christians), confused people, and people trying to behave righthly.
The indoctrination is but a strategy to divide people, and so, control them. Works well.
Salam
Abdnour
Unjust blame for the 100 deaths during maidan protests was given to Berkut. The junta fired them, and the people from west Ukraine cheered. How many Berkut are in east Ukraine carrying a giant grudge against the junta.
This is similar to what happened in Iraq. After the Americans took over the Iraq army was fired. One of worst mistakes made by Washington in Iraq.
Saker,
I’m so glad! And YES! to what your wife said. Sometimes, though, boredom looks pretty good…
Meanwhile Akhmetov’s workers have taken Mariupol.
Seriously Saker, you’re deluded if you think the rebels can win now that Putin has thrown them to the wolves.
re: Rabbinical Judaism
Where oh where did you get this tripe about Rabbinical Judaism dissing the Christian Joshua bin Miriam in such a horrific way? I have known many a rabbi and none of them came up with anything derogatory about Jesus. In fact one Rabbi I knew said that Jesus was a Rabbi in prophetic mode which was part of a long tradition of Jewish teachers (rabbi means teacher) and it was only 100 years or so after his death that other Jews ( early Christians were observant Jews) morphed what started out as a Jewish sect into a new religion….which when it merged with Constantine took off with state power behind it. ????? you need to challenge your beliefs on this with some additional information, seriously ,Saker, if you are interested in truth.
Thanks for the ‘heads up’ on the phone calls and the translation, Saker, Revealing!
And thanks for your rant. I thoroughly agree with what you say. I would like to take advantage of this one-off dispensation to expand on this question of the Jews. I, too, get heartily tired of debating the issue(s). But sometimes it needs to be pursued seriously.
I agree with Mujahedin in his comparison to Freemasonry. The scandal of recent years concerning freemasonry and the legal and police professions in England is testament to what he is saying.
Mujahedin points out through this comparison that Jewry is not unique in its compulsive habit to run together in the face of criticism (or prosecution).
But it is not universal as your comments in reply to Mujahedin imply. Jewry has a special talent for it over the bulk of the rest of the groups that inhabit this earth. They have honed their techniques quite deliberately over centuries.
A few years ago A.Peasant of Twelfth Bough left a couple of astute and telling comments on my blog and are well worth reading. They are entitled “trapped” and “racism”. They address the issue of “Not all Jews … (fill in the blank)”
To demonstrate that the extent of the ability to “run together” is not universal, I point out the situation with Catholics and non-Catholics.
The Catholic Church has arguably caused more harm physically and psychologically to more human beings than any other organization in history (though I believe Zionist bankers are rapidly closing in on that title).
The Catholic Church is immensely powerful yet the charge to bring its criminality to light and to justice is being led by ex-catholics. This is not the case within jewish, zionist of israeli circles. Quite the opposite.
As A.Peasant points out, there is a dearth of vocal ex-jews. There are notable exceptions, of course, such as the heroic Gilad Atzmon. But the point remains.
Catholics who leave the church and its culture no longer refer to themselves as ‘catholic’. Again this is not the case with jews. We have the phenomena of ‘secular jews’. It’s an oxymoron of sorts, of course. Imagine someone trying to get away with calling themselves a ‘secular catholic’?
Many may claim quite rightly that ‘jewishness’ is more than religion; it is a culture (one based on supremacy, I might add). But so is catholicism.
The point of all this is that there is more to the jewish reaction than normal human or tribal behaviour. It’s exaggerated and this exaggerated existence should not be minimized.
Dear Saker,
I agree with the bottom-line of your rant and personally believe that there are no Good and Bad people but Good and Bad deeds and actions.
Jews,like any other people have their share of each.
Having said that, I found your example somewhat confusing:
” I personally have known many Jews who have were active in struggles for what is right without anybody knowing about it. Like my Jewish neighbor who was sending money to Serbs during the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo and even after, and then she was sending letters of support to Milosevic in the Hague not because she wanted to play “both sides” but because her entire family except her mother had been butchered in the Nazi camps and she was grateful for the Serbs for having really fought Hitler (unlike the rest of Europe).”
Do you believe that Milosevic was a Good guy and was doing the right thing? Did she tell you that Milosevic was doing a service to humanity?
On a different note and talking about the Ukraine; Even in the best case scenario of the Donbass getting politically aligned with the Moscow and after attaining self-rule/ accession to Russia, Ukraine would be a partitioned and divided country and would definitely become a member of the EU, if not of NATO, although that remains a possibility. The Empire would have managed to expand its influence to the Russian borders, with minimal collateral damage. Obviously the war isn’t being fought on the American turf.
Not to mention the seeds of hatred and intolerance which would soon bear ugly and deadly fruits.
The prime example of the partition and its effects if that of India and Pakistan.
The policy of Divide and Rule never fails.
Kind regards,
Amr.
DavidKNZ says:
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:-)
Meanwhile Akhmetov’s workers have taken Mariupol.
Why do you think Akhmetov is on the side of Kiev and Lviv?
Akhmetov is on the side of Akhmetov and his money and fortune, which reside in Donbass. Akhmetov taking Mariupol eliminates the need to Strelkov and company to worry about it. Akhmetov is the funding behind Party of Regions and much else. Party of Regions just walked out of parliament in protest of junta governmnt.
@Amr:Do you believe that Milosevic was a Good guy and was doing the right thing? Did she tell you that Milosevic was doing a service to humanity?
Oh God no!! I loathe Milosevic and everything he stood for. He was an ex-commie and ex-banker turned pseudo-nationalist who ended up betraying his own people in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. He also took at deal from the US: give us Kosovo and you get to keep Serbia. This is why, I believe, he was murdered in The Hague: to silence him. This being said, he was no worse than Tudjman, Itzebegovic or Thaci.
No, I was just illustrating the point that my Jewish neighbor went against the vast majority of Jews (and non-Jews, of course) who, at the time, fully bought the AngloZionist propaganda about the demonization of Serbs. I was trying to show that the notion that every good deed that a Jew makes is always a “playing both sides” is racist, factually wrong and morally repugnant. My neighbor, in her naivete, felt that Slobo was a Serbian leader (he was not) and that he deserved support for the suffering of the Serbs. I never had the courage to tell her how naive she was to equate Serbia=Slobo and since she did not harm to anybody, I let her continue to do what she felt was right.
I just wish people understood this basic fact: we are all very much the same, we are all humans, the distinction between Jew and non-Jew is a purely ideological one, not a natural one. To assume that all Jews always act as one monolithic tribe is just crazy. I have met many Jews in my life, some loathsome, some beautiful and generous. I have seem immense amounts of kindness, compassion, friendship and humanity from many Jews and I therefore cannot accept the kind of crude Jew-bashing which all too many of us sink into in reaction to the actions and words of a small amount of truly evil and disgusting Jews.
In other words: don’t hate my neighbor because you hate Wolfowitz. Simple, no?
Cheers,
The Saker
Anonymous 21:55
Not all rabbis know, or go along with, all of the Talmud and yes, some of it is pretty hideous. And, yes, that is absolutely in there, in Hebrew, and an imprecation used, unfortunately, throughout the ages, though by no means by every single Jew. If you are truly interested in the truth, do read Israel Shahak, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”, in which various portions of the Talmud are quoted, by a scholar and Holocaust survivor who had the courage to openly criticize some of the beliefs and customs of his people.
james,
Israel Shahak was a Jew, and he certainly voiced some powerful criticism. Norton Mezvinsky likewise. I don’t think you could call either of them ex-Jews, but their courage, and writings, count for a lot.
I would like to congratulate you on your moderation of late. As a consequence of active moderation the quality of comments has been going upwards from its already generally high level.
This is a phenomena that many are unfamiliar with but your example shows it to be so. Maintaining a sensible and respectful environment encourages sensible and respectful people to contribute. So it is creative and grows and is a compliment to your writing.
And now a small apology – I put a “should” in the last sentence of my last comment and it should not have been there!
Metatron
“you are deluded if you think the rebels can win now that Putin has thrown them to the wolves”
If you wait for your neighbour to come and fight for your freedom you can never be free
If you die fighting for your freedom you die free
If you value your life more than your freedom you can never be free
If you fight, you might.
Vietnamese peasants have defeated the enormous military power of US.
Easr Ukraainian freedom is in their hands now, not in Putins’.
Regards
@Anonymous: Where oh where did you get this tripe about Rabbinical Judaism dissing the Christian Joshua bin Miriam in such a horrific way?
Well that is a no-brainer. Look up a text called “Toledot Yeshu”. I don’t mean the explanation or interpretation and all the other cop-outs about it, just read the original text. You can also read the excellent book “Christianity in the Talmud and Midrash” – R. Travers Herford. Two other seminal books are “Judaism Discovered” by Michael Hoffman and Israel Shahak’s “Jewish History Jewish Religion”. Here are all the links for you:
http://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/toled.htm
https://ia600409.us.archive.org/28/items/christianityinta00herfuoft/christianityinta00herfuoft.pdf
http://downloads.umu.nu/Books/Michael%20A.%20Hoffman%20-%20Judaism%20Discovered%20%282008%29.pdf
http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Israel.Shahak/Jewish.History.Jewish%20Religion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf
Now all you have to do is read it :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
” Anonymous on 15 May, 2014 21:55 said…
you need to challenge your beliefs on this with some additional information, seriously ,Saker, if you are interested in truth.
Salam,
I don’t know if you have heard of double whammy. AstafgurAllah, dishonoring Bibi Mariam (as).
The only time in my life, I was called a anti-Semite.
Imagine a Semite being called a anti-Semite, now that is a double whammy too.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Nora & anonymous: Not all rabbis know, or go along with, all of the Talmud
Absolutely true. First, I am talking about Orthodox Judaism, not Liberal or Reformed. Second, even Orthodox Judaism comes in all sorts of flavors. Still, most Rabbis, if they are honest, will admit that they believe that a) Jews are a race/ethnicity and b) that they are substantially/essentially different from non-Jews. They all believe that Jews have two missions in the world a) to make it better (“heal the world”), bring about the coming of the Messiah (by obeying 613 commandments) and mediating between non-Jews and Jews. Furthermore, according to the Kabalah, only Jews have been created in the image and resemblance of God whereas non-Jews are created form the earth. As a matter of fact, according to the Talmudic interpretation, all the commandments of the Old Testament are only applicable to Jews (such as Thou shalt not kill) and not to the “nations” (gentiles) whose status is somewhere in between that of a human (i.e. Jew) and a beast.
Rabbis are very unwilling to discuss this with non-Jews, for obvious reasons. The best way to find out the truth is to do what I did many years ago. First, make sure to read up on enough books and texts to have a halfway decent knowledge of the vocabulary and idea. Then, sign up online to a Orthodox Jewish discussion group and present yourself as a fairly secular Jew trying to understand what Judaism really teaches. You will be absolutely amazed at what you hear. You will first think its a joke. But it’s not.
Once of the main posters on such a group explained to me that name “Jesus” is actually a derivation of the name of the Greek god Zeus and that Christians were actually pagans and, as he called us, “Zeusies”. Nevermind that Yeshua and Ζεύς don’t even remotely share a common origin. Just try the experiment and you will be awed.
Or ask any secular Jewish friend of yours. My wife had a friend who told her that she was taught by her rabbi that if her and my wife were both in a desert, she should keep any water for herself because Jewish life is more precious than the life of a gentile female. Crazy shit, but all secular Jew who went to religious instruction as kids will confirm that to you.
There is no secret, it’s all out there. Just go and research it for yourself.
Kind regards,
The Saker
To Nora: Just back and your comment re: Freemasonry is the first thing I read from this blog.
Good point! Did you know that there was once a anti-Masonic political party in the US? Thadeus Stevens was a prominant member and it was, in fact, the anti-Masonic governor of Pennsylvania who pushed through a bill establishing public schools (2nd in the US) and a program of public works. These were paid for by Nicholous Biddle, founder of the first bank of the United States under pressure from Stevens. “When you are in hell” said Biddle resignedly when he paid up “you must deal with devil.” The party was not long lived. Stevens (of course) went to the Republicans as the majority of its devotees eventually may have as well.
Even to this day, not only the Larouchies but quite a few other people regard the Masons with deep suspicion.
Well,you likely know a lot more about this than I but it gives me an opening to ask your patience respecting a respnse to your earlier question.
Did you see the video (the proud father was videoing the child) of the dog attacking a little boy on his tricycle and starting to drag him off by the leg only to be attacked and routed by the family cat? Maybe I need a cat. I wanted to sleep in this morning but the dog didn’t. A butler must know his place but, even so, pawing my head seemed a bit extreme.
Best from Wyoming. Tom
Saker, I couldn’t agree more with everything you just wrote. Glad you’ve kept ethnic slurs to a minimum with your moderation. Would have destroyed your blog if unchecked.
Couple of personal observations: First, my son was recently personally denied tenure by the president (one of the chosen) at a small, rather prestigious college, in spite of several publications in important journals, the recommendation of his deans up the line, and the overwhelming vote of the faculty. One of the dissenters, a gadfly at faculty meetings (likely another chosen), lobbied the president against him. My son quoted the president telling him: “Even though your grandmother was a blond-haired blue-eyed Scandinavian from Minnesota, that doesn’t automatically entitle you to tenure here.” My son, a rather modest person, was too take aback to fight. As he remarked later: his grandmother, still alive then, was a dark-haired brown-eyed Czech, not Scandinavian at all. Personally, I’d have sued for hate speech, but he was too discouraged to try.
Second, although a Papist in your terminology, Saker, when the 1983 Code of Canon Law dropped the prohibition of freemasonry, I joined. A close friend and his father, a second father growing up, both belonged. I rose to be Worshipful Master of my lodge, and participated several years in the Grand Lodge of my state (no higher level), so knew masonry well from the inside. Finally left when our Grand Lodge was infiltrated with men I preferred not to associate with (ones without lady friends), one of whom eventually became Grand Master, later died of aids. I also learned, from a masonic publication, that the Vatican still banned freemasonry, though no longer explicitly in canon law. In all that time, however, I never saw or heard anything remotely political, just a fraternal organization of men that liked memorizing and performing ritual, and enjoyed one another’s company. Maybe it’s different outside the U.S. .
@Mikhail II:although a Papist in your terminology
Not any more. After a lot of thought and soul searching I was convinced by a Muslim friend that the best descriptor would be “Latin Christian”. This is what I have used since, though my use of Papist had never been intended as a slur.
As for Masonry, I came to the following personal conclusion: in the past, in the 18th-19th century this used to be truly a secret society with immensely strong political power. While this is still true today in some countries (like France where the Grand Orient is still immensely powerful), most of the western world has become what a Russian author calls “para-masonic”, in the sense that there is no point in having Lodges involved in a political process which is already 100% permeated by Masonic ideas and values. Everywhere you look nowadays you see the symbols and roots of Masonic ideals. Our entire society is Masonic, so there is no point at all in using Lodges as anything more than a cooptation mechanism. The real power is not in the Lodges any more, it’s in the trans-national banking system and the families which control it. Just like the local Latin Christian parish is irrelevant compared to the Curia, so the local Lodge is irrelevant compared to the real centers of power today.
As for the combination of Latin Christianity and Masonry – it is absolutely normal and flows from history. Just look at how the Papacy (I am talking about the institution now) has been immersed in gnostic and kabbalistic studies in its past.
Had you been Orthodox you would have been immediately banned from approaching the Mysteries (aka “Sacraments”) for joining the Craft (at least in a truly Orthodox Church, not its modern “official” equivalent).
As far as I know the Vatican not only did not re-ban Masonry, but there are still plenty of Masons, especially in the Curia. Can’t vouch for this though.
Kind regards and many thanks for your interesting comment,
The Saker
Saker,
Ok, now I am duly horrified. I thought it was just a nutcake contingent that still felt that way. Dear heavens. What hideous brainwashing. And how pathetic to have to go through life like that. I haven’t the stomach to really look into it, but I’d imagine there are more (old-fashioned) liberal or more secularized people who have evolved past that. Maybe they’re just not on online forums? Haters do seem to try harder to spread their hate than good people do to counter them.
Okay, here I go with another question. Every time I try to learn about Freemasonry — not the stuff the ordinary Masons do but the historical, conspiratorial stuff, what I find just veers off into… I don’t even know what to call it but WAY out there conspiracy theory.
What’s the real deal on French Masonry, Napoleon, Washington if that’s relevant, the Papacy, etc. Their beliefs just seem looney, those carvings in Scotland are impressive, but what did they actually do?
Ok. will check out the original text from Toledot Jeshu. FYI There are two Talmuds and super Orthodox rabbis are like fanatics in any religions–they won’t talk or study with women so you may very well be correct. These orthodox guys make up the fascist goon squads of the West Bank. Also, a correction and you can check this on Wikipedia ( not the greatest source) but non Jews are required to abide by 6-7 Noahide Laws–no murder, no idolatry, no theft, no sexual immorality, no blasphemy, no eating flesh ( ugh) from live animals. Every tribe thinks it is the center of the universe—such is the nature of tribalism.
@Anonymous:but non Jews are required to abide by 6-7 Noahide Laws–no murder, no idolatry, no theft, no sexual immorality, no blasphemy, no eating flesh ( ugh) from live animals
Yes. The 613 commandments are for Jews only. By the way, the Rabbinical interpretation of the Nohaide Law of “no idolatry” means “abandon Christianity” as Judaism views Christianity as the worst form of idolatry as it is based on the notion of a God-man, something which Rabbinical Judaism vehemently condemns as a grievous blasphemy, the one in fact for which Christ was crucified and is now supposedly in hell forever boiling in excrements. So-called “Christians” who think that they are also abiding by Nohaide Laws are the pinnacle of naivety…
Cheers!
The Saker
Let me start by saying that i am a big admirer of both you and Gilad and i agree with Shlomo that Jews are not a Race . but you contradict yourself in your rant ? “As Gilad Atzmon correctly points out – Jews are racist, but they are not a race” and then you go on to say they are ? “You have no idea how sick and tired I am of constantly having to deal with idiots who simply cannot understand that I do oppose an ideology and not a race” i guess you meant a ” Tribe “
“As for the combination of Latin Christianity and Masonry – it is absolutely normal and flows from history.”
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/godfather/index.html
Look at the P2 Lodge scandal, which even found its way into the plot of the Godfather Part III (an underrated film that has aged much better than the critics who hated it at the time, and that had no chance of matching the first two Godfather films for impact).
“Just look at how the Papacy (I am talking about the institution now) has been immersed in gnostic and kabbalistic studies in its past.”
There is something indeed OFF about this Pope Francis, and I say this as an Orthodox Christian rather than Latin Christian. Maybe it’s because he’s a Jesuit. Perhaps the conservatives charge that Francis is steeped in Latin American pseudo-Marxist Liberation Theology are true. At any rate, the one observation I can make on this subject is that it’s not an accident Orthodox (with the exception maybe of Michael Dukakis) have often been outsiders looking in on the nominally WASP (now dying out)/Catholic/Jewish
clubs that combine to form our nation’s Ruling Class. It’s no coincidence for example that Rep. Justin Amash is Orthodox — I once heard a joke that the Orthodox were more likely to be libertarian and one Antiochian parishioner said his parking lot was full of Ron Paul bumper stickers. Perhaps that was simply due to Ron (but not Rand) being the first prominent US politician to have pushed for a neutral U.S. position vis a vis Israel-Palestine in decades.
“Had you been Orthodox you would have been immediately banned from approaching the Mysteries (aka “Sacraments”) for joining the Craft (at least in a truly Orthodox Church, not its modern “official” equivalent).”
There was a rumor in Moscow, told me to me by a non-Orthodox secular Russian, that former Mayor Yury Lushkov despite his great service to the Russian Orthodox Church and the city of Sevastapol that somewhat paved the way for Crimea’s reunification with Russia was a high degreed Mason. No way to confirm this so I will leave it in the realm of rumor lest I libel a fellow Orthodox believer. At any rate Luzhkov’s dismissal seems to have far more to do with his advancing age and wife’s fingers in every construction pie across Russia and massive offshore wealth in Austria than any desire on Putin’s part to kick out men of the Lodge from high offices in Russia.
American Kulak
I concur with the other commenters above. Obsession with the J and Z words/issues would simply destroy this blog and undermine any credibility with those still new to the subjects of Empire and Russia/Ukraine. And it is Ukraine that has clearly sent Saker’s readership surging, more so than Syria as confused people worldwide search for answers as to how ‘neocons for neo-Nazis’ and such desperate U.S. provocations against Russia came to pass.
I don’t think Zionism is nearly important to the globalist power brokers as it used to be. Israel has become a kind of garrison state/Gurkha recruitment and training ground for them and there seem to be some powerful individuals like Avigdor Lieberman who’ve grown tired of Israel’s role in the Empire and believe at the very least the Jewish State should search for new potential partners if not marry them to prepare for petrodollar Judgement Day.
That’s how one person I used to know very well explained it to me one time after the Russo-Georgian war. He said the Anglo-American empire uses the Israelis as its ‘gurkhas’ — no offense meant to the Muslim soldiers of the British Empire who sometimes fought honorably under that name. S
Saker knows the Israelis began to pull back their support for Misha the Tie Eater even prior to the assault on Tskinval, knowing Misha’s chances for military success against the Russian army were slim and none. Afterwards Israel-Russia relations improved notably with rumored Israeli UAV sales to the Russian army. I suspect some of the technology the DoD leaks to the Daily Beast disclosed that Russian ratniki ‘warrior kits’ were equipped with including the encrypted radio comms used in Crimea may have come from Israel with the Germans taking the blame.
American Kulak
@Anonymous: i guess you meant a ” Tribe “
No. *They* call it a race. By “they” I mean BOTH racist Jew haters and Jews who believe that they are a race. I used their terminology because obviously I *DO* very much oppose Jewish tribalism (and any other tribalism for that matter). Am I making sense?
Thanks,
The Saker
Pardon P2 was not a ‘scandal’ it was a conspiracy, a real life conspiracy not a theory, intimately connected with the CIA and partner Italian intelligence agency’s efforts to enlist the Catholic Church in the anti-Communist cause, which led to blowback when the role of prominent clergymen inside the Vatican and corruption of the Vatican Bank was exposed (as G Part 3 accurately depicts while changing the names, including the hanging scene reminiscent of Roberto Calvi hanging from the Friar’s Bridge in London).
Highly recommend this documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZbIL9ES0I
God’s banker: the murder of Roberto Calvi — highly relevant in light of the wave of banker/trading system suicides sweeping the financial world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBIBEMuRQU
interview with Gerald Celente on Black Friday 1929 suicides compared to suicide wave/sense of pending doom in financial markets this summer of 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFewRC3oUX4
History Channel: conspiracy to mix Pope John Paul I’s medications so he appeared to die of natural causes? No autopsy on the Pontiff
American Kulak
@ Saker,
Steve Hughes – What’s wrong with being offended?
Chicago Tactics
You speak your mind and do so in an honest way. If people fail to see that, they need to get ‘glasses.’
I sincerely hope one day people will understand that disagreement equals progress, not hate.
@American Kulak:There was a rumor in Moscow, told me to me by a non-Orthodox secular Russian, that former Mayor Yury Lushkov despite his great service to the Russian Orthodox Church and the city of Sevastapol that somewhat paved the way for Crimea’s reunification with Russia was a high degreed Mason.
You are equating the Moscow Patriarchate with Orthodoxy, something which I do not. I don’t know if Luzhkov was a Mason, but he sure was a Mafia Don and a thug. Just as the current “Patriarch” Kirill who is also probably a cardinale in pectore (a secret Cardinal) as was his mentor, Nikodim Rotov. As for the Moscow Patriarchate, I do not recognize it as the true Russian Orthodox Church which, in my opinion, is the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile under Metropolitan Agafangel. The MP has its roots in the Renovationist group which then was promoted by the ChK-GPU to replace the true Orthodox clergy which was killed by the millions. And just to make myself clear – I am not in any way doubting the faith, piety or sincerity of the millions of Russians who know little if anything about the history of the Russian Orthodox Church between 1917-1945, I am only saying that there is no evil or lie which I would put past the Moscow Patriarchate and its own “Curia”.
The Saker
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Yours is one of the few places where I have seen a good dialogue and respectful, intelligent comments. Maybe I don’t get around the blogosphere enough, but so be it. It seems amazing how strong propaganda is. It has taken many decades of adulthood to finally realize that we in the USA have been lied to forever about Israel. Well, about a lot of other countries too, but Israel is an egregious case because they clearly stole a whole country from its inhabitants and tossed them into the trash.
Masons, in every lodge is a picture of George Washington with a trowel and apron. They are supposed to be an enlightenment group, and their opponents besides Catholics were the royalists. What was once radical is now mainstream. The Masons are proof the USA is not a Christian nation.
I don’t know about these deep dark secrets. But honestly, the Catholics can’t be the only group with sexual crimes deeply embedded in its structures. And hasn’t this been going on since time immemorial in all kinds of cults? What is a religion but a state recognized mass market cult?
@ Saker,
Q: “I just wish people understood this basic fact: we are all very much the same, we are all humans, the distinction between Jew and non-Jew is a purely ideological one, not a natural one. To assume that all Jews always act as one monolithic tribe is just crazy. I have met many Jews in my life, some loathsome, some beautiful and generous. I have seem immense amounts of kindness, compassion, friendship and humanity from many Jews and I therefore cannot accept the kind of crude Jew-bashing which all too many of us sink into in reaction to the actions and words of a small amount of truly evil and disgusting Jews.”
R: This sounds like a heretic preaching about the love of God. Something’s off…
I attended a party [over 2 decades ago] in NY. A lot was going on behind my back, but I was too busy trying to impress a stunning princess [and failed miserably]. Someone asked a NYT editor, “What you’re gonna do about the Palestinian problem?”
His answer, “We make it a goy problem!”
And everyone roared.
Be open minded, but also be aware of the intrinsic fabric of that what ‘you’ [as an ‘outsider] can’t see, where as others do see it from the inside.
@Anonymous:This sounds like a heretic preaching about the love of God. Something’s off.
Not at all. Heretics were Christians who rejected one specific part of the Christian belief system, but who otherwise were still very religious and who most definitely considered themselves as “true Christians”. A heretic is somebody who has made a “choice” to be a separate party. He can still very much preach the love of God. Most of them still do :-)
Be open minded, but also be aware of the intrinsic fabric of that what ‘you’ [as an ‘outsider] can’t see, where as others do see it from the inside.
Very true. Now do I understand correctly that you are an “insider” and, if so, may I use this opportunity to ask you what I am missing?
Thanks and kind regards,
The Saker
“The MP has its roots in the Renovationist group which then was promoted by the ChK-GPU to replace the true Orthodox clergy which was killed by the millions.”
I understand why you and many others make this point, and persist in maintaining a visible Russian Orthodox Church body distinct from the Moscow Patriarchate which was indeed forced into compromises with the Soviet authorities after nearly being destroyed under the Bolshevik yoke. Patriarch Alexis and Kirrill likely were forced as young clergymen into cooperation with KGB. But the KGB really did go from being an anti-religious organization to, by the late 1980s when Putin began to rise through the ranks, beginning to see along with the military (like the late Gen. Lebed) at least a pragmatic use for a revived Orthodoxy to replace Communism as the central ideology in Russian life. Of course true Orthodoxy cannot be the servant of the State, for Christ cannot be Caesar or the Tsar. But I’m just pointing out that the KGB Alexis publically repented of cooperating with was not the OGPU of the Stalin era.
As one ROCOR priest told me after the ROCOR entered into canonical unity with the MosPat, ‘all have something to repent for’ meaning the ROCOR for perhaps not extending enough merciful sentiment to MosPat Orthodox living under the Soviet yoke, perhaps acting like the older brother in the tale of the prodigal son.
AK
@I have known many a rabbi and none of them came up with anything derogatory about Jesus.
Could the reason for this silence be:
“due to the fact that in the seventeenth century, Jewish rabbis took steps to expunge all references to Jesus? This act was motivated primarily by the Church’s persecution of the Jews…
Morris Goldstein, former Professor of Old and New Testament Literature at the Pacific School of Religion, relates:
“Thus, in 1631 the Jewish Assembly of Elders in Poland declared: ‘We enjoin you under the threat of the great ban to publish in no new edition of the Mishnah or the Gemara anything that refers to Jesus of Nazareth… If you will not diligently heed this letter, but run counter thereto and continue to publish our books in the same manner as heretofore, you might bring over us and yourselves still greater sufferings than in previous times.’
At first, deleted portions of words in printed Talmuds were indicated by small circles or blank spaces but, in time, these too were forbidden by the censors.
As a result of the twofold censorship the usual volumes of Rabbinic literature contain only a distorted remnant of supposed allusions to Jesus …”
“Thankfully, copies of the uncensored pre-1631 texts can be found in Oxford University and several other European libraries. Thus the statements about Jesus were never actually ‘lost.’ They were published separately in numerous editions and studied by Jewish scholars in private. No one denies these facts any more… While the Soncino edition of the Babylonian Talmud is a censored text, the editors usually give the uncensored original readings in a footnote. We have put the statements about Jesus back into the text where they originally belonged and have indicated this by [ ].”
From ‘Jesus in the Mishnah and Talmud’, by Dr. Robert A. Morey
California Institute of Apologetics
Part 2 of comment
I just would advise our host ‘Russian Orthodoxy and ALL OF MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE = KGB Church” is the canard of the most obnoxious Russophobes, as well as the ‘Final Phase Theorists’ like J.R. Nyquist who insist Russia faked the collapse of the Soviet Union to make the West ‘let its guard down’.
In my opinion cultural Marxism (aka godlessness) and oligarchy are destroying the West far better than Communism/Stalinism/Leninism or ‘radical Islamism’ ever could have hoped for. Old Cold Warrior fools like Nyquist obsessed with nuclear throw weights deliberately mislead people away from the cultural and economic collapse that appears to be the fate of the ‘West’.
Partly out of envy perhaps for individuals like Alex Jones who have created a small multimedia empire and managed to make money off their beliefs independently, while folks like Nyquist or Kincaid are content to catch the crumbs off the banksters tables via various MIC/’RINO’ GOP Establishment foundations. Thus people like Nyquist and Kincaid can with a straight face insist Barack Obama is a secret communist and all the rumors about his CIA grandparents and mother spread by conservatives like Angelo Codevilla are Commie misinformation. Yet somehow this Commie Manchurian candidate in the White House can’t get the super patriots at NSA to do his bidding and spy on individual Americans merely for opposing him, because NSA is too patriotic to tap the likes of Larry Klayman or Doug Hagmann (two opponents of this White House, one legal the other an evangelical Christian talk radio host).
It must take a great deal of chutzpah or heavy self-medication with drugs or alcohol to deal with such cognitive dissonance or to spread such lies with a straight face.
Nonetheless, Alexandr Dugin says he’s an Old Believer, whose views while not accepted theologically are accepted by many mainline Orthodox. Of course, his book bears the occult symbol of the Phoenix, and is being promoted by an occultist press in Sweden that also publishes books by Madame Elena Blavatsky, the Russian occultist the inner circle Nazis dabbled in.
Which makes the task of TeamNSA/CIA propagandists like Nyquist or Cliff Kincaid easier when it comes to dismissing Dugin as not a Believer but some sort of great Russian Imperialist cultist.
Final point: God knows those who are true Orthodox and those who are not…see the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares. As for those outside the Visible body of Christ on this Earth which I believe to be the Holy Orthodox Church (of all autocephelous churches) God knows those who are His in those bodies too.
AK
Last comment on this thread for me: looks like some panic on the part of Kiev junta and their Western backers regarding the Bild am Sontag/Der Spiegel reporting about the 400 Blackwater/Greystone mercs around Slovyiansk:
http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/rumors-of-american-mercenaries-in-ukraine-spread-to-germany-1.283154
Note that the McClatchy story made it into Stars and Stripes. Makes me think if the mercs are on the ground they may be withdrawn to safer points in Ukraine where they are less visible now that more death squad units like Dnieper are up and running.
AK
Tom Garrett
Welcome back and yes, I did see that video. That cat was something else! The force with which she hit that dog, and just in the right place to knock it off balance — wow! We had one like that once, sweet as sugar, gorgeous and very vain, front-declawed and still went up and down trees with ease (still can’t figure out how). Not very large either but she’d slap truly aggressive dogs in the face if they got fresh with her (she was just so savvy she knew not to run away and potentially-aggressive dogs just couldn’t figure out what to do). So this one time some friends were showing off their new chocolate lab and she just sauntered over, the dog started to chase her — and she chased it instead, all the way down the block, thoroughly embarrassing its new owners…
Looking forward to your response. Oh, and don’t consider getting a cat if you value sleeping in… ;~)
The New Cold War’s Ukraine Gambit
By Michael Hudson
May 14 2014 “ICH” – Finance in today’s world has become war by non-military means. Its object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute. In today’s world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices. It is what today’s New Cold War is all about. Backed by the IMF and European Central Bank (ECB) as knee-breakers in what has become in effect a financial extension of NATO, the aim is for U.S. and allied investors to appropriate the plums that kleptocrats have taken from the public domain of Russia, Ukraine and other post-Soviet economies in these countries, as well as whatever assets remain.
more
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38495.htm
@AK:As one ROCOR priest told me after the ROCOR entered into canonical unity with the MosPat, ‘all have something to repent for’ meaning the ROCOR for perhaps not extending enough merciful sentiment to MosPat Orthodox living under the Soviet yoke, perhaps acting like the older brother in the tale of the prodigal son.
Two problems here: first, as INDIVIDUALS all have something to repent for, but ecclesiastical entities are not individuals. The point is not the personal sins of Met. Sergius, the point is that he and his followers cut themselves off the Church as the Body of Christ. Furthermore, unlike the prodigal son who came back to his father the MP never came back to the true Russian Orthodox Church (either abroad or in the Catacombs) and said “father forgive me because I have sinned before the Heavens and before you” (probably not how the English text goes). They have condemned some of the actions of the past and then SELF-ABSOLVED THEMSELVES. No Christian can self-absolve himself but they did. As for the part of the ROCOR which joined the MP, it is no different than the Patriarchs who accepted Monothelitism – they united themselves to the Lapsed (to use Saint Cyprian’s excellent terminology) and they thereby lapsed themselves. Please remember that the Church can (externally appear) remain in ONE person, like it appeared during the life of Saint Maximos the Confessor so their numbers mean nothing in Christian terms.
There can be no question whatsoever that in Patristic terms the followers of Met. Sergius were “lapsed” and that the only question is the modalities by which the lapsed can be *received back* into the Church and by the Church. One cannot simply decide to self re-join the Church. You can declare that you have, but that changes nothing. So as long as the MP and those in union with it remain in the lapsed status it makes no difference at all what they say, preach or do.
One more thing: in Russia the very slick propagandists of the MP said “the ROCOR wants us to repent before them even though they collaborated with Hitler while we faced the persecutions here”. Nonsense. The MP could forget about the ROCOR. *Any* true Orthodox Church can receive it back into the Church, that need not be the ROCOR if that is too humiliating for somebody.
As for Dugin. Being an Old-Believer AND a national-Bolshevik. Does that not strike you as the hight of insanity?!
Kind regards,
The Saker
You wrote ” Rabbinical Judaism is, in my sincerely held conclusion, Satanic at its core and at least as evil as Wahabi Islam.” Just a note there have been such core evils in Christian sects as well. While it may seem that much of that is in the past (Inquisition, Salem witch trials etc etc etc) the infiltration of the US military by right wing Christians is a dangerous development. Jerry Boykin comes to mind http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22336-genghis-christ-general-boykin-and-the-fundamentalist-christian-holy-war
@KC: Just a note there have been such core evils in Christian sects as well.
Absolutely true.
A Russian commented in a Swedish newspaper where they were looking for somebody who had beaten an old lady, and basically said that he was sure that the offender was Russian, and that he was sorry for it.
People who do this, is people you can live with, as grown ups know that there a bad apples in all groups.
Jews and a lot of other ethnicities do not do this, but rather try to help the offender escape the crime. When a people behaves this way, I see nothing wrong in discriminating against them on a collective basis, and refuse to let them live among us.
My cousin is married to an Italian, and he is paranoid about paying all his taxes, because he don’t want to play into the stereotype of the tax-dodging Italian.
Who knows, with a few more Italians of his type, the stereotype might even disappear? (It won’t though, as the reason is mainly a hopeless tax system. )
@ Saker,
No idea why my comment showed up as being ‘Anonymous.’
Sorry for that.
I’ve been bending over backward to defend Israel until something snapped [it started over 30 years ago, but took a long time to fully bloom]. From that moment on, I began to realize how polarized the 2% actually is [was/has become], because in 99% of the cases I couldn’t discuss anything related to the I/P problem [of course, there were/are exceptions, but the general gist is ”Don’t talk about it.’]. Fortunately, and I have to give a big thumbs up to Mondoweiss for all their hard work, that’s gradually changing. Whatever the reason, the idea that ‘we’ have to stick together is almost fully automated.
disclaimer: this is my personal opinion [and interpretation] and does not reflect that of anyone else nor do I pretend to be right in my assessment.
Saker, could you recommend any books on the aspect of the Russian Orthodox Church that you are speaking of here?
@Saker
But I DO NOT want to “cross the line” and do exactly what I accuse many Jews of doing: turn racist myself and deny our common humanity. I assure you that my position is a difficult one as I get labeled both an anti-Semite and a Jew-lover.
This is why I respect you Saker. I found your blog around the time Dieudonne came into the news and I’ve been visiting ever since. I have watched you try to walk this path (the narrowest of all) and you’ve done admirably from my point of view.
Of course it’s unfortunate that you have to expend so much energy explaining this but each time you do you are hopefully causing important connections to form in the minds of your readers. Those who resist this eventually go away and this also increases the quality of your commentors over time.
btw – I often need to take a few days break from this blog myself. The intensity is sometimes overwhelming and I’m just reading it. Hope your feeling better.
Oh good Lord. I am so weary of discussing jews. I don’t care about jews or judaism. The next time someone calls me a Judeo-Christian I’m gonna scream. Christ was the antidote to tribalism. He PROVED judaism obsolete. It’s done. Over. Finito. If someone wants to continue to believe in it — after it was DISPROVEN — I don’t care. No skin off my nose.
Frankly — the only thing jews like better than talking about themselves — is when YOU talk about them. Enough already. I’d much rather talk and learn and discuss Orthodox Christianity. Something I could honestly learn from.
And thanks for posting that non-surprising-but-eye-opening-anyway conversation. It confirms my prior beliefs about Oligarchs. BTW– if I were a Rothschilde, I wouldn’t want my DNA profile linked with those rather unsavory characters. Eeekkkk.
And NO surprise Israel siphons off US billions, spills America’s blood to fight their shitty wars — and then stabs us in the back with Russia. Way to go Bibi. The one guy you don’t want anywhere near your foxhole. Don’t know which I dispise more — Israel or DOS-CIA-NSA-USCong. One manipulates and deceives and the other sells out their countrymen. It’s a toss-up.
AGS