I will begin this SITREP by re-posting the video of the interview made by Ukrainian TV by phone with a solider of the Ukie forces in the so-called “southern cauldron”. Please make sure to press on the ‘cc’ button to get the English subtitles:
Speaking of videos, the I wanted to point out that the video I posted yesterday of what appeared to be Grad systems firing a Ukie forces from inside Russia included the voice of the person filming it who was saying “this is how much fun it is in the city of Gukovo – the Grads are firing” so unless this is all a fancy setup, it appears that it was shot from inside Russia.
This morning Russian TV has shown footage of wounded Ukie soldiers who sought refuge in Russia and who were dispatched to various regional hospitals. So even though the western corporate media and politicians and, of course, the junta in Kiev are remaining completely silent about all this, there is overwhelming evidence that the Ukie forces in the southern cauldron were completely routed resulting in a collapse of the Ukie battle plan.
Poroshenko’s surprise
Do you remember how Poroshenko promised that if the Resistance did not surrender at the end of his truce he would go to ‘plan B’ which would be a big “surprise” for the Resistance? Well, what exactly his surprise plan was supposed to be is now obvious: the Ukies used the week of the so-called ‘truce’ to concentrate practically the entire Ukrainian military along the perimeter of the Resistance frontlines. Then, the Ukies attacked with an overwhelming superiority in numbers in Luganks and Donetsk. The plan was clearly to draw as many Resistance forces away from the southern part of the combat area and to then swiftly move Ukie forces towards the east and northeast along the Russian border to basically surround the Resistance forces and cut them off from their resupply lines from Russia. How in the world the Ukies seriously believed that the Russian GRU would ever fall for that is, frankly, beyond me. I have no facts to back the following assertion up, but having a pretty good idea of how the GRU works, I am absolutely certain that a) the GRU has agents on all levels of the Ukie hierarchy b) that the GRU has recon units everywhere in the combat zone c) that the 6th GRU directorate intercepts every single electronic communication in the eastern Ukraine d) that Russia is using its airborne and space assets to monitor every inch of Banderastan and finally e) that Strelkov and Borodai are working 24/7 with GRU liaison groups. What I saying is that it was pure folly to expect that the planned envelopment movement right along the Russian border would ever take the Resistance forces by surprise. And, of course, it didn’t.
Putin’s “surge”
During the past two weeks or so there were more and more signs that the Resistance forces were suddenly ‘finding’ more and more military equipment, more and more volunteers were coming across the border and that even some very heavy equipment began to literally pop-up ‘here and there’. Of course, the Resistance declared that all these were trophies taken from the Ukies, but never gave any specifics. One more thing also “surged” from Russia: money. In fact, so much money appeared “out of nowhere” that Strelkov and Borodai could announce that they were pay pretty good salaries to those who would join the Resistance forces. The effect was apparently sufficient to delay, and possibly even cancel, the idea of declaring a full mobilization and conscription. It is likely that while the junta and its western allies did have a general sense that these accursed Russkies were up to no good, they probably did not realize the magnitude of this change the main consequence of which was the Strelkov apparently had enough men and resources to repel and attack in both Lugansk and Donetsk while at the same time trapping and destroying the “surprise” force the Ukies sent to envelop the Resistance.
Strelkov’s own surge
But this is not the full story yet. Something else of immense importance happened during the past couple of weeks. There is more and more evidence that a certain number of key people in the Donetsk-Lugansk area were conducting very discrete negotiations with the junta in Kiev to strike some kind of deal. The two figures most cited in this context are the oligarch Rinat Akhmetov (who more or less owned all of Donetsk) and the Mayor of Donetsk Alexander Lukianenko. A third figure possibly implicated to some degree in these behind the scenes negotiations was the chief of Novorussian Security Service and commander of the famous Vostok Battalion Alexander Khodakovsky, though his role, assuming there was one, was either minor or non-committal, as we soon shall see. Finally, there is some pretty good evidence that a toxic mix of Russian oligarchs and Kremlin insiders (those I call the “Atlantic integrationists”) were also in the loop. What their final plan really was we will probably never know (after all, they were busy negotiating it), but some kind of semi-surrender of the Donbass was clearly its key feature. So we could roughly identify two camps on the Russian side:
a) Russian oligarchs, some Kremlin “Atlantic Integrationists”, the Mayor of Donetsk, Khodakovsky and a few Russian intellectuals such as Kurginian.
b) Russian security services, the Kremlin “Eurasian Sovereignists”, Borodai and Strelkov plus a few Russian intellectuals such as Glaziev.
All the plans of the first group completely collapsed when Strelkov, in a surprise move for everybody, suddenly withdrew from Slaviansk and appeared in Donetsk with a large contingent of heavily armed fighters. The Mayor Lukianenko feld to Kiev, Kurginian was given a most hostile “reception” and was almost arrested, as for Khodakovsky, he lost his position of Chief of Security but retained his position as commander of the Vostok battalion. As for the oligarchs in Moscow, they could only watch in abject disgust how Strelkov, Borodai and Antiufeev (respectively in charge of military, political and state security affairs) – all men with strong connection to the Russian secret services – were giving a joint press conference in Donetsk. Clearly, the Russian secret services and Putin’s “Eurasian Sovereignists” have won again: the plans for a surrender were scrapped and those in favor of such plans either replaced or demoted. All the Novorussian forces were brought under a single command (Strelkov) which restored the sacro-saint principle of Russian warfare “единоначалие” or “unity of command”. By the time Poroshenko sprung his “surprise” Strelkov and Putin were fine ready.
The Ukie collapse
I am still unsure about many details, but at this point in time, the tally seems to be as follows: the forces sent to the southern cauldron have been practically wiped out, possibly with some artillery support from across the Russian border. A column of Ukie forces made it to the Lugansk airport, but with huge losses and with no further plan other than to resist as long as possible. For all practical purpose, this force is “out” in an operational sense (even though its mere presence remains a threat to the Resistance which will have to allocate enough forces to contain it). I am most unclear about what exactly happened to the Ukie force which attacked Donetsk. My understanding is that it fought itself into a stalemate against the Resistance and withdrew to regroup and reorganize. So with the exception of the forces sent to the “southern cauldron” the Ukies did okay tactically, but on an operational level the Poroshenko surprise resulted in a complete failure.
The predictable reaction in Kiev and Washington
Though neither Kiev or Washington have admitted their latest defeat, in fact they did not even mention it by a single word, both capitals reacted by doing what they do best: the junta lashed out at the civilian population and engaged in a vicious and systematic artillery strikes campaign against civilian neighborhoods while the USA announced yet a new round of sanctions against Russia. As for the European “great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies” (to use the words of Boris Johnson, Mayor of London), after spending a week saying that they were opposed to sanctions, they showed their usual prostitution, obeyed Uncle Sam’s command and also adopted a package of sanctions. When asked about these latest sanctions Putin could not dismiss his contempt for the US Administration:
As for sanctions, they usually have a boomerang effect, and without a doubt will force US-Russian relations into a corner. This is a serious blow to our relationship. And it undermines the long term security interests of the US State and its people. It is regrettable that our partners have chosen to impose new sanctions, but Russia will not close doors to negotiations. We’re open to finding ways out of this situation. I really hope that common sense and the willingness to resolve all issues through peaceful diplomatic means will prevail.
The measures taken by the US administration towards Russia, in my view, contradict the national interests of the United States. This means that, for example, large companies wanting to work in Russia after facing certain restrictions will lose their competitiveness compared with other global energy companies. We gave an opportunity for the largest US company to work in the Arctic shelf. So what, the States does not want it to work there? They are hurting their biggest energy companies. And for what? In order to, after making one mistake, insist on making another? This is, at very least, an unprofessional approach. Sooner or later, such methods of solving international problems will have to change, but the damages will have to be written-off as losses for those doing it. I would like to say that unfortunately, those who plan foreign policy actions in the United States (this is not a recent observation but one pertaining to the last 10-15 years) are conducting an aggressive foreign policy and, in my view, a rather unprofessional one, because whatever they do, there are problems everywhere. Just look: there are problems in Afghanistan; Iraq is falling apart; Libya is falling apart. If General el-Sisi had not taken control in Egypt, Egypt would probably be in turmoil now as well. In Africa, there are problems in many countries. They touched Ukraine, and there are problems there as well.
So while Putin did not overtly call the Obama Administration stupid, he did call it incompetent and unprofessional. The Russian Foreign Ministry also chimed in and added that the USA had imposed new sanctions because:
The events in Ukraine have not developed the way Washington scripted them. The outrageous and groundless desire to blame Russia for the civil war in a neighboring country, which was caused by a deep internal crisis and already resulted in the loss of many lives, proves that the US and its clients in Kiev have failed to pacify the wide public dissent. We’ve said on many occasions that speaking the language of sanctions to Russia is pointless, regardless of their scale. This path won’t lead to any positive outcome. Those who believe in their own exceptionalism and claim the right to dictate their will to the world will be deeply disappointed. If Washington intends to ruin the Russian-American relations, it’s on their conscience, we won’t tolerate blackmail and reserve the right to retaliate.
I personally have no hope at all that all these appeals to common sense and even basic self-interest will have any impact on the US elites which have basically forgotten the subtle art of negotiations and who apparently sincerely believe that they can bully anybody into submission. The problem is that Russia is not in the least afraid of the US or, even less so, of the EU.
Right now, the sanctions are “kinda” working. Some Russian companies have had their stock go down and there are some signs of capital flight – but this is mostly speculative capital. Capital invested in Russia has not – and, really, cannot – move out. Sure, the Hrivna is kept artificially high by western banks, but for how long can they sustain this worthless currency? Even more ridiculously, Standard & Poors managed to, I kid you not, upgrade Ukraine’s credit rating from “negative” to “stable” because of the $17 billion bailout loan from the IMF. Yes, that’s right. There are some folks out there making a terrific salary saying that when a bankrupt country engaged in a civil war get a loan its credit rating becomes better, not worse, if even the borrowed money is used exclusively to fund that civil war and pay the Ukie oligarchs for their “contribution” to the war effort. Amazing…
The Russian response
During his tour of Latin America Putin spoke with the leaders of countries which represent more than half of the population of the planet. He signed a nuclear deal with Argentina, military contracts with Brazil, agreed to forgive 90% of the Cuban debt to Russia and re-open the Lourdes intelligence center on Cuba. So much for “isolating” Russia. But even more importantly is that the BRICS countries, following the example of Chavez’ ALBA bank, agreed to created a common development bank with the equivalent 100 billion dollars in capital. To put things simply, the BRICS are gradually off-loading the dollar reserves while creating their own version of the IMF, but this time with real development, not imperialism, as a goal. The beautiful photo of the 5 BRICS leaders all joining hands and grinning together was a clear message to Obama: you cannot isolate Russia or, for that matter, any of us.
Internally, Russia needs to actively pursue the program of “sovereignization” which Putin mentioned many time while keeping up the struggle with the “Russian 5th column” (also Putin’s choice of words). Sovereignization requires a major systemic restructuring of the Russian economy and industry: more money must be made available at much lower interest rates than now, companies should be, how shall I put it, “convincingly encouraged” to repatriate their money from foreign and off-shore accounts (this can be done by, for example, only allowing companies incorporated in Russia to bid for government contracts), foreign non-western investment must be further encouraged (especially from China) and the Russian industry needs to be actively developed and diversified and the military industry must be made self-sufficient. The goal is not some kind of Russia version of juche, but the gradual disentanglement of the Russian economy from the western (primarily European) one. Asia, Latin America, India, Africa – these are the partners and friends Russia is seeking to develop.
As for the Russian 5th column, it is not so much the overt pseudo-dissidents a la Nemtsov or Kasparov, but some oligarchs and their agents inside the Kremlin whom I call the “Atlantic Integrationists” (Medvedev, of course, but also a good chunk of the current Russian government and Kremlin advisers). The good news on this front is that the US policies towards Russia and the war in the Ukraine are giving Putin and the Russian secret services a perfect opportunity to turn the public opinion against these circles which, in turns, allows Putin to reduce their numbers and influence. Still, while these circles do not currently have the means to take action against him, they still hate Putin who would be well advised to always keep at least an eye over his shoulder as there are still a lot of traitors (what else should they be called?) in the Russian elites. These are, for example, the forces behind the current anti-Strelkov campaign lead by Kurginian and the anti-Putin campaign lead by pseudo-patriots who accuse him of having “sold out Novorussia”. Now that the military tide has been turned, at least provisionally, these pseudo-patriots are taking a time off to recover from the shock and define a new Putin-bashing strategy, but they will be back at it very soon, of that we can be certain. Several well-informed observers have indicated that the next bashing campaign will probably be directed at Strelkov who, in the eyes of these pseudo-patriots, is what the French call an “empêcheur de tourner en rond” which can be very loosely translated as “party pooper“, “spoilsport“, or “killjoy“: he is the man who crashed their behind-the-scenes attempts to make a deal with Akhmetov and the Kiev junta, he is the man with all the power in Novorussia, and he is the man who closely works with their worst enemy: the Russian secret services. His current popularity makes him untouchable at the moment, Kurginian completely failed in his attempts to smear him, but a war is the ideal setting to find a reason to smear a figure like Strelkov and they will definitely come up with something to get to him and, through him, to Putin.
A provisional conclusion of sorts
Where do we go from here?
First, we should not let the recent victories overwhelm us with a premature sense of optimism: this war is very far from over. For one thing it is pretty clear that the Resistance does not currently have the means to go on the counter-offensive and free the rest of Novorussia from Nazi occupation. Second, we can be darn sure that the US/NATO will dramatically increase their military, political and economic support for the junta in Kiev. I would not be in the least surprised if the US decided to send a group of retired US generals to replace the stupid Ukie generals who designed and implemented Poroshenko’s “surprise” plan. Also, the Ukies might regroup and launch another attack, this time (correctly) concentrated on either Donetsk or Lugansk (probably the former). So again, this is very far from being over, in particular because history shows that civil wars are not ended by a peace treaty, but by the victory of one side over another.
Just as I was writing this last sentence I saw a report that a civilian aircraft was shot down by somebody in the vicinity of Donetsk. So who done it? Here are some very preliminary thoughts:
First, the Ukies already did that once when they shot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 not deliberately, but out of their typical and total incompetence. Second, the Ukies had just announced that the Russians had shot down a Ukie SU-25 (which Russia denies, but which is quite possible), and I could see some Ukie smart-ass deciding to “retaliate” against a “Russian” aircraft. I don’t see how the Resistance could be involved as it probably does not have the kind of missiles needed to reach a typical civilian airliner flying at a typical cruising speed and altitude. The Russian most definitely do, but they also have a well-integrated air multi-layered defense system which should have immediately identified the aircraft origin and ID even if, say, the transponder was malfunctioning. By the way, this also means that the Russians have the radar track of both the plane and the missile which hit it. My guess is that junta controlled forces did it, probably by mistake, but that this will be hard to prove as all the western “experts” will “cover” for Kiev and blame Moscow, and Moscow will blame Kiev, possibly with the recorded radar tracks, but that the “international expert community” will dismiss that as a “Kremlin orchestrated propaganda ploy” (don’t you love the canned sentences used by the western media?). I sure hope that this was not some kind of screw up by the Russians (this is always possible, as the sad stories of TWA 800 or Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 have shown.
Stay tuned, I will try to continue to keep you posted, and don’t forget the “donation”: button on the left :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
UPDATE: come to think of it, the Resistance did get its hand on a Ukie base with some Buk missile systems so, alas, we cannot conclude that it *could not* have been them who down the MH17. My first guess is that the Ukies did it, but unfortunately it could have been any actor involved in the war.
All the imperial press is reporting that the “separatists” have shot down a commercial passenger Jet belonging to Malaysian Airlines killing 295 people. http://news.msn.com/world/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-ukraine-near-russian-border-ifax
CNN reporting, Nat Security correspondent in DC says Russia may be involved in Malaysian air downing.
Poroshenko’s nasty superprise:
Downing a Boing 777 over Ukraine and then sucessfully blaiming it on Russia or the rebels.
It stinks like 9/11 again.
We’ll see what is gonna happen: if Ukraine blames it on Russia and the USA follows, then the whole shit will explose now.
Are civilian airlines really flying through Ukrainian airspace while this conflict involving manpads is taking place?????
What a disaster.
HoHo!
Here comes the false-flag!!!
Malaysia plane crashes in Ukraine
Malaysia Airlines is a casualty of the Ukrainian civil war. MH 17 from Amsterdam shot down, with 280+ passengers.
Regarding the Boeing 777 that went down:
One tragic connection is this.
Had the Ukranian and European media not blacked out news of the military situation in Eastern Ukraine, the airline would have been aware of the danger, and would have changed their flight plan, which took them DIRECTLY over the center of hostilities, where airplanes have been shot down every day for hte last 5 days.
Question: Why would Russia not release the results of the plane and the missle (presumably recorded) ?
T1
“a surprise move for everybody, suddenly withdrew from Slaviansk and appeared in Donetsk with a large contingent of heavily armed fighters”
maybe in the time after somebody is interested in the story invisible by the senses that ran paralel background of time
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2014/07/mega-batka-moving_5.html
What is wrong with Malaysian Passengers (Civilians) Airlines?
Either they disappear in thin air, or they get hit by a missile over Ukraine.
Both of then Boeing 777s.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Hm, why was the airliner flying over an active war zone? Presumably air traffic control instructions. But why?
This cannot be an ‘accident’. Same airline as MH 370, same model, Ukies have statement prepared almost before plane hits ground, Press blaming Russia – too strange, too strange. [sound of sh*t hitting fan]
Yes, it is difficult to believe, but the Malaysians may not have known about the conflict.
Or perhaps they knew, but didn’t want to fly around the area and use more aviation fuel $$$$.
Awful.
Dead link on the Siberia flight shot down.
How they know suddenly that Boeing was shot down ?
If there will be an interantional investigation it could backfire at Kiev junta.
Andrew,
What a terrible event. The link below seems to offer real news.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-east-ukraine-near-russian-border/article19654868/
Dear The Saker,
http://rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border/
A lot of us thought there might be a false flag – but this! Malaysian Airlines again!
Condolences to all the families affected by this tragedy.
I hope the Russians have the satallite stuff on this :(.
No doubt Kiev will use this to do a cease fire and enter Donetsk. I hope the republic of Donetsk/Novorossia send their own people to investigate and ask Russians in to investigate.
Timing so suspicious just as Junta forces are losing and accusations that Russian planes are downing Ukie military jets.
Hadn’t Kiev said it was closing the airspace???
Hot off press – Putin and Obama ask for cease fire – surprise, surprise.
Rgds,
Veritas
p.s. this will knock the killing of 4 palestinian kids off the front page…..watch israel during this distraction…..
The MH17 seems to have disappeared from flight trackers about 100 km beyond the western edge of the Polish-Ukrainian border, east of Kovel.
The last recorded flight data was
01:11PM 51.2°N 24.8°E heading 107° (East) speed 488 kn (562 mph) at 33,000 feet
Two minutes later – nothing.
I thought Ukraine had declared a no fly zone in Ukrainian airspace?
Wait a minute, it is not coincidence that Malayasia just finished saying they strongly condemn Israel aggression TODAY! http://www.malaysiandigest.com/frontpage/29-4-tile/509552-malaysia-strongly-condemns-israeli-aggression-in-gaza.html
Can anyone tell me where the cc button is?
Ria Novosty confirms Donbas has ground to air for altitude 10km.
Could be Donbas warriors thought this was an Antonov transportplane.
Strelkoff twittered at 17.50 hour the Donbass downed an Antonov transportplane.
This is what I could find. Me myself think this is false flag.
This is dangeres situation.
Mr. Nora took about 3-1/2 nanoseconds to snarl, “It was ours. We shot it down by a missile from Turkey.” I’m not so sure about the Turkey part but I’m sure Russia has plenty of evidence about who did it and how, and I have no doubt whatever that we’re behind it one way or another.
Hmm, just at the very time Junta forces were taking a hammering and ceding tground to the resistance. This does, of course, very conveniently provide the Kiev regime with the legitimate reason and opportunity to flood the area around and perhaps within Donetsk with police forces, investigators, etc.
This must be Poroschenko’s surprise.
Anonymous 16:15
Oh for gosh sakes! Almost like the dog who didn’t bark… And we actually got out a map and saw for sure that Ukraine is hardly on the flight route. (puts on tinfoil hat… kind of looks like we know how to take over Malaysian Airlines planes and fly them wherever we want… takes off tinfoil hat but keeps it close by…)
Saker et al
A Malaysian passenger plane has crashed or been shot down in Eastern Ukraine
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2014/07/breaking-malaysian-passenger-plane.html
have a video up, need help with translation
if anyone can help, would you please
I don’t have a good feeling about this….
the pessimist said
….
isn’t it strange
Malaysian airlines yet again
which is already embedded in the minds of the masses and a very similar plane???
what could the odds be?
The missile system was taken from Uki army.
On purpose?
Fumes from the central fuel tank of Flight 800 were pouring out of its wingtips through the vents used to dump fuel prior to a potentially overweight landing. Recall that Flight 800 had been sitting on the tarmac at Kennedy in 100 degree heat for several hours prior to take-off. When it reached 11,000 feet, the fumes in the central fuel tank expanded and opened the wing vents.
Flight 800 happened to flying through a Naval anti-submarine exercise off the south shore of Long Island. Just before Flight 800 exploded a Naval antisubmarine P-3 Orion aircraft fired a dummy missile at a submarine below the two aircraft. This missile did NOT hit Flight 800, however, its exhaust ignited the fumes pouring from the wingtips, causing the central fuel tank to explode.
radar tracks
orion firing missile
Russians had nothing to do with this. The crew of the Orion were the only people connected with the tragedy who were never interviewed.
The flap covering the exhaust vent at the Flight 800 wing tip was the only piece of metal on the plane that was bent inward.
If 11/9 terror was a false flag to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, than everything is possible. Include forcing EU countries to imposes sanctions on Russia.
We must not Forget who instigate the regime change in Kiev and his objective.
The airplane false flag operation has been discussed about three months ago in the Guardian comment section. Obviously it was promptly deleted but I think many people read those comments.
The CIA teams are working at full capacity with a single directive in mind; To frame the resistance as “undeniably terroristic” in nature and push Russia into the Ukrainian conflict at all cost.
They will kidnap diplomats, commit more crimes that will be blamed on Russia and the resistance, attack embassies, sanctions, more sanctions, more blood, more lies….The usual imperial scheming and scamming.
How is Kiev certain that it was downed by a BUK strike before any investigation? Is it possible to know this from radar data? Reuters is there all ready? (well, they may have a reporter there covering the war I guess). If it was the militia they need to own up right away my gut tells me… but why route a commercial flight over an active war zone? The commercial flight routes would be handled by Kiev – right? Could they have set up the militia with a leak of flight plan for ‘military transport’?
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140717/190988635/Ukrainian-Army-Buk-Missile-Likely-Downed-Malaysian-Plane–.html
MOSCOW, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine’s anti-aircraft missile system dispatched to Donetsk Wednesday
July 17, 20:33 UTC+4
Ukraine’s armed forces dispatched the Buk anti-aircraft missile system battalion to the area of the city of Donetsk on Wednesday, a well-informed source said referring to the data recording system.
Another battalion of the same weapons is said to be in the process of embarkation in the city of Kharkiv, northwest of Donetsk, the source said adding that the aircraft at an altitude of over 10,000 meters could be shot down only with the weapons of the S-300 or Buk (Beech) missile systems.
In the meantime, militias of the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk have said they do not possess armament systems of this class.
Whatever the parameters of this tragedy, it will only serve to demonstrate that faith in the media’s account of events has left the scene. We are all troubled in various ways by official accounts and none are accepted as they would have been in the past.
While this is very confusing, it also means that people are thinking for themselves rather than just giving knee jerk reactions (for the most part; there will always be dissemblers), and that is a very healthy thing.
While it would have seemed impossible that those we trusted would ever lie to us, the world has learned to be skeptical even of such a happening as this. We know the many unthinkables, even with respect to leadership we favor, are all possible in this distorted power struggle.
With that in mind, my thoughts and prayers go to the many each day who lose life suddenly, whatever direction violence has taken. This is the legacy of distrust corporate governance has sown. No Big Event will change it now.
@Nora
puts on tinfoil hat… kind of looks like we know how to take over Malaysian Airlines planes and fly them wherever we want…
No need for the tinfoil hat, it’s an acknowledged capability of ALL recent planes, and …
For your “amusement”, also of all recent “all electronics” cars, Google “Boston brakes”…
(though it does not extends to steering only brakes and the engine but this is enough)
It was Ukie Army Buk air defense system sent to the region yesterday. This is a disaster for the AngloZionist cabal and their Nazi pitbulls…oh my God!
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140717/190988635/Ukrainian-Army-Buk-Missile-Likely-Downed-Malaysian-Plane–.html
Looks like the ZPC/NWO falseflag everybody has been expecting. The ZPC is in hysterics blaming Novorossia for the airliner they themselves downed and claiming Russia downed an Su-25, as well. I don’t think it is a coincidence the victim of the falseflag attack is Malaysian, either, and that this is the 2nd airliner they’ve lost this year. Something very wrong about that.
Ukrainian Army Buk Missile Likely Downed Malaysian Plane – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140717/190988635/Ukrainian-Army-Buk-Missile-Likely-Downed-Malaysian-Plane–.html
“MOSCOW, July 17 (RIA Novosti) – A Ukrainian army battalion of Buk air defense systems was deployed near the city of Donetsk a day before the crash of a Malaysian passenger plane on Thursday, making the downing of the aircraft by one of the missiles highly probable, an expert source said.
“According to reconnaissance data, a Ukrainian army battalion of Buk air defense systems was deployed near Donetsk on Wednesday morning,” the source said.”
вот так
If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn’t fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. it crosses the crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.
What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?
Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware’s data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.
A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.
Something’s fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.
BBC
Friday, 5 July, 2002, 15:58 GMT 16:58 UK
The pilot of an Israeli plane has reported seeing what he believes to have been a missile exploding in mid-air at a distance from his aircraft while flying over Ukraine.The Ukrainian defence ministry have ruled out any involvement by their forces.
Last year, 78 people died when a Russian airliner flying from Israel was hit over Ukraine by what was believed to have been a stray missile fired during a military exercise.
Nora @ 16:44
Please stop writing about “we”! I didn’t shoot down the plane, nor did you. Do you mean to say the US government? Then say so. The secret government? Then say so. It’s beyond ridiculous to habitually write “we” as if Americans were one amorphous blob of misguided, malevolent fools.
No doubt false flag. I ve been trying to log in http://www.atimes without succeeding. Is anybody else with similar problem?
You can see the flight path of MAS17 here http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
It is interesting to compare todays flight path with MAS17’s flight path from yesterday which can be viewed here
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
Also compare with the KLM flights between the same airports.
Todays flight path has MAS17 flying much further North directly over the war zone.
Since Kiev knows that the miltia has a BUK system, common sense should have told the air traffic controllers to keep all civilian traffic well away.
The S-300 system is not a one-man system. It needs a launch trailer, a loader trailer, a compatible radar system, and possibly support vehicles, along with a trained crew. I would imagine it needs substantial training and a competent crew for it to work properly. So the story is the Donbass militias acquired a full S-300 system in good order with no need for maintenance, powered it up successfully, fired it for the first time and hit a high speed target with their first and only shot? Hmmm, perhaps in the movies, or if the people involved happened to be full trained? Otherwise …?
As always, cui bono?
Check it out – no WAY should a commercial flight have been in this area:
“DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
“During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”
On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.
Meanwhile, Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia (Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency) reported.”
Downed Malaysian Boeing 777 (post updated)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2961-sbityy-malayziyskiy-boing-777-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
“In the district of Donetsk, where crashed Malaysian aircraft was previously relocated battalion of self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems Buk armed forces junta. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to its source.
“According to the system of objective control, Wednesday in the district of Donetsk was relocated division “Books” of the armed forces of Ukraine. Now Kharkiv loaded another division of the same weapons,” the source said.
According to him, the aircraft at a height of more than 10 thousand meters can be affected only by weapons type s-300 or “Buck”. The militias of such weapons is not and cannot be, the source said.
The civil aviation flights in the airspace of DND and LNR can not be realized, “because it destroyed the infrastructure of communication.” This was reported today by the representative of Donetsk national Republic (DND).
“Dispatching support of all passenger flights from Kiev. How there could be a plane is not clear,” he said.
“During the fighting in the airport of Donetsk was blown up the communication tower, which is a unified monitoring system. Aircraft cannot fly”, – he added.
Leadership of Donetsk national Republic denies involvement in the fall of Malaysian Boeing-777″ under Donetsk. About it “Interfax” was informed by a member of the security Council of the Republic Sergey Kavtaradze.
According to him, there militias no weapons capable of shooting down the plane at an altitude of 10,000 meters. It is adopted by DND portable anti-aircraft missile systems have a maximum effective range of three thousand meters.
So, armed militias is antiaircraft missile complex “Strela-10”
The range, m 800-5000
The height of defeat, m 10-3500
In a downed the Boeing 777 was 280 people, and 15 crew members. The plane was flying at a height of 10 thousand meter.
In 16.20 communication was lost ground services in Kiev and Rostov with aircraft company “Malaysia Airlines”, a flight Kuala Lumpur – Amsterdam.”
вот так
Kiev junta requests NATO assistance in following up this incident…
Yonatan,
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140717/190988635/Ukrainian-Army-Buk-Missile-Likely-Downed-Malaysian-Plane–.html
You know, I have fought, hard, against stereotypes my entire life but I’ve got to say, if ever I was going to indulge in one, it would be the people in charge of this entire fiasco. (Is there such a thing as Peak Stupid?) But if the controls of that plane were jiggered, we’re looking at something else entirely.
(more tinfoil hat… this is one hell of a way to ask for a ceasefire …leaves hat on and prays, hard, for Putin and all of humanity in the face of this Evil)
Про “Боинг” (About Boeing)
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1676228.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1676228.html
“1. Political background provocations with a broken “Boeing” are quite clear. Growing military disaster in the territory LNR and increased air defense militias, which confidently hit by the storm troopers of the junta, demanded stronger action to change the situation.
2. Option with a broken “Boeing”, which is why we were in the zone closed for flights, in the area where the fighting is going on, in the area where destroyed most of the military and civilian radar, rather clumsy tracing the history of the South Korean Boeing hit in 1983. Moreover, these characters are not particularly lurked.”
(Pic of twitter messages in Russian, see site)
That is, knowing beforehand that over the territory LNR and DND feature area air defense militias, Kiev sent in advance passenger “Boeing” and accidental indicates that even on large skyscrapers that Boeing can shoot down. And he also said this in the press. You just have to understand that over the territory of DND and LNR Boeing could be getting telepresence specify the Ukrainian dispatchers – DND and LNR simply physically do not do it.
State aviation service of Ukraine (CAA) has expanded the restrictions for the movement of aircraft at the area to conduct military operations in the East of the country, have informed on Tuesday to Agency “Interfax-Ukraine” the head of state aviation administration Antonyuk Denis.
Previously banned flights civil courts in the border zone – 100 km along the border at the altitude of up to 7,9 thousand meters from the ground surface. Danchuk said that in terms of altitude 7.9 thousand meters nothing izmaylovskoe were also reports that State aviation service of Ukraine in connection with the tense situation in the East of the country, because of the impossibility of ensuring the safety of passengers, as well as full control of all technological processes withdrew the operator certificates of three airports: from June 3 – Donetsk, from June 11, Luhansk, 19 June – Mariupol.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/384684 – zinc
Well, as soon as intended for slaughter Boeing pulled over the territory of DND and LNR, where it immediately and knocked. This note http://russian.rt.com/article/41291 presence in the area of the crash of the air force junta that followed Boeing Uchityvaya that “black boxes” falling aircraft captured by militia and transferred to Moscow in the near future more provocations will be installed.”
вот так
Not-We,
You make your choices, I make mine. And in my humble opinion, every single American who is not actively involved in trying to stop — right now — what our government/Deep State/whateverthehellitis is doing In Our Name And With Our Tax Dollars, belongs right smack inside that “We”.
You do what you want, Not-Not-We, but don’t order me around just because my words make you uncomfortable. Try doing something constructive instead.
“Боинг” был сбит украинским истребителем (“Boeing” was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter)
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1676376.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1676376.html
“Got a recording of the interview with eyewitness, which describes the details of the death of Malaysian “Boeing”.
http://cassad.net/category/war/211-podrobnosti-gibeli-malaziyskogo-boinga.html record the link
The main one.
1. A total of 3 explosion.
2. From the lost plane jumped 2 people with parachutes.
3. Was registered the Ukrainian airplane going in the direction of Debaltsevo.”
вот так
Yonatan said…
The MH17 seems to have disappeared from flight trackers about 100 km beyond the western edge of the Polish-Ukrainian border, east of Kovel.
But the MSM is claiming that the plane crashed close to the Russian-Ukrainian border. (The great circle path from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would take it along the Ukraine’s northern border, but not over S.E. Ukraine, see here.)
Possible false flag operation:
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 Flight MH370 (which was perhaps electronically hijacked) “disappeared” on March 8, 2014, and (according to the MSM) crashed into the southern Indian Ocean without trace. Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 Flight MH17 was electronically hijacked soon after entering Ukrainian airspace and made to disappear. The Boeing 777 formerly known as MH370 now suddenly reappears over S.E.Ukraine, having been put there by the same folks that hijacked MH370. This plane is now shot down, most likely by an air-to-air missile fired by agents of some country (not Russia) which has the ability to do this. The MSM claims that 200+ innocent souls were thus killed, and this is blamed either on the separatists or on Russia (though the people on MH17 did not die because the plane that was shot down was not MH17 but rather the Boeing 777 formerly known as MH370). The false flag operation is then used to support political or military purposes targeting Russia, which we shall soon be hearing more about.
Two articles by Keith Maart concerning MH370 which provide some background:
MH370: Evidence Suggests a Naval Intelligence / Israeli False Flag Operation was Exposed Before Execution of an Attack
MH370: New Evidence Shows Additional Israeli Connections
Some questions of physics..
A plane travelling at 10 km of heigth at a travelling speed of nearly 900 km/h covers quite some ground in the original direction before it hits the ground.
BUK M1 has a reach of 50 km. But the plane should have covered a distance above 100 km in the time it needed to come down…
So it isn´t really probable that it could have been a BUK M1 in the Southeast. Not even a Uki one…
Here are some tweets from aircontrol: https://twitter.com/spainbuca
There it is stated that the flight was accompanied by two ukrainian planes a few minutes before it´s disappearance…
the pessimist 17:35
The normal route for this flight is about 150 km south west of Donetsk, and about 200 km from the alleged shoot down site.
Anway, the story as presented assumes a ground to air missile. Indeed, that has to be the case if the Donbass militia are to be held responsible. One other possibility is air-to-air missile. The militias have a solitary ground attack Su-25, but no pilot(?) so that is totally out. I am sure that the Yanks have AWACS monitoring the Ukraine airspace. If it was a Russian aircraft, that would be plastered all over the news. A Ukie aircraft? They have some Sukhois that could possibly do the job but presumably they would show up on Russian radar. What’s left? Have the Yanks sent over any stealth aircraft prior to this?
Update:
The lack of tracking is possibly an artifact of FlightAware’s limited coverage. Apparently it only covers the very west of Ukraine and not the whole country. So how did it manage to get the final transmission of MH 17?
Obviously and certainly when loosing on every front in a major humiliating defeat, the US Shooo-shine boy PoroSHITko can be pushed to anything even down an airliner. Qui bono? Washington!
Mikhas
Malaysia harshly criticizes the Israeli massacre and calls on the UNSC to stop Israel’s disproportionate use of force,
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1115491
An Israeli revenge bomb? With the added bonuses of giving Uncle a stick to beat the Russians with, as well as getting the MSM off their murderous backs.
Only two days back, Snowden revealed GCHQ ability and willingness to use the same psy-op tricks that the British used during WW2 when they regularly took over the Nazi airwaves, and broadcast seemingly genuine Nazi programming.
Today, one must assume that ALL posts on the Internet seemingly linked the resistance of Novorussia to the shooting down of the civilian plane have been placed there by GCHQ agents. This includes seeming statements of ‘guilt’ from named resistance leaders. GCHQ literally has the capability to take over any internet resource, and replace it with what appears to be genuine content.
As was pointed out be an earlier commentator, the training needed to operate a state-of-the-art Russian air defence system is startlingly extensive. And IF one had the training, it is child’s play to use the radar information to distinguish between different types of aircraft.
GCHQ agents will be placing words into the mouths of all the main actors- remember how at the time of ‘9/11’, Bin Laden issued videos (that the mainstream media refused to air) categorically denying his involvement in the false flag, but when the Americans invaded Afghanistan, they claimed to have ‘found’ a video showing (a clearly fake) Bin Laden claiming responsibility- and this video was aired endlessly by the mainstream media.
Ukraine has not been destabilised to create a minor embarrassment for Russia on its very borders. Like the false flag of 9/11, Ukraine is crafted to enable a series of very significant military actions by the US war machine in its wake. One goal is to utterly destroy the centralise power structure of Russia itself- and the means to be used extend far beyond traditional warfare.
Stage one is to leave Russia battered, bruised and utterly confused. Britain is the master of inflicting such harm without having to fire a single bullet.
Be very, very reluctant to take anything at face value, no matter where you read it on the ‘Internet’. And never forget, as the universal programs to infiltrate British police undercover into every protest group in the UK proved, naive activists, no matter how well intentioned, can be manipulated with ease by the monsters.
Since the shooting down of this plane is a gift to the Americans if enough sheeple believe Russians are to blame, the likelihood of this being a false-flag is almost 100%.
It’s worth noting that the last known radar position of the aircraft was more than 200 km to the west of territory under control of the resistance.
It’s also worth musing that if Third Forces have been waiting and watching from afar for a propitious time to launch provocations, this would indeed be a suitable time, with junta troops moving BUK systems close in on two fronts, resistance forces (said to) have acquired BUK, and Russia allegedly building up a little near the border, confusion in the cauldron, in other words a period of growing melee.
Also, it’s the easiest thing in the world to divert a flight along path unsuspected by the pilot. Think only of the relatively primitive Botha/CIA operation to assassinate Samora Machel 25 years ago and similar ops since. And indeed, the even more primitive yet effective assassination of Dag Hammarskold in ’61.
It was zone closed from civilian air traffic.
Is this was really routine route of this flight ?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/p280x280/10375996_295433170641305_7851518289519415176_n.jpg
I, too, am unable to access atimes.com.
I am hearing of other news outlets suffering similar problems today.
Bravo3
False flag,black swan or not,C.Lagardes 21st July date approaches,be prepared,WW111 is staring us down the barrel.
XbNB
Two birds with one stone? Interesting that Malaysia seems to be being targeted. They have been a thorn in the side of US plans in the China Sea, one of the few near-China governments not to embracing the anti-China rhetoric of Washington.
So it is being reported that the black boxes went to Moscow and that DPR is saying bodies will go to Donetsk so Kiev does not have easy access to the crash site. Media war very hot.
Russia aviation hq suggests that it could be aimed at Putin.
At hight the plane looked like the presedential plane…….
Before we go nuts with wild talk, check out the following. Much more about this plane on Internet. I’ll bet its not in Tel Aviv any more
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http://www.dailypaul.com/315435/why-is-a-malaysian-airliner-identical-to-the-missing-one-being-stored-in-tel-aviv
Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?
http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11…
http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/inde…
http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/2841…
http://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/View?Registration=N105GT…
There are few Experts on American Conduct who said a few days ago that there would be a False Flag Operation by America in order to Wrongly blame Russia, or the Federalists.
The timing of the crash of the Passenger Airliner on Ukraine to coincide with American sanctions looks Highly Suspicious, and this is why it looks like Nazi America or Nazi Puppets in Kiev are Responsible for this in order to further their Evil Cause, which began with the American led Illegal and Immoral Coup in Ukraine to Overthrow a Democratically Elected European Government in order to Install their Puppets in power in Kiev.
While I suspect Obama as the most likely Suspect, it is possible that the Ukrainian Nazis, with the help of other Nazis like Nazi Poland or Nazi Sweden may have done that without America’s approval.
America has been Conducting False Flag Operations in Ukraine and other parts of the World, and America has been Maliciously Slandering Russia, and this is because America is a Rogue State, who is a Bully.
There are Many Decent Countries who are not using the America Dollar in their Trades, because the American Dollar is Not Currency Democracy, but it is Currency Dictatorship, and it is Not Currency Equality, but Currency Inequality.
Each Individual can do their part for this Planet, by Boycotting All American Goods and Services.
The reason for this is to conceal that the American Plutocrats are clearing Rain Forests to plant Palm Oil for bio fuels, which results in loss of Species and results in Desertification of the Planet, reducing the amount of fresh Water on the Planet at http://www.greenfudge.org/2013/10/14/drop-dirty-palm-rant-part-2/ .
This is why All the People of the World are Affected by the Anti Planet activities of Nazi America, and their Nazi Puppets.
After Considering the Facts behind the recent events in Ukraine, then there is one thing that America and its Puppet in Ukraine should consider.
We know that Nazi America and the Illegitimate Nazi Junta in Kiev will Not Confess to being Nazi Criminals for the Obvious Reasons.
The Junta or ‘Authorities’ in Ukraine should Unilaterally Change the Ukrainian Constitution to have each and every Ukrainian Oblast to have Almost the Status of Independent Countries, and the Republic of Serbia, and the Dayton Peace Accords are a Good Example, and furthermore Ukraine must be Militarily Neutral.
There is no Need for the People of Lugansk and Donetsk to be there, because Kiev needs to do that, because Lugansk and Donetsk want as Little as Possible to do with Nazis.
The Environmental Issues that I mentioned need to be Publicized Globally, and this is why Responsible People will Discreetly Boycott All Goods and Services from America.
more
http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/why-do-the-israelis-have-a-777-identical-to-mh370-in-a-hangar-in-tel-aviv/
March 27, 2014 by Starship Earth: The Big Picture
Why do the Israelis have a 777 identical to MH370 in a hangar in Tel Aviv?
Thanks Richard… who says…
This story hit the Internet last night.
According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?
A little publicity might stop any nefarious plans they may have.
Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?
Updated March 26, 2014
Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?
Source: http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php
See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_11686
Update – According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?
By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.
For more on the identical Malaysia plane in Tel Aviv see the latest entry, dated March 26, 2014, on my Q&A and Comment page.
Note: The Malaysia Air 777 with Boeing serial number 28416 and registered as 9M-MRI was sold to GA Telesis, LLC of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on October 21, 2013, and is now registered as N105GT. The aircraft was stored at Tarbes Lourdes Pyrenees on October 4, 2013, and then on November 4, 2013, it was re-registered as N105GT and stored at Tel Aviv.
See: http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php
Abdol Moabery serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer of GA Telesis, LLC. Previously, Mr. Moabery served as Executive Vice President of Aviation Systems International, Inc., and as Director of Marketing and Sales at C-S Aviation Services, Inc. Both of Moabery’s former companies were owned by George Soros. Therefore it is not unlikely that Soros owns a good part of GA Telesis, too.
C-S Aviation Services:
https://www.mail-archive.com/osint@yahoogroups.com/msg64520.html
Aviation Systems International, Inc.
http://business.fau.edu/news-events/event-details/index.aspx?eid=2826#.UzFK2CO3PJs
This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al “security expert” Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.
Read the rest of the article…
Ciao Saker..Immagino che il tuo prossimo Post lo dedicherai al fatto dell’abbattimento del 777 della Malasya. Da noi in Italia ancora non c’è un’idea chiara su questa tragedia bellica. Sarebbe interessantissimo conoscere la ricostruzione del fatto magari dal Comandante I. Strelkov in persona.
E’ una cosa gravissima, resta da capire se è uno sbaglio o una cosa voluta come false-flag.
Distinti saluti Clausneghe
Cui bono?
A read of W*k* entries on Malaysia (also adjacent Thailand) will tell you everything you need to know – no need to look up Indonesia as you will know its main religion.
Damned difficult to stoke divisions there; the country has done well economically, so not a reservoir of grievance. And there is no mileage in trying to stoke Buddhists against Muslims (unlike Hindus with their bloodthirsty array of gods). The options to pressure Malaysia are therefore strictly limited.
“A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists earlier Thursday near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by the rebels.” – An AP article covering MH17 stated
This just struck me as such an odd statement. Are Buk missile systems that recognizable? Would a journalist be likely to be familiar enough with such a system to remark- Geesh that sure looks like a Buk… I wonder where they got that?
I have no idea what any kind of missile system, let alone a Buk, looks like so I was just curious is this seems as ridiculously made up to those who are more knowledgeable of such things…
Last few posts by Spanish ATC are bombshells if true.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca
Saying everything is registered by the radars, and they all know it was shot down by Kiev and Military Air Control knows it as well.
Says Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing there, but the Defence minister doesn’t
Then he says the military have confirmed it was Ukraine, but don’t know where the order came from
Perhaps this is a false flag but Pan Am Flight 103 style rather than Flight 800 etc. Someone on the inside of the airport security could slip a bomb into some luggage, timed to go off as the aircraft flew over eastern Ukraine. Would a GPS receiver work inside the luggage hold? If so, so much the better – boom over Donetsk – supplanted by prepared lies in the compliant MSM. It will be months before any ATSB or equivalent gets to investigate and report. By that time the damage would be done (the planners hope). Presumably the plan is for Russia to be blamed, totally isolated and NATO moved into the whole of the Ukraine to protect the airspace.
the way [putin use the words parnters and freinds show how weak he is.
second while resistance was winning in the southern cauldren the anglos decided to start a false flag to make cerasefire which resistance would not have agreed to before but has to now.
russia always has victory snatched from ehr mouth because russia is too stupid to plan for all eventualities-it alwasy plan slow and reacts to others action.
anglos are too evil and cunning fdor the russians that is why anglos though inferioir in all apects still run down the russians who never realsie that their real enemis are englisha nd its anglo derives pests.
What if the target was Putin?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-rebels-find-black-box-full-mh-17-update
Putin’s plane may have been target of Ukrainian rocket: Interfax
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plane crossed route of crashed Malaysian plane near Warsaw, Interfax reports, citing unidentified person in Russian aviation service.
Chris Bollyn first wrote of the curious case of the twin Malasian 777 in Israel back in March 31, 2014
http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/
“Update – According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?
Curiouser and curiouser.
Bravo3