The world is headed for war and has been headed that way for quite a while now. Several times, just at the brink, the West decided to pull back, but each time it did that its ruling elites felt two things: first, the felt even more hatred for Russia for forcing them to back down and, second, they interpreted the fact that no shooting war happened (yet) as the evidence, at least in their minds, that standing on the brink of war is a pretty safe exercise. And yet, a major shooting war is quite possible in any of the following locations, or even in several simultaneously: (in no specific order)
- US-China war over Taiwan
- AngloZionist attack on Iran
- A war involving the 3B+PU against Belarus
- A war between the Ukraine and the LDNR+Russia
- A NATO-Russian war in the Black Sea region
- A resumption of a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan
As we can see, all of these potential wars could potentially involve Russia, either directly (3,4,5) or indirectly (1,2,6).
Today, I want to look at Russian options in the direct involvement cluster of wars 3, 4 and 5.
The first thing which I think is important to note here is that while the Ukraine has no prospects of becoming a NATO member country, some NATO member states have already taken the following steps to turn the Ukraine into a de facto NATO protectorate:
- Full and unconditional political support for the Nazi regime in Kiev and any of its actions
- Minimal economic support, just enough to keep the Nazis in power
- Minimal delivery of weapons for the Ukronazi forces
- Deployment of small NATO contingents inside the Ukraine
- Lot’s of Kabuki theater about “we will stand with you forever and no matter what“
I have already discussed the 5th point here, so I won’t repeat it all here. The important point in the list above in #4, the deployment of a small force of UK, Swedish, French, US and other NATO units into the Ukraine. Such small forward deployed forces are referred to “tripwire forces” whose mission is to heroically die thereby triggering an automatic (at least in theory) involvement of their country of origin into the war.
Before going any further, I think I want to share with you a list of axiomatic facts:
- Russia cannot be defeated militarily by any combination of forces. For the first time in centuries, Russia is not playing “catching up” with her western foes, but is actually ahead with both her conventional and her nuclear forces. The Russian advantage is especially striking in her conventional strategic deterrence capabilities.
- The West, whose leaders are quite aware of this fact, does not want an open shooting war with Russia.
- The 3B+PU block wants a war at all costs, both for internal and for external political reasons.
- In a war against the Ukraine, Russia will have several counter-strike options in which she would not need to drive even a single tank across the border
The first three are rather uncontroversial, so let’s look at the 4th point a little closer. Let’s begin by looking at Russian counter-attack options against the Ukraine. Roughly summarized, here are what I see as the main possible options for a Russian counter-attack against the Ukraine:
- Protecting the LDNR in its current borders (line of contact) by a combination of a no-fly zone, missile strikes against Ukie C3I, the use of EW to disorganize the Ukie forces and very targeted strikes (from inside Russia) against key HQs, ammo/POL dumps, etc.
- Giving cover to the LDNR forces to fully liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
- Giving cover to the LDNR forces to fully liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and the creation of a land corridor towards the Mariupol-Berdiansk-Crimea area.
- Giving cover to the LDNR forces to fully liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and the creation of a land corridor in the Mariupol-Berdiansk-Crimea area and then the liberation of the Ukainian coast along the Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa axis.
- The liberation of all the lands east left bank of the Dniepr river (including the cities of Kharkov, Poltava, Dniepropetrovsk, Zaporozhie and others).
- The liberation of the entire Ukraine
In purely military terms, these are all doable options. But looking at this issue from a purely military point of view is highly misleading. But first, about the NATO tripwire force.
US/NATO commanders are not too bright, but they are smart enough to understand that in case of a Russian counter attack these forces would be wiped out, thereby potentially involving all of NATO in what could potentially be a huge, continental war. That is not what they want.
So the real purpose of this tripwire forces would be to create a powerful enough anti-Russian hysteria to transform the (currently disorganized and deeply dysfunctional) West into a single, united, anti-Russian block. In other words, this tripwire force presents a political challenge to the Kremlin, not a military one. This being said, we need to look a a number of absolutely crucial non-military factors.
- Whatever territory Russia liberates from the Nazi forces she will have to rebuilt economically, protect militarily and reorganize politically. The more territory Russia liberates, the most acute these pressures will become.
- It has been 30 years already since the Ukraine set a course on becoming an anti-Russia, and there is now an entire generation of thoroughly brainwashed Ukrainians who really believe in what the Ukronazi media and “democracy” or “civil society” promoting propaganda outlets have been telling them. The fact that many of them speak better Russian than Ukrainian does not change fact that in the least. While the Ukies cannot stop the Russian military, they sure can organize and sustain an anti-Russian insurgency which Russia would have to suppress.
- Economically, the Ukraine is a black hole: you can throw whatever you want at it, in any amounts, and everything will simply disappear. The notion of “economic aid to the Ukraine” is simply laughable.
- The Ukraine is an artificial entity which never was, and ever will be, viable, at least not in her current borders.
For these reasons I submit that it would be extremely dangerous for Russia to bite-off more than she can chew. As the best (by far) political analyst of the Ukraine, Rostislav Ishchenko, said in an interview last week: “Putin cannot save the Ukraine, but he sure can ruin Russia [if he tries]” – and I totally concur with him.
Whatever legal pretense can be wrapped around a Russian liberation of the Ukraine, the reality is that whatever land Russia does liberate, she will then own and have to administer.
Why would Russia want to reimpose law and order inside a black hole?
Then there is this: while historically Ukrainian are nothing but “Russians under Polish occupation”, the past 30 years have created a new, very different nation. In fact, I submit that we have witnessed a true ethnogenesis, the birth of a new nation whose very identity is russophobic at its core. Yes, they speak Russian better than Ukrainian, but speaking the language of your enemy did not prevent the IRA, ETA or the Ustashe from hating that enemy and fighting him for decades. In many ways, the modern Ukrainians are not only are non-Russians, they are anti-Russians par excellence: I think of them as Poles, with vyshivankas instead of feathers.
Crimea was solidly pro-Russian in all its history. The Donbass was initially rather happy to form part of the Ukraine, even in the early post-Maidan period when protests were organized under Ukrainian flags. Those flags were later traded for LDNR/Russian flags, but only after Kiev launched a military operation against the Donbass. And the further you go west, the clearer this distinction is. As one LDNR commander once put it, “the further west we go, the less we are seen as liberators and the more we are seeing as occupiers“.
The crucial point here is this: it does not matter what you, or I, or anybody else thinks about the constituent parts of the new Ukie national identity, we can laugh about it all we want, but as long as they take it seriously, and enough of them do, then this is a reality we cannot simply overlook or wish away.
The other point which is often overlooked is this: the Ukronazi Banderastan has already mostly collapsed. Yes, in central Kiev things look more or less normal, but all the reports from the rest of the country point to the same reality: the Ukraine is already a failed state, totally de-industrialized, where chaos, poverty, crime and corruption are total. The same is becoming true even for Kiev suburbs.
When I observe at how slow the Russian efforts to reorganize (really, fix) Crimea are, by no fault of the Russians, by the way, I recoil in horror at the thought of what it would take for Russia to re-civilize and re-develop ANY liberated part of the Ukraine.
Russia is typically compared to a bear, and that is a very good metaphor on many levels. But in the case of the Ukraine, I see Russia like a snake and the Ukraine like a hog: the snake can easily kill that hog (by venom or by constriction), but that snake cannot absorb that dead hog, it is just too big for it.
But here is the single most important fact about this entire situation: the Ukie Banderastan is dying, most of its body is already necrotic, so there is absolutely no need for the Russian snake to do anything about it at all (other than retreating into a corner ready to strike, in a coiled position, and loudly hiss: “attack me and you are dead!“. Putin already said that much.
Still, what if? What if the Nazis, egged on by their “democratic” patrons, do launch an attack? At that point Russia will have no other option but to strike, using her standoff weapons (missiles, artillery, long range cruise missiles, etc.). Since we can safely assume that the Russians have been rehearsing exactly such a counter-strike we can expect it to be swift and devastating. Targets list will include: advancing Ukie forces, airbases and any aircraft (manned or not) taking off, any Ukie boat approaching the area of operations, communication nodes, supply dumps, roads, bridges, fortified positions, etc. That is a lot of targets to be hit at once, but hitting them at once is also the safest and most effective method to quickly achieve the immediate goal of stopping any possible Ukie advance on the LDNR. This initial phase would last under 24 hours.
[Sidebar: modern warfare is not WWII, you won’t see thousands of tanks and a clear frontline but, rather, you will see strikes throughout the strategic depth of the enemy side, intense maneuver by fire and the use of battalion tactical groups]
Should that happen, it is likely that NATO forces would move into the western Ukraine, not to “protect” it from a Russian attack which will never come, but to break off as much of the Ukraine as possible and take it under control. The pretext for such a NATO move would be the destruction (partial or full) of the tripwire force. NATO might also declare its own no-fly zone over the western Ukraine, which the Russians will have no need to challenge. Finally, the West will happily unite against Russia, and sever all economic, diplomatic and other ties to “isolate and punish Russia”. Let’s not kid ourselves, this would hurt the Russian economy, but not in a manner sufficient to break the Russian will.
Then will come the big question: how far should Russia go?
I am confident that this has already been decided, and I am equally confident that Russia will not follow the options 4, 5 and 6 above. Option 1 is a given, we can take that to the bank (unless the LDNR forces alone are enough to stop a Ukie attack). Which leaves options 2 and 3 as “possibles”.
So here I want to suggest another option, what I would call the “southern route”: while the line of contact between the LDNR and Banderastan can be pushed somewhat further west, I do not think that Russian forces shuold liberate any of major cities in the central Ukraine (Kharkov, Poltava, Dneipropetrivsk, Zaporozhie, ). Instead, I think that they ought to envelop these forces by a move along the coast as far as all of Crimea (up to Perekop) and maybe even up to, but not into, the city of Kherson. Of course, in order to achieve this, it would be necessary to bring a large enough force into the Voronezh-Kursk-Belgorod triangle to force the Ukrainians to allocate forces to their northeast. The Russian Black Sea Fleet could also conduct operations all along the Ukrainian coast, including near Nikolaev-Odessa to force the Ukies to allocate forces to coastal defenses, thereby easing the load on the Russian forces moving towards Kherson.
[Sidebar: let’s be clear here, the LDNR forces along cannot conduct such a deep operation without risking envelopment and destruction. That operation can only be executed at a relatively low cost by the Russian armed forces, including the Black Sea Fleet]
In such a scenario, Belarus could turn into a “silent threat from the north” which would further forces the Ukies to allocate forces to their northern borders, making the latter feel like they are being enveloped in strategic pincers.
What about Odessa?
Odessa is a unique city in many ways, and is population is generally pro-Russian. It is also a city which would have a tremendous economic potential if managed by sane people. However, Odessa is also a symbolic city for the Nazis, and they have placed a great deal of effort into controlling it. Thus, Odessa is one of the few cities in the Nazi occupied Ukraine which could rise up against their occupier, especially while the Russian forces move along the coast towards it. Here is where Russia could, and should, get involved, but not by taking the city WWII style, but by backing and supporting pro-Russian organizations in Odessa (primarily by using her special forces and, when needed, the firepower of the Black Sea Fleet).
What would the outcome of such a war look like?
One the down side, the West would unite in its traditional hatred for Russia, and economically Russia would hurt. That is not irrelevant but, I submit, this scenario is already in the making and even if Russia does absolutely nothing. Hence, this inevitable reality ought to be accepted by Russia as a condition sine qua non for her survival as a sovereign nation.
In military terms, the Poles and their Anglo masters would probably “protectively liberate” the western Ukraine (Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk). So what? Let them! There is no penalty for Russia from this. Besides, the hardcore Ukronazis will then have to deal with their former Polish masters now fully back in control – let them fully “enjoy” each other :-)
What about the rump Banderastan (we are talking about the central Ukraine here)?? It would end up being in even a worse shape than it is today, but Russia would not have to pay the bills for this mess. Sooner or later, an insurrection or civil war would take place, which would pit one brand of Ukies against another, and should either one of them turn towards Russia or the liberated parts of the Ukraine, Russia could simply use her standoff weapons to quickly discourage any such attempts.
So how close are we to war?
Short answer: very. Just listen to this recent press conference by Lavrov. And its not only Lavrov, a lot of savvy political commentators and analysts in Russia are basically saying that the issue is not “if” but “when” and, therefore, “how”. I think that the straw that broke the Russia’s patience’s camel back is the suicidal way in which the real (historical) Europeans have allowed the 3B+PU to set the agenda for the UE and NATO. Oh sure, if NS2 goes ahead, as it still probably will, the Russians will be happy to sell energy to Europe. But in terms of agency, the only power Russia is willing to talk to is the United States, as witnessed by the recent visits of Nuland and Burns to Moscow. Let’s make one thing very very clear here:
Russia does not want war. In fact, Russia will do everything in her power to avoid a war. If a war cannot be avoided, Russia will delay the onset of that war as far into the future as possible. And if that means talking to folks like Nuland or Burns, then that is something the Russians will gladly do. And they are absolutely right in that stance (not talking to the enemy is a western mental disorder, not a Russian one).
As I have been saying for almost 2 years now, the Empire is already dead. The USA as we knew them died on January 6th. But the post Jan 6th USA still exists and, unlike the Europeans, the US ruling classes still have agency. Just look at clowns like Stoltenberg, Borrell, Morawiecki or Maas: these are all petty bureaucrats, office plankton of you wish, which might have the skills to run a car rental agency, maybe a motel, but not real leaders that anybody in the Kremlin will take seriously. You can hate Nuland or Burns all you want, but these are serious, dangerous folks, and that is why Russia is willing talk to them, especially when the request for such negotiations have been made by the US side (the Russians can’t really talk to clowns like Biden or Austin, which are just PR figures).
One thing needs mentioning here: the people of the rump-Banderastan and what will happen to them.
Actually, I think that the Ukraine is totally and terminally unsalvageable and the only good plan for anybody still living there is to do what millions of Ukrainians have already done: pack and leave. Since most of the unskilled Ukrainian labor force lived in the western regions of the Ukraine, they will naturally prefer moving to the EU to work as cabbies, plumbers, maids and prostitutes. Likewise, since most of the skilled Ukrainian work force comes from the southern and the eastern Ukraine, they will either be content with being liberated by Russia or they will move to Russia to work as engineers, medical doctors, IT specialists or even construction workers. Russia has a need for such culturally close and qualified work force and getting jobs (and passports) for them will be a no brainer for the Kremlin. True, what will be left of this post-Banderastan Ukraine won’t be a pretty sight: a poor, corrupt, country whose people will struggle to survive with lots of silly political ideas floated around. But that won’t be Russia’s problem anyway while the main threat to Russia, a united Banderastan becoming a NATO training polygon right across the Russian border, will simply evaporate, dying on its own toxic emissions. And if more Ukrainians want to move to Russia (or the free Ukraine), then the LDNR and Russian authorities will be able to decide on a case by case “do we wants these folks here or not?“. Those Ukrainians who have remain real Ukrainians will be welcome in Russia while the Ukronazis will be denied entry and arrested if they still try.
Addendum: the two powers with imperial phantom pains and dreams of war
I am, of course, talking about the UK and Poland, two minor actors who compensate for their very limited actual abilities with a never-ending flow of vociferous declarations. Mostly, they are just “playing empire”. Both of these countries know exactly that they once were real empires and why they are pretty irrelevant today – they blame much of their own decay on Russia and hence their dream is to see Russia, if not defeated, then at least given a bloody nose. And, of course, standing on the shoulders of the USA, both of these countries think of themselves as giants: they sure act the part very great gravitas and pomp.
Finally, their leadership is degenerate enough (inferiority complex compensated by a narcissism run amok) to lack even the basic common sense of wondering whether poking the Russia bear is a good idea or not. More than any other NATO members, these yapping countries need a good smackdown to bring them back to reality. Whether this smackdown will come in the form of some incident in the Ukraine or whether that will happen elsewhere is impossible to predict, but one thing is sure: the UK and Poland are (yet again!) the two countries which want, I would even say, need, a war with Russia more than anybody else (example one, example two). I find it therefore rather likely that, sooner or later, Russia will have to either sink a UK/Polish ship or shoot down a/several UK/Polish aircraft which will show to the world, including the Brits and the Poles, that neither the US, nor NATO nor anybody else is seriously going to go to war with Russia over the Empire’s underlings. Yes, there will be tensions, possibly even local clashes, and tons and tons of threatening verbiage, but nobody wants to die for these two hyenas of Europe (Churchill forgot to mention one), and nobody ever will.
Conclusion: war on the horizon
Right now, we are already deep inside a pre-war period and, like a person skating on thin ice, we wonder if the ice will break and, if it does, where that will happen. Simply put, the Russians have two options:
- A verbal push back
- A physical push back
They have been trying the former as best they can to do the first for at least 7 years if not more. Putin did trade space for time, and that was the correct decision considering the state of the Russian armed forces before, roughly, 2018. Trump’s election was also God-sent for Russia because while Orange Man did threaten the planet left and right, he did not start a full-scale war against Russia (or, for that matter, Iran, China, Cuba, Iran and the DPRK). By late 2021, however, Russia has retreated as far as she could. The good news now is that Russia has the most modern and capable military on the planet, while the West is very busy committing political, cultural and economic suicide.
According to US analysts, by 2025 the USA won’t be able to win a war against China. Frankly, I think that this ship has already sailed a long time ago, but that semi-admission is a desperate attempt to create the political climate to circle the wagons before China officially becomes the second nation the USA cannot defeat, the first one being, obviously, Russia (I would even include Iran and the DPRK is that list). Hence all the current Anglo posturing in the Black Sea (which is even far more dangerous for US/NATO ships than the China Seas) is just that: posturing. The main risk here is that I am not at all convinced by the notion that “Biden” can rein in the Brits or the Poles, especially since the latter are both NATO members who would sincerely expect NATO to protect them (they should ask Erdogan about that). But, of course, there really is no such thing as “NATO”: all there is the US and its vassal states in Europe. Should the two wannabe empires trigger a real, shooting war, all it would take is a single Russian conventional missile strike somewhere deep inside the continental USA (even in a desert location) to convince the White House, the Pentagon or the CIA “get with the program” and seek a negotiated solution, leaving the Brits and the Poles utterly disgusted and looking foolish. I don’t think anything else can bring those two countries back to a sense of reality.
So yes, the war is coming, and the only thing which can prevent it would be some kind of deal between Russia and the USA. Will that happen? Alas, I don’t see any US President making such a deal, since however is in power is accused by the other party of “weakness”, “being a Russian asset” and all the rest of the flagwaving claptrap coming out of all the US politicians, especially in Congress. One possibly mitigating factor is that the US politicians are also dead set on confrontation with China, including during the upcoming Olympic games, and if these tensions continue to escalate, then the US will want Russia to at least not represent a direct threat to US interests in Europe and the Pacific. So maybe Putin and Xi can play this one together, making sure that with each passing day Uncle Shmuel gets even weaker while Russia and China get even stronger. Maybe that strategy could avoid a war, at least a big one. But when listen to the verbiage coming out of the UK+3B+PU, I have very little hope that the nutcases in Europe can be talked down from the edge of the precipice.
Andrei
Brandon begged Xi for a mutual release from the SPR – strategic petroleum reserve.
According to blue tick Twitter, joes already released 20 percent SPR to keep prices stable.
The stickers at the pump “I did this” with a Biden face, indicating filling the tank is painful, is doing its (political) job.
With diminished reserves, and shortage of heating gas in Europe, the war may have to be delayed till next shoots season.
“One the down side, the West would unite in its traditional hatred for Russia, and economically Russia would hurt.”
Can it really be that much worse than it already is?
I think it is a case of “What does not kill me will make me stronger.” Russia has been dealing with “western” sanctions for years now, and it has pushed Russia into greater self reliance and strength. It has pushed Russia away from the west and Europe, to the point that Russia really does not need to trade with the west, and has been dis-entangling itself from the west more and more, and looking toward the east/China. It is not as if Russia does not have options; almost everything “made” in the west really comes from China.
Just thinking out loud… please feel free to correct me if I am off track.
French Bloke
“Can it really be that much worse than it already is”? The answer is ‘yes’. If you have been following Internet articles on the state of US finances, you would have seen that a financial crash is expected, worse than the one from 2008. Very dangerous for the entire international community. What are Washington and Wall Street going to do ? Sit back and watch the crash, or will they provoke a wider war, all in the hope of boosting the economy, an old bankers trick, taking the country to war in order to avert financial repercussions ? That’s how the US terminated it’s pre-World War Two financial and economic depression.
However, economists have for years been warning that this old trick will not work any more, as the US has de-industrialized, while it domestic and foreign debt is enormous. Even so, there are enough crazies on Wall Street who think that this old trick can still work and that Russia can be defeated in a sneak attack, no doubt inspired by Hollywood movies, showing the sophistication and “invincibility” of the US military.
I don’t think that the chief catalyst for war will be – as such – the situation In Ukraine/Donbass, the political conflicts with China, Iran or North Korea. The catalyst will be the economic and financial situation in the US, who will use foreign factors as an excuse for war. That’s the scariest aspect of the current and future situation on the international field.
Even if that won’t work for Western industries, that will work for Western bankers, they would shoft the blame of collapse onto evil Russia, good enough, for them.
Putin’s speech at today’s special MFA meeting in Russian. Putin clearly says to those at the MFA that Russia must have peace, something you’ve been saying for years now.
Putin’s English transcript is now complete. I must commend the Kremlin on its speedy work on this extremely important speech!
It’s coincidental you published this article on the day of the special enlarged meeting of the Board of Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs Putin addressed with his very complete speech. I’ll repeat one aspect of my comments related to his speech–that Russia cannot live on the knife edge of immanent war “because Russia cannot exist in this way.”
So yes, something must give way. Putin charged Lavrov with keeping his efforts up despite their lack of tangible results–jaw jaw being better than war war. Otherwise, there really aren’t any other hints of what might be done; although as I noted, Putin’s admission about Russia not needing any conflicts might be seen as a sign of weakness by others.
Perhaps the best thing Putin can do is to tell those at the Outlaw US Empire that if Donbass is attacked, the first retaliatory missile will be aimed at Goldman Sachs or some other Wall Street parasite for the Neoliberal Duopoly is the entity directing the chaos. He might even make such an announcement publicly as an inducement to end their childish behavior. Otherwise, arm and train the Donbass to the hilt.
Here’s the Russian transcript of Lavrov’s post-meeting presser related to the Lavrov video linked in the text above. One question asks about this:
“Recently, Russia’s position, its role in the internal Ukrainian settlement and approaches to holding a possible ministerial meeting in the “Normandy format” have been distorted. To prevent further speculation, the Russian Foreign Ministry decided to make public the primary sources and publish diplomatic correspondence of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov with the foreign ministers of Germany and France H. Maas and J.-I. Le Drian.”
The publishing of such internal communications is an extremely extraordinary event that violates usual diplomatic protocol. Here’s the link to that PDF document that’s completely in Russian.
IMO, what follows was the most important exchange at the presser. Perhaps the mod can translate the slang term in the last paragraph:
“Question: The escalation in the Black Sea continues. The West continues to finance, and now not only promises, but also supplies weapons. Russian President Vladimir Putin paid great attention to this today. Do you think it’s time to switch to new tools to explain that this is destabilizing the situation in the whole region and in the world? Do you have a new task from Russian President Vladimir Putin today?
“Sergey Lavrov: Russian President Vladimir Putin has set out our assessments of what is happening in the Black Sea and the Black Sea region quite clearly and in detail. We see conscious provocations, a situation that has been repeatedly described by artists, writers, filmmakers. In particular, in the film ‘Wag the Dog’ (‘Tail wags the dog’). Everything that is happening now largely reflects the desire of the Kiev regime to present itself as a victim of ‘Russian aggression’, which they either see or deny.
“Remember, in the West there was a ‘noise’ that a large number of Russian troops were accumulating? Then the leaders of the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff of Ukraine said that nothing was happening on the border, everything was calm. But there are those, including the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky himself, who would like to stir up passions, to commit some kind of provocation so that Russia ‘breaks down’, in the hope that ‘abroad will help us’. Absolutely irresponsible statements were made: US Secretary of Defense Leonid Austin, when he was in Kiev, guaranteed that Ukraine would be in NATO; The British Defense Minister said that the ‘Foggy Albion’ will build naval bases on the Sea of Azov, will send its 600 paratroopers there to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression. On the one hand, these seem to be serious people, on the other hand, it is funny, on the third hand, it is very dangerous. Maybe they’re doing it just to divert attention from some other problems.
“The British now generally need to ‘pohorhori’ in the international arena. They have left the European Union, cannot get used to their new position and proclaimed their concept of a ‘global Britain’. Ostensibly, they will now project all their abilities globally. We need to assert ourself, I understand. It all looks both ridiculous and provocative at the same time. They are adults and cannot but understand that in Ukraine many people in the highest positions are just waiting for the West to make such a provocation, which will inevitably entail a Russian response. This should be understood in all Western capitals, especially in Washington. Without Washington, no one will say a word there, no one will lift a finger.”
I’d be very interested to read Russia’s newspapers tomorrow morning to see how this is all reported. I’m sure it will be discussed by the weekend TV talk shows, so they ought to be viewed too. None of what happened in Russia today is likely to be mentioned by BigLie Media so the West’s masses will remain ignorant. Well, except those few that read this section of this blog.
Google translation,MOD:
“pohorhori”-Slovak for “mountains”.
And now we have this.
This is big news, “Putin’s decree on Donbass is response to Kiev’s refusal to honor Minsk accords — envoy”
“‘The decree by President of Russia Vladimir Putin ‘On Rendering Humanitarian Assistance to the Population of Separate Districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions of Ukraine’ contributes to overcoming the aggressive economic and humanitarian blockade of Donbass and stabilizing the social and economic situation in the region,’ the Russian envoy stressed.
“‘This is a purely humanitarian response to Kiev’s non-fulfillment of the Minsk accords, the economic and transport blockade of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions that has been in place since 2017 and the liberation of the region’s residents from the economic stranglehold created by the Kiev regime,’ the envoy stressed at Minsk format talks….
“The Russian president’s decree “is a forced reply to Kiev’s actions that are intended to escalate the conflict and actually fall under the UN Genocide Convention,” Gryzlov pointed out.” [My Emphasis]
Lavrov promised something beyond a diplomatic act in response to the escalating NATO threat. To prevent genocide is a very big charge the West will not like whatsoever.
I suspect the Russians could be planning to pull a judo-type move and hoist the West on its own petard by implementing or taking specific actions to protect the breakaway republics under the so-called R2P aka Responsibility To Protect doctrine, a doctrine very much favoured by the West when it suits its own purposes.
I’ve published an article at my VK Space containing Putin’s decree and the analysis that it amounts to an R2P effort by Russia undertaken under the auspices of the UN’s Genocide protocol as noted by the linked TASS article.
Some understand this to be a major game changer but few seem to know or if they do have no idea as to its significance. Essentially, Putin has done what the Outlaw US Empire and NATO did to Libya, but in this case right on Russia’s doorstep where it holds all the cards, NATO having none. Checkmate!
What changes with Russian rhetoric on the ground ….. nothing. This is the third time in a hundred years that russian leaderships have tried to explain that there will be no European attack on the Russians. First it was the Emperor brothers, then the Proletarian brothers, today the Citizen brothers. Here is an example
RT today
NATO praises deployment of US nukes in Eastern Europe… https://www.rt.com/russia/540732-nato-us-eastern-eu/
In December last year, Lavrov’s deputy, Sergey Ryabkov, Moscow “hopes that the US will stop ‘sharing’ nuclear weapons with its allies, and stop deploying nuclear weapons in countries that do not possess such weapons… Obviously, this leads to destabilization and, in addition, new risks appear.”
one year later
……there had been fears Berlin would decline to purchase a new fleet of aircraft capable of launching atomic weapons, to replace its aging warplanes. However, Stoltenberg said he was confident the country would remain part of the pact because it offers Germany “a seat at the table.”
Well, «похорохориться» means to ruffle one’s own feathers, to show off, to look tough(er) than one is. Also, in plain Russian it is “повыебываться”. But those who “выебываются” typically “получают пиздюлей”, which in loose translation means “have their asses handed to them in the most undignified way”. In any case, no “mountains” are involved here :-)
Thanks, Andrei! This website is one of the few site I visit regularly to get realistic analyses of our world situation, so I can be better prepared. Thank God Almighty for the ability to prepare for the last 10 years for this horrible scenario. This is what we get for supporting atheistic West and their leaders in the West…who distracted the populace with all the social programs to keep subjects busy with their desires…so they would be blinded by them and not see the disastrous situation they have cornered the masses. No one can help now but God Almighty.
If you want to be saved, you are going to have to save yourself.
This much has been determined.
Yes always at the cutting edge of truth and in depth analysis.
Bonsoir Saker. J aurais 3 questions a vous poser concernant la situation conflictuelle entre la Russie et l Europe.
Je voudrais avoir votre avis sur la decision de l allemagne de repousser la certification de NS2.
Selon vous c est du a quoi et cela a ete decide dans quel but?
Depuis la pseudo crise des migrants entre la bielorussie et la pologne les medias francais (le monde et le Figaro en tete) et italiens (surtout la stampa et le corriere della sera) ont encore augmente la propagande anti russe. C est devenue une vraie propagande de guerre du meme style que la propagande anti russe qu on peut trouver en allemagne ou en angleterre. Je me suis demande pourquoi ils ont commence a faire toute cette propagande de guerre coordonnee maintenant meme en France et en Italie pays qui étaient restes jusqu a present moins russophobes que l allemagne ou l angleterre. C est comme si tous ces medias étaient en train de preparer l opignon publique partout en Europe a une grande crise avec la Russie.
D ou ma deuxieme question: considerant le niveau encore jamais atteint de la propagande anti russe des medias européens pensez vous que le risque qu une guerre en ukraine se generalise dans plusieurs pays du continent europeen soit plus important qu on a tendance a le penser?
Enfin toujours dans la propagande de guerre anti russe j ai vu emerger la meme affirmation dans les articles: le fait que la Russie attaquerait l ukraine en janvier 2022. Evidemment je me suis demande pourquoi ces medias de propagande ont commence a indiquer une date precise. J ai comme l impression que ces medias sont en train de preparer un possible scenario dans lequel le mauvais role sera evidemment attribué a la Russie.
D ou ma troisieme et derniere question: pensez-vous que l offensive ukrainienne dans le donbass pourrait avoir lieu dès janvier 2022?
Je vous remercie.
Yandex translation. Mod:
Good evening, Saker. I have 3 questions to ask you about the conflict situation between Russia and Europe.
I would like to have your opinion on the decision of Germany to postpone the certification of NS2.
What do you think it is for and it was decided for what purpose?
Since the pseudo-migrant crisis between Belarus and Poland, the French (le monde and Le Figaro in particular) and Italian (especially la stampa and corriere della sera) media have further increased anti-Russian propaganda. It has become a real war propaganda of the same style as the anti-Russian propaganda that can be found in Germany or England. I wondered why they started doing all this coordinated war propaganda now even in France and Italy countries that were until now less Russophobic than Germany or England. It’s as if all these media are preparing the public option all over Europe — a big crisis with Russia.
D or my second question: considering the level of anti-Russian propaganda in the European media that has never been reached, do you think that the risk of a war in Ukraine becoming widespread in several countries on the European continent is greater than we tend to think?
Finally, always in the anti-Russian war propaganda, I saw the same statement emerge in the articles: the fact that Russia would attack Ukraine in January 2022. Obviously I wondered why these propaganda media started to indicate a specific date. I have the impression that these media are preparing a possible scenario in which the wrong role will obviously be attributed to Russia.
D or my third and final question: do you think that the Ukrainian offensive in the donbass could take place as early as January 2022?
Thank you very much.
I will reply in English, since you can read it.
1) the goal here is just to buy time for the current crisis to boil over
2) yes, absolutely!
3) It can happen anytime between now and the foreseeable future
That being said, to launch a land attack in the winter is not impossible, but a generally bad idea. Ditto for the spring, the best time to attack in early summer. But if the goal is just to force Russia to intervene, then anytime will do just fine
Kind regards
Andrei
Merci pour votre reponse.
En lisant ce que vous m avez repondu une consideration m est venue en tete.
L ukraine a deja lance deux operations dans le donbass que l ukraine a perdues sans que la Russie n ait a intervenir. Qu est qui ferait qu en cas de troisieme offensive la Russie serait obligée d intervenir? Je n ai pas l impression que l armee ukrainienne se soit beaucoup renforcee depuis 2015.
Yandex translation. Mod:
Thank you for your answer. Reading what you answered me a consideration came to mind. Ukraine has already launched two operations in the Donbass that Ukraine has lost without Russia having to intervene. What would make Russia obliged to intervene in the event of a third offensive? I don’t have the impression that the Ukrainian army has strengthened much since 2015.
“Then there is this: while historically Ukrainian are nothing but “Russians under Polish occupation”, the past 30 years have created a new, very different nation.”
Very unlikely that this can happen in 30 years, especially without any good reason that the whole world would understand. Is the voice or opinion of the Ukranian people well-represented by the media?
How many generations did it take to turn the civilized Germans into Nazis?
Here is what the great Serb poetess Desanka Maksimovic had to say about their civilisation. Serb stanzas are succeeded by English ones.
Освајачи – Десанка Максимовић
The Conquerors by Desanka Maksimovic
У обичном животу Немци су, велите,
учтива, углађена бића,
нису лопови ни убице,
пуше лулу, пију пиво,
доручкују масла и меда.
Можда је то и тако,
али што се то тиче нас,
кад је њихово заједничко
стоглаво лице
пуно крви и ужаса,
кад на све туђе гледа
или надмено или криво.
So, you say in everyday life,
The Germans are polite, sophisticated creatures,
Not murderers or thieves,
Smoking their pipes, quaffing their beer,
And breakfasting on butter and honey.
That might as well be so,
But what do we care,
When their common
Hundred-headed face,
Full of blood and horror,
Gazes at the Other
In contempt or disregard.
И, велите, родољуби су они,
за домовину без размишљања гину.
Нека је и тако,
али наше родољубе они су пљували,
наше најсветије борце
разбојницима звали,
понизили нам земљу до скота;
кад они убијају, јунаштво то је,
кад ми свој живот бранимо,
дивљаштво и срамота.
They are patriots, you say,
Dying for the Fatherland without a thought.
Even if it were thus,
But our patriots they spat on,
Called our holiest warriors bandits.
And demeaned our country into the mud;
When they kill, they call it gallantry,
When we defend our lives,
-Barbarity and infamy.
И, велите, њихова деца су чиста;
подсечених ноктића, умивеног лица
лепршају као цвеће.
Вероватно је и тако,
али што се то тиче нас,
због њих наша деца прљава,
и без мајки ходе,
због њих код нас тече
место песме јаук и поклич буна,
и крв место пераће воде.
Their children are clean, you claim,
With nicely trimmed nails and washed faces,
Floating like flowers on the breeze
This might well be true,
But as far as we are concerned,
Because of them, our children are dirty,
Wandering around motherless,
Because of them, instead of a song,
By us you’ll hear a moan or a rebel’s cry,
And wash in blood instead of water.
И Немица је, кажете, љупка,
има женствена недра, округла,
и образе румене,
и беспрекорна је мати.
Али што се то тиче нас,
и она је на наш народ
бацала ругла
и мирно седела на кућном прагу
док син њен негде прогони и стреља,
док сав свет због земље њене пати.
И она је нашој деци из уста
залогај отела.
The German woman is lovely, you state,
Shapely, with lovely breasts,
And rosy cheeks,
She is a mother without fault,
But if you ask us,
She impugned our nation
And contentedly sat by her front door
While her son is hunting and shooting,
While the whole world suffers because of her land,
She also took our children’s bread.
Они, велите, воле своје огњиште,
сваки око куће градину има,
и дуж путева засађено воће.
Али у земљи нашој
они су оставили згариште,
усеве претворили у барјаке дима,
и кроз тишину наших питомих села,
дерали се ужасни, ужасно.
They love their hearth, you say,
Every one of them has an orchard,
And fruit trees mark their roads,
But our country they burned down,
Turned our crops into columns of smoke,
And through the quiet of our peaceful villages,
Screamed horribly—the horrors.
И кад мислим на њину вику,
на њине луле, пиво, децу, жене,
на доброћудно лице им домаће,
воћке крај пута засађене,
руке чисте као од злата,
дође ми да вичем из свег грла:
живели народи прљавих ноката,
а срца чиста;
живели народи што код своје куће
псују из гласа,
а боје се на сенку правде да стану;
живели народи чије жене носе
оружје иза паса;
чија деца чупава ходе;
живели народи чије опште лице
благом светлошћу блиста!
And when I think of their screaming,
Their pipes, beer, kids and women,
Their homely benign faces,
And fruit trees by the road,
I feel like shouting from the core of my being:
Long live the peoples whose nails are dirty,
And hearts pure,
Long live the nations that swear loudly
In their homes,
Yet are terrified of offending justice;
Long live the peoples whose women
Carry weapons in their sashes;
Whose children are unkempt;
Long live the peoples whose common face
Radiates a delicate light!
Amen, comrade!
As I guess you Serbian, I would only wish you would be able to understand Spanish to hear the last editorial by Spanish journalist and writer, currently exiled in Florida, César Vidal, on Javier Solana and his crimes against humanity, especially against the Serbian and Yugoslavian people, in the context of his ( Solana´s) recents words criminalizing the unvaccinated in Spain and Europe….Btw, notice that, at certain age, anyone has really the face he/she deserves….
https://cesarvidal.com/la-voz/editorial/editorial-remember-javier-solana-18-11-21
Only for you to know that here, in the core of Europe, I fear that even inside Germany, there are people with nails as “dirty” as yours, but of working hard for to make a living and pay taxes for decades, now being labeled untermenschen and being excluded from society on the leadership of the kind of Solana…Only such a leadership should make those for now thinking and supporting the same to reflect what they are really supporting here…
I would not discard they are trying to erase any kind of dissent for a unified consensus in the preparations of war…
Jacob’s Ladder
Thank you for this poignant poem!
It is a cry from the heart.
so moving.
Reminds me of my people, also permanent enemies of Empire for 1000 years..
They can’t kill us all!
We too have become rough and ugly on the outside, malnourished children playing in the mud outside, despised and ridiculed everywhere on Earth through the legitimizing propaganda of the beautiful civilized ones..
But in our simple homes is such peace and such contentment inside our breast, which if they knew, they would kill for all over again!
A heartfelt poem. It has also a deeper level: it reveals how every in-group behaves well towards its own members, but is always prepared to treat members of human out-groups no better than animals.
Perhaps there are some human groups to whom that description does not apply. But if so, they are well concealed.
I suspect about the same amount of time that it took to turn the whole western world into the Nazi’s that they’ve now become.
Agreed
I would supply LDNR with the material means to nullify the threats posed by the weapons recently supplied to Banderastan.
This strategy would be sustainable if its cost was less or comparable to the one Western provocateur powers have made, and are willing to make, i.e now, and in the near future. Is it?
OR……
Russia could nationalize all pipelines carrying hydrocarbons to the EU, Ukraine, Moldova, Baltics…. via creation of an SOE for that purpose…
Let us call it RosPipe OAO..
To include SouthStream, NordStream 1 & 2, and all the others.
GazProm would transfer all pipeline assets to it. Russia would simply claim ownership of the rest.
THEN….
RosPipe could declare the need to survey all the pipelines, for the purpose of determining their suitability for use, considering their age.
THEN….
RosPipe could declare that the pipelines, need emergency repairs to protect the environment, and shut them down.
THEN…
RosNeft, GazProm etal., could declare that pipeline transmission of hydrocarbons is old technology, that tankers are more flexible, more efficient, and fit modern conditions better.
THEN…
Russia could declare all delivery contracts via pipeline to the EU are null and void, because the means cannot work anymore.
THEN…
RosNeft, GazProm could offer the EU product on a cash in advance basis, at spot prices, Roubles only, no Euros, no guarantees of delivery.
THEN…
Russia need do nothing…. just wait for the house of cards that is NATO to collapse…
Ditto for the UkroNazis…. who get special treatment… via the Novorossians destroying their only refinery, the pipeline pumping stations, the electricity substations, the bridges, oil storage terminals, etc.
THEN..
The Novorossians need do nothing… just wait….
INDY
“… all it would take is a single Russian conventional missile strike somewhere deep inside the continental USA (even in a desert location) to convince the White House, the Pentagon or the CIA “get with the program” and seek a negotiated solution, leaving the Brits and the Poles utterly disgusted and looking foolish.”
I always thought that the strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were sticks up the nose of Stalin. “See what we can do, sucker? Now kneel!” Maybe history does more than repeat. Maybe it comes back to haunt us.
@Jon I agree, but at the same time they allowed Stalin huge scope in strengthening the Soviet position in the Far East. Maybe Roosevelt didn’t think the Russians would role the Japanese over as easily as they did. Maybe things changed when Truman took over. Anyway today the Russians have all sorts of agro around Europe but a very nice position in the Far East. The Kuril islands and Sakhalin that they gained in 1945 are very important strategically.
Read Wars Wilson on this, both his academic and popular writings.
The logical question arises – “nobody would be so crazy as to actually start a war, would they?” But western leadership, wherever you look, Brandon, Merkel, Macron, Johnson, all the Brussels nonentities, is the worst in its history. Arrogant, venal, corrupt, irredeemably and heroically ignorant, delusional and ideologically driven. It doesnt inspire much confidence. We needed a Bismarck or a Metternich and we get a Trudeau or a May (and possibly soon a Kamala.) And this has now been a constant in the western world for a period of decades. Consider for a moment the previous US regime – the Great Impresario-In-Chief, Trumpo The Magnificent, with a star studded supporting cast of close family members on the make and on the take, billionaires, superannuated generals, chancers, grifters, conmen, halfwits, religious nutjobs and certifiable lunatics, with a mutinous, seditious bureaucracy of neocons, spooks and dirty cops openly conspiring to undermine it at every conceivable opportunity. Or the equally dysfunctional and barely functioning Brandon Regime, which is scarcely a great improvement on the previous incumbent. With people of their ilk in charge (if only nominally) you have to accept that literally anything is possible.
I agree completely. The western leadership is capable of anything. No rational thoughts or actions. With all the threats, lies, and actions it looks like war has been decided on.
Who is Brandon? Is Brandon French?
I know that the Catholic Church was in bed with NATO during the Balkans war in the 1990s. Is there any chance that they are in bed with NATO on this current conflict too?
“Is there any chance that they are in bed with NATO on this current conflict too?”
NATO hijacked Throne of Saint Peter since untimely death of John Paul I. So infallible answer is – yes.
The Papacy is the progenitor of the imperialistic West (Crusades).
The CIA worked hand in hand with the Latins in Poland.
Now the Papacy is just the (very) junior partner to a much larger western imperialistic polity.
Simply put: they were always servants of Satan, no more, but no less.
Let’s not forget the invasion of Novgorod by Teutonic Knights under orders of St. Peter’s chair in the 1240’s. Sometimes history stutters.
very good point!
The papists got caught in a money laundering scheme back in August:
See: https://cordmagazine.com/world-news/vatican-indicts-cardinal-and-9-others-for-money-laundering/#
Apparently the vow of poverty doesn’t include the Holy See and his eminence the popish Capo. Since it’s the Vatican that is doing the investigation, I suspect Francis’s inner circle will remain protected as the “Finger of Michelangelo” points to others.
By the way, CORD appears to be a Serbian magazine that pays tribute to Russia as a trusted ally.
Dear Andrei.
In your very long article you have come up with a great idea.
I have condensed it into the following:
1) It would be necessary to bring a large enough force into the Voronezh-Kursk-Belgorod triangle to force the NAZIs to divert forces to the Belarussian border. 29
2) The Russian Black Sea Fleet should conduct operations along the Ukrainian coast, including near Odessa.
3) Russia should support Pro Russian forces to move along the coast of Crimea, maybe even up to the city of Kherson.
4) This will force the NAZIs to allocate forces to coastal defenses, thereby easing the load on the pro-Russian forces moving towards Kherson.
Maybe send Spetsnaz and Missiles into Romania to attack missile batteries in Romania.
After the attack, Russia should let the Spetsnaz move toward Odessa, while the Black sea Fleet is attacking “foreign” warships near Odessa harbor, or “foreign” warships entering the Black sea.
My comment:
YES, Odessa is the prime target.
“Odessa is a historic symbolic city for the Nazis, and the Empire has placed great efforts to control it”.
Odessa was the first place the Empire started riots in Ukraine, even before Nuland landed in Kiev.
Who can forget the NAZI murder of Union workers and the pregnant woman in Odessa.
“The population of Odessa is generally pro-Russian”.
“Odessa is one of the few cities in Nazi occupied Ukraine which could rise up against the Empire, especially if the Russian forces move along the coast towards Odessa”.
What will the western, in fact the entire global Population think?
Odessa? Isn’t that the city described in the post WWII book: The Odessa (Nazi) files?
Odessa? Wasn’t that where the neo Nazis in Ukraine killed a pregnant woman, and shot civilians?
Romania? What the F+++ are US Missiles doing in Romania?
What the F+++ are US and UK war Ships doing in the Black sea?
Andrei you are great.
Maybe send Spetsnaz and Missiles into Romania
Just to be clear here: I never even *suggested* that!
I very much doubt that the US/NATO will strike from Romania, because if they do, the launching centers and command posts will be vaporized, which will DIS-courage countries such as, say, Bulgaria, from becoming the next target.
@ Andrei
No It was my suggestion with the Spetsnaz.
Because it would flank Odessa from both sides. Making shure that the Pro Russian population in Odessa would raise up against the NAZI within Odessa. Thus creating hope for an uprising in Kiev.
And the NAZIs would flee back home to where they came from. to the west and North.
All done without Russian troops have entered Ukraine.
Russia would now have full control of eastern Ukraine and the Black sea coast of Ukraine.
Thereby blocking the Polish dream: The Inter-Marium. This would DIS-courage the Poles from taking Western Ukraine.
Instant stalemate.
It’s just not how special forces would be used.
If the Romanians strike Russia, they will get missiles, not special forces.
Given the fact, that most of the ordinary bulgarian citizens, doesn’t consider Russia to be a threat to them (but feel strongly against EU and NATO), it won’t take much effort on russian side to discourage Bulgaria to stay out of the debacle ;-)
No one will ask the Bulgarians – how many are they – Turks and Gipsies. They are already given to the Turks.
Odessa (in relation to the nazi papers) had nothing to do with the city.
Odessa ist an Acronym for “Organization DEr SS Abteilung”
No, it was Organisation der ehemaligen SS Angehörigen, but yes, no relation to the city of Odessa.
There are several explanations (usually by Germans) as to what the word Odessa stands for.
However, it doesn’t change the fact that during WWII, the British fleet dominated the Mediterranean Sea to blockade Germany of oil to its war machine.
Nazi Germany thus needed the port of Odessa for access to the black sea, to import oil from the Caspian region, and for troop deployments into the Middle East.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Odessa_(1941)
During the early phase of the German Operation Barbarossa, the Axis of Germany, Italy and Romania attacked Odessa on July 22, 1941, with groups of bombers raiding the city twice.
During this campaign, Odessa was attacked 4 times by the German 11th Army and the Romanian 4th Army.
However it took the Axis forces 73 days of siege to take the city.
The German description: Organisation der ehemaligen SS Angehörigen.
Translated into English: The organization of former SS members.
It covers former NAZI SS officers stranded in foreign Nations at the end of WWII.
Many of these members escaped, by support from the Vatican, in to Argentina and Israel.
Other NAZI members (Scientists) were transported via operation Paperclips into America.
However, many German officers were trapped and went into hiding behind the Iron Curtain, after WWII.
That includes Eastern Germany, Poland, the 3 Baltic States and Ukraine, including the city of Odessa.
In Germany, Former NAZI officers ruled the German Courts for 50 Years after WWII. https://www.rt.com/news/540662-nazis-germany-prosecutor-office-inquiry/
Even Norway, Sweden, and Denmark became hiding place for former NAZIs.
A side note:
Anni-Frid Lyngstadt of ABBA (winner of 1974 European Melody Grand Prix: Waterloo), was born out of a liaison between a German Officer and a young Norwegian woman, during WWII.
Her mother fled to Sweden after the war, because of persecution in Norway.
After Anni-Frid´s divorce from Benny Anderson (ABBA), she married the German Prince Heinrich Ruzzo Reuss von Plauen. When he died in 1999, she married the Saxon/British Graff Henry Smith von Hambleden.
69 years later, the 4th Reich rose and attacked Odessa.
Andrei,
Russia does not want war. In fact, Russia will do everything in her power to avoid a war. If a war cannot be avoided, Russia will delay the onset of that war as far into the future as possible.
Absolutely. VVP has bent over backwards to avoid war. And the world should be thankful for that. A lesser person would have struck out — and damn the consequences — in the face of all the provocations but not VVP. He’s cool and calculating, not prone to silly histrionics and hyperbole; on top of that he’s backed by first-class brains in diplomacy and defence. That are what make him and RF a formidable — and truth be told, terrfying — foe to their still-sentient foes in the Empire. VVP’s order to Gazprom to top up their storage tanks in their facilities in EU is an indication of his tireless efforts to build goodwill.
But should push comes to shove ie the Ukraine attack its own population in the Donbass, RF should go for option 4, to wit:
Giving cover to the LDNR forces to fully liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and the creation of a land corridor in the Mariupol-Berdiansk-Crimea area and then the liberation of the Ukainian coast along the Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa axis.
Maybe just stop short of Kherson — investing a large city takes a lot of resources. Apart from the coastal land bridge, option 4 will also create a security zone for the Crimea.
Union State regional forces can simultaneously make an appearance in the Ukraine’s north — viable since Luka has just requested several Iskander batteries from VVP.
When it comes to how far Russia ought to be pushing ( with Novorussia army as spearhead), that is very complicated Andrei. From an economic point of view, your proposed options 2 and 3 make perfect sense. Russia can more readily support and economically integrate this territory vs taking the enter Black sea coast and the central regions along the Don river+ Kharkov.
However, such a move much is fraught with a huge strategic dilemma. Specifically, while at this point there are only token NATO troops here and there and maybe not even stationed permanently, if Russia were to counterattack and have Novorussia extend to capture the entire territories of Donetsk/Luhansk oblasts and perhaps create a land bridge to Crimea and secure its water supply, such a move is guaranteed to prompt NATO into action under whatever pretext that may use ( they are very good of PR )
So Russia military would have to contend with a new situation where Instead of having token level of NATO troops here and there ( and mostly in western Ukraine and round Nikolayev)there will be all of sudden possible entire NATO divisions and Deep Strike tactical USA missiles along the Don river and around Kharkov. Does Russia want or even need for NATO bulk forces to move so close to its southern and central flank? Doubtful.
Not sure who they would solve this tactical dilemma. Whether they like it or not they may end having to move into Kharkov and occupy both banks of the Don and the entire southern Black Sea coast, whatever the cost to them.
I think from a strategic point of view, it would be worth just taking the southern flank (with a depth of no more than 100km north of the Black Sea cost) all the way to Kherson and also taking the Budjak ( the south western corner parched between Romania and Moldova. Budjak territory is fairly pro Russian , thinly populated, would give then direct link to Transdinester Republic and last but not least would enable Russia to place both Iskander and S-400 missile effectively rendering USA 3 bases in Romania strategically useless.
If they can manage Stalingrad with 1,000,000 people, cut off from main land Russia, I am sure they can manager $ 500,000 people in most rural Budiak whose life will be not much different, and certainly not worse off under Russians. Going west for entire Donetsk and north for entire Luhansk would add little strategic value to Russia. There is only value for the Russian going along the Black See coast but not too far north off it shore ( maybe 100km for some strategic depth).
you wrote :
“…here will be all of sudden possible entire NATO divisions and Deep Strike tactical USA missiles along the Don river and around Kharkov…”
you are right! they will teletransport them there with the help of Mr Spock and the Captain Kirk.
also…
“Does Russia want or even need for NATO bulk forces to move so close to its southern and central flank? ”
the answer is yes, please! as much as possible. They are easier to target when they are closer.
“NATO divisions”.
Are there any? This is a serious question. How many actual, equipped and manned divisions do you think NATO less the USA can produce? I’ll bet they couldn’t raise five in a period of three months. Earlier this year Russia mobilised a lot more than that in a few weeks. And, as to the USA, it only has a couple of brigades in Europe. The multi-national battle groups in the Baltics and Poland are jokes that the Russians won’t even bother with. Apart from nukes and airpower and some naval assets, NATO is a paper pussycat. And that’s ignoring all the woke stuff.
Yes, that is a problem, the less Russia takes the easier she can absorb the territory, however if she takes too little, Ukraine as a state remains viable and can be re-organised by NATO. This war needs to be the final war of the Ukrainian state, Russia cannot simply take some territory and make Minsk 3. And let Ukraine rebuild and re-arm for 7 more years before a repeat.
How about a simple and elegant move : Russia annexes Donbass for Christmas , and validates the process via a referendum before year end ? Out and over :)
2. The West, whose leaders are quite aware of this fact, does not want an open shooting war with Russia.
Saker, You say that the above point is not controversial. But I am not so sure.
Leadership in the West is fractured among different groups. One group, the ‘Atlanticists/Globalsists’ (anchored in London and who control, among others, NATO, the EU, and the ‘Left’ side of US politics) have as their ultimate goal a system of ‘Global Governance’ under ‘Global Institutions’. This is the Globalist Elites’ project to subordinate global civilization to their dictatorial control for decades and centuries to come.
However, with opposition to this project led by Russia and China, and indeed nationalists in both Europe and the U.S., this Global Empire project is on the verge of collapse. With the pace of development of both economic and military power of Russia and China, combined with to the West’s slow motion economic collapse, the window of opportunity for the Globalist project may be short indeed.
Given that their ‘world without borders’ doesn’t need nation states, these ‘Globalists’ may well see a shooting war between Russia and the U.S. as a win-win opportunity..
Andrei,
The only problem with your analysis is that one have nothing to add or opose, rendering comments useless.
Since others are posting comments, your opinion is not widely shared, apparently :-)
The Saker, I appreciate and enjoy reading your analysis. I have a couple follow up questions:
1. Why, after 2 very bloody, albeit ultimately successful wars in Chechnya, is Vladimir Putin so timid to forcefully liberate Ukraine from the Fascists?
2. I have visited Ukraine 4 times in the last 6 years, including the cities you highlighted in this article: Poltava, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Zaporozhya…the people seem to be not as brainwashed as some of the nazis in Kiev proper. If Chechnya is a calm and developed oblast now after 2 bloody wars then surely those cities mentioned above can be rehabilitated after a comprehensive De-nazification program, right?
3. I am currently in Riga, Latvia, my wife is Latvian and also part Russian…do you mind elaborating on why the Latvia and the Baltics in general would be so keen to trigger a war with Russia given that it would be absolutely suicidal?
P.S. The economy here in Latvia is in shambles, ironically I think the economic prospects in Ukraine are better than Latvia in the long term…we live in the Center of Riga and literally every other storefront is vacant with a For Rent sign in the window, all of the young people leave to England or other Eu countries after they graduate high school. This country seems doomed…
1) nope, nor should he. He is the President of Russia, not the savior of the Ukraine
2) nope, Chechens are proud people, Ukies are eternal losers
3) because, as you know, the 3B are an economic disaster, so all they can “sell” is their hate or Russia and their total obedience to the USA
What needs to happen is for Russia to offer troops to help Trump and General Flynn and their mass of supporters deal with the globalist swine who are trying to destroy the US and the world.
Just as the Czar Alexander II offered them to President Lincoln in 1863 when the wicked EU money changers were about to attack him over his taking control of the US monetary system. If Stalin, Kruschev or Brezhnev were alive the same would happen.
Then both of them (Russia & US forces) sweep into the EU, UK and Switzerland and clean out the elite corrupt scum & villainy there and fix things up properly for all time.
Also the UK military ought to arrest the entire UK cabinet over whats going on there.
The situation currently justifies all this. No question.
“What needs to happen is for Russia to offer troops to help Trump and General Flynn ”
That would be disaster for Russia. Trump is representative of just another facet of US establishment. It is not in the interest of any kind of US goverment to be friends with Russia.
As long as crypto-feudal oligarchy rules USA.
The worst option for the Russia is the POTUS that would unite Americans around one coherent policy.
Luckily for the World, that is highly unlikely.
I disagree – the average American respects Russia and Russians. They are tough, mean and lean people who have had rough time over the years.
Its only the EU elites that have had the US as their running dog since about 1920.
I’d rather not have Russia support Trump. Trump, deep state, war party, bleedthrough of policy and allies with Obama/Clinton/Biden, etc. were still partaking in anti-russia actions.
(I strongly view the US as fully destabilized after 2020)
Andrei My Orthodox Brother,
With Washington basically waging a war against half the people here at home in the USA I honestly don’t know who’d be stupid enough to want to fight in the US Armed Forces in a theoretical conflict between the US and Russia or China or even Iran or the DPRK. I mean if I was serving in the armed forces right now I for one would be resisting the COVID vaccination, number two if our Neocon psychopaths started a war with any of these nations I would seriously think of playing the conscientious objector card.
I don’t know any Patriotic American who is preoccupied with Russia or China right now. We are too busy worrying about what that senile Old Bastard in the White House will do next or when our own Cold Civil War will officially become a Hot Civil War (something that is just a spark away).
In the past Washington could start a foreign conflict as a distraction as many said Clinton did when he bombed Serbia supposedly to protect the Ethnic Albanians of Kosovo. I don’t think that could happen today. Over half the country does not trust it’s own government. We think the real enemies of the United States are the traitors to the Constitution and the Republic within our own government. I could be wrong but I truly think the Biden Administration will be hard pressed to find any support (outside the Beltway of course) for another foreign military escapade right now.
The Democrats want to see the military turned on Patriotic Americans for goodness sake and vice versa. Many Trump supporters wanted to see Trump declare martial law to prevent the cheater and chief Joe Biden from taking office. I just can’t see anyone in America having the stomach for a foreign war at this time. We want a Civil War this time. Not a foreign one.
Now that does not mean the bastards in Washington won’t egg on the crazies in Ukraine or anywhere else Not to start a war with Russia.
Russia is now no different on this front they to are mandating this vaccine. Why would russia do this as they see the conflict it is creating within the USA
I hate to say this but if Russia uses options 1 or 2 it is imperative for them to hit military targets even if it means killing some NATO troops from select nationalities. Any NATO forces organized from eastern NATO including Poland and also the U.S. to deter the bully. Avoiding German, Italian, Bulgarian, and French troops should be an imperative.
Ever since the U.S. killed Russian peace keepers via proxy in Georgia, we got it into our heads that war is a one way street. It has no cost for us, the lack of Russian response means that everyone backs down to the almighty U.S. as long as there is a lunatic (or weak) President at the helm. Forcing the U.S. to ignore half a dozen casualties would go a long way to making us more cautious. Do I want this? No, no, and no. Just giving my honest opinion about how we think.
Would this coalesce an anti-Russia bloc? As long as you avoid German, French, Bulgarian, Italian, (you get the idea) troops you will drive a wedge. Who cares if you piss off the Polish, Baltic states, and Romania even more, they are already off the rails and take their marching orders from the U.S.
BTW I’m not talking about gratuitously targeting NATO troops, just that Russia should target valuable, and necessary military assets but only take heroic measures to avoid western NATO. I already assume that Russia would do its best to minimize casualties.
Chuba….
§§§§~…”…Ever since the U.S. killed Russian peace keepers via proxy in Georgia, we got it into our heads that war is a one way street. It has no cost for us, the lack of Russian response means that everyone backs down to the almighty U.S…..”
Concur, there is a now widely embedded belief that the US can kill Russian soldiers/kremlin mercenaries with impunity.
Even Mike Pompeo believes it:
https://www.reuters.com › article › us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-casualtie-idUSKCN1FZ2DZ
About 300 men working for a Kremlin-linked Russian private military firm were either killed or injured in Syria last week, according to three sources familiar with the matter.
The truth about the brutal four-hour battle between …
https://www.independent.co.uk › news › world › battle-syria-us-russian-mercenaries-commandos-islamic-state-a8370781.html
The truth about the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria. Up to 300 Russian and Syrian fighters killed in the attack
How That Massive Battle Between US Troops And Russian …
https://taskandpurpose.com › bulletpoints › russian-mercenaries-syria-firefight
Zero American troops were harmed, and somewhere around 300 Syrian and Russia forces were killed. The rest, as they say, is history: Jared Keller. is the executive editor of Task & Purpose. His …
(VIDEO) Both Largely Ignored by MSM: Trump Kills 300 …
https://kevinwhiteman.com › 2021 › 09 › 18 › video-both-largely-ignored-by-msm-trump-kills-300-russian-mercenaries-in-syria-biden-kills-10-innocent-people-in-kabul
The US had previously only confirmed killing 100 or so pro-Syrian regime forces, but multiple outlets reported the number was as high as 300 and that the soldiers were Russian military contractors. The February battle was reportedly incredibly one-sided, as a massive column of mostly-Russian pro-Syrian regime forces approached an established US position in Syria and fired on the location.
US General Confirms 200-300 Russians Were Killed by US …
Removed. Please don’t put the same story link over and over – 2 is enough, especially when its all MSM….Mod.
@White Whale
Battle of Khasham
F-22 fighter jets
F-15E fighter jets
B-52 bombers
AC-130 gunships
AH-64 Apache attack helicopters
M777 howitzer artillery
M142 HIMARS rocket artillery
Used for 4 hours on 1 ambushed infantry battalion, without air (or any) support. New meaning for Overkill. Big mistake of Syrians & friends to walk in such trap.
On brighter side, this “battle” should be used as reminder for Ukies & Tripp-!wires what to expect when (if) walk in the Donbas.
I think you have been overly dismissive of the NATO “tripwire” forces in the Ukraine. I’m no international lawyer, but doesn’t armed conflict between Russia and NATO forces immediately permit NATO forces to attack Russia anywhere on its territory? The obvious place would be the Kola peninsula – I went for a cruise from Bergen to Kirkenes in 2018, and the coast is crawling with NATO warships. The Norwegian province of Finnmark is one of the key training areas for UK ground forces, appropriately since the Royal Navy discovered the ice-free port of Murmansk in 1916 (the first buildings were prefabricated wooden huts from Scott’s Antarctic Expedition). Possibly non-NATO Finland would join in – they inflicted one of the most humiliating defeats ever on Russia/Soviet Union at Suomussalmi in Arctic Finland in 1940, and would be keen to recover Eastern Karelia, especially what was Finland’s second city, Viipuri.
Another unknown is the US-Japan defence agreement, which seems to require the US to defend the Senkaku islands against.China. The channel between the main Japanese islands of Honshu and Hokkaido consists of two narrow channels with a wide bay between them. Chinese and Russian warships recently conducted manoeuvres in the larger of the two channels, claiming it was an international waterway. This was very unwise on Russia’s part. How much prodding would Japan now need to use the US defence treaty and solidarity with the US, to recover the four largest Kurile islands closest to Hokkaido, like Eastern Karelia stolen and depopulated by Stalin? Kunashiro is only eight miles from the Hokkaido coast.
Banzai!
I think you have been overly dismissive of the NATO “tripwire” forces in the Ukraine. I’m no international lawyer, but doesn’t armed conflict between Russia and NATO forces immediately permit NATO forces to attack Russia anywhere on its territory?
NATO does not need any legal reason to attack anyone, they will just do it if they think they can get away with it.
True. But unlike countries like Iraq, Lybia and Afghanistan, Russia and China could pacify US with extreme prejudice even without the use of nuclear weapons ;-)
“NATO does not need any legal reason to attack anyone, they will just do it if they think they can get away with it.”
Which means they expect not to get away with IT, this time. Bully had to persuade unwilling members of the pack to come with him into fight. Rather useless as fighters, they can be wery usefull dead. If Russians refuse to kill them, there is always option of “friendly fire”.
In theory, that should guarantee full support of those skittish Europeans.
Wrong. They‘ll send 3b, Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians … and will “defend Ukraine till the last Ukrainian“. Not mentioning the 1.5 mio Turkish Army.
The whites won‘t need to fight, according to plan.
“The whites won‘t need to fight, according to plan.”
A plan worthy of the greatest strategist in history!
“If you want to win you must not lose” – Number One (Alan Ford)
“Finland would be keen to recover Eastern Karelia,”
No, because Eastern Karelia is what Ukraine is to Russia. Underdeveloped and in bad need of upgrading of just about everything.
I agree. I have many Finnish contacts and in conversation, I always raised this topic: “just how valuable is Eastern Karelia to you? would you want to fight to get it back?” ALL respondents have stated “no way / no need”…
Eastern Karelia is not interesting from a sovereignty perspective but there have been some interesting developments in recent years: Russian investors have been cleaning up some parts and created some Dacha Villages …and have invited Finnish companies to participate in the construction of the homes…Finnish families are welcome to settle there…
A Swiss friend who worked for a multinational as area manager stated to me that during the 1970-80s he regularly traveled by car on weekend jollies with work colleagues, travelling from Helsinki to Vyborg and was impressed by the lack of border formalities and friendliness of Russians towards Finns. The border between Russia and Finland was literally porous, in spite of a wide No-Mans-Land ….but never abused, by either side.
Relations between Finns and Russians as people have deteriorated dramatically since the collapse of the Soviet Union. I was married to a Finnish woman in the 1980’s, and her father, who had lost three brothers in the Winter War and the Continuation War, was respectful of Orthodox Christianity and considered Finns and Russians alike victims of Communism. At the time the word “neuko” (may have two k’s), merely a contraction of the Finnish for “Soviet Union” had the same implication as “wog” in English – people were dirty, lazy and dishonest and nothing worked. More contempt than hate. Around 10% of Finns were then members of the Finnish Orthodox Church.
The flood of dishonest economic migrants in the 1990’s, and then Putin’s updating of Nicholas I’s “Pravoslaviye, Samoderzhaviye i Narodnost’ (Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Voelkischkeit – there is no English equivalent) changed that. About a decade ago Putin threatened that it was dangerous even to talk about the return of Viipuri. Finland has a “Church Tax” system similar to the “Kirchensteuer” in German-speaking countries, with church subscriptions assessed and collected through the secular tax system. The proportion of Finns registered as Orthodox has fallen to below 1%. The contempt felt for Soviet citizens has now hardened to blazing racial hatred of Russians, largely as a consequence of a refusal to admit and resolve the crimes of Stalinism, especially those deriving from the Hitler-Stalin Pact, like the Winter War against Finland and the deportations to Siberia of much of the population of the Baltic states. A sick Estonian joke dating from my first visit to Tallin in 1987 runs”Q-What is the largest country in Europe. A. Estonia – it has its capital on the Baltic and most of its population in Siberia”
After Leningrad, both Finns and Estonians did well.
NATO trip wire forces? You mean the 33 Turkish spec ops who were bomb by su34? I dont recall seeing any tripwires? Just a blown up turkish convoy. Seems article V doesnt work too well.
The West is heavily economically dependent on China. Europe is heavily dependent on Russia for energy. An attack on Iran would result in closing the Strait of Hormuz at the least, devastation of Saudi oil fields (and, incidentally, Israel) at the worst, which would wreak the Western economies. In spite of all the possibilities, tension and saber rattling, I simply do not believe a significant war is likely. Even with a miscalculation, there will be a rapid pullback when energy prices skyrocket. The bottom line for the West is the bottom line. The ultimate shot callers are big business and Wall Street, not ideology, values or culture. Purported ideology, values and culture in the West are simply a mask for the real driver–profit.
I agree 100%.The only thing which matters for western oligarchs, transnational corps, royalties, davos crowd, banksters, politicos is MONEY.Their confort, their luxurious life, stealing money from the poors, faking stats, printing money like crazy.If a war starts, the stock exchanges will collapse in a few hours, energy prices will reach never seen before levels, this will put their economy in recession or worse.Their peasants will all become yellow vest instantly even with their c19 lockdown, state of emergency etc..they will not have enough police to calm things down.Some like Macron must be reelected in a few months.You will see them asking for capitulation faster than you believe they are strong.They will just want to save face in some way and do damage control.They will even do the dirty job of eliminating the nazis, zelinsky and co if it is the price to pay to stop the mess they will be in.
Nato, EU, US, UK will fall to the lowest possible level of credibility after such a debacle.Division will metastase between them.They will not try to poke the bear before long and won’t try to kill the dragon either for Taiwan.
The end of a unipolar world, corona, economic instability, western civilization crisis, energy crisis, global warming … and much more. I think we have perfect ingredients in alignment for a new world war. For anglozionists, this is the last train to catch before they disappear from the world scene, and this is where I see the danger of starting a new conflict. If anything, I think anglozionist are trying to buy time this time by provoking a war, and slowing down economies that threaten their status. We all see the pattern revealing in a broad daylight, and they don’t care if caught lying, killing, doing whatever they see fit. The question of “red lines” for Russia (and the world) is already breached.
“Whatever legal pretense can be wrapped around a Russian liberation of the Ukraine, the reality is that whatever land Russia does liberate, she will then own and have to administer.”
Why? This is not required by the Geneva Convention unless there is a formal occupation.
Russia can simply topple the Kiev regime, destroy the neo-Nazi battalions, disarm the Ukraine military and ship every single Ukrainian military asset back to Russia (or destroy it), install a puppet regime – then go home. And I mean, go home. Withdraw every single Russian soldier and military asset that crossed the Russian border back across that border (absent some military advisers to the eastern Ukraine militias).
What can Ukraine or NATO or the US do then? It will take them a decade or more to reconstruct Ukraine, reconstruct a Ukraine military and develop the ability to threaten the east or Russia again. In the meantime, Russia can take all kinds of steps to obstruct any such attempt. Not to mention that the US and NATO will find it prohibitively expensive to even try.
Why? This is not required by the Geneva Convention unless there is a formal occupation.
Besides the Geneva Conventions, there is an entire corpus of legal instruments regulating the laws of war. Also, common sense: if they Russians occupy any territory who, besides them, can pay pensions, run hospitals or fix bridges?
Hi Saker,
Could Russia do something similar to their intervention in Georgia? Defang the Ukraine military and then leave? If the Donbass was not under constant attacks then they could better focus on rebuilding the country with some limited aid perhaps. This is a much more complex situation than Georgia was so I am probably missing something here.
Could Russia do something similar to their intervention in Georgia? Defang the Ukraine military and then leave?
In theory yes. But the problem is how to secure the protection of the Russian people of the Ukraine. So in Georgia they recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia, they should do the same with the LDNR and they deploy enough Russian forces there to make further attacks very dangerous.
Precisely on point. But having a small force protecting the Donbass and down to Odessa is not an “occupation”.
Reread what I suggested. I said “disarm the Ukraine military”. If Ukraine doesn’t have an armed military, and the neo-Nazi battalions are destroyed on the battlefield, how much “protection” does the fully armed eastern Ukraine militias actually need – especially given the Russian military ability to project power across the border?
So there doesn’t have to be any significant number of Russian forces in Ukraine once the nationalist regime has been eliminated. At the very least, Ukraine will be “quiet” for quite some time and unable to foment any significant problems for Russia or eastern Ukraine. Any political and economic forces in Ukraine will be busy trying to rebuild themselves into something that can function at all. Most likely they will be fractured and it will take five or ten years to rebuild Ukraine into something that can cause problems for eastern Ukraine.
And if that happens, rinse and repeat.
Exactly what I was thinking from the first day of the false flag ‘migrant case’:
Bloomberg : “Nord Stream – 2” will definitely be destroyed in the event of a “Russian attack on Ukraine”.
It has been organised by MI6 + Poland and 3B.(not Nato or the EU as they are too stupid and divided for that, they would need 152 meeting to decide..)
+ probably Ukraine.
Luka fall in the trap as for the 33 wagner in the past.
And then you have Bojo who confirms : ”it is time for Europe to choose between NS2 and Ukraine(democracy, human rights, values etc..).
Western suspects are pushing the Z to start a war at any price including eventualy political asylum if he has to flee the country due to a Rus special op in Kiev.
Do you really believe UK has no underwater assets of much higher economic and strategic values that could be destroyed?
Bloomberg, if they really wrote such a stupid text, had just a wet dream.
everyone should listen to this interview, to gain a different perspective
https://guadalajarageopolitics.com/2021/11/11/gregory-copley-coup-season-in-africa-china-cant-go-to-war-west-becoming-soviet-union/
“Gregory Copley returns to discuss Africa and how the continent is largely rudderless, as it is no longer receptive to the West, and China has retreated as BRI has run out of cash. Coup season is back in Africa, as there is no downside for a putschist staging a coup nowadays (e.g. Guinea, Sudan). Conflicts center around territory, population, and resources (e.g. water). We also discuss the recent Algeria-Morocco conflict and the rumors of war as Algeria shut off a gas pipeline for the first time in 25 years. The same people who ran U.S. policy to break up Yugoslavia are doing it again in Ethiopia, using up what little is left of U.S. prestigious to create disaster. Mr. Copley gives an update on the US-China “New Total War” and why China cannot afford to go to war under any circumstances. Meanwhile, the U.S was given the Central Asian region on a plate and threw it away. He was recently in Uzbekistan talking to the highest levels of government, who are harboring great anger towards Washington. He believes re-unification of Taiwan with China is a “fiction” and that Taiwanese defensive capabilities are growing faster than Beijing’s offensive capabilities. He discusses unrestricted or hybrid warfare, the “global mass psychosis” and wave of panic which began in 2020, and the rise of tyranny in the West. He cites former Czech President Václav Klaus, who told him personally, that we didn’t get rid of the Soviet Union to create another one, which is what is happening in the EU, U.S., Canada, Australia, etc.”
This Copley guy sounds like an American disinformationist.
America and the West are *not* becoming the Soviet Union, as the Soviets had universal healthcare, guaranteed housing, free higher education, and other social welfare benefits for its citizens. These are all things that citizens of the “Land of the Free” at least do NOT have.
Instead, America and the West are only showing their true colors and revealing more openly what they have been for centuries: war criminal empires.
With all the Russiaphobic lunatics running around the power centers of the West, hard to see the specifics except that war with Russia rather than China is the more likely. Syria is not likely as that will draw in Israel and Iran. The Iranians are too capable of inflicting huge amounts of damage on Israel and any surrounding Western allies. So Ukraine, you are up to bat. The timing will be around the American mid-term elections with both democrats and republicans chest pounding swearing to protect the Ukraine. But the question is whether Zelensky would start a war without the permission of the United States? And for some reason this seems important, what about the Germans delaying Nord Stream 2 certification until some corporate legal requirements are met which from my experience can take a very long time. Is Nord Stream 2 dead until 2023 or 2024? Ukraine and Poland and UK placaded?
The zionists love to divide and conquer, and as war preparations are fabulously expensive, why does not Russia return the favour with a peace dividend to the Ukraine.
All Russian leaning Ukrainians could apply for a special Russia-Ukrainian passport, with attached bank account. Russian profits from gas transport, through the Ukraine could be divided amongst these passport holders, plus special payments, according to Russian discretion.
Russia now knows where the heart of the Ukrainian citizens lie, and with expected booming profits from oil/gas prices, the costs to Russia would be relatively negligible!
Time is on Russia’s side, they only need to wait patiently for the opposing forces to collapse under their own delusions!
There is a self-inflicted energy crisis in the EU, mainly due to short term thinking and half-baked and ridiculous “green” policies.
The economic standard of living before the pandemic was degraded, now, with further inflation, people are unable to pay their bills.
If this is not enough, we have already a 5th wave of the pandemic this winter.
If clowns like Johnson or Macron wish to defend Ukraine and the European media plays Russo-phobic propaganda, it remains a virtual game. Where is the audience here?
Every hour/day/week/month Putin can delay war is precious, since not only Ukraine but the whole EU is unstable.
Cheers from France.
If Russia has the best weapons in the world and the best soldiers, then I don’t see a problem. Time and time again it is shown how incompetent and blackmailed politicians, diplomats, businessmen can complicate the life of an ordinary person of any country. They never look first and foremost at the legitimate national interests of their country and people. Internationalism is possible only if you have set boundaries, if you have sovereign control of your economy and banks, if the government respects the Constitution approved by the people. Only then is it possible for neighbors to respect each other. Russia is trying to escape what is obviously waiting for it. The Anglo-Americans will not allow Russia and China to get stronger to start a war thoughout proxies. They respect only the strong, not the weak. This is how the life is formulated in the west savannah. To change it, others must be willing to grab predators by the neck. Awareness of a different life approach cannot be transmitted to the world without the power to persuade other humanoids with little brain. So Russia and China are, in my opinion, at odds with the reality that is still determined by the West. In order to set their own way of civilization, they have to fight the way. There is no sense persuading even small children by empty rethoric, Anglo-American vassals. Russia must take on patriarchal paternal aproach, which means a slap for children to be directed the right path. Otherwise, even adolescents in chotic world do not perceive them as a role model. Somehow it seems that Russia is afraid of doing that, like it is afraid of responsibility, like it has no experiences in the past. It is similar with China. Maybe the two of them need to face the reality and this war will be the threshold they need to cross. The Anglo-Americans are already arming the universe. Will they wait until it’s over? There are many possibilities to destroy the Western kabala, but somehow Russia and China shy away of it. Why? At the same time they whine why the colonialists don’t change, as if they don’t know history. A cage is a cage no matter how golden it is. That cage is being made by western colonialists all over the world and it must be broken. They need to free themselves from fear first. This is the only way for the colonialists to go into the past, exist no other way. If they already listen to the global top of the pyramid that is behind the UN, and the West is not doing it because of its ubermensch peculiarity (which it wants to preserve), then they have advantage. Use that. The others are waiting.
i am equally confident that Russia will not follow the options 4, 5 and 6 above.
IMO option 4 is the most rational one. If we remember (i) even if Russia doesn’t get involved in LDNR on humanitarian ground, NATO-EU will slap more economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia in coming years, and (ii) Russia-China-Iran will remain the Hegemon’s biggest adversary in the decades to come, then it can be concluded that, it is time for Russia to take necessary actions for future federation of Russia-Belarus-Novorossia to rebuild Rus
I don’t see the Russophobes in Ukraine as a problem.
Just occupy the region and raise a new generation of pro Russian citizens.
Russia did the same with the Chechens rights?
Cut Ukraine into two. NATO can annex the Galicia rump state while Russia will annex the rest. That is the best solution in my view.
Russia did the same with the Chechens rights?
No, the Chechens actively participated in the liberation of Chechnia from the Takfiris.
Also, Chechens are formidable fighters, proud people.
Russia did not create the modern Chechens, they created themselves :-)
Cheers
Thank you so much Andrei
This is an excellent and readable analysis and essay on the situation in Eastern Europe.
One of your points interests me very much: “Actually, I think that the Ukraine is totally and terminally unsalvageable and the only good plan for anybody still living there is to do what millions of Ukrainians have already done: pack and leave.”
I agree about 95% with that statement. My rhetorical response, which you have already answered in your essay is, “Where are they going to go?” Your answer, in short, is the unskilled will migrate to the EU and work as cabbies and prosititues, while the educated and skilled will be welcomed in Russia. OK, I agree 100% with that.
Here is my 5% option: could the uneducated, unskilled Ukies not stay on their rural land? Plant potatoes, cut firewood, teach their children, become proficient in firearms to hunt meat and protect their community?
That seems like a pretty good survival strategy to me.
Here is my 5% option: could the uneducated, unskilled Ukies not stay on their rural land? Plant potatoes, cut firewood, teach their children, become proficient in firearms to hunt meat and protect their community?
Yes, they could, they are very good at that kind of stuff, some will definitely chose that option.
I cannot agree with any of this.
Much maybe most of the Ukraine is Russian, under the control of American and Nazi filth.
Its hard to be Russian when you risk loss of your job or life.
These are occupied lands and oppressed people.
It is Russia’s duty to liberate them at the best time.
The Party of the Regions (voters not corrupt heads) existed for a reason.
From Transnistria to and including Kiev should be flying the Russian flag.
As for the Western part…who knows…? Build Russian bases and let them rot.
What are your views about cutting Ukraine into two?
Galician region can form a rump state and rot off on its own while Russia annex the rest of Ukraine?
By Galicia, I mean the four provinces of Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Zakarpatska and Ternopil Oblasts.
If I recall correctly, it was Dmitry Orlov who first clearly pointed out the imperialistic divide and rule aspect of the Atlanticist Maiden. The Western planners knew that they could not defeat Russia but what what was possible was to give them a parting shot – of civil war. That’s what they did when the Brits left India. The separation of India and Pakistan guaranteed that the subcontinent would be at war with itself forever afterwards. As per Ukraine the hoped for result of the Maiden was to provoke a Russian reaction and thus a Russian conflict with the Ukraine, or again, a civil war within the Slavic world. The Russian political leadership astutely handled the situation by taking back the Crimea but insisting that the revolt of the Donbass republics was a Ukrainian problem, not Russia’s business and therefore a question of intra Ukrainian mediation – Minsk. This was President Putin and his famous ‘judo’ approach. Instead of a festering, destabilising, and debilitating civil war manipulated by the imperial authorities on Russian territory it became the opposite: a civil war on the edge of nato-not-nato territory that the imperial powers were and are powerless to resolve. They cannot defeat the Donbass fighters. All along the Nato leaders and the entire Western political class has been livid with rage that the basic plan to provoke direct Russian military engagement has failed and instead Europe is stuck with a mess it that it caused but is incapable of cleaning up; they’re stuck with a failed state on their hands.
It may be that Putin’s response to the Maiden will in time be reckoned as a tipping point. Divide and rule is the policy of empire. But the fortunes of empires are changing rapidly. For 500 years the querrelous states of the West have assumed power over the entire world while the great and ancient empires of Asia succumbed. This gave rise to various revolutionary movements aiming mainly to incorporate the science, technology and military methods of the West so as to survive. After many ups and downs this process has in our time come to fruit and we see the old civilisations of Asia rise from a fallen condition while simultaneously the West sinks into corruption and decline. Previously the West, with the Anglo/American alliance at it’s core, had achieved a condition of integrity while the powers of Asia were dispersed. But with the rise of the SCO, a policy and plan of real integration led by President Putin and President Xi, is proceeding while the West is headed for de-industrialisation and all the negative phenomena that goes with this. Andre Martyanov’s most recent book title is succinct: Disintegration.
Putin’s pacific policy embodied in the Minsk treaty was the right response, despite the misgivings of nationalists. The forces of disintegration are kept on the far side of the border. That’s the important thing. It does not matter much what the Europeans have to say or the sanctions they can impose. What harm they were able to do has largely already been absorbed. Hence if it’s needful to use artillery or standoff weapons to discourage unseemly behaviour on the part of the Ukrainians, then, while the Euros can have their little fits, still the main thing is to keep the forces of disintegration on the Nato side of the line, even if it means sacrificing territory that was formerly part of Russia.
Such a policy entails a waiting game. The best thing Russia can do is to proceed full speed ahead with the Eurasian project while keeping the western border under surveillance and well defended. The increasing condition of the West is ‘stasis’, a deadlock of opposed forces that prevent anything from going forwards. As one force tries to force a political unity over Europe against Russia the same movement seriously undermines industrial production and economic vitality. And not just Europe. I believe that in time the parts of a greater Russia that have been sacrificed to the West will someday become low hanging fruit if not supplicants fleeing the chaos of a disintegrating empire. But in the meantime, there’s a new (or not so new) world to be built. There is a way forwards but it’s nothing to do with Europe.
Andrei, what do you think about Russia helping Syria or Russia themselves putting an end to the American oil-theft in Syria or Iraq as an assymmetric response to the NATO-moves?
As a teenager, at a renowned English Public School, I was fortunate to be a little taller than my contemporaries. Possibly because I was brought up in the sunshine of Africa. Obviously, I was an outsider. Very occasionally, a group of a similar age as me would gang up and attack me. It did not take me long to learn that it is in some ways easier to fight against a group of smaller people than against another large person.
I think Russia is in a similar position. The Lilliputians are ganging up against her. They are in for a dreadful shock should they do so. Speaking 20+ languages is a distinct handicap.
Hi,
it really looks dangerous at the moment. There are some forces who produce documentaries like the following one and I think the next foreign minister in Germany will be from their camp :(
https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/098816-001-A/krieg-in-europa-das-ukraine-drama-1-2/
If there is a war, Russia will win, if there is no war, Russia will win. Russia is an Asian country and with China the Eastern Empire of the economy, and now militarily superior to the West, in order to defend that Eastern Empire, which humanity will accept so that people can live. With the West and the United States, that is not possible, so I think that Russia and China are capable of destroying the West and the United States, and so death means life.
If there is a war, Russia will win, if there is no war, Russia will win.
I agreed. But the costs of war will be horrendous…
My good ones, I know how much you love man, but a horribly disgusting world has been imposed, and he is becoming more and more disgusting, and man is becoming more and more irrelevant. And that is more than horror. Horror can only be overcome by horror, and that is the price that life could go on.
Objectively, since the fall of the Berlin Wall Russia put itself on trajectory that would eventually lead to this day and possible war. Unlike Saker and the rest of the Russian apologists my take is that all these years Russian leadership made huge mistakes and miscalculations, beginning with the Berlin Wall itself, unnecessary dissolution of the USSR, quite shameful siding with west in the Balkans and arming Serbian enemies, abandonment of Cuba and Vietnam, defaulting on delivery of S300 system to Iran, allowing NATO to demolish Libya, stopping short of going to Tbilisi in 2008 and installing a friendly government, quite cowardly stance toward the coup in Ukraine and de facto recognition of the illegal government the very next day, even when the whole world was expecting an outright intervention in order to bring back the legitimate one. For Saker it would have been a political and PR catastrophe for Russia. Today we ask could the current Russian relations with the West be any worse if it had intervened in Ukraine. By championing and helping dissolution of the Serbian-Montenegrin state in 2006, making possible an Anglo-Saxon and German dream come true, Russia actually deprived itself of one strong, strategic and possibly only ally in Europe. It is quite unbelievable that as late as 2006 the Russian leadership was still unaware where they were headed. Recently, Russia seems to have defaulted with the Armenian nation too. Also, remember that all these years Russia was happily supporting all Western UN SC resolutions against small countries like Iran, North Korea etc. Now, if we keep in mind that, counting on the rapprochement with the western “partners” at any cost, Russia had also kept China on a “healthy” distance quite publicly refusing any deeper, strategic cooperation for many years after the destruction of USSR. And one more thing: in the minds of many people it is chiefly Russian leadership to be blamed for the hardships regarding the creation of the Russia-Belarus unitary state. The protection of an oligarchical system and its proponents in Russia, despite the catastrophic situation to which they had recently brought the country and its people, was quite unacceptable to Belarus and its socialist-leaning leadership.
So, unlike in the past, even if the war breaks out, there will be no “international volunteers” fighting on the Russian side. As an orthodox and Slavic individual who always in the past had very brotherly feeling for Russians and their country, I will too keep my distance, physically and emotionally.
bravo djordje
Quite true! But, as always before, if there is a war it will be “average Joe” spilling his blood. If Russian government, since Gorbachev until today, had sincerely worked for the interests of the Russian people as hard as they seem to have worked for the interests of their enemies and to please their “partners”, then, Russia certainly wouldn’t be in the same position today. What the hardworking people and patriots built for centuries, a handful of international elitists have been happy and able to destroy in just a few short years. For no person has ever been held responsible for the recent calamities inflicted upon the Russian people, the nation is still looking for some kind of closure to another unfortunate chapter of its history. The next war may well bring that closure.
“I will too keep my distance, physically and emotionally.”
You won’t be missed.
The situation does look dire indeed!!
This analysis has focussed on the Russian/Ukrainian front.
However, from the Empire’s perspective would it not be better to concentrate on a smaller war such as the Iran front where the opposition is not as formidable as Russia or China and so the chances of success are higher? This would provide a “success” on which to build for an attack on Russia or China.
As the Saker has pointed out above, the window of opportunity to maintain hegemony will be almost closed by 2025. This means that some way must be found to destroy Russia/China before this date if the Empire wants to continue to maintain its hegemony. This would suggest that all the pieces are being put into place to achieve this objective and therefor all the activities related to Russia/China (and elsewhere) are part of the plan- i.e the summit meetings, the activities going on in Belarus, UK, 3B, etc.
The question is- Is the Empire deliberately planning for a situation by which it can have a war with Russia/China or is it simply going through all the motions due to force of habit and we end up with a war because the Empire sees no other option?
How can it be prevented?
@Djordje
“By championing and helping dissolution of the Serbian-Montenegrin state in 2006, making possible an Anglo-Saxon and German dream come true”
Are you even aware that this is the only sentence where you mention Western influence in your othervise comprehensive description of problems that torment all of us?
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Respectfully, doesn’t this tell something important? Djordje is saying that Russia has missed a hundred opportunities to safeguard its future either as part of the USSR or as a strong proactive state which doesn’t allow its enemies to advance. He contrasts this with a situation in which Russia is bleating impotently while the West is ignoring her with contempt. There is only one relevant question here: If Russia aims to be what it proclaims – how could it have afforded to squander so many opportunities to secure its interests in the West and to stop the relentless drive of the Neonazi Reich?
A number of people were warning of this a year ago yet nothing has changed with respect to Russia’s supine diplomatic stance – sending the US emergency oil supplies while those same US are doing their utmost to destroy Russia is shameful and borderline treasonous. I won’t elaborate because all of this was written by somebody else some time ago. It is precisely the clumsy, procrastinating, West-adoring Russian elites that make discussion of the West redundant.
You see Serbs being the only ones ready to raise these issues. Their disappointment comes from deep love.
“You see Serbs being the only ones ready to raise these issues. Their disappointment comes from deep love.”
Absolutely agree on this one.
There is one paradox, though. Wast majority of Serbs that endured horrors of war and “transition” period firmly sides with Russia, while “liberal” part that lived in NGO bubble for decades enjoys themselves in the role of usefull idiots. Mindlessly parroting western narative whose primary goal is “Divide et impera”. Judging by what we can read online, they succeded in that.
Sadly, that leads Serbia into another self-inflicting period when notorious Balkan tide turns.
There is a third option, which I’ve suggested before: Russia formally proclaiming a “temporary” protectorate of the Donbas republics [juridically akin to the former French protectorates of Tunisia and Morocco], until Minsk II can be implemented (i.e., never), or a Minsk III acceptable to all sides can be negotiated (almost never). Effectively, Mr. Saker’s military option #1, publicly declared. Doing so would very likely freeze the situation indefinitely, perhaps after a few Ukrainian attacks were met by overwhelming Russian retaliation from within Russia, there-bye letting Russia then peaceably incorporate the Donbas as a de-facto part of Russia.
This may seem unrelated to the topic on the subject, but it may bode ill – depending on one’s point of view. Biden is apparently about to undertake a colonoscopy & his presidential powers have been “temporarily” transferred to Kamala Harris. It remains to be seen how temporary this transfer is, something tells me that it will be permanent, & then what can we expect where Ukraine & every other potential flashpoint is concerned. One area not mentioned was Bosnia, tensions there are escalating by the day, many commentators are dismissive of the potential for actual armed conflict, personally, I think it is going in that direction. The imposition of a “High Representative” with no UN authorisation in opposition to Russia & China’s position is not only a scandal, but in terms of provocation, it is a signal by Germany, the US & UK, that they are intent on creating an irreversible crisis there. With Kamala Harris in the president’s seat, the world just became a more dangerous place.
“This may seem unrelated to the topic on the subject, but it may bode ill – depending on one’s point of view. Biden is apparently about to undertake a colonoscopy & his presidential powers have been “temporarily” transferred to Kamala Harris. It remains to be seen how temporary this transfer is, something tells me that it will be permanent, & then what can we expect where Ukraine & every other potential flashpoint is concerned.”
Yes, there is an American leftist/RT correspondent named Caleb Maupin, who opines that Joe Biden was always a “placeholder President” from the git go.
That is, Kamala Harris has always been groomed to replace Biden sooner or later. And Biden has simply been warming the POTUS seat for Harris.
The problem with Harris is that she is merely a proxy for certain aggressive factions of the American Deep State that are hell-bent on war.
Harris’ status as the first African American/Indian female president is meant to provide a “progressive” veneer for this war.
Après Biden, le déluge.
Harris is an introverted career bureaucrat who was put on the ticket simply for the election. She is out of her depth even as vice president. I suppose there’s some vague plan for her to follow orders from Madame Clinton, but it just won’t work.
” I suppose there’s some vague plan for her to follow orders from Madame Clinton”
Harris is working for Obama. She was put there because they thought that she was able to do as she is told. It seems that she cannot even do that. She is hugely unpopular even among Democrats.
Obama is the public face of the CIA. Everything about him is fake – “wife”, “father” and “children”. He was groomed for the job from a very young age – his parents were CIA. I guess they groom lots of different people and eventually select one of them. A sort of “musical chairs” for sociopaths.
Regarding Bosnia, China and Russia had a huge diplomatic win on Nov 4th at UNSC.
The UNSC was forced to remove all mention of the OHR in the latest Bosnia resolution.
Media was furious about the West’s “humiliation” and “appeasement”
https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/85705
For anyone who still thinks Russia is not supporting Serbia please read what Vasili Nebenzya had to say.
https://www.rferl.org/a/un-bosnia-serbia-russia-china-us-schmidt-resolution-eufor-peacekeepers/31545060.html
This is a brilliant essay, and the thought of Eurocrats being only competent to run a car rental agency was a ROLF moment. The value of Odessa, all the Russian options, etc., it’s spot-on.
But the most important and most hopeful option is missing !
Russia seems to be forfeiting the propaganda war in the Ukraine by simply not addressing the Ukie nationalists directly. Either that, or I’m just not seeing it. By now, the Ukraine is well beyond the black hole horizon of a failed state, and the Ukronazis should have realized this themselves, and should have their noses publicly rubbed into this failure. Any Ukrainian nationalist should be deeply ashamed of the new legislation that allows their own earth to be sold out from under the Ukrainian people, sold off to western transnational mega-corporations. Rude awakening is called for, not subtlety. Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but Russia seems to have largely ignored Ukrainian public opinion as a major battlefield, and yet it’s the most important one. Years of time, strategic planning, and foregone opportunities have gone into helping Ukraine slide down into a situation that’s really the Ukrainians’ own responsibility and no one else’s, but then we have an utter failure to capitalize on what could be (and should be) an awakening of the Ukrainians. To me, this failure does not make sense. It’s a resounding strategic mistake.
Another related item: The idea that Ukrainians should simply pack up and leave, only works for individuals and small families. But collectively, it’s a real mistake. I’m sure the Empire is thrilled to see the Ukraine emptied of its people because that makes rebellion more unlikely. The same thing happened in Mexico, where many of the people with “get up and go” (personal initiative), did exactly that, moving to the US and leaving Mexicans less able to change their situation … and now dependent on paycheck remittances sent from the Empire. So we don’t have to imagine anything; we have seen how depopulation plays out and it always favors the elites.
Russia should conduct direct discussions with the Nazis, and try to help them see how their vision is deeply flawed. The birth of a viable Ukraine needs a midwife or two. That option costs almost nothing in money or anything else. It’s absolutely crazy that it isn’t already being done.
I will speculate here, that there may be a Zionist angle we must consider, if we are to understand the end-game. The Ukronazis might be more useful to the Zios as unreconstructed dumb-a** Jew-haters with corrupt leaders, than as reformed nationalists who can be persuaded to disavow the criminal part of their history, in favor of a viable Ukraine. Unreconstructed Nazis and their sold-out leaders, can be destroyed without regret. That could be a useful option down the road, and most Vineyard readers would be thrilled by the idea. But if this pack of hyenas were to be reformed into nationalists with a fresh set of honest leaders, this group could not be treated like that. I speculate that the failure to even try to turn the Ukronazis is the dog that did not bark, as in the Sherlock Holmes story. As I wrote earlier, the whole Ukraine saga might, just might be more about a homeland for Jews after they get kicked out of Palestine, than about the obvious damage to Russia. Many things point to this possibility, but no one is discussing it. That needs to change.
Run a car rental agency? Not so sure. Any guy who comes up and says I need a car because Putin stole my last one will be given a car rent-free, a loan to buy gas for it and a personal certificate entitling him to a free lunch and a hat saying “I Got Values!”.
Oh sh*t man, I hurt myself laughing and rolling on the floor !
So, in summary, the future of a rump Banderastan is Transnitria?
How is it possible ‘to help’ your utmost ennemy?
Russian fleet en route to US to help battle fuel crisis
https://www.rt.com/business/540747-us-boosts-exports-russia-diesel/
Is this ‘cold war’ a fake, only to enrich both MIC?
Saker rightly notes> “It has been 30 years already since the Ukraine set a course on becoming an anti-Russia, and there is now an entire generation of thoroughly brainwashed Ukrainians who really believe in what the Ukronazi media and “democracy” or “civil society” promoting propaganda outlets have been telling them.”
Not only the people there…Recalling the biggest antiwar demonstrations (more or less) of the February 14-16, 2003 global protests against the looming US-led invasion of Iraq involved more than 12 million people in 700 cities around the world. A million people marched around Australia… Recalling that, since then the people of Zone A have also been “brainwashed”, or at least cowed, or, as they love to repeat, “locked-down”.
Crosstalk (RT) today rather dire expectations. Lavelle did a better than normal show.
Even the sorta flaky Hal Turner reports a spokesman in Crimea saying it’d take 10 hours to roll over Ukie.
(How big is a “Battalion Tactical Group”?)
Looks to my eye like lots worse than 1962…and it looks like it’s Time for “Burnam Wood” to deal with “MacBeth”. Patience is limited.
not so funny> https://youtu.be/QGgJPmOUmDU (emergency everybody to get from street)
not exactly helpful thoughts from Jens
NATO Nuclear Weapons Can Be Moved to East From Germany, Stoltenberg Says
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – If Berlin refuses to station NATO nuclear weapons, then it can be moved to other European countries, including in the Eastern part of the continent, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday.
“I expect that Germany will continue to be part of nuclear sharing because it’s so important for the whole of European defence framework. The alternative to NATO nuclear sharing is different types of bilateral arrangements. Germany can off course decide whether there will be nuclear weapons in your country but the alternative is that we end up with nuclear weapons in other countries in Europe also to the east of Germany”, Stoltenberg said.
UK PM Boris phoning up Putin for a reset kind of chat last October ……is clearly idiotic and completely devious and dishonest considering the latest friendship agreements and military contracts signed up with Ukraine….completely agreement non capable. Sighs.
Hello Saker,
Don’t you think that the US/NATO war drums in the E. Europe might be a cover up for a real, kinetic war in the South China Sea?
As you mentioned, and as shown by the behavior of the people like Burns who probably call the shots in Washington, Anglozionists know well that a confrontation against Russia even through proxies and in Russia’s backyard would go terribly wrong for them. Instead, the US/NATO camp appears to be hell bent on their superiority against China’s armed forces. If the media reports are true. Americans have amassed a sizable force in the SCS and have even been conducting drills with SF units in the region.
I feel that all of the posturing in the Black Sea might be a cover up and that even if they do some escalation, it maybe for having Russia’s focus on its Western front, while the Empire can take on China.
Btw, Russia and China appear to be warning US vassals in the W. Pacific👇
https://www.rt.com/russia/540755-strategic-bombers-patrol-pacific/
There are some who say that if the war starts at Taiwan, it will immediately extend to Ukraine, and that if the war starts at Ukraine it will immediately extend to Taiwan. I would note that the thrilling aspect of violence, and especially war, is that no one can know how it will end. However many reliable things may be said about how it starts, and what happens then.
Such as “The Empire can start a war”. (and probably has done so…).
And “Once started, the enemy decides when it ends.”
(on a lighter note, suppose the 2 million buckets of Russian diesel are simply the beginnings of logistical supplies for the troops about to do mop-up and set up for the trials, after the surrender. see> https://www.rt.com/business/540747-us-boosts-exports-russia-diesel/ )
From my vantage point, as one of the few unvaxxed & still employed in Austfalia, the China-bad war drums have been at full volume since the mad monk’s (Abott’s) failed attempt at throwing us under the front axle of the MH17 shemozzle. We big wide missile sponge, convient locale, & entirely expendable, subterranean robot mining seems pretty near term & immune to residual rads! Limited Nuclear war, (delusionally) contained to SE “indo pac” a wet dream for FUKZUS cabal, only a blind fool can kid themselves seriously taking on Russia is not instantly global/fatal, the ever delusional psychos feel China still ~ just crush able militarily & an inevitably an existential threat economically!
much appreciate ya blog! & the comments… Hads off
Kiep fighting the good fight
The regime in Kiev should be called a Jewish regime. As it is such a regime all the way, no if’s, but’s about that.
I feel it’s important to call a spade a spade.
The German regime that attacked the Russian motherland in 1940, July, was a Nazi regime.
It’s off-topic.
But to make clear> I once asked a friend, a learned Rabbi, what was the difference between a nazi and a zionist. Let us make a list… We both understood.
quiz Friday.
Einstein seems to have had some idea that there might be some sort of similarity. His (and many others) once famous letter begins>
“TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.”
see> https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
None of that or this has anything to do with Jews. It has to do with fascism. Nevertheless, I take your point, who runs Ukie? and who runs those “folks”? Yup.
We used to say, “birds of a feather flock together”.
Andrei,
Studying the maps, it seems clear that from a geostrategic perspective a united, neutral and independent Ukraine, free of its current fascist rulers and oligarchs, would be far preferable to any scenario that involves acquiring territory, beyond perhaps establishing more secure borders for the Donbas. Any strategic gain Russia could conceivably gain in a war, including the entire Black Sea coast, would not be worth having the rest of the Ukraine incorporated into NATO, even more deeply invested in its virulently anti-Russian psychosis and hosting major US bases. Under any of these scenarios beyond 1 or 2, the parts of Ukraine that are closest in distance to Moscow would remain, and the Ukraine border with Russian or Russian-protected territories would only grow longer.
You seem to see the growth of a sense of Ukraine nationhood as purely negative. If however it has grown strong enough to support a truly national rebellion against the fascists and kleptocrats, it could be a positive thing.
Putin’s policy of negotiation, patience and indefinite postponement of military solutions seems obviously the correct one. Allowing the situation inside Ukraine to evolve and mature, leading toward a Ukrainian resolution of Ukraine’s crisis, offers the best hope for defusing the threat of a wider European war. And should war come, the preferred outcome would be the one which least provokes a deep sense of Ukrainian national grievance against Russia, leaving them free to turn their wrath on those who led them into their debacle.
Putin is no revolutionist, yet we could learn something about revolutionary patience from him.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/11/19/670974/Russian-fleet-of-diesel-tankers-heading-to-US-amid-fuel-crisis
Why is Russia helping the US at a time of crisis, if in fact they are poised to go to war and this whole thing isn’t a show?
In retrospect, was the Cold War not one big show? Why is it different this time?
Any thoughts, Saker?
Russia is a capitalist oligarchy–just like their American “partners.”
The net effect of this fuel shipment is that Russia is helping to politically prop up … wait for it… the Biden Regime!
Perhaps the Russians believe that appeasing and pandering to the Americans will help dissuade the USA from acting so aggressively towards Russia in general.
Good luck with that.
The Americans only respect one thing: Power.
Any show of weakness will only embolden the Americans like a shark smelling blood in the water.
Propping up the Biden regime” makes sense for 2 basic reasons.
1. Biden has actually “bitten the bullet” and ended the 20 year long war in Afghanistan. Perhaps Washington will do a few more U-turns, who knows ? Certainly Biden is a super-scumbag and ending this war is the only decent thing he ever did in his too-long political life, but it is a big thing, even though it was only done to support more important goals of the Empire.
2. When someone declares they are your enemy, the only intelligent path is to not correct the mistakes of that someone, except to point out their supreme mistake of wanting to be an enemy in the first place.
Venezuela used to send free fuel aid to poor Americans and how was it repaid? Goodwill or attempts to undemocratically install a fake president and launch a mercenary invasion?
In America, the ruling elite are not friends with the poor people. In ways, they are enemies. So the aid which Venezuela sent to the US made American’s ruling elite hate them even more.
No it is not a joke:
US welcomes some of Putin’s recent statements, including on Ukraine — White House
“We welcome President Putin’s statement about resolving the Donbass conflict peacefully, using the Minsk agreements,” she said.
https://tass.com/world/1364051
Nato (UK & USA) turn up the heat with tripwire forces and Black Sea gunboat shenanigans, talks of Russia invading Ukraine explode.
Next thing you know Russia shoots down a satellite, and Russian and Chinese ships cruise near Japan. Belarus and Poland start squabbling and talks of Russia invading Ukraine become more serious.
Next thing you know Biden has to get his colon scoped so Kamala Harris briefly holds presidential powers. Meanwhile Russian tankers ship 2 million barrels of diesel to America, and Russia continues raking in revenue due to high energy prices.
Also Russia is making lots of money with the vaccine exports, on top of energy exports. Ukraine is more or less encircled, and so is Turkey for that matter, and increasingly so, interestingly.
Given Russia’s low debt, large forex/gold reserves, qualitative military advantage, energy reserves, agricultural output, and other advantages, it is looking pretty good in case of a financial collapse of the west. Which looks more likely than ever.
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So what are Russia’s options?
(Just brainstorming)
Move an S-400 and troop reinforcement to transnistria
Move an S-400 and troop reinforcement to Brest, Belarus
Move an S-400 and troop reinforcement to Rojava, Syria at the airbase near the Turkish border
Keep the revenue flowing and rapidly produce/modernize advanced missiles, fighters, submarines
Lease the island of La Orchilla from Venezuela for a navy/Air Force base; reopen base in Cuba
Send Houthis aid and weapons, negotiate to reopen soviet-era base in future
Recognize Venezuelan claim against Guyana over oilfields/gas fields
Reward Bulgaria for recognizing Crimea by giving them a sweet gas deal
Negotiate a counter-petrodollar agreement between Union State, Venezuela, and Iran. Simultaneously apply pressure to KSA, and fly lots of bombers over Syria, Arctic, med, Black Sea, Caribbean, North Atlantic, North Pacific. Begin to export oil&gas from Iran and Venezuela in tankers escorted by Russian corvettes/subs.
Agree to meet Zelensky, one on one in long format, in Sochi. Agree to end the war in Donbas with special status granted in exchange for Ukraine staying out of nato and ending anti-Russian media and ngo’s.
Formalize the Union State between Belarus and Russia on December 26th, 2021
Give Ukraine a good deal on gas to reward their good behavior
Start going after Russian oligarchs and prepare to take a break from geopolitics – going after Ukrainian oligarchs as a way of severing connections to London/Washington – while legitimizing Russia in the eyes if the NAM countries and post-soviet states – Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine in particular
Send the gru to the Stan’s to keep the Turks from getting anywhere with erdogan’s new Turkic club and wait for…
When Iraq starts to pressure USA to leave as mentioned after the Afghanistan pullout and before, Russia can force USA to leave Syrian oil fields and al tanf – when one foot is already on the Iraqi banana peel
When America leaves, make a deal with Assad, Kurds, and Iran to back Kurdish independence in Turkey, in exchange for special status of Rojava in Syria – this allows Russia to spill over the Syrian war to Turkish Kurdistan and capitalize on how Trump betrayed the Kurds turning them into friends of Russia and reproach with Assad
Turkey now has too much chaos to deal with to have time for meddling in the Stan’s and Ukraine and struggles to hold itself together in a civil war, complicates nato status as Europe will want no part of a Turkish civil war
Next, clear the idlib pocket while Turkey is caught up dealing with the Turkish Kurds and no America is in al tanf or Rojava
When Turkey is at its weakest, invade Thrace with the naval infantry and paratroopers and take the area won by Russia in ww1, and where the Turkish stream pipeline connects to European mainland. This also puts the seat of the Orthodox Church under Russian control, as well as the straits. Thrace is like Turkey’s Crimea, and Turkish Kurdistan is like Turkey’s Rojava – play both of those cards at once and put Turkey on the defensive
When Ukraine sees the priorities for America and Turkey have changed, and the balance of power as well with Union State in a strong position, it will cast the offer to Ukraine to join Union State in a new light… and when the usd finally dies it will be a no-brainer for Ukraine to join
The cost for cleaning up Ukraine from the mess the west left it in can be recovered by selling expensive gas to Europe, enabling Russia to be able to afford absorbing all of Ukraine and other post soviet states to join without straining Russian economy
If this happens, Ukraine could join without a war ever happening, the war in Syria won, nato destroyed without a catastrophic war on Russian soil, Russia stronger than ever in the Black Sea and having far better warm water access, and a more dominant geopolitical footprint since soviet times. The Union state would be set up to prosper and last. The AZ empire would be in its own neoliberal version of the ‘soviet collapse’, and the Union state would have a healthy Orthodox Church, no communist dogma to live up to, and military superiority instead if containment
Putin could leave the motherland in better shape than ever, having surpassed Stalin, Catherine the Great, and Peter the Great. “Putin the Great” has a nice ring to it.
to Liz
Bravo!! All I can say.
Agree to meet Zelensky, one on one in long format, in Sochi. Agree to end the war in Donbas with special status granted in exchange for Ukraine staying out of nato and ending anti-Russian media and ngo’s.
Putin and Lavrov have been emphatic in recent days, that there is no point in talking with Zelensky because he does not have the power to decide anything. Quite simply, Washington and the Ukronazis call the shots, not the former TV comic and employee of Kolmoisky. Even talking with the clown would confer legitimacy and help him evade his obligation under the Minsk agreements and the UN Security Council, to negotiate with the Donetsk and Lugansk peoples’ republics.
After reading this article and all of the comments you can see that everyone in the Saker community has a similar mindset about aggression and defense. Sure, various people have been in war or under bombardments, but in general people are not familiar with the horrors of war, and the lost generations that result from it.
Only one comment was thinking outside of the box. Sorry, I scanned back through, but I don’t want to reread carefully enough to pick up who that commenter was. It goes something like this:
Leading off of Putin’s speech about the brotherhood of the Russian and Ukrainian people, willing Ukrainians would be issued some kind of “Russian Document”. (It was suggested some form of dual passport.) A passport might not be necessary, but some favored travel document, visa, green card or whatnot, but not intending any travel or movement.
Then Russia would pump more gas through Ukraine, not less. (Less is like western sanctions, trying to hurt the people for some nefarious purpose, and it’s the mindset we are demonstrating here). A share of the profits on the gas going through Ukraine would then be distributed to the population living in the Ukraine with direct deposits to their accounts.
That would be to the willing population who signed up.
Some gas transit fees would be going to the common man, instead of the oligarchs.
Depending on how many signed up it might be only $200, but let it be symbolic then?
Russia would support the alleviation of poverty in a bad economy, or even some rebuilding.
European gas prices would go down, because pumping more through Ukraine.
Europe would not have the “Ukrainian Card” to play with the gas situation.
Nordstream 2? Well, under defused tensions it would eventually pump gas also.
At least those Ukrainian people who had a stipend would start to rethink relations with Russia.
Kinetic Conflict would be put on the back burner, if not taken totally off of the stove.
Russia would have a world wide PR victory.
The “Enemy Theory” would take a hit in credibility.
It could be a start in defusing all world conflicts.
Sorry I don’t give credit for the original commenter, but if you read the comments carefully you will find him (or her).
The Saker, congratulations for superb analysis. I agree there will be a war over the heads of the morons. Poland and Ukraine. My analytical theory is simple. The USA didn’t spend over 30 trillion dollar since 911 to call it quits and say we lost for our stupidity. The USA bankrupted all its vassals and its own citizens . It wasn’t stupidity at all. It was planned and it was for blackmail. There is no way in hell they can compete with China economically. They discovered that the hard way. China can make what the west collectivally make cheeper and soon will be better. The entire world has seen the true face of the west and their human rights and what human life, that is of their own and of the others’, means to them. If the USA call it quits no country on earth would want to do business with it. Maybe Canada and UK. The Anglozaxon only know competition means you have to kill your competitors if you can’t bankrupt them and put them out of business. The west beef with Russia besides 1000 years old animosity, per one of you articles, is get control of its vast resources. This will be a bingo type benefits one is wealth, all wars are economics, the other to deprive China of the needed resources. I wish they visit Hitler and Napoleon and have eternal talk with them before they do a bigger stupid adventure. Also, the USA wants to renew mistrust between Russia and Europe. The USA without Europe is nothing. The only war the USA conducted without Europe is Granada. Also, if the USA were to back down, what are the warriors going to say to their citizens why they spent all the $$$$$? God may protect us from their stupidity.
Salamat.
Not sure UK sees Russia as responsible for loss of Empire rather than Germany
Germany is despised in UK and Russia is feared
Stalin blamed WW2 on France – failure to honor its treaties with Czech 1925 which stopped USSR Mobilisation and surrender 1940 allowing Germany to pivot east again
UK is run by top-heavy military eating at US table but knowing it is really a foreign legion and needs to shout to cover up its paltry capability before its own people
Hitler could not land seaborne forces in UK as William of Orange did 1688 at Torbay – but France can land proxy invaders daily in Dover
Such is the weakness of UK that it must posture for domestic consumption
Loss of UK empire due to FD Roosevelt de-colonialism policy forcing UK to grant independence as condition for help. All part of massive racket by EU & UK money-changers to get control and destroy UK.
Britain did not really need to US help in 1940 – could have managed it somehow.
Had large navy and shipping fleet and resources in colonies. Brought in US as many UK elites owned investments in US that made a lot out of war production and rising assets prices thereafter. Also to run UK (and Russia) into debt to US. Sly move. Shift of power.
UK mil power kept contained since 1970 as weak UK politicians looked inwards. Had running dog US do their enforcement. Did not need large army due to no colonies anymore. More interested in cups of tea and playing cricket.
Disaster for UK.
Andrei: The deal here is thus: Russia will do everything in its power NOT to occupy a single “akp” of the failed state of Ukraine. Of course, if “they” attack some Atlanticist bones will be broken. All along, Putin has decreed that, if attacked Russia will commit to a demonstration of its deterrent ability hoping the obvious insane “West” will “see the light” and negotiate a “peace” (funny that Putin and company still believes that there is still some latent reasoning power in the West). As you state, the “west” is rapidly falling apart – they can’t support Ukraine economically – this is obvious. They want Russia to occupy it and get stuck with the bills. Lavrov and Putin are at least smart enough, apparently, to realize this. NATO has no power unless Russia attacks to their west (Baltics, Ukraine, etc.). Lukoshenko is no doubt a madman, but the Belarusian army is much more formidable and with a backup) than Poland’s, or the comedic Baltic states, who need Russia to attack so “NATO” (i.e. the US) can solve their problems for them and destroy their ideological enemy, Russia. This is the value of Putin and Lavrov – Russia will not attack – the US will have to economically support Ukraine while the US itself if falling apart totally – see Rittenhouse for the latest confirmation – be aware that the US has never actually recovered from post-Lehman Brothers (papered over, only), and with it’s now rampant inflation which can only be stopped by a sharp raise in interest rates, which is impossible due to the super-financialization of the nation, the end is near – thus the panic. There will NOT be a war. The chicken-shit coward of the “west” knows total war from WWII, and their troops don’t give a shit about Russia and will not fight (they want the pay and benefits only) – at least effectively. It’s all smoke and mirrors, and saber rattling. A war will finish America. That’s why they need Russia to attack, so they can wave the flag and have their bought-and-paid for mass media rally the beaten down population of their sinking polity.
“Lukoshenko is no doubt a madman …”
Have you got any evidence to support your extreme remark ? Any evidence at all ?
‘’Right now, we are already deep inside a pre-war period . . . ‘’
Hindsight’s twenty-twenty, which means that everyone believes after the fact, and few beforehand. But still, with the past as mirror to the present, the explanations of world events are typically limited to the immediate effect, and rarely if ever penetrate to real causes —and if they do, it’s often upside down and backward. So once war begins de facto Russia will become the accused perpetrators, but I envy their martyrdom as compared to just croaking.
Thanks for the sobering-up. Saker. I need that. We all do.
Only thing I can agree with this blog’s author is that the Western elitki are rats, lowest of the low, whores of destiny, scum of the earth and hellbent onto a coward’s war.
They should stand trial before an international tribunal and hanged as appropriate punishment.
Satan has their back and nuclear war is more likely before any justice could be served.
Indeed Nactigall, the tax payers in Vienna have had enough of the wind up clockwork clowns in the Hofburg.
The tax payers sense they are about to be sacrificed for the third time within 100 years.
Last time I checked, at least 60% are certified Schlafschafe, there is a long way to go to have anything resembling organized resistance. Almost no msm representation; no financial, conceptual or org-muscle.
Another day, reality spitting into your face – it’s ridiculous how accurate de Jouvenel, Mosca or old bitches like Machiavelli were; right on the money.
Please correct and clarify as necessary.
We know the hardcore Anglo-Zionist rule the United States and Great Britain. Many of these lunatics hold Ukraine/Crimea in a special place in their hearts and collective memory. Almost equivalent to Palestine. In the past Nuland, her husband Robert Kagan and many Neo-con brethren have spoken of restoring THEIR rightful place of greatness in a historic homeland.
The group think coupled with western muscle led to the theft of Palestine and decades of madness in the Middle East. They have shown to be irrational and single minded to the point of destroying their HOST to achieve their ends.
What does this particular element mean for current events and does this madness extend to the whole former Pale of Settlement ????
If provoked beyond a certain point, Russia will stop trading with the Ukraine and the Ukrainian economy and energy infrastructure will collapse. Previously, a lifeline existed delivering gasoline and diesel refined in Belarus but made from Russian oil; this will be shut off too. Shortly thereafter the Ukrainian state will collapse too and the territory will become a humanitarian disaster zone.
The Russians are very cleverly sorting Ukrainians into Russians and non-Russians. The way it is done is simple: the Russians want to move and live in Russia; the Ukrainians do not. Russia has no use for Ukrainian land and doesn’t even need it as a buffer zone, tank and infantry battles being a thing of the past. But it certainly welcomes Russian compatriots, wherever they come from, provided they accept the dictum that Russia comes first.
Even then, it’s a process that will take at least one generation. Families that move to Russia from the Ukraine will need to bring up their children among Russian children in order to be re-Russianized. This process is ongoing; several million people have relocated since 2014 and have been reabsorbed. But there is a die-hard part of the population in the Ukraine: they speak Russian, and they curse Putin for not “liberating” them, but they refuse to accept the fact that the Ukraine is not Russia. If they are Russian, then they will live wherever Russia finds it useful for them to live, and the Ukraine is not one of these places.
As far as a sudden world war, there is a difference between a possibility and a probability. Anything is possible. What’s probable is not some massive new conflict but massive loss of face when all of these Westerners soil their diapers at the first threat of actual incoming Russian fire and sue for peace immediately. Their goal is to preen and posture in order to justify their existence, not to lay down their lives in defense of a useless piece of Ukrainian territory—useless to everyone including the Ukrainians themselves, as they indicate by fleeing in droves.
Good points here thanks.
Dear Dmitry,
If war kicks off in Eastern Europe against the Russian Federation, what will China do to support Russia? Xi Jinping must know that if Russia is attacked, China will be next.
China has control of the fabrication of semiconductors that are needed in modern technologies.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
Will Xi Jingping:
1. Stop all exported goods from its mainland that are critical to the U.S. economy?
2. Sell off any U.S. Treasury debt it holds?
3. Order all U.S. nationals out of China?
4. Blockade Taiwan immediately by sea and by air to prevent shipments of finished semiconductor
manufactured goods bound for Europe and the U.S.
China will have to act decisively if Russia has to act militarily against US-NATO. It cannot and should not wait because the future of their own self-interests is at stake.
There is already a war going on, but it is a bioterrorism war. Europe is a nonentity militarily, the US has lost the arms race against both Russia and China, and so bioterrorism is the only warmongering activity they have left. What Xi will do is what Xi has been doing: continue to cooperate with Russia.
Russia has no use for Ukrainian land and doesn’t even need it as a buffer zone, tank and infantry battles being a thing of the past.
Is it not better to have a neutral Ukraine that does not allow deployment of NATO missiles? As I understand it, even IRBMs or MGM-168s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS) would endanger Russia due to short reaction times, hence President Putin declaring this a red line not to be crossed. Even if the Battle of Kursk is not likely to happen again, would it not be beneficial to have S-500s deployed in this buffer zone, and deny NATO the ability to deploy fighters with tactical nuclear weapons like Incirlik?
Furthermore, I read that Ukraine has excellent agriculture due to a combination of good climate, and naturally fertile soil; is this true? If so, would it not be beneficial to re-integrate Ukrainian territories that accept their traditional Russian heritage, such as the Donbass?
How about neutral central Europe? Like it was agreed with NATO some time before :))? In addition to all the red lines mentioned by the Russians, which the West is constantly demolishes, what will nuclear powerful Russia do? Say that Kiev is not Russian? Is that a power someone will talk to? Or will the Russians themselves allow such a explanations from leadership?
The whole of Ukraine must enter Russia in such a way that when a large part of the country returns, a referendum is held to declare Ukraine will join Russia and the Galician part around Lviv (that the Poles will surely want) as occupied. If the Poles do not respect that, Russians as UNSB will have the right to react and occupy part of Poland. Białystok region and cut off the Poles and Central Europe from the Baltic. That finish the whole story on the west cost. Latvia has recognized Taiwan, so the Russians get more and more balls every day for valley strike, in football jargon.
Dick,
You need to take a look at Russia’s strategic defense doctrine. Any attack against Russian territory will trigger a retaliation against the centers of decision-making (Washington, DC). All sides know this. Do the people in Washington really want to commit suicide. I don’t think so.
But as long as this entity Ukraine exists, the West will use it to destablise Russia. This policy of the West will never change.
The only solution is annexation. I see no other solution to that.
Ukraine can never be a buffer state. This is just wishful thinking. The West has no interest in that. Some people in Russia might want Ukraine to be buffer. But no one in West wants Ukraine to be buffer.
What they want is to use Ukraine to destroy Russia. This Western policy is fixed. It won’t change.
My solution is to cut Ukraine into two. Galicia can form a rump state while Russia will annex the rest of Ukraine.
I see no other way.
Russia must have a neutral buffer between itself and NATO countries. These are the countries of Central Europe from the Baltic to the Aegean. For that to happen, the EU must disintegrate with the release of the Visegrad Four, which will be followed by the Balkan countries. The Anglo-Americans are also planning this intermare line, so why not to support it by Russia itself. Only without the Baltic dwarves she would insert into her space of interest. Under new contract between Russia and America. This would complete the process of creating Europe and stabilizing western wing. Western, (which includes Germany, Austria), central slavic and eastern Russian. Similar what they can do with the Turkestan Republic in Central Asia towards Pakistan and Iran. Furthermore, with Germany’s withdrawal from NATO and its neutrality, not only Western Europe (gathered around France) would gain but also itself. Germany wouldn’t be divided in next war what awaited it if she continue act like this.
What you see and what you don’t see are two different things, I’d say. In what way has the situation in the Ukraine destabilized Russia? Russia is more stable than ever.
Why on Earth would Russia want to annex any part of the Ukraine? As I have explained, Russia does not need the land, and the only people Russia will accept, of those still inhabiting the Ukraine, are those that are Russian. And if they are Russian, then their allegiance is to Russia, not to any piece of Ukrainian territory.
Western policy is not fixed. Right now it is still somewhat fixated on the US, but that’s pure inertia. Once the US is out of Europe, the Americas and the US itself, what will the Europeans do? I don’t think you have an answer to this question.
Then the Russians will experience Gorabace’s climax :)). But I doubt very much that the Americans will withdraw from Europe, there are no objective reasons for that. Sorry but I dont belive in such scenario. Only the new civil war in America. You know anything more about it :))? That would be the subversion that generations would talk about.
https://www.rt.com/russia/540853-red-lines-nato-war/
Article by Russia expert Glen Diesen
Question:—All the talk about the advanced new weaponry developed by Russia, but how much of it is really functional, or is it more like those “wonder weapons” developed by Germany later during WW I which were never sufficient overall to make a difference in a large scale sustained military confrontation. We think that the USA still has enormously greater military power overall, including technologically advanced varieties of weaponry.
Russia which is essentially overextended given its vast territory wants to present itself undefeatable, of course.
The attitude toward Ukrainians and Ukraine reflects the traditionalist tsarist-monarchist “great” Russian nonsense. The Ukrainians are rightful descendants and inheritors of the people who originally starting in the 9th-15th centuries created much of what now is “the Russian world” culturally-religiously-linguistically-architecturally etc.—But the so-called “great” Russians have had a strong phobia about this and have sought to deny this. The “UkroNazis” exist only due to past efforts by “great” Russians to annihilate those so-called “little” Russians, starting with the original “New Russia” colonization program in the 1700s and the latest such effort being in the early 1930s.
As far relations with the “West” it seems historically documentable that in the 9th century and all the way probably until the 1500s when the British began contacts with Russia under Ivan the Terrible,—there existed no significant “Russophobia”—and the northern Crusade conflict was primarily over church and religion,
not ethnicity or nationality. So what happened to change that?
The Ukrainians simply have no great phobia as to the “West” even if not every
aspect of modern “popular Western culture” seems in traditional good taste, though what can be arguably “bad taste” is not the same as “moral sin” or “decadence” or “evil”.
To Anonymous
And you are trolling here on who’s behalf?
Andrei, I believe you wanted to abolish those “anonymous” posts, PLEASE do it, to save us all from this trash!
Excuse my ignorance or foreign policy inadequacies, but describe the 3B+PU for me.
“3B”=3 Baltic States:
*Lithuania
*Latvia
*Estonia
P=Poland
U=Ukraine
The 4 former Soviet republics together with Poland make up the fiercely (rhetoric only) anti-Russian alliance.
Thank you.
As Russian natural gas becomes more expensive and the global economy nears collapse is a vulnerable war-inducing moment.
The five aforementioned countries will be destitute beyond comparison.
@Anonymous
“Question:—All the talk about the advanced new weaponry developed by Russia, but how much of it is really functional, or is it more like those “wonder weapons”
Russia’s new weapons systems – missiles, subs, fighter jets – have been displayed to the world already and you can see them on YouTube. All of them are fully operational. The
On the other hand, the US still tries to produce a hypersonic weapon, the F-35 was declared a failure by its creators themselves with many planes crashing down due to technical failures. US carrier battle groups have been turned into sitting ducks with Russia’s hypersonic weapons. Still you’re bragging here about a US military superiority for which you don’t have any evidence. American may be superior to second or third rate militaries but not to that of Russia.
There’s been some interesting disclosures this week on Infowars –
1 The British Intelligence installed Hitler.
2 Hitler planned to make Edward VIII King of Europe.
3 That NATO did the 1994 Oklahoma City Bombing. Its officers been identified.
SEE 27min into this from yesterday
Removed. Link not working. Mod.
The first point certainly must raise some eyebrows in Moscow.
And when you consider the ships (both cargo & escorts) from UK that were sending war supplies to Murmansk were the leakiest and worse they could find (and why most didnt arrive) it all seems to add up.
But the average Briton was standing side by side with Russia during the war against evil forces.
Even the average German has realized they had been duped – aka the 1944 July Plot which Rommel was involved in.
Its a matter of historical fact UK was also part of the anti USSR force called NATO.
In but in this we need to distinguish which elements in the UK are involved and who in NATO are devils brigade.
Im sure Putin will sort it all out.
I do not think that US and China will go to war over taiwan. Both the sides do not have a control over the escalation ladder, which means that both do not have confidence of winning the war and hence will avoid the conflict. USA has security agreements with taiwan, japan, south korea and australia, due to which US will have to enter the war on behalf of these countries. But the QUAD grouping has India, with which the US does not have any security arrangement and india has also fought a war with china. Border tensions are also running high along the indo-chinese borders and both the sides clashes last year which caused casualties. It would be much easier for US to instigate a war between india and china, since US will not have enter the war on behalf of india and india is powerful enough (at least on paper) to inflict damage to the chinese even if it cannot win the war.
My name is James Gathungu, a resident of Nairobi Kenya. Often I read this Saker blog for its delicious ken- tackling the Russian take on geopolitics with a sweeping richness of both historical and contemporary perspectives. But after reading this particular post, it is easily quite clear that both this Saker guy, as well as most of the commentators currently participating, have truly outdone themselves today. I reckon that if the distinguished President Putin of Russia was not lucky enough to have Shoigu, Lavrov, Gerasimov, Patruschev, and other excellent sons and daughters of Russia, then both this analysis by Andrei and its ensuing commentary singularly offers sufficient insights on which to anchor the next Russian action on its Ukrainian spat with the west.
The only frustration for an outsider from Africa like me is this: blanket dismissal here of the massive value of a unitified Ukraine to Russia. As yet another one of Andrei’s brilliant commentators have also rather correctly pointed out, the breakup of Ethiopia is currently earnestly underway: Ethiopia occupies a very special place in the hearts of all Africans as it was never colonized by no one. Ethiopia’s Sheshamani region also happens to be what Haile Selasie offered the African diaspora as a home to come to should any African anywhere globally fall homesick… Anyone can therefore imagine the utter delight of each and every African everywhere in the world if President Putin were to immediately intervene to restore the integrity of Ethiopia’s traditional boundaries before it is demarcated into yet another Syria. This single act would constitute Russia’s long overdue geopolitical coup endearing Russia to the entire population diaspora of the African continent.
… meanwhile, to return to my main point, what is the real opportunity cost of allowing Ukraine to be broken up, and one part allowed to be abrogated by NATO/the Europeans? Is there a historical precedent? Of course there is: Germany. After WWII, Germany was divided into two… East Germany for the Soviets, and West Germany for the westerners. It is basic history that after the collapse of the USSR, East Germany was absorbed by West Germany, a rather formidable geopolitical victory courtesy of and largely due to the dividends of decades-long Western propaganda. And this could happen to Ukraine some 30 years from now. I would be very surprised if western intellectuals aren’t actually applying a contemporary variation of the East/West Germany script on Ukraine.
That is why I was very impressed by the brilliance of one of yet another of the commentators who very correctly pointed out that it is ridiculous that Russia appears uninterested in a comprehensive win/rout in the ongoing war over the minds and brains of all of Ukraine. If indeed war does break out between Russia and NATO over Ukraine, I hope that the consummate brilliance of President Putin has already incorporated a device that will guarantee the future of a united Ukraine- with all the security, economic and other geopolitical implications to the Russian Federation- in the sphere of Russia rather than in the sphere of Europe… a la East/West Germany, 30 years from now.
Christians are required to engage with “the other”, and at least try to move them towards a moral path. To shun the enemy is the opposite method. Shunning is practiced by many people, including Jews and even Christian sects such as the Amish. Ex-Jews receive the most brutal shunning, not just in the time of Spinoza, but even today.
Engagement is usually the more successful strategy. It’s always the least costly one and doesn’t preclude more robust action if and when engagement fails. So engagement is always the first choice.
I am not ready to claim the Kremlin is applying Jewish ethics and thus perhaps a Jewish strategy because really, I do not know whether the Kremlin is actually failing to speak with the Ukronazis. If I knew which websites the Ukronazis visit, I would have to “look over their shoulders”. It would take a month or more to form a conclusion.
Can anyone tell us if the Kremlin is really forfeiting the opportunity to talk with the Ukrainian nationalists about their obvious failures ? Who can tell us ?
This conversation is going off-topic. Please take to the MFC. Mod.
Speaking of Africa, there is another potential war that should be added to Saker’s list of hotspots above.
This is a war that has been largely ignored by many people.
It’s America-led regime change war against Ethiopia.
Media spreads fake news to fuel US war drive in Ethiopia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfHWCaD6mo&t=7s
It all sounds very logical but what about the prospect of US hypersonic missiles on Russia’s doorstep?
The US seem to be on the verge of deploying their Dark Eagle missile to Germany. And what will prevent them from deploying these missiles farther East? The Dark Eagle appears to be comparable to the Iskander. A sudden decapitation strike against the Russian leadership might be on the cards with it. S-500 to the rescue? Yes, Putin said Russia would have the means defend against whatever hypersonic weapons adversaries could bring up. But can you really base your national security on such a match-up?
If the Donbass republics become enlarged somewhat westward, and a land bridge to Crimea is established, then what prevents NATO from putting missiles everywhere, even inside what’s going to be left of Ukraine after Poland has bitten off its share? The political impetus would surely exist in such a situation. Flight-time to Moscow in the single-digit minutes. The Russians just can’t let it happen.
To speculate wildly, the focus on Ukraine is just a distraction as far as the Russians are concerned. The real plan is to do something decisive about NATO. Make a sudden push into Belorussia with troops now concentrated to the South of Moscow, then on to Kaliningrad, then through Nothern Poland into East Germany as far as the river Elbe and south to the Czech border. Occupy the German territories but let the Poles retain theirs after having passed through it.
That would drive a deep wedge into NATO and surround Poland on two sides.
Crucially, it would lead to a very different political calculation. The immediate costs would be the same – total sanctions – but the strategic benefit would be far greater. Plus, occupying Germans would be a far easier thing to do than occupying Ukrainians with many of them being hardened neo-nazis. Germans have become a very feeble people in these days. Almost all of them would flee to Western Germany and the few who would remain would probably prefer to live under Russian rule than as second-class citizens of Merkelstan, the way in which they currently live. Russia would not even have to develop East Germany economically. It could just keep it a s a giant military base. Propaganda justification would be drawn from Russian’s having fought and died during WWII for Germany never ever to be used as a base against Russia again.
And NS1/2 would be used to supply the area with energy.
Andrei Martyanov has presented his view of project Dark Eagle here:
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/11/expertise-porn-case-of-dark-eagle.html
Basically he says the missile is years away from operationally being deployed.
Here is an infograph of what the platform looks like:
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fcontent-b%2Fmessage-editor%252F1633535206233-usarmyinfographic.jpeg%3Fquality%3D60%3AGBzwJVewmT98BkdZAY8ZL77ec3o&cuid=3446943
The system has two parts; a Battery Operations Center for missile command and control and a mobile missile launcher that consists of a tractor hauling the missile canisters loaded on the attached flatbed trailer. Each canister contains two missiles each.
A reconnaissance satellite would see the appearance of a missile installation but no hypersonic missiles to launch. However, I imagine other types of missile canisters could be brought to bear but the command and control systems would probably have to be reconfigured, I’m guessing.
It is strange that Russian leadership couldn’t predict what is going on.
Nothing can stop NATO putting its nuclear weapons close to Russian border.
This was predictable 20 or 10 years ago.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/theater-absurd-pentagon-demands-russia-explain-troops-russian-soil
Some would say it’s important to critical to consult with your enemies. At least 190 countries that have relations with the US government have attested as such.
With Russia and China, they may they’re being lectured with a wagging finger.
I’ve been alive long enough and somewhat well-read to distinguish between good [Russia} and evil [US].
I hope the Russian leadership makes it relatively painless for North America. It’s either that or a COVID booster or a gain of function ebola virus. Under either scenario, most Westerners likely have less than 4 years.
The US are going straightforward to a blind alley, in a situation even worse than the one they underwent in the 1960s and 1970s. China and Russia are much stronger than them, even individually, let alone united together. The DPRK is capable of striking the Americans also without Russia and China’s backing, since it possess every kind of ultra-modern strategical weapons: BRBMs, SRBMs, IRBMs, SLBMs and ICBMs, A and H bombs, teleguided rockets, ultrasonic missiles which it can even launch from railways; a few days ago they successfully test-fired the Hwasong-8 missile. Biden should be aware not raising his feeble voice with the DPRK.
I don’t think Russia will make the same mistake as, the USA and Russia formerly in Afghanistan. The USA is too dumb to realize that nation building doesn’t work. In every case, Viet Nam and Afghanistan, they’re too dumb to realize they can’t hold a nation against their will and in time the USA will leave and they’ll take their country back.
While the USA has spent trillions of dollars, trying to nation build, Russia and China, have spent their money more prudently and improving their weapons of war.
Taiwan is a different situation than Afghanistan. Afghanistan did not want to be a US occupied territory. Taiwan on the other hand, desperately wants to maintain it’s independence from China and has seen what has happened in Hong Kong. Taiwanese will fight very hard to maintain their independence and will be willing confederates in the defence of their liberties and freedoms. Taiwan doesn’t need any inspiration. They’re already inspired.
With regard to Ukraine, If war were to occur in Ukraine, I believe Russia would step in and devastate the area, and then simply withdraw and leave the West with the mess to clean up, which I think the West would be very reluctant to do given that their effort there didn’t accomplish anything and the EU and USA, again have failed in their nation building schemes. The West is to stupid, to realize they’re going down this same idiotic path again and they just can’t help themselves.
Russia is fully aware, it’s not about holding land any more, like the old imperialist idea. If there’s war with Ukraine, Russia will simply use that to reestablish a buffer zone once again, like there used to be in the Soviet era, so that armies are not directly opposite each other and they’d have more advanced warning in case of attack. That’s my opinion.
None of these scenarios seem very likely to me. Surely these NATO “allies” don’t expect the gas to keep flowing if they take a direct role in military action in Ukraine? So that leaves the USA and the UK. Russia already chased off a UK boat, and by some accounts disabled a US destroyer. They’re sitting ducks anyway. Let them spend their treasure sailing around aimlessly. Wars are often won by attrition.
Speaking of attrition, same goes for Ukraine. If they manifest hostility, remove the threat from a distance, Israeli style. As long as there’s an unresolved internal conflict, they can’t join NATO anyway, not without a change in NATO’s charter, and how likely is that? Meanwhile, the economy shrinks and the flow of emigrants continues, with Russia gaining new Russians (an oft stated goal), and the EU getting whoever else wants out and can afford it. Those that stay, mostly farmers, will have increased control over local affairs as the central government fades to irrelevance outside the main cities. Basically the same stalemate as you have with Moldova and the PDR, just on a larger scale. That’s Russia’s best option. Do the same thing they’ve been doing all along: Nothing (well, nothing overt anyway).
Russia should go for broke now or face a death of a thousand cuts. Nato’s plan is obvious with the USA wanting to rule the world. Don’t let the Nazis do another 1942.