Some brighteyed and crazy some frightened and lost
A warning to anyone still in command
Of their possible future to take care
On July 1st I wrote a short piece entitled “Novorussia – Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and settle for anything in the middle” in which I looked at the various possible outcomes of what appeared to be an imminent and massive Ukie attack on Novorussia. I think that now is a good time to look back and what happened in the past 40 days and compare it with the possible outcomes.
Life somewhere in the middle
First, the best possible outcome which I summarized like this: Hope for the best is easy: the Novorussian resistance beats back the Nazi forces. That clearly did not happen and, frankly, that was the most unlikely outcome. However, I have to note here that the destruction of the “Southern Cauldron” is a huge success for the Resistance which, I think, took most people by surprise.
Then, here is how I described the worst possible outcome:
But what is the worst which can happen?
The worst which can happen is that a lot of Novorussian defenders get killed, that the towns of Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, Krasnyi Liman and others will get basically flattened and most of their inhabitants killed, that the road between Donetsk and Lugansk gets cut-off by the Ukies and that Ukie forces enter deep inside these two cities. I have to be honest here, there is a pretty good chance that all of the above will happen in the next 24 hours.
Superficially, it might look that this is very close to what actually happened. Except, of course, that instead of happening in 24 hours, it took the Ukies 40 days to achieve this result. Then, please consider the following “details”:
- The Donetsk-Luganks road has not been cut-off yet, but it is threatened, no doubt here. But the Ukies are afraid to fall into a trap and being surrendered again. So even if their forces have entered a few towns on that axis, they also had to withdraw back to their positions.
- All the combats are taking place on the suburban periphery of these cities and no Ukie forces have entered Luganks or Donetsk proper. Yes, they are mercilessly shelling these cities, but that is out of frustration because they are clearly unable to actually punch through the defensive lines of the Resistance.
- The destruction of the Southern Cauldron has opened 165km of border between Novorussia and Russia and that means that far from being able to cut-off the Resistance from Russia, the junta is now in control of even less crucial border crossings.
In fact, these are not details, but crucial elements of the overall strategic picture. Of course, civilians are paying a horrible price for the junta’s lack of real military success, and this kind of horror will continue for as long as the West will fully back Poroshenko’s war. The Ukies have shelled random buildings, kindergartens, churches and even hospitals. Sadly, this is par for the course, this is what the USA did in Serbia and Montenegro, this is what the Israelis did to Lebanon in 2006 and this is what they are doing to Gaza now. Still, terrible as these atrocities are, we should not mistake them for some kind of junta military success, quite to the contrary.
In July, I also looked at the very real possibility that the junta’s deathsquads would actually enter Donetsk and/or Luganks. I wrote:
Even if Poroshenko announces that Donetsk and Lugansk have “fallen”, this will be only a empty statement on par with Dubya’s “mission accomplished”. What will *really* happen is that the type of warfare taking place will change. Not only will it change, but the new (urban) type of warfare will almost completely negate the current huge advantage in aviation, artillery and armor of the Ukie side. So if these cities “fall” – please do not despair.
Apparently, the Resistance did not have to give up defense in what the military calls “mixed terrain” (vegetation, small villages, natural obstacles) nor did it have to retreat deep inside the urban areas to negate the huge junta advantages in hardware and manpower. So even though this kind of “the worst did not happen” news does not make for good headlines, it is very important, especially when we consider the bigger picture.
The race against time
The war in the Ukraine has now turned into a pure race against time. If we assume that the junta has an infinite amount of time available to crush the Resistance then we can only conclude that the Resistance will be completely wiped out. No matter how much covert aid comes from Russia, the junta is sitting on top of huge stores of old, but still usable, weapons systems. The junta also has an immense reservoir of manpower. So no matter how heroically and skillfully the Resistance fights, on the long-run it simply cannot win. Even if we assume that the Ukie forces in the Donbass are brought to a total standstill by the Resistance, it is one thing to defend yourself against an attacker and quite another to mount a successful offensive. So even if the Ukies are beaten back around Donetsk, this hardly means that Strelkov can launch a counter-attack on Kiev. No matter how you slice it, in the long run the Ukies win.
Furthermore, according to many sources the Ukies have learned how to fight, even if they learned that at a huge cost in lives. A month or two ago we had a war of clueless conscripts versus mostly older but combat trained Resistance fighters. This has now changed. Of course, the Ukies have suffered terrible casualties, and they still are, but there are increasing signs that those who survived have learned their lesson the hard way and that they are much harder to defeat than in the past.
However, there are many reasons why the Ukies do not have that much time.
- The first colds of winter will arrive in a month or so, followed by winter.
- The Ukies economy is coasting to a full halt (expected around September-October).
- The EU has just realized that the retaliatory sanctions imposed by Russia will be both extremely costly and politically divisive.
- The true story of MH17 will continue to leak out in one way or another
- The Ukie elites are already fighting each other pretty openly.
- The constant massacres by the Ukie death squads are becoming harder and harder to hide.
For all these reasons, Poroshenko had his sponsors badly need victory soon, something to show that the regime is not hapless and that Uncle Sam’s will “be done on earth as it is in heaven”. Conversely, every passing day makes an (unlikely but always possible) Russian military intervention less politically costly. Bottom line is this: time is on Russia’s side, but not on Novorussia’s side. For the Novorussians, the crisis is severe, the horrors a daily fact of life, and the hardship harder and harder. Still, the Novorussian Resistance has done better, even much better, then what I had feared and that should be recognized.
Russian options short of over military intervention
Still, since we don’t know how close either side here is to its breaking point, it appears that the situation remains very fluid, very unstable and very dangerous. I continue to think that Russian must do more to make sure that the Novorussians do not get run over (especially considering their lack of operational depth, this could happen in, literally a period of 24 hours).
First, Russia should increase its covert military, financial and technical aid, and she should probably also switch its official stance from “declared non-intervention” to “limited intervention on the basis of humanitarian grounds”. At the very least, if the US and its colonies could gather a conference of so-called “Friends of Syria”, Russia should consider political moves to help ease the pressure on Novorussia. The BRICS countries and the members of the SCO could declare an emergency based on the humanitarian situation in the Rostov region. And if the US wants to consider a humanitarian mission as an “intervention” so be it! Who cares about what the US might say? At this point the US has said it all and to pretend like the next statement from the “crazies” makes a difference in the real world is pointless, I think.
Second, now that Russia has imposed economic sanctions on the EU Russia should clearly spell out to her “EU partners” that these sanctions will remain for as long as the EU keeps acting like “Uncle Sam’s bitch“. While officially these sanctions are a retaliatory measure against US/EU sanctions, I am convinced that their real purpose is not to respond to the rather lame US/EU sanctions, but to punish the EU and to use it to break the total EU subservience to the USA. This is why Russia chose to use sectoral sanctions, sanctions which would very precisely hit the most subservient US colonies (Poland, Lithuania) and, at the same time, the most rebellious US colonies (Greece, France, Spain). Furthermore, Russia will now be re-directing billions of its dollars/rubles away from those countries which supported Uncle Sam to those who did not. Argentina, Brazil, China, and others are now openly celebrating the signing of huge contracts with Russia. That, in turn, means that these countries will gradually have a bigger and bigger personal interest in keeping relations with Russia excellent which, in turn, will give Russia more and more political clout. The BBC has reported today that “EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso has told Russia’s Vladimir Putin not to carry out unilateral military action in eastern Ukraine under any pretext“. This is a perfect example of what Nikolai Starikov has called a “the boorish attitude towards Russia as a guilty child, who must be punished and taught a lesson“. Who the hell does Barroso think that he is? There is a full-scale war and a massive humanitarian disaster right on Russia’s doorstep and that Portuguese bureaucrat thinks that he can tell Russia what she can do or not do?! Russian sanctions need to teach Barroso and the likes of him a good lesson in pain to make them understand that a tiny dog like them better not bark at a bear. The EU needs to be taught some basic manners and this is, I am quite sure, a central element of the Russian sanctions policy.
The next crucial months
So this will all come to head in the next few months. First, Novorussia must absolutely hold. Neither Donetsk nor Lugansk can be allowed to fall. If that is achieved, then the “season of pain” will begin in earnest for Banderastan and the EU neither of which can afford what is about to hit them. One this process begins, Russia will have the option to just relax and watch the bovine excreta hit the proverbial fan, in Kiev and Brussels. Then we will see what these Europatriots are really made out of.
But first and foremost, Novorussia must hold.
The Saker
Headline on Zerohedge !!:
Putin Defies Western Warning, Will Send “Aid Convoy” To East Ukraine
“Following days of loud warnings by the West that Putin should not take any moves to send “humanitarian” aid into East Ukraine, due to western fears that this would be merely a pretext for invasion, Putin said on Monday that Russia will go ahead and send an aid convoy to eastern Ukraine anyway.” I hope it will happen right now…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine
There might be another point to consider, I think. The Novorussian resistance is sort of Europe’s life insurance. Were they vanquished a victorious Poroshenk might attack Crimea and involve NATO into this. And that would mean a big war, a very big war, maybe the last war.
The US wont have until end of the year. The 80 Trillion in US$ floating around is going to get clobbered much sooner and they are desperate. In war you can do many thing that is not possible otherwise like freezing Russians US$ holdings. They also can not freeze people moving money out of their US$ to other assets and any move to freeze it would instantly shut down the US financial system crashing the empire. The black swan events are all over the horizon, control is like someone on drugs who keeps taking more and more to keep their hands from shaking but you can clearly see it tremble. 2008 vaporised 10 trillion US$’s.. 2015 would probably take out 30-40 trillion.. Hence the massive conversion of US$ to fixed houses on park avenue and london which are doing wonderfully.. The US mint just sold 30 coiins for 300K US$’s.. Looking at Gold and Oil, the PTP is putting everything they have into it, volatility is at its lowest in a century as if we had peace for the last 50 years. Its just amazing that no one is paying for risk and it is non-existant.. We dont know when something will break but it is now to the point that when something breaks, the dam will burst and no one will be able to contain it unlike 2008.
Got Gun? Got Food? Got Water?? They will be worth their weight in gold..
End game: DNR is going to be wiped-out. LDR will get a lesser defeat. Why? Because Russia simply bowed this morning to Porochenko’s vision of “humanitarian aid”. No russian peacekeepers, no russian lead, no nothing… And for what? New negociations on Ukraine’s gaz debt in september…
Just cross fingers that Ukes vote on cutting off gus from Russia tomorrow and blame it on ruskis who like to eat kluskis. That push VP to act perheps although that durak is so spineless covard that who knows he can swollow another dose of shit. He must like it. Long Live Doniecka Republica and Luganskaya Narodnaya Republica. You heroes.Spit on those s.o.b. ruskis bastards.
Re: “First, Russia should increase its covert military, financial and technical aid,… “
Are you fairly sure that Russia is providing cover aid ? Reports from the NAF front often contain complaints that it isn’t.
If we take aside moral and strategic reasons for not letting Novorossiya fall, there is a long-term economic need: fracking. Fracking is a clear threat to the Russian economy which is largely dependent on energy exports. I would think that the Russians would not just “hand over” shale rich eastern Ukraine to the very people who want to destroy their country. To those who say that Russia no longer cares about Novorossiya, remember, money always speaks.
On another note, when the MH17 propaganda machine was in full overdrive here in Britain, I’d noticed people were especially sceptical about what was presented by the BBC (they pounded about the the crash from an emotional angle). I would suggest that anyone who wants to get the truth out should start on the doubts a person may have against the media or government and work from there to explain the plight of those in eastern Ukraine. For example, I just started a conversation with “I feel we are being lied to like that of the WMDs of Iraq or the chemical weapons in Syria – something just doesn’t add up”…and then just follow the flow of the conversation. People may well be media-conditioned, but even the smallest doubt will eat away at a lie.
I advice everybody to read what the hieromonk had to say before the Malaysian plane was shot down. That was prophecy. Study his words carefully. Do you understand repentance? We all need to change our ways. Day by day, year by year, a little at a time. Being a Christian doesn’t mean you must start a big new project, it means _NOT_ doing what you did before. “Thou shalt not”. “Not-doing” is much more difficult than trying to convert the whole village and yet it must be done.
http://souloftheeast.org/2014/08/08/a-call-to-repentance/
Also take a look at what Colonel Cassad has to say about the involvement of Mr K., whose name I don’t want to put in writing.
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-facebook-account-hacked-the-boeing-downed-by-junta.html
I am unable to understand how Mr K. thinks. He is a little younger than I am, but he should know his time on earth is limited. I certainly do. Every day. Does he not understand he will be judged like all of us? That he can’t take his money with him when it is time to go? He likes to feed his sharks, he has them in his office, and he interferes in Ukraine, as if he were a robber baron of the Middle Ages. I wonder what pious Jews think of him and others, who also are responsible for the crisis.
The civil war in Ukraine has become a heavy burden. An emotional burden and many of you will understand. I look at the war, the media situation in the US/EU, the deteriorating economy and much more. I see a big war like no other previous war. Much worse than the Cold War and it will go on for years whatever happens in Ukraine. This spiritual war manifests itself in cruelties on the ground in Ukraine, serious economic warfare and an information war, the like of which may never have existed before, as best as I can tell. Media outlets in the US/EU were not this uniform 40 years ago when I relied on shortway radio from several countries.
Well looks like Putin is going in, at last with aid convoys.
After all that has happened i´m just ashamed of being part of the EU. I wish my country (Austria) would finally turn their back on the “European Union” and get out there.
source:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GA0C620140811
I am an indigenous of one of the most rebellious colonies of the Empire.
President Putin should put more sanctions to our Zionisy occupied government; no Russian should come as a tourist.
The majority of Greeks is Russian friendly, like after 1821, like always.
The society is almost collapsed; soon there will be a burstout; sooner if a catalyst emerges.
Our “politicians” are merely puppets; our elites not trustworthy and corrupted.
As we get closer to the endgame Russia and President Putin should play sincerely with Greeks;no more Orloffs.
FREEDOM for Humanity!!!
The cyberkut has hacked into the facebook account of kolomoyskis assistant, Svyatoslav Oliynyk , and loaded transcripts onto the internet that prove beyond doubt that the downing of Malaysian airlines flight MH17 was a carefully pre planned operation.
Below is an excerpt from the transcripts :
Anatoliy Gritsenko
19.07.2014 09:15
Anatoliy Gritsenko
Slava! What the hell?! What have you bitches done? How could you upload that video the day before the operation???!!! Do you understand that the «Russists» have already given it for the expert review and requested Youtube for the date of its very first upload???
Anatoliy Gritsenko
19.07.2014 09:17
Anatoliy Gritsenko
And those idiots who were at the desk in Kharkiv? HAVE YOUR MEMORY FAILED?! I don’t get how they are caught by our guys on the board with Crimea, while that were your people who had to detain them??? As I can see you and your boss are completely fucking brazen in your Dniprojewivsk!!! Pedro will tear you into pieces!!!! I WILL TEAR YOU BY MYSELF!!!
AND TAKE THE PHONE WHEN I CALL!!!
The full story and other leaked discussions can be read in the link below:
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-facebook-account-hacked-the-boeing-downed-by-junta.html
Saker,
Well said!
Too much blood and suffering to let it go.
Holding the line is imperative.
Several more months and the pain destroys the Junta, EU solidarity, US arrogance and NATO wet dreams.
119-Day War: Kiev Orders 1.5 Million Civilians To Flee Ahead Of Final Onslaughtt
National Radio Company of Ukraine
August 11, 2014
Ukrainian troops are preparing for the final stage of the operation in Donetsk
This was announced by the National Security and Defense Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko.
According to him, the vanguard of Ukrainian army completely blocked connections between Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Now Ukrainian military prepare for operation to liberate the two cities.
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Interfax-Ukraine
August 11, 2014
Army to continue advancement in east Ukraine, residents should leave – NSDC
The anti-terrorist operation in east Ukraine will not be stopped, and it will be best if residents leave Donetsk and Luhansk, Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC), has said.
“The anti-terrorist operation will continue. Peaceful residents should leave the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk just before these are freed,” Lysenko said at a Monday briefing.
Each city has humanitarian corridors through which the dangerous zone can be left, he said.
The Ukrainian army needs to continue its advancement in order to prevent militants from re-grouping…
http://rt.com/news/179496-lavrov-humanitarian-corridor-agreed/
A start may be
“Who the hell does Barroso think that he is?”
He thinks he is bitch in chief to Uncle Sam and that if he dances to the American tune he will die a rich man. And he is dead right. It is the American system of sticks and carrots to control its satellites a.k.a. bribery and corruption.
Ciao Saker..
Se puoi dire di più su questa notizia che circola da noi, su Comedonchisciotte Italia.
Copio-incollo
(AGI) – Kiev, 11 ago.- Blindato il confine ucraino, i russi hanno schierato un vero e proprio esercito di 45.000 soldati con carri armati, batterie missilistiche anti-aeree, jet da guerra ed elicotteri d’attacco al confine con l’Ucraina. Lo ha denunciato il portavoce dell’esercito ucraino. Secondo il portavoce delle forze armate ucraine, Andriy Lysenko, i russi hanno subito oltre confine “circa 45.000 soldati”, con 160 carri armati, 1.360 trasporti truppe blindati, 390 cannoni, 150 lanciatori di missili Grad, 192 aerei da guerra e 137 elicotteri d’attacco. Se la notizia trovera’ conferma indipendente si tratta di fatto di una potenziale forza d’invasione completa. Il presidente Vladimir Putin si rechera’ in Crimea, questa settimana, insieme al premier Dmitri Medvedev e gran parte del parlamento russo per una visita che, secondo fonti governative, vuole lanciare un “messaggio politico”: dimostrare che la penisola sul Mar Nero e’ ormai parte integrante della Russia, nonostante le minacce di Kiev e le sanzioni occidentali. Come ha scritto oggi il quotidiano Vedomosti, l’incontro di Putin e Medvedev con i deputati russi e’ previsto giovedi’ a Yalta.
Come ha riferito al giornale il portavoce del vice primo ministro Arkadi Dvorkovich, vi e’ la possibilita’ che vi partecipino anche i vicepremier Olga Golodets, con delega alle questioni sociali, e Dmitri Kozak, incaricato proprio della Crimea. Fonti governative hanno dichiarato alla Reuters che alla riunione con il capo di Stato saranno presenti la maggior parte dei deputati della Duma, la camera bassa del parlamento russo. Il partito di governo Russia Unita si riunira’ in Crimea gia’ da oggi per discutere il programma e fino a mercoledi’ i suoi membri incontreranno gli abitanti locali e i rappresentanti delle categorie professionali, ha scritto Vedomosti. Secondo l’agenzia Rbc, Putin incontrera’ anche i maggiori rappresentanti del mondo della cultura russo e della Crimea per discutere di finanziamenti al settore e dell'”integrazione della penisola nello spazio culturale russo”.
Una fonte di Russia Unita ha spiegato alla Reuters che “il messaggio principale del viaggio sara’ politico: mostrare che la Crimea e’ parte integrante della Federazione e da questo non si torna indietro”. La stessa fonte ha poi riferito che i temi in agenda saranno sia di politica estera – con le sanzioni occidentali e la risposta russa – che interna – con le questioni legate al bilancio federale, al welfare e allo sviluppo della Crimea. Citato da Vedomosti, il politologo e membro di Russia Unita Dmitri Orlov ha spiegato che, in questo contesto, da Putin “ci si aspetta un discorso significativo e l’annuncio di iniziativi legislative”. “Il fatto stesso che tutti si riuniranno in Crimea mettera’ in evidenza l’integrazione della regione nel contesto russo”, ha poi aggiunto.
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http://www.agi.it/estero/notizie/ucraina_45_000_soldati_russi_pronti_all_attacco-201408111732-est-rt10110
Is it really the case that the Ukros had all this equipment from the start? I doubt it. I remember in the early stages they didn’t seem to have much of anything, at least not much that was working. Now there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of EVERYTHING. In those early days I remember there were various reports of large quantities of equipment making their way through Austria and Hungary. Are we sure they haven’t been receiving tons of goods from Europe?
Dario Alok 17:58
A good move – bringing in the Red Cross and EU representatives to see the infrastructure damage caused by the Ukrainians and to deal with the citizens affected. Should any Nazi Ukraine hero even hint at attacking anywhere the convoy wishes to go, then Putin has a green light for military protection. They might even want to drop by the filtration camp east of Donetsk.
In the great battle don’t let us die without leaving a trace behind
Those who have fallen in honour for an idea
Their names in our victory songs
Shall become sacred to millions of people
To a battle bloody
Holy and Just
March, march forward
Working people
As Zero Hedge points out:
“It goes without saying that all it would take for a full blown escalation, one that not even the algo-driven market could ignore, would be a Russian casualty operating in Ukraine under a ‘humanitarian’ umbrella, whether legitimate or due to a ‘false flag’ attack, before the facade of artificial stability on Ukraine’s east border crumbles and what was until now a civil war morphs into a full-blown international conflict.“
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine
Question: so, if Kiev indeed wants to drag Russia into the conflict, they just “accidentally” shell one of the Russian humanitarian convoys, and then what happens … ?
Saker, your July analysis was indeed spot-on. (Watch the anonymi now clamor that you’re a “Putin operative”, sigh). The tactical situation is much worse for the Ukies now, the operation situation still hangs in the balance – and could be tipped in their favor if they somehow manage to seize Novorossia – but the *strategic* situation has completely shifted in Russia’s favor. Which is why I don’t think Moscow will let Novorossia fall.
Apparently Putin issued an ultimatum: humanitarian aid to Lugansk from Russia, within [48] hours. Now the rats are scrambling to jump on the ship and spin it as a political victory, i.e., Obama, Merkel, Poroshenko, the EU, the Red Cross. The humanitarian aid is the first official Russian Federation support to Novorussia. This will put reverse pressure on Kiev’s hostilities and free some militia for Donetsk. Remember: Donetsk and Lugansk city can hold out for a year under sustained siege. In the meantime, the rest of Ukraine is a terror state, truly a Nazi state now – and I bet you that all this time drawing the army in to a small space and destroying it, focusing the eyes of the world intensely, has not been wasted in developing partisan capabilities elsewhere. Not to mention which the formidable infiltration of every layer of Ukraine governement and societ which the Russian Federation has had in place for decades.
I agree with the poster above who suggests that guns, food and water may be worth their weight in gold by this winter.
Barroso thinks that he is the proud emperor of an empire.
“Barroso: European Union is ’empire'”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ralocq9uE
According to http://www.BBC.co.uk
“Ukraine and Russia ‘agree’ to aid mission to Luhansk”
(11 August 2014 Last updated at 19:05)
Aside from Russia, who else could put together a humanitarian mission quickly?
While Russia is prepared to offer humanitarian aid – and promises not to simultaneously invade – who would deny humanitarian aid to the residents of Lugansk?
RIA NOVOSTI tweet 9:29 PM – 11 Aug 2014:
Russian convoy with humanitarian aid will depart to Eastern Ukraine shortly without any military escort – Kremlin spokesman
Saker, I think what you’ve said in this article is that truth and right will prevail. And you’ve given a lot of concrete reasons for believing this. That which is false and wrong will collapse of its own accord. I share your faith.
While officially these sanctions are a retaliatory measure against US/EU sanctions, I am convinced that their real purpose is not to respond to the rather lame US/EU sanctions, but to punish the EU and to use it to break the total EU subservience to the USA.
To take this a bit further, given Russia’s propensity for strategy (versus the West’s for tactics masquerading as strategy), I wonder if there isn’t an even greater goal in mind: the fracturing of the Med PIIGS (or at least Greece and perhaps Italy) from the Eurozone and maybe even the eventual dissolution of the zone entirely. Immediately the result could be greater leeway in trading with the “breakaway” nation(s) and perhaps financial assistance to Greece which would be necessary to bridge the transition to the drachma. This might further require a security arrangement; Merkel had made intimations of “war in Europe” before, which could be interpreted as a threat as opposed to prognostication. Perhaps a Russian security guarantee could be backed by the leasing of naval base? Irrespective of the military angle, this theory makes at least superficial sense given Russia’s sovereigntist leanings.
This all may be a stretch (for example, would a Russian base in Greece even be technically practical, strategically useful, or politically viable?) but thought I would put it out there for debate and criticism.
Maybe this is an explanation:
http://pravosudija.net/article/konec-proektov-novorossiya-i-samostiyna-ukrayina
It is in Russian, so I will post a translation in my next comment
N-V
Let’s hope that humanitarian corridor is opened up soon with full international participation and delivering the thing it purports to – humanitarian aid.
The destruction of basic infrustructure in Luganst is a war crime against the civilians and they would be in dire need of help. Also with full international participation, Russia can show the world a legitimate act well removed from the Empire’s version of humanitarian aid which we all know for the war mongering that it is.
The supplies proportedly supplied by NATO to Kharkov also comprised of Javalin Anti Tank shoulder fired missiles. A convow was ambushed today in the Kharkov region with the NFA capturing a truck load of the weapons.
My thoughts and prayers are for the people of Novo Rossiya and for their self determination as also with the creating of more self autonomous governed people the word over. Free from oligarchy, tyrany but build with respect, honesty and sustainable existance.
Justin.
End of project “Novorissia” and “Independent Ukraine”
Part 1 of translation
The main problem of the DPR and the LPR was they were relativly, legitimate. The main source of funding of military operations in Ukraine – is Europe. If the United States had to pay, they immediately would remember that the vast majority of their population is not able to find Ukraine on the map.
Despite the pressure on them, the Europeans nevertheless perceived some institutions of power in South-East of Ukraine as oppressed minority, which pursue their rights, and sought to bring the warring parties to the negotiating table. Thus, the continuation of the conflict in its current form has steadily led to a political solution – and this is the last thing that suited both Americans and the Kremlin.
In the event of such an outcome, transnational corporations would have lost part as of today, undivided, control of the government in Kiev, and their private military companies – a constant source of solid income
Russia received next door one more “suitcase without a handle”, like the Republic of South Ossetia or the Pridnestovskaia Moldavian Republic. In this scenario, over the Kremlin hangs a threat that all in Kiev would calm down, a government that stops territorial claims to Crimea would come to power – and Ukraine will be admitted to NATO.
The witty joke that Vladimir Putin, appointed to oversee the “project Novorossia” V.Y. Surkov, contained only a fraction of a joke. In 1935, Stalin explained: “We need to understand that under our present conditions” the personnel decides everything “- and the current Russian president never scatter personnel, even some very exotic. Indeed, one of his favorite books says, “Keep your friends close, enemies closer” – and this maxim again proved its relevance.
As a result of hard work of American advisers all Ukraine reminds casually tighten fagots, and for its reliable ignition Novorossiya utopia is not for more than a wet log, while the American and Russian customers require dry forewood.
However, what does make chips, if not a log? Chop, chop, and dry by the fire. When DPR and LNR lose their buildings and premises, quasi-government and quasi-parliament, the armed forces of the former ministries of defense will divide in a countless number of guerrilla groups, through united in one way or another resistance movement, they will bring the war to the enemy – and flared all Ukraine .
August 11, 2014 – 18:59
Website PRAVOSUDIYA.NET:
http://pravosudija.net/article/konec-proektov-novorossiya-i-samostiyna-ukrayina
N-V
Part 2 of translation
It would be then when Europe will get caught. In today’s language all guerrillas, and any resistance movement called terrorists – and let only dare NATO allies refuse to contribute to the war against terror. Especially because it is not necessary to send troops, and not something else foolish like winning or otherwise solve the problem. Under the pretense of “war on terrorism” they have to give money, and nothing more is required. Skillfully – one can warm one”s hands on every fire, and some Americans are able to do it.
Donetsk is already surrounded, and the private military entered the city. Against them, as in Slovyansk militias have no chance – and then Lugansk follows. As long as in Donetsk and Lugansk are militias, Americans will not let Ukrainian troops in, so all would not get killed – no matter who wins. Customers equally not satisfied with the loss of the Ukrainian army, and the destruction of the militia.
In fact we are talking about “iraqization” of Ukraine. By the way, the news agency, it seems, has not yet reported that trained and armed by the Americans, as if against Assad – the “Islamic state” army is already a few kilometers from the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, Erbil. Much worse armed Peshmerga appealed to NATO to supply them with sophisticated weapons – and the Americans agreed. However, at the last moment the decision was hacked by Germany, which feared that as a result Turkish Kurdistan would be set on fire. I mention this just by the way.
Ukrainians had played in the orchestra pit, accompanying on Stalin’s organ – and then take to the catwalk bows. Dried kindling fire militia will scatter all over Ukraine, which will flare up in the coming months. Guerrillas do not win wars, but the Army don”t defeat the guerrillas. Therefore, the whole story can last indefinitely. For example, while Brussels is not tired to print euros.
Theoretically, Russia could still intervene, but the Kremlin shrug: why? Russian intervention would entail the appeal of the Ukrainian president to the American president, and in turn the appeal of the NATO allies. As a result, Russia will really break up with the Europeans, and then a political solution will be found, which will result in the integration into the NATO of Central and Western Ukraine in one form or another. Is it not better just help a little Americans to burn this country down? After all, “the sovereign will of the Ukrainian people” is created by all kinds of Voice of America.
August 11, 2014 – 18:59
Website PRAVOSUDIYA.NET:
http://pravosudija.net/article/konec-proektov-novorossiya-i-samostiyna-ukrayina
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There is more than just the R2P humanitarian aspect to Russia’s stance. I think the continuation of the Chemical plant attack stories today with the actual shelling of the Horlivka factory is significant. Tass spelt it out “an disaster with ramifications beyond Ukraine’s borders.
A truly toxic mix of chemically killed RF citizens, mass casualties in Novorossiya, plus new revelations re MH17 could make a brew that many EU politicians would find hard to condemn. The US of course will support Kiev irrespective of what they do and so should simply be ignored.
If what RIA Novosti are saying is correct and there will be no military escort then the Ukrainians are going to need to be very careful indeed.
No matter what bluster might emanate from the capitals of the western alliance, an unescorted convoy that gets shot at will signal the opening of a Russian military move.
I am certain that any convoy will be totally humanitarian, will carry no weapons and no military personnel. It will be squeaky clean. Such a convoy will be similar to those from the UK to the former Yugoslavia back in the day.
The convoy will be a trap for the unwary.
Again, this is chess.
Rapid fire impressions after rapid read. Saker, you write, “If we assume that the junta has an infinite amount of time available to crush the Resistance then we can only conclude that the Resistance will be completely wiped out.” Countering your own contention or hypothesis – i.e. that the resistance is running out of time – you then point to various factors, equally reasonable and thought through. But I beg to differ on one point. While Poroschenko may, as you say, deperately need a victory soon, his sponsors do not. They are happy to see the wound fester (i.e. prolong times indefinitely, a principle – I suspect – of low intensity warfare), and if Poroschenko ‘melts’, i.e. is dispensed with/falls, so be it. It wouldn’t be the first time, nor are replacements hard to find. The AZs couldn’t give a damn about either Poroschenko or whether ‘it’ takes 1 year, 3 or 10. And that ‘it’ (that goal) might mean weakening Putin’s Russia, stimying Eurasia and/or China and/or EU, or quite simply genocide and landgrabbing for gas, à la Zionist entity, or bringing the Khazars back to Khazaristan, again à la Zionist entity, or whatever. They are beyond any specific goal since what’s important is the general enabling direction of events. It makes no difference, and certainly not this or that tactical victory – that the war, for the present go on. The AZs can settle for that. What counts for them is the general enabling direction of events. If people get in the way, they say ‘kill them’.
I am convinced that their real purpose is not to respond to the rather lame US/EU sanctions, but to punish the EU and to use it to break the total EU subservience to the USA.
there is another very important aspect : it is the first but also decisive step to build a “war economy”
Saker:
NAF needs a near term offensive plan.
They are currently holding and contesting 260 km of front between Marynivka on the border, Donetsk, and the Seversky Donets north of Alchevsk. The final 80 km of front is static north of Lugansk because the Ukrainians lack the brigdades to fight.
Ukraine has 2 Tank Brigades (1st and 17th), 8 Mechanized Brigades (24th, 28th, 30th, 51st, 72nd, 92nd, 93rd, 128th), 3 Airborne Brigades (25th, 79th, 95th).
The Southern Cauldron debacle essentially put out of comission the 24th, 72nd, and 79th, while the 25th has been significantly damaged by a variety of actions. The 17th and 92nd sit in reserve.
They can actually shorten their front through an attack to Mariupol, Melitopol and Zaporizhia. The would need to hold two river crossings of the Dnipr near Kherson and 2 in Zaporizhia and just a 200 km front from the Dnipr to the Seversky Donets. The shortening comes from using the enormous barrier of the Dnipr as the front.
I know this type of operation seems preposterous with the forces available, but I’m sure the advance of ISIS through Iraq did also. I think enough forces would be freed for such an operation by closing a new pocket on the border southeast from Donetsk along the river to Komsomlske to fully destroy the Southern Operational Group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If this can be accomplished, the 1st and 28th can be faced north of Lugansk and the 30th, 93rd, and 95th from Donetsk to Alchevsk, while the south is open for a dash to Zapoizhia. This would force the remaining Ukrainian groups to stretch with the offensive, giving the opportunity to push them back to the Donetsk border and a line to the Dnipr. Possibly even they could be pushed out of Lugansk clear to the Krasnopilske Reservoir. The NAF then gains the recruiting capability of the Russian population all along the Azov and direct access to Crimea. This would be an ideal position to be in by the end of the year, with Strelkov in winter quarters in Zaporizhia.
Most of all though, the NAF needs an advance to give fence-sitters and opportunity to join the “winning” team.
re – the aid convoy
The news I have seen describes it as a joint Russia – EU – Red Cross endeavour. If so, negotiations to establish this cooperation would have been happening for some days previous – exactly when NATO and Powers et al began talking up an imminent Russian invasion on the pretext of a humanitarian mission. The story -Associated Press- also says that Poroshenko had a call with Obama and was told to accept the convoy. Maybe some cooler heads are intervening now.
“…”EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso has told Russia’s Vladimir Putin not to carry out unilateral military action in eastern Ukraine under any pretext”. …”
Well, there is that little wild card Saker mentioned a while back, RF could acknowledge sovereignty. Then it wouldn’t be the fiction known by some as Ukraine anymore. They did have a referendum.
Putin may wish for Europa to howl….
Like Agamemnnon howl for Achilles
Europe are the dupe whores in all this
they are the ones who think Nazi days and Russia
can co exist.
A cruel cold winter and business sorrows from sanctions
Would serve Russia…we told you so….type thing
East Ukraines fighters shine like the brave of Syria
problem is…Syrias people are decided mostly…except the fickle
Kurds
East Ukraine should have 200,000 bitching for a gun or ATGM
but they don’t!…they still sit on their @ and vacillate
no wonder Putin is going for the energy and closed borders
sanctions….let them tell lies to each other while non EU
swiss bankers join city of london and wallstreet in dark
pleasures only sick bankers coukd view as good.
If Europe continues down this road….it ends in flames like
WW 2…
Can so many….be collectively this stupid?
East Ukraine has to show it wants mother Russia
and Russia will stand by them…if they really want out of
the EU sphere
I too wish Russia would roll in overnight and end this
Obviously…Putin wants Europe to eat the shit meal they
ordered from uncle sam and nato
enjoy the MRE austerity meal : )
Ukraine Crisis | Militia Commander of Pervomaisk, LPR | English Subtitles
While I usually agree to a large degree with Saker (and consider most of his texts very bright and insightful), here I have to disagree on multiple points and to assume that Sakers assessment has been misguided by (understandably) somewhat torn down emotions.
The first and most evident point is that the ukratine regime *can not possibly* win. The best they can achieve is a Phyrrus victory.
Why? Because a victory needs a – achievable and tangible – goal. One doesn’t fight for the fun of it. Considering that the Donbass, and by that I mean a productive Donbass, is absolutely vital for ukratine, the regime can’t but lose. And unlike now, in CQB in Donetzk it’s the militia that largely dictates the events. So much so that, in effect, a complete retreat by the militia might actually be a brutal defeat; simply because a non fighting militia blending back into the population is a militia that is extremely hard, if at all, to destroy and therefore a militia that has many by now experienced and trained fighters for a long, bloody, and costly partisan war.
I also disagree re. the humanitarian aid excluding Russians. This can very quickly turn into a nightmarish trap if some ukratine troups (e.g. quite independent nazis) attack or shell that Red Cross convoi. Such an act (which I consider highly likely, be it intentional or not) would very rapidly and very brutally turn against ukratine and it would make it next to impossible for eu countries to continue standing by ukratine officially or inofficially.
Moreover one should not lose sight of the tactics, strategies, and goals involved. As I explained Russia is *not* trying to convince anyone that ukratine shot down MH17 (although, of course, that is a side effect of their strategy) – they are targetting at breaking the weztern media power that is controlled by zio-uza and that is creating the fertile ground for support against Russia.
Looking at the Red Cross convoi again one can now recognize a line …
Similarly the uza strategy has changed very much towards a “create max. turmoil and damage and let others do the fighting”. Obviously turning an adversaries strategy against himself is a very powerful thing to do. And that’s indeed a very attractive option for the militia in the post Donetzk era.
Another important point is that a “victory” over Donetzk means nothing by itself. The ukratine regime couldn’t possibly just go on; they would need to try to identify and demolish the militia partisans. Not having the funds nor the time to do that properly ukratine would have to chose one of two ugly alternatives: either they fight a long and extremely costly house to house fight (which they almost certainly wouldn’t survive) or they shell Donetzk into oblivion or at least “cleanse” it of everyone assumed to be pro-Russia or militia which, of course, would make it absolutely impossible for the eu states to tolerate any association whatsoever with ukratine.
And then we didn’t even start to talk about repairing what has been destroyed. Too bad that a broken Donbass can’t be used as the money cow …
And again, switching to the uza strategy, the militia partisans only needed to create maximum havoc and damage; they wouldn’t even need to fight ukratine forces. Blowing up a factory or a railway line would be much more damaging that to kill some 10 ukratine troops.
And then, who would buy the products ukratine couldn’t produce in the first place? Certainly not Russia. Nor the eu. Nor uza.
Sorry to disappoint the ukratine regime (well, not at all) but actually winning this war soon is about the worst possible outcome. Not at last because that regime never had to address constructive peace time questions and problems; they merely were maximally aggressive and dirty. As soon as that war ends the regime will be naked kings with very small —
Last but not least. There has been more than one war “virtually won” that surprisingly turned around very badly.
just some questions about this humanitarian convoy.
where would it go? would it be going to where the fighting is? eg Donetsk?
would it make sense for the Ukies to keep attacking an area where an unarmed convoy would be going? what would happen if they did? would not RU have all the reason they need to send in troops? what could happen if the convoy were not attacked? would this give the DNR people a chance to regroup , rearm, stall through august and into colder weather?
how would europe understand an unarmed convoy being attacked?
contrary to what some of the defeatists opine (with little or no backup reasoning), this is not the end game for anything except their fantasies. RU does not need to go to war. That is just what the US/NATO crowd is looking for. UE is a pawn in a grand game. The RU people, as i read the RU press are not interested in sending in RU troops although they are interested in keeping UE out of Kiew’s hands. It’s a balancing act.
EU is reeling because of RU’s sanctions, i think RU has their attention especially because the EU can seemore sanctions in the offing eg airline overflights, product sanctions.
This has a long way to go. The West will not beat RU in this game. And hopefully it will take Mr. Putins at his word when he said nuclear is on the table.
It seems like we can expect something to “break” very shortly. Haven’t had a chance go scrub the onlone MSM but listening to the CBC in the background while doin’ some research, propagandizing and archiving. They are reporting yet again that the RF is massing troops on the border but this time they are stating that humanitarian aid is about to cross or may already be crossing. This seems significant and colours the pocture in a bit.
Just a theory of sorts but once the cauldren was collapsed the game changed more than we may have realized. As Saker has mentioned, this has opened a lot of territory that cannot be recaptured by the junta forces and provides a real nice buffer zone.
Once RF troops are in motion there really is nothing that can stop them. Once a real military is involved the Ukie military may well collapse rather quickly.
Add the “humanitarian” aspect into the mix and it would seem as if any counter measures by the Kiev Regime to thwart it almost seems suicidal. They may have “won” some sort of propaganda war, they certainly cannot win a real war especially if they cannot beat a bunch of drunken Russian misfits. Pardon the term but that is the picture the MSM has painted all along. Now that they have painted themselves into a corner, they will have a lot more to lose.
These are just a few short ponderings, time will tell if these reports are true. We must continue to plant the seeds of doubt about the false narrative without getting caught up within the narrative itself…
DumpHarper!
Forget about Iran in the BRICS,they are being bribed by the ‘grand satan’I mean the US.
Iran says going full force with the Nabuco project.
in french only for the moment
Gaz: l’Iran prêt à s’associer au projet Nabucco
http://fr.ria.ru/business/20140811/202108133.html
You will see soon the Empire trying to buy all brics states one by one…even China will surrender.
The US are used to act like that,it is or war(for small countries)and for the bigger one,they bribe them or regime change.
I don’t know if this has been covered here yet, but I think this is an important development in unraveling the ZPC?NWO MH17 false flag terror.
Both sites list the actual hacked messages, but auto translation is not very good. Maybe the Russian Team might want to look into doing one of their excellent translations?
“Вы с шефом совсем охренели в своем Днепрожидовске” (“You with my boss just ohrenel in his Dneprogeofizika”)
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1723665.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1723665.html
“The editorial office of the “Voice of Sevastopol” fighters “Cyber-Berkut” has sent the materials of breaking mail assistant Kolomoisky, in which, in particular, pointed to the involvement of the latter to the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing. Not that it was some unknown secret, but for understanding the pattern of excess will not be exact.
Interesting, indicates that the destruction of a passenger plane was coordinated by including from Kharkov…”
Important enough the ZPC internet assets decided to interfere:
Hacked account assistant Kolomoisky on Facebook – Boeing hit by a junta! (UPDATE 13:30 11 August)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3590-vzloman-akkaunt-pomoshnika-kolomoyskogo-na-facebook.html
“UPDATE 13:30 – SOMEONE REALLY really don’T LIKE the TRUTH (from the administration of the Voice of Sevastopol)
ATTENTION! For those who put the content of the article under doubt it will be interesting to read the following:
1. the material was received from Cybermarket directly about 12 midnight on August 10, and was immediately published by us on the website.
2. After a couple of hours was more than 77 shared our article in social networking websites (buttons above and below the news)
3. Today, we have noted that the number of shared strangely began to change in the range of 70-80 and down, that couldn’t be
4. We found and closed the vulnerability, on their website, through which criminals every 5 minutes artificially reduced number of shared this news in social networks.
Special Hello to criminals:
1. The truth cannot be concealed.
2. The real number of shared in social networks of people have exceeded several thousand, so reducing our counter you a little help.
3. Defamatory article comments will be hard to leave, and leaving all their accounts will be thoroughly reviewed, especially those that created yesterday-today”
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An impassioned Speech from Militia Commander of Pervomaisk, LPR
With English Subs
As you said, if you wanna be uncle sam’s bitch,pay the price.
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-mounts-aid-convoy-ukraine-despite-nato-warnings-192948526.html
Comments are the normal for the ill informed in Amerika. Corp. owned media saves to day for the stupid.
The British right-wing pro-Establishment newspaper ‘The Telegraph’ has published an article stating that the Ukraine regime is using neo-Nazis in its attacks against the miltia. One of the individuals interviewed removes the facade and proudly states he is a Nazi. Oleg Liashko appears to have appropriated Yanukovich’s dacha on the Azov coast near Urzuf to form a training camp for these blackshirts.
Saker, on some points you seem to me a bit optimistic:
– Ukrainian economy: I have little doubt the US will be happy to keep pumping money in it (or – more likely – pressing others to do so). The hangover for Kiev will come after the conflict has been settled.
– “constant massacres by the Ukie death squads”: I don’t even read about them on your blog or RT.
– “every passing day makes an Russian military intervention [] less politically costly”: I doubt so. Russian pressure on humanitarian issues may help. But simultaneously we see the all Western war mongers stressing how unacceptable such an intervention would be.
– “The true story of MH17 will continue to leak out in one way or another”: I am starting to expect a scenario similar to the Syrian gas attack: real investigation stops while the propaganda war goes on. I see the withdrawal of the investigation team from the MH17 disaster area as a bad sign and I am starting to wonder whether the sudden Ukrainian advance towards the disaster area was more than coincidence. I am curious how the black box story will be played. Until now we have only seen convenient and irrelevant leaks – for example that the sudden loss of compression would prove the use of missiles.
Note also that Washington has a two-track argumentation for its sanctions. At one moment they stress that the unacceptability of Russian interference. At the next how bad the Ruskies are for shooting down the MH17. Arguing with them is almost impossible: when you undermine their argument on one point they switch to the other. And if you might attack that too they will switch back to the first as if you never disproved their arguments.
Barroso, who is this person?
Has he done something remarkable during its presidency of the EC than smile to lobbyists?
He will never appear in any history books for his political stature. He knows it, that is for what he tried to appear in the picture with the “Trio of the Azores”, to feature something somewhere, which is quite sad, because it will appear next to the causing people of Iraqi genocide forever.
This can also give us an idea of what this character will care the impact of the sanctions both in their own country, as elsewhere in the EU. Simply this, like many lounging in Brussels, people give a damn.
Saker,
i’m confused by the previously posted interviews with Ukraine Army soldiers.
presumably, Russia is assiduously avoiding overt and recognizable military interference in order to maintain a public posture, but the trapped interviewee from the cauldron reported massive Russian shelling from across the border. wouldn’t that be obvious to every form of foreign surveillance?
disclosures in the accounts amount to zero confidence in the Ukie chain of command and a conviction of personal betrayal at every strata of hierarchy supplying and running the war. the only parties with any conviction appear to be the officer corps, and i can’t fathom what their loyal to. the only clue is the implied lack of civilian enthusiasm for (martial law?) the former militia occupation in Slavjansk
if in fact the Ukie military is improving fast, then confidence and assertiveness in the ranks should rise (and not assent to getting doped against their will); at minimum this would register in better treatment. if the conscripts don’t know what they’re fighting for, or don’t believe it, then an adverse change in momentum on the front should set off a wave of fragging and desertions en mass.
if there’s any merit to this speculation, then it can’t be original here.
best wishes
Bogdan
new website
http://novorossia.today/
In addition to Saker’s points, the militia defence forces are able to inhibit air power of Ukies to great degree. And second, the militia defence forces are largely able to conduct mobile ops, a prime goal of the Junta/advisers is to stop that.
on media coverage:
William Pfaff is a very old head who lost his place on the editorial page of the International Herald Tribune when the NYT bought out co-ownership of the Wall Street Journal (which was itself first bought by Rupert Murdoch). He’s worth your attention. On Ukraine:
The Worst Mess since the 1930’s Apr 9
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=673
Russia’s Messianic Quest July 23
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=688
A Hot War Is Not Inconceivable Aug 5
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_hot_war_is_not_inconceivable_20140805
America Started This Ukraine Crisis Aug 7
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=690
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on Israel in Gaza, “A Pariah State?” July 30
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=689
William Pfaff references a powerful new video by David Duke, on the centrality of Zionism in the coordinated Jewish occupation of the power points of American culture. Over the years Duke has apparently become a nationalist, as for example Pat Buchanan. He opens up the nation/empire rift to an audience which otherwise doesn’t get it, and idicts syndicated Zionism as a collective treason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw9EhjyU3JU
Or get it all in one place as half-Jewish truthdig editor Robert Scheer re-titles Pfaff’s article: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/antisemites_exploit_israels_gaza_incursion_20140729
…
on geopolitics, but for the details it appears Iran is now effectively in the SCO.
Follow up on “Kolomoyskiy assistant’s Facebook account hacked – the Boeing downed by junta!”
Just discovered it’s been translated to English already.
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-facebook-account-hacked-the-boeing-downed-by-junta.html
Or here:
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-facebook-account-hacked-the-boeing-downed-by-junta.html
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Andrew,
How many men are needed for the moves you indicate?
They seem to have few technicals to be fast.
Saker,
Thank you; this is major food for thought, though as far as Barroso goes, wasn’t it you who commented something about dogs barking, but the caravan goes on? ;~) And now apparently Russia is sending in an unarmed convoy — an utterly brilliant move — so Barroso can yap all he wants while the Portuguese fisherman may be wanting to show him some of their fangs… But while splitting off the PIIGS makes perfect sense, I’m wondering about the wisdom of getting the BRICS involved, at least this early in the game. That could be interpreted by the usual idjits as confrontational and for whatever cockamamie reasons, we’re just itching for this fight. Why hand it to them if you can win without it? I really truly don’t want this to end badly but if it does, it won’t be Putin’s fault; it will be because Novorossiya sealed its own fate first by voting (for what, exactly?) in those referendums rather than showing real numbers in the presidential elections, and then by sitting back and expecting Mother Russia to take care of everything else. People shouldn’t have to die for those bad decisions, but the Empire is ruthless and People. Don’t. Matter.
Anonymous 18:06
Uh, maybe the Doniecka Republica and Luganskaya Narodnaya Republica would fare better if, you know, more of their own people were defending them. If you’re going to spit on anyone (it really is disgusting, you know), spit on them what’s earned it. I.e., the US, Kiev and the very people who you’re supposedly defending.
Anonymous 18:17
Fracking is a move of desperation and not quite what it’s cracked up to be: putting aside the hideous pollution from both escaping methane (just what we need more of!) and fracking fluids fouling water supplies, the wells run out pretty quickly. There’s actually good reason to suspect that at least part of why we went into Iraq was to raise the price of oil so that fracking could at least *appear* to be cost-effective. It’s still not, though — basically a kind of pyramid-scheme scame with permanent side-effects up to and including earthquakes.
Mutiny reported of 24th Mechanized at Zaporozhiya:
http://infoua.biz/novosti/99829
In Zaporozhye the train station soldiers of the 24th mechanized brigade (Yavoriv) staged a mutiny. 24 the team is not part of the National guard of Ukraine. It is reported by the press service of nazvanii. “Refute information: rebellion among the men of nazvanii not. Command of the National guard of Ukraine officially denies that appears today in the morning in some mass media concerning “riot fighters nazvanie” in Zaporozhye. Also note that the soldiers of the 24th mechanized brigade, which was mentioned in the message, not part of the University”, – is spoken in the message. Meanwhile, according to local media in Zaporozhye on the railway-station 24 crew rebelled. The cause of the riot is the reluctance of the personnel, who have been in the area of fighting 53 days to go to the reformation and installation in Chuguev, and from there again to the front. The soldiers located on platforms apron and holding negotiations with the military authorities. In turn, in Kiev this morning under the walls of the defense Ministry held a picket. The protesters demanded the rotation and leave for 24 fighters brigade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html
The Telegraph reveals to the western world that Ukraine has recruited a Nazi military unit – Batallion Azov. Quoting the commander of the unit:
A former history student and amateur boxer, Mr Biletsky is also head of an extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”
Larchmonter445 said: “The political leadership inside Donetsk, as well as the militia leadership, certainly runs to Moscow and comes back with changes, new faces, repositioned responsibilities. This, seems to my eyes and mind, that the Kremlin is calling the shots.”
Not true;
There are (at least) TWO Russias at play here.
The political leadership inside Donetsk, runs to Moscow and mainly meets one of these factions (not Putin’s faction).
So to say that the political leadership inside Donetsk has influence in Moscow does not imply that Putin supports them. It seems he does not.
Like has been said above; This is what the Iranians concluded about Russia; namely, that there are TWO Russias. One that pretends to be on the Iranian side, but isn’t, and one that is.
By the way. The real fear here is that the United States is replaying their second world war play. You know, the divide and conquer play in Europe. The one where those who pull the strings in the United States, and their minions worldwide, deliberately started a massive war in Europe.
You don’t have post this but you are not the only one trying to bring the truth out but crazy people keep kick over the furniture and spilling their drinks. Slobs.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/08/open-thread-2014-17.html#comments
Also here is clip of 0 from 2006 meeting his new puppet master. Check out who is in the room and what he has to say to them to receive their blessing to run for potus.
http://www.correntewire.com/obama_at_the_hamilton_project_2006_this_is_not_a_bloodless_process
On a positive note, Euromaidan has benefited Russia more than any other nation: one would think Russia was paying the fools in Kiev.
1) It gave a pretext for returning Crimea to Russia, thereby securing her naval base forever. There’s no need to worry about unstable future Ukrainian governments revoking leases. Future coups are also useless as Crimea was the only jewel in the pile of donkey manure that is Ukraine. Also, that coastline means lots of sunny beaches for Russians to visit in summer!
2) Russia has strengthened her partnerships around the world, namely: South America, China and India as a result of these sexy sanctions. A byproduct of this will be a quicker decline of a certain hegemon and its EU dogs/prostitutes.
3) Russia’s population has not only increased due to the inclusion of two million Crimean souls, but there could be an extra million eastern Ukrainians added to the population. That’s akin to reversing much of the damage during the cowboy capitalism era of the 90s.
4) Russia no longer has to pay billions to the black hole which is Ukraine. It is now the debt-ridden west’s problem. To add to this, any profitable industry in Ukraine has probably been destroyed by the lunatics of Kiev.
5) Russian patriotism is at an all time high, preventing any risk of sell-out prostitutes like Yeltsin from achieving power (we are looking at you Navalny!).
300 trucks of humanitarian aid ready to go to Lugansk and Donetsk. This has been in preparation for some time. The final shot of the video shows a mobile radar station being taken into a military base. I suspect this will make an appearance on Ukie propaganda sites as evidence of a Russian invasion.
Nora 21:19
Fracking is a scam. The production rate falls off dramatically after a few years (3 – 5) whilst the extraction costs continually increase. In the long term, fracking companies increasingly become laden with the debt (which is why the banksters love fracking) in the face of reducing sales. The trick is to run for a few years at maximum profitability (gotta keep gas prices high to do that), then dump the process onto a suitable sucker and move on.
I would like to express my thanks to Foreign Minister Lavrov, Putin, and the RF government in general for taking the stance they took at the beginning of this crisis and now for focussing attention on the plight of the ordinary citizens in east Ukraine to the extent of being willing to cooperate even with those they rightfully dismissed as illegitimately taking power in
the country as a whole.
They are putting the lives of ordinary people before any decisions of political power – and it would seem those in charge in Kiev may want to do the same.
We know there are charged up individuals on all sides of this conflict, people with guns who have sacrificed much and want to ‘win’.
Winning is coming to the aid of men, women and children in great duress. My prayers go with this effort, and I could care less how brilliant or how politically advantageous it is or isn’t.
It is the right thing to do. And thanks to both leaderships for attempting it. May you succeed!
My 11 August, 2014 21:13 follow-up was in reference to these articles (thought I posted it the RU Saker site and here, but only the ru posting took). Initially, I was asking if it could be translated manually, but later discovered there already was a good translation, links I posted above. Making this info public drew a lot of cyber interference, the links below describe it.
“Вы с шефом совсем охренели в своем Днепрожидовске” (“You with my boss just ohrenel in his Dneprogeofizika”)
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1723665.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1723665.html
“The editorial office of the “Voice of Sevastopol” fighters “Cyber-Berkut” has sent the materials of breaking mail assistant Kolomoisky, in which, in particular, pointed to the involvement of the latter to the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing. Not that it was some unknown secret, but for understanding the pattern of excess will not be exact.
Interesting, indicates that the destruction of a passenger plane was coordinated by including from Kharkov…”
Important enough the ZPC internet assets decided to interfere:
Hacked account assistant Kolomoisky on Facebook – Boeing hit by a junta! (UPDATE 13:30 11 August)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3590-vzloman-akkaunt-pomoshnika-kolomoyskogo-na-facebook.html
“UPDATE 13:30 – SOMEONE REALLY really don’T LIKE the TRUTH (from the administration of the Voice of Sevastopol)
ATTENTION! For those who put the content of the article under doubt it will be interesting to read the following:
1. the material was received from Cybermarket directly about 12 midnight on August 10, and was immediately published by us on the website.
2. After a couple of hours was more than 77 shared our article in social networking websites (buttons above and below the news)
3. Today, we have noted that the number of shared strangely began to change in the range of 70-80 and down, that couldn’t be
4. We found and closed the vulnerability, on their website, through which criminals every 5 minutes artificially reduced number of shared this news in social networks.
Special Hello to criminals:
1. The truth cannot be concealed.
2. The real number of shared in social networks of people have exceeded several thousand, so reducing our counter you a little help.
3. Defamatory article comments will be hard to leave, and leaving all their accounts will be thoroughly reviewed, especially those that created yesterday-today”
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Anonymous 20:19
Thanks for the amusement ;)
For a starter nabucco has been and is a rather dead horse. And still more of a pipe dream (pun intented) than a reality.
And then: look up its route. There is a very major and long piece missing – even in the plans. So, unless the succeed in beaming that gas to northwestern turkey, nabucco wil need to be almost doubled in length. Won’t happen anytime soon.
And btw., there are many reasons for a btw not top-level Iranian politician to say this or that. And there is a strong tendency in those matters to be somewhat “fluid” (read: to be completely changed at any point in time).
In other words: a) it’s bullshit. b) it’s *infeasible* bullshit, at least in any reasonable time frame and c) it’s bullshit to the square considering the involved parties.
uza *stole* billions of Iran (“freezing assets”) and they terrorized Iran for decades and they will fall and rather soon.
On the other side there is BRICS which already helped Iran in a major way and who broke the unilateral uza sanctions.
Think again and keep in mind that Iranians are provably intelligent. Will they go along with their soon dying and financially rotten and broken arch enemy – or – will they go along with their supporters who have a splendid future and are rich (and need lots of energy)?
Saker & Everyone: Per Gleb Bazov, a well-defended humanitarian convoy is going to Donestk. Underline well-defended.
Dear Saker,
Everything is in order. Both of the cities will hold on, even Ukies now have to be very fast before September when the newly elected EU guys will take over and the machine will start to roll.
Today in Germany it was a discussion openly stressed that Mrs. Merkel is singing from the Obamas notes, and this is absolutely unacceptable by the German population.
My Ukraian neighbor also has confirmed that the message from Doneck is well prepared for the attack even Canada has send a lots of sophisticated equipment.
For now we are going to pray and send a lots of positive thoughts and hope for the best result. Even the situation is still looking very dangerous, the plan is already sett up.
Andrew, @ 11 August, 2014 19:43
As much as I’d like to see the Azov Battalion Nazis who took over Mariupol get their just desserts and get put up against the wall in front of a large crowd of locals, the reality is the NAF does not have nearly enough manpower to do a fraction of what you propose. And the NAF can hardly afford to have its best armor and arty encircled behind Ukie lines like the Ukies have suffered in the Cauldron.
The NAF has announced it has 200 armored vehicles ready to go (this is probably an exagerration, but perhaps the NAF meant they have 200 tanks plus artillery pieces and GRAD launchers). That is enough to smash into the Ukie lines around Gorlovka and likely to retake Debalcevo if the alternative for the Ukies is yet another encirclement or withdrawal after taking heavy casualties from a rain of GRADs. Relieving the pressure on Gorlovka and partially opening the highway to Donetsk by retaking Debalcevo will delay the Ukie conquest of Donetsk by 6 weeks to two months. In other words, buying enough time for
1) More humanitarian relief convoys to roll in from Russia
2) Russian peacekeeper forces to continue to prepare on their side of the border and shell the Ukie units in range while the Ukie army continues to bleed
3) Donetsk holding out longer due to the rebel counteroffensive brings the onset of ‘General Winter’ and looming gas shortages that much closer. The IMF can certainly print up Bernanke bucks for the Kiev regime, but it CANNOT print up enough gas from Slovakia reverse flow pipelines to keep much of Ukraine from having no heat this winter. The ‘no heat plus draft riots’ are the critical force multiplier/demoralizer Putin is counting on for the Ukrainian army to mostly collapse East of the Dnieper making Russian peacekeepers rolling in a much easier operation with far less resistance and Ukie direct combats with the ‘invaders’.
The Nazis in Mariupol will get what’s coming to them this winter: hopefully at the hands of the NAF and vengeful locals, not the Russian army.
LATEST FROM COL CASSAD IN ENGLISH:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
The Junta has set August 24th as the deadline for the conquest of DPR and LPR. Apparently the junta has planned a victory parade in Kiev on August 25th.
The link also contains a GREAT video of the Russian aid convoy comprised of several hundred 18 wheeled white trucks.
@ Andrew,
The immediate problem is the unreliable (according to Strelkov) Cossack garrison in Krasny Luch has surrendered. Possibly they cut and run through treachery or they simply were overwhelmed by enemy armor and firepower. Saker’s worst fears seem to be materializing though Krasny Luch has changed hands before and the Ukies have lied about fully controlling the town before when they only had troops in the suburbs and couldn’t dislodge the defenders from the center.
The Ukies are still taking heavy losses around Izvarino on the Russian border with the LNR but they don’t care. Putin’s humanitarian convoys will reach the people of the LNR but it’s doubtful they’ll get to Donetsk — even unarmed with the agreement of the Ukrainian army — without getting shot at by one of the Nazi battalions. The Nazis’ NATO masters are desperate to get Russia directly involved in the fighting.
“but time is running out for Novorussia”
Possible, but I think rather, that time is running out for the nazis instead. Their situation “at home” is getting worse, both economically (obvious) and politically/socially. The protests and resistance to the junta continues to increase.
Militarily, they are faltering, as well, despite making some recent gains. Troop morale is tanking, they have to rely upon core nazi zombies and merc elements, whose numbers are still small. With the Novorussian militias acquiring more hardware now, it will be more difficult for the nazis to use their past hardware numbers advantage to overwhelm militia units. Likewise, the nazis will find their stand off and shell from out of range tactic failing as the militias get their new artillery equipment in theater.
Although one sometimes hears talk of pushing on to the west, once the nazis are defeated in the east, from Novorussian officials, I doubt they plan to do this. I still think the plan is to defeat the nazi assault on Novorossia, and then let “Darwin” and local growing disgust with the junta take its course and replace the junta lackeys with a regime more neutral, and willing to keep their portion of the Ukraine that way.
A few days ago read how Kadyrov had donated millions which was used to purchase dozens of diesel power generators. These were wrapped and ready for transport, sitting in Rostov, I believe. If they have not already been sent, I wonder if the new aide convoy will be utilised to transfer them.
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Talk of Ukraine’s improving military situation is counterproductive and misses the essential:
Ukraine is a shattered society in which no one trusts anyone. This affects the Resistance as much as the Western installed judeo-fascist regime in Kiev.
The junta has a massive advantage in numbers but they’re completely unable to take a large urban centre like Donetsk — nor could they withstand the political fallout that would ensue.
Also, I’m pretty sure foreign mercenaries don’t do urban warfare — nor would most of the Ukrainian officer corps.
Reports in the AZ media are now saying Russia has increased the number of soldiers on the border to 40-45 thousand. Suprisingly, they (AZ media) are untroubled. This along with news of an agreement to send unescorted aid into the east suggests the situation has changed, perhaps dramatically.
From all outward appearances, Russia, the EU and Zion are managing this thing together. If the Empire is willing to stick to its commitments (always an open question), then this thing is going to get wound down fairly soon. Russian income and EU energy are the primary motivating factors on both sides of the conflict.
Russia wants political influence/control of Ukraine but it doesn’t want to flip the bill for decades of theft and corruption. The West, first and foremost, wants total control of Iraqi Kurdistan. I believe an official or unofficial agreement is slowly working itself out.
In the meantime, all of you waiting for the collapse of civilization are going to be sorely dissappointed. The work of overcoming our criminal overlords hasn’t even begun.