Dear friends,
I came across this rather interesting compilation by Sputnikpogram of statements by Igor Strelkov made between 2011 and 2013 and I decided that it was important enough to ask my Russian Team to translate it to share it with you (Translation: Gideon; Editing: Heather, Kristin – thanks a lot guys, you rock!). There is a lot of stupid speculation about what Strelkov does or does not believe or stand for, so rather than refute these speculations with speculation of my own, I thought it would be best to let Strelkov speak for himself.
After I received the translated text I did remove some of quotes given in the Russian text because they were particularly hard to translate. Others I remove because I did not find them relevant, even in the context of the original Russian text. Finally, I added a short commentary below the the translated quotes.
The Saker
Strelkov – The rules of the game
http://sputnikipogrom.com/rules/11695/rules-of-strelkov/#.VGk3esm5j3C
The text below has been compiled on the basis of material, written between 2011 and 2013, by Igor Strelkov, who served as the leader of the Donbass peoples’ militia. In Parentheses we see the editorial credits of ‘Sputnik and Pogrom’
Picture below captioned as follows: The rules of the game by Colonel Strelkov, Russian Officer, 44 years old, Slavyansk.
“Regarding Greater Russia: Unfortunately, given those currently in power there was always a possibility that Greater Honduras could be constructed within the boundaries of what was the Russian Empire. I feel that this already has been completed.”
Russian, Ukrainians (Ruthenians) and Belorussians represent three branches of the Russian Ethnos. The task of these Ukrainian Nationalists and their Russian counterparts seems to be to maintain ill will towards each other. What needs to be understood? The fundamental task – to prevent the re-emergence of a unified, coherent state based on these shared Slavic roots.
War is, above all, fear, a fatal numbing tiredness, inescapable filth. Moreover, war, for those directly participating in it, is a colossal explosion of emotion and sensation, after which civilian life seems simply without meaning. In war both the finest and most degraded aspects of the human condition assume their most vivid form.
This can manifest itselves in alcoholism and debasement. However one can also realise oneself in a positive way. The disciplined forces of a great Empire are simply morally and spiritually beyond comparison to those of a mob.
I was present during the collapse of the [Soviet] Union as an aware adult (20 years old). Even at that point I was a conscious monarchist but, being subject to the anti-Soviet hysteria, I was overwhelmed by contradictory emotions. On one hand I felt satisfaction at the sight of the destruction of what was fundamentally an anti-Christian, anti-Russian and inhuman state. On the other hand there was the acknowledgement that the State was being literally destroyed and from those fragments it was fanciful to hope for the rebirth of the old Russia. There was also a strong premonition that those who spearheaded the revolution, represented none other than the most vile elements of the Soviet Nomenklatura and acted purely in support of their own material interests. Unfortunately that premonition came fully to fruition.
If during our age a serious war breaks out (I wouldn’t discount the possibility), do you really think that anyone could go through it with “unsullied hands”? From personal experience I can testify that saints in the modern-day Special Forces simply don’t last very long.
After having understood that I am a soldier, all the “young students” (as it turned out) started to accuse me of “serving the evil regime of Medvedev & Putin” and of being an “enemy of Russia”. I was frequently referred to as a “scoundrel” or as “ignorant” and other “pleasant” epithets (including some that are not fit to print).
I am speaking about those who are not only able to stare at the accursed TV-box but who meditate upon it and take action. In any society this comprises between 5–6 percent of the population (in our case it is probably less given the baleful effect on Russian minds of the Soviet experience). On their behalf the struggle must be fought. (That struggle itself is already in process.)
Even the status quo itself teeters on the brink of catastrophe. The collapse could happen in a matter of years and, should it not be averted by some kind of miracle, it will inevitably occur, burying for ever even the remains of our Russian civilisation from which by day we draw nourishment, all the while struggling to ignore what is going on around us. In order to escape this trap it is imperative that a rebirth of Russia is required in order to have any hope at all of preserving any of our past traditions.
If the people are armed and organised then the plans of our rulers to count on the followers of Kadyrov will turn to dust. These people are heroes only in their own legends (they are essentially all traitors and deserters from previous wars) and are hardly likely to place themselves on the line. They are perfectly capable of shooting someone in the back from an ambush but they would not put themselves in danger. In the event of a real ‘dust-up’ they are likely to simply spit on it all and go off and rob a few jewellery stores.
I consider myself a committed ideological adherent of autocracy (monarchy) in Russia. At the time I was one of the first oath-takers to Vladimir Kirillovich. I was young and impressionable. My disappointment was bitter. [Vladimir Kirillovich Romanov (1917-1992) – the son of grand prince Vladimir Kirillovich, cousin to Nicholas II; Head of the Russian imperial household and pretender to the Russian throne.]
Gentlemen! All elections are really held in the FAPSI (Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information). It doesn’t matter who and how many people voted. In the GAS (Automatic State System) election system the result is predetermined by which ‘favourites’ simply cannot receive a percentage of the votes less than input. The chosen candidate simply cannot poll less than 60% even if only a couple of people in the whole country voted for him.
May God be merciful to Russia and grant her a sovereign ruler. There is simply no-one who fits the bill amongst our contemporary politicians.
The Fatherland is an abstraction. To each and everyone the word means something different. For some it represents a value for which one is willing to sacrifice. For others it’s just an empty sound and a comfortable alibi for their own disreputable dealings. However the State has a completely concrete meaning. There is no gain in mixing up the two, State and Society – they are fundamentally different things. Kadyrov was dubbed a ‘Hero of Russia’ by the State (in fact his own nominated government) for some services or other to the State (again his government). For him Russia is absolutely not his Society.
The definition of the White Idea is extremely amorphous. I’m inclined to consider that it best finds it expression in the works of Solonevich and Illyin. There are many who could differ with me on that view.
I am 100% convinced that Bolshevik power still holds the reins in Russia. I also agree that the Bolshevik idea has mutated so much as to become unrecognisable. It is clear that the formal ideology of the Bolsheviks has become its antithesis. However in its deepest essence it retains critical aspects; its anti-Russian, unpatriotic, heretical trajectories remain fully intact. Its adherents are the linear ideological heirs of those who perpetrated the October revolution in 1917. They have changed their brand but the essence is exactly the same. Now having shed the ideology which hindered their personal enrichment and their diversion into material pleasure, they have remained in power. In 1991 there was a coup. The counter-revolution, to this day, has not been carried out.
Given the Western imperatives [to destabilise Russia], the attacks on Putin will not cease. They will continue with renewed vigour. Does this mean that we should support Putin? Of course not! More to the point, rather, it would be possible to support him, on condition that he make a change of course, a break with the criminal and that thoroughly bandit circle around him. However the likelihood of him taking that course is vanishingly small. His policies swing like a pendulum. He tried to satisfy at the same time the West and bases his constituency on Patriotism. This is the typical politics of a Latin American ‘Banana Republic’ Dictatorship which has fought its way to power and, will at any costs, maintain it.
In line with demographic projections, within 15 years in every single Moscow school, Tadjiks, Kirghizis and Kazakhs will comprise no less than half and up to two thirds of the children enrolled. Azeris and other Caucasians will comprise another quarter. The Russian enrollment will comprise only between 10-15%. We already see in our infant classes (I know from personal experience in one case and I have been informed by teachers regarding other instances) where the number of Kazaks and Asians is greater than the number of Russians enrolled. Do you seriously imagine that they will care about exhibitions and museums commemorating some distant civil war (where Russians killed other Russians)?
It is deeply unfortunate that honest Russians, patriots, caring about the fate of our land, interpret our epic and tortured journey through history as an inspiration for the resumption of enmity and bigotry. It is precisely this enmity and bigotry that devastated our land.
Rogozin is simply a project in public relations. You want Nationalism? You’ve got it! Look at me! It’s a tactical card played by Surkov, nothing else. This is simply a façade to prevent the emergence of a genuine leader. The presidential administration has a production line that regularly outputs such figurines.
The people are one, one whole – indivisible. You can’t really categorise and separate them into simple and educated. When the people really do “break themselves up” then you get confusion and civil war. It’s only when these artificial barriers are broken down that these wars can end.
Saker commentary:
I was amazed to see that even though Strelkov considered himself a proponent of the “White” idea and a monarchist in the political line of Iliin and Solonevich, there was so much in his views I disagreed with. I guess my views have changed more than I had suspected. In fact, there is a lot I disagree with him, including his views about Putin, Rogozin, Kadyrov, non-Russian minorities, elections in Russia and much more. I even categorically disagree with him when he says that Bolsheviks are still in power in Russia (I believe the Bolsheviks lost power in Russia at Stalin’s death. Khrushchev was no Bolshevik, and neither were his successors). Frankly, Strelkov reminds me very much of somebody who used to be one of my closest friends and with whom I had to part ways because of profound and irreconcilable differences in values but whom I still love very much. I see Strelkov as an idealist, a man of honor and integrity, a solider and a patriot. I have the utmost respect for him. But looking at the quotes above, I cannot honestly say that I see much of a political future for him. Frankly, I find this type of personality way too “ideological” and I have seen where that kind of mindset leads: with the best of intentions, to the worst possible consequences. The other problem with this type is that instead of uniting – they polarize. For all these reasons, it pains me to admit that I respectfully but profoundly disagree with most of Strelkov’s views and that I don’t believe that he can be an effective spokesman for Novorussia.
The Saker
They are such small quotes. One would have to know what concrete steps he thinks the leader or state or people should take- or reinstate.
“From a distance we are instruments
marching in a common band.
Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
They’re the songs of every man.
God is watching us. God is watching us.
God is watching us from a distance.” {Quote}
Source: Song “From a Distance”
More of Putin’s interview with Hubert Seipe is being reported by RT. I find the following quote by Putin to be most significant:
“Frankly speaking, we are very concerned about any possible ethnic cleansings and Ukraine ending up as a neo-Nazi state. What are we supposed to think if people are bearing swastikas on their sleeves? Or what about the SS emblems that we see on the helmets of some military units now fighting in eastern Ukraine? If it is a civilised state, where are the authorities looking? At least they could get rid of this uniform, they could make the nationalists remove these emblems. That is why we have fears that it may all end up this way. If it happens it would be a catastrophe for Ukraine and Ukrainian people.
Self-defence fighters, [who] were supposed to leave some of the towns they had surrounded [under the Minsk agreement still] haven’t left. Do you know why not? I will tell you plainly, this is no secret: because the people fighting against the Ukrainian army say, “These are our villages, we come from there. Our families and our loved ones live there. If we leave, nationalist battalions will come and kill everyone. We will not leave, you can kill us yourselves.” You know, it is a difficult problem. Of course, we try to convince them, we talk, but when they say things like that, you know, there is not much that can be said in response.”
People on this blog have long been afraid of a Nazi-led ethnic cleansing. Now the fact that Putin is publicly voicing this concern is very significant. In the same interview, he later states,
Today there is fighting in eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainian central authorities have sent the armed forces there and they even use ballistic missiles. Does anybody speak about it? Not a single word. And what does it mean? What does it tell us? This points to the fact, that you want the Ukrainian central authorities to annihilate everyone there, all of their political foes and opponents. Is that what you want? We certainly don’t. And we won’t let it happen.
I have sat through an entire interview of Strelkov’s and also read his quotes here. The man is a romanticist from bygone centuries and has no grasp of the contemporary world. He is so wide off the mark that is uncanny. That bit about Bolshevism still ruling Russia is beyond inane. Dogmatic ideologism always has disastrous results, be it communist, liberal or romantic nationalism.
Strelkov was the right man, to be in the right place, at the right moment. Even when most visitors/readers here were about to give up [or already had given up] hope after the evacuation From Slovyansk, this man held the KFK armies at bay.
Regardless of his views, he did what he had to do and succeeded. Now his 15 of fame might be over, but nobody can take away his wartime successes.
Time to move on…
There is a bleak quality to Strelkov’s views, a despair with society. To embrace monarchism is to set expectations very low. Is monarchism a popular view in the post-USSR?
In line with demographic projections, within 15 years in every single Moscow school, Tadjiks, Kirghizis and Kazakhs will comprise no less than half and up to two thirds of the children enrolled.
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1- It is the fault of the Russian government because she does not assimilate them.
2- Russia should import every year let’s say 100 000 people from Vietnam and China and assimilate them.
In the years even that would not be enough, it would be only one million.
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OK, you can shoot me for being anti to a hero but this, from my reading of these words and others from him suggest a boy in man’s clothes.
I think he did a great job in Slaviansk and for some time after. Without him Novorossia would not exist.
He is the perfect epitome of the idea encapsulated in the words “cometh the hour comes the man” but the hour is now passed.
A guy I knew, not a military man, but long associated with military matters, reminds me of him. He was an expert on military security matters but outside of that he was like a child. Strelkov is a far bigger figure, and more significant, but the one reminds me of the other. Outside of their field of professional expertise they become ciphers.
But Strelkov will, I hope, be remembered in histories of this time and place as a great and important MAN.
Strelkov seems like a figure out of Tolstoy’s War and Peace. A man far larger than life and a real patriot to his country. You rarely see one like him today.
I hope he prospers in the new year, God knows the world could use a few thousand more like him and not just in Russia.
Dave
Saker, I’ve learned everything I know about Russia from you, but I don’t get the sense that Strelkov’s role in this particular drama is yet ended.
I loved his interview that you posted. Finally I could see a misfit great spirit take a useful place in affairs – for the second time in one year, that’s a very significant thing.
I haven’t heard it said different yet so I have to accept as true that Strelkov still enjoys a great camaraderie and loyal respect from those who know him, who fought alongside and under him, and who deal with him now.
Strelkov to me is more of a mystery than he is to you, Saker, but that’s because he seems to embody something archetypically Russian that I am still trying to appreciate.
But I see this archetypical thing in all the struggle of Novorossia, and the struggle of Russia.
I too prefer Putin. I like the way he fits into this whole world better than the way Strelkov doesn’t fit. But Strelkov has a meaning and a meta-message. I can’t dismiss him – I won’t dismiss him – in material terms. It seems I can only view him in idealistic terms, in holy terms, in terms of the Rus.
And I’m not even qualified to speak these words.
I think Strelkov – like all of us – takes time to understand and to stand revealed. If he were in these comment threads he would never be an Anonymous. He would sign his name and voice his view, and over time we would come to know it, and to know where we stand in regard to it.
I refuse to throw Strelkov under the bus. Not yet. Not today.
Notably, as it was already reported, the DPR detained the first suspects in the case of attempt at Gubarev’s life.
“The lead theory is that the attempt was carried out by a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group with the aim of discrediting and undermining the elections of the People’s Council and the Head of the DPR to be held on November 2, 2014”, – said the representatives of the DPR.
http://novorossia.today/novorossia-news/pavel-gubarev-s-press-conference-on-nove.html
Quote “At least they could get rid of this uniform, they could make the nationalists remove these emblems.”
so for putin if the anglo enemies persuade the junta to remove thise nazi attires then it is all right.!
) putin bears no responsibility of this genocide when ut was putin who stopped Resustance frim destroyung junta in cauldron abd maripol ?
putin has to go if he is that weak..
that Bolshevism still holds the reins in Russia. I guess he mieans what we call the oligarchy…the shadow government…the CIA (not FSB or KGB)
A Christian calls this power anti-Christ…and his time is now…
Naxism, Americanism, Bolshevism…its all the same…
Though Strelkov is most assuredly an idealist, and perhaps a bit of a throwback, his assertion that the bolsheviks maintain power is merely a reference to the Tribe. The same interests that begat the 1917 revolution, are the same interests that looted a fallen Soviet Union, and are the very same interests that are impeding real reform within Russia itself. There are powerful Zionist interests very deeply embedded within the fabric of Russia’s power structure and I think it would be these powers that he is referring to.
Zionism and it’s far reaching aims creates for itself ideologies, institutions, and characters according to the need of the time. The pervasiveness of this groups control over the worlds political and media landscape is enormous. I’m not keen to view Strelkov as over alarmist, just someone maybe too acutely aware of what Zionism has in store for Russia, and what he has seen as a lack of resolve at the highest levels of Russian government.
To his credit in recent interviews Strelkov appeared much more reserved as regards his critisms of Putin and the Russian political establishment, perhaps things are changing.
Yes, Strelkov also feels that Europe will be Moslem in 20 years…I don’t think I can agree with him there.
The fact is that the Moslems have not abandoned their religion, but Christians have…not those who are still Christian, but everyone else.
This is a problem that Christianity itself has, because it had to allow itself to be taken over by Ancient Rome.
The Orthodox of course has survived in a more pure form than Roman Catholisism,which is nothing more than a corporational institute
Christianity must have a re-birth as well…truly a Resurrection.
And it will. There is nothing left in Church except tradition…the wonderful Russians are such a devoted race that they keep the sacredness of tradition alive. But the Jupiter people…the Europeans and eventually the Russians too have to find spiritual science. That is science that is spiritual…nothing to do with scientology.
Until we really find the Spirit within ourselves where neither mountains, nor valleys, not storms or war or angels or humans can separate us from the love of knowledge of the Living Christ…only then can Earth find her path.
Thanks Saker, for again posting something so full of content.
Dave, your quote :::
“Anonymous said…
Strelkov seems like a figure out of Tolstoy’s War and Peace. A man far larger than life and a real patriot to his country. You rarely see one like him today.
I hope he prospers in the new year, God knows the world could use a few thousand more like him and not just in Russia.”
Dave, that is such a beautiful thing to say…Rudolf Steiner said that 3 pages out of Tolstoy has the same amount of substance that whole libraries in rest of the civilized world…not to say Tolstoy is always right or anything…just very deep…
I agree with you Dave.
I also agree with Saker, that we need to carry on with the best we can do…”we” meaning Novorussia worldwide…Strelkov in hopelessly idealistic….but a true Russian.
Another funny thing Rudolf Steiner said…is that ::
When someone comes onto the soil of Italy, he is regarded as a foreigner.
When he comes onto the soil of France he is a barbarian.
When he enters England he may be a rival.
Germany an opponent
And when he enters Russia…he is the Anti-Christ incarnate…
I hope you understand the lightness of this quote…
Strelkov went to Novorossiya for we don’t know why, and put up a huge fight and put together a good force out of unfocussed individuals.
But a politician he is not. Ideologue is not the same as politician.
He feels some love for Novorossiya, and that is his right. But he cannot expect to be loved back. Many respect him for what he did at the beginning (and some criticise him, too).
But he will never speak for Novorossiya. He is not OF them. They are adults and, young as it is, it is an adult country. They can and do speak for themselves. Anything else is patronising.
To have supporters, eg high-placed friends, in neighbouring friendly countries, is acceptable and advantageous, but is not the same as having them speak for you.
Besides, the new republics are not theories or dreams. They are real. They don’t sit around arguing ideaology. They run around coming up with smart ways to get food and medicine and heat to their people, in a hurry.
Doing it in ways that minimise fraud and skimming may be much less on ideological grounds, and much more on the simple arithmetic that if any is stolen there is not enough to go around. And they see the sick babies and weak hungry grandmothers daily with their own eyes, and they have decent hearts that want to stop that.
They shed a lot of their own blood to preserve the lives of the survivors. It has to be their own choice how to continue that preservation. Ideas of abstract thinkers, of 50 years ago, or 100, or 300, may colour their views a little, but will not be the best solution for the problems on the ground today. No outsider can speak for them.
Dear good Strelkov, please read Peter Kropotkin”s “Revolutionist”.
As an old man, I can testify major changes occurred when I discovered first-person accounts of history, which speak from actual experience and with 105credibility, can effect great expansion in point of view.
There are few like Kropotkin who have actually demonstrated great scientific, literate, military, and humanity skills as an observer, chronicler and creator of historical events. He was even there, in the Tsar’s court, when Tsar Alexander freed the serfs, [2 years before Lincoln freed the slaves].
Your own great skills may be in such awesome category. Thus I recommend Kropotkin’s “Revolutionist” for your continued growth. And for Mankind’s benefit.
But Strelkov IS NOT a spokesman for Novorossia-Donbas. He might be a spokesman for ‘Novorossia’ movement based in Russia and on novorossia.pro web site, though. Actually, there are no spokesmen for Novorossia- Donbas at all at present; there are some officials and spokespeople for DPR and LPR.
At Dave, I agree totally.
He is an idealist and maybe he appears naive with his comments but as I say, we seek perfection even though we as humans can never attain it. We need people of ideals though to hold us on course and keep us on the path.
With regards to Bolshevism, yes well I believe it was put to rest in the USSR by Stalin. As for it not being fully put to rest, I believe it’s ugly head raised itself via Yeltsin in the 90’s at the behest of Wall Street. Ironically I agree with Gorbachev that the EU and to a greater extent USA are the inheritors of Bolshevism. It is part of the tribe and no, the tribe not necessarily being that of Jews but more so the Anglo-Zionist Financial Mafia Tribe.
As I was discussing today with a friends from Ukraine, we see the Tribe acting in Ukraine but also in Europe and USA and lastly still in Russia. Strelkov and even Putin are counters to the actions of these self serving and destructive individuals. They both work in their different ways and on different levels, Strelkov more locally like the fist and Putin globally as an architect laying plans for alternatives to their machinations.
As a Christian who has grown up in a mix Christian household and with Jewish understanding through my childhood friend, the world is in need of many of such men. Those of principle and realization that love is the path to man kinds future. Regardless of faith, we can not allow ourselves to indulge in the hedonistic self destructive path that has been forged by the few for their personal gain.
Strelkov’s time has not passed, he is the light we aspire to as are others in the Donetsk/Luhansk leadership who are grappling with the best ways forward for their people and will most likely show the way forward for the rest of the world. Unfortunately as the curse goes, “May we live in interesting times” and in those times, we certainly do.
p.s. Thank you all contributors to the discussion, there is much to be learned from the contributions of many here. As much a feature of this blog as Saker’s initial posts.
Strelkov is a veteran of 3 wars…
Chechniya, TransNistra, NovoRossiya….
I am a veteran of one war……….
Once a veteran……..
Always different……….
In views, concerns, outlook…….
Strelkov lived through the collapse of the USSR, and the rape of the remains……
As did my wife……….
Strelkov witnessed first hand the emasculation of middle aged male Russians… due to the economic dislocations of the Yeltsin era…
And…….
Strelkov did not himself disintegrate….
Due to…. immense self discipline…….
You may not like his views……
But he tells it like it is…….
INDY
I got the impression that Strelkov is very negative on Russia’s future . I think that there are a lot of things that we normal people do not know about how enmeshed is Russia to the western world .
Starting from the fake space exploration with rockets, and promoting the oil industry when alternative sources of energy are kept secret by governments and the kleptomaniacs of the oil industry .
As the recent case of Udo Ulfkolte demonstrates western mass media is totally controlled by the CIA . http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_politics_media_watch/2014/11/05/04-27-30pm/top_german_editor_cia_bribing_journalists
The politicians too , according an article by Paul Craig Roberts are on the take of sacks of money . So , here in the west , we are governed by traitors on the take . One has only to watch the choreographed behavior of western leaders at the G20 . In unison the puppets demonstrated the same behavior toward Putin , Unfriendly and pedantic in their determination to push the Ukrainan button . So they organized the coup d’etat and they insist that Putin rubber stamps the change . Putin has been very restrained .
If Russia according to Strelkov is on the road to disintegration , I ask , on what road is the west if not total economic catastrophy ?
In this case who will disintegrate first ?
The western model of government is not to be copied . It is an eminently corrupt system that makes it a paradise for the bankers and makes the workers feudal slaves . Russia has to find its own way in this world as Ragozin (the marketing man according to Strelkov ) say .
Morte al Nuovo Ordine
Interview extract Strelkov posted on slavyangrad.org Nov 7th “For me, the four months of the campaign in Novorossiya—from April to August—were one continuous battle. I can not divide it into individual operations. I made a lot of mistakes—political and military. At first I thought that Russia would quickly recognize Novorossiya, and that is what I built my strategy on. There were also errors because of the lack of military experience. I had no military education, I did not graduate from any military school or academy; I am self-taught, and this affected things. I lacked the military training, knowledge and skills to command a large force, and to organize logistics and the rear.”
Saker,
The keypoint, to my mind, is that you consider the end of bolshevik rule with Khrushchev.
To me, it would be with Stalin (who is a criminal, yet not a bolshevik, and actually, he destroyed the bolshevik rule in Russia (hence the Moscow trials)). Stalin restores a part of old Russian tradition, like Napoleon did after the Revolution in France. In that view, both Stalin in Russia or Napoleon in France are not complete evil for traditional Russians & French for example. Both are criminals, but not complete ideological wackos like bolsheviks, republicans or nazis.
That common view from Stalinists and White Russians appears if you keep in mind Rakovsky’s trial, which points what actual communism is. And from that point of view, communism finish when Lenin died, for Stalin took power and not Trotsky, ending the Revolution, as a ideological movement, USSR becoming a classical dictatorship, but no longer a communist country.
But I guess that point of view does not make sens for a french or american democrat (not the political party), for both agree with bolshevik premises, for bolchevism is the conclusion to the process modernity opened.
I guess you rant against Catholicism is part of this same misunderstanding, for modernity (or “the West”) is at war against Christianity, whether catholic or orthodox, and aims to destroy the individual, the Nation & everything else but the almighty State, ruling people transformed in soulless, cultureless, nationless beings. In that perspective, Stalin saved the idea of Nation, if not of individual. By doing so, he had Russia take many steps back on bolcheviks plan (hence the Perestroïka and eveything since, to put it back on track). You can the same kind of lateness with France (people opposing gay marriage for example), and again, because of Napoleon, then De Gaulle, who broke the rhythm of subversion most of countries follow steadily.
Matthieu
More people who cannot count. Strelkov is 43. He was born on 17.12.1970. Well at least they do not give his date of birth and say he is 44 in the same article, like the last guy did.
“Ukraine should use saboteurs to destroy warehouses with cargo gumkonvoev that sends Donbass Russia. This was announced on the TV channel “112 Ukraine” colonel of the General Staff of Ukraine Vladimir Shevchenko.”
from anna-news 17 Nov
presumably warehouses in Donbass, does not suggest convoys should be attacked…….would it be foolish to suggest Rus might not like that as it is humanitarian aid…….? If ukr refuses to inspect at the border(as Lavrov says they make every attempt to refute the convoys), rus must insist OSCE, Red Cross inspect it to then subsequently prove aid was , pretty sure Donbass will not want to light up their warehouses with big AID signs to attract targets….also they will surely be well defended..too speculative to say by the “polite people” should there be further escalation, ?
Yes, Strelkov is a war junkie. He has written about it many times over. At least he is honest. And by the way, Strelkov is not from spetznaz, he was on the investigative, not running around with an assault rifle side of things in the FSB (unsurprising, really, he definitely comes across as an intellectual type).
His political views are a definitely out there, it is enough to read anything he had written before Slavyansk to realise that. As long as he does not get to actually run Russia, or Novorossia, it is his problem. Of course, after all that he had written, doing a sudden about-face and becoming pro-Putin did take people aback. Some are still suspicious.
And re: darkness of his views – it pays to remember that the man is an incurable pessimist. It is in his temperament, hoping for him to realise the error of his ways and turn all sunny is pointless. He needs a relentlessly positive alter ego, as Petrovsky is/was on the famous forum, in order not to drive everyone up the wall after a while.
Yes, Saker,
I totally agree with you. Strelkov’s (old?) views are quite incongruous; and, as you said, ‘instead of uniting – they polarize’. Yet, his accomplishments brought back some of our lost hopes! He certainly is a very gifted man, a hero. As Daniel Rich said, ‘nobody can take away his wartime successes’. I do hope that he overcomes his dogmatism… Grieved has a point when he says that Strelkov’s role is not over, yet.
@Edward Qubain
No, monarchism is pretty marginal, but then a lot in Strelkov’s views are. He is definitely not going anywhere much in politics on that particular platform.
@ Anonymous 17 November, 2014 03:13
Strelkov is not saying anything about assimilation in his quote, he is just stating the children’s ethnic group. It seems he does not like the idea of them being there at all.
And to many previous commenters – I would not overestimate the extent to which he is an idealist, a throwback, dreamer, romantic, childlike, naive, not of this world etc. This seems to be rather common. Strelkov was an FSB Colonel, not a place where you can make a career with your head stuck in the clouds. Also, at this point he has come out in one piece from five wars. The man must have good survival instincts, I always thought the idea of him heroically sacrificing himself in Slavyansk was ludicrous. He may be prepared to die for his cause, but only after exhausting all other options. This is also a man who ordered to have people shot (with reason, of course) without losing any sleep over it. (Rather makes you wonder what it was he did in the previous wars, more precisely in Chechnya in 1999-2005. Probably best to let those sleeping dogs lie.) These sorts of actions, combined with his passionate beliefs, might get him classified as a fanatic, but as naive and childlike – hardly. And of course his experience is not limited to wartime, he seems to have also accomplished much in his time in Moscow before the Ukrainian events. There is definitely a well-developed practical side to him, and this is exactly how people who have known him describe him – there are a lot of such people, testament to his enormous energy and drive.
For anyone who reads Russian, this is an interesting story written by Strelkov’s former boss and later friend:
http://ur-2222.livejournal.com/2728918.html
re: Strelkov…thanks for the insight into his beliefs. I am agreed with you on your assessment of his effectiveness; however, his type makes for a very effective martyr to the cause. Idealists, well, they often times are the first ones along with the songwriters and poets. Bless them all !
Dear Saker,
In a very slow but steady manner over a period of time you have been discrediting Igor Strelkov in a very organized manner. You have been chipping away with a vigour and zeal only found in a person with a deep seated ideological motive. In this para you have said a lot about what you dont like about Igors beliefs without revealing your own beliefs. This is outright shrewd, dishonest and utterly shameful.
Someone above wrote:
“The Orthodox of course has survived in a more pure form than Roman Catholisism,which is nothing more than a corporational institute”
That’s not the way the Church looks from the inside. But what happens inside happens in the souls of its members.
Three line stanzas:
THERE I SAT
Above Cullera on the coast
A stronghold of the Muslims rose
Along the angles of a hill
Now the walls alone remain
While slightly higher on the slope
There is a small beloved church
There I sat and watched the Lord
As people came and touched His feet
The One suspended from the Cross
So gently touched in ruefulness
And pity for another’s wounds
In pure compassion for the Christ
As He like any sufferer
Twisted there in agony
As would another human soul
Pity for the world’s Creator
Made the people touch His feet
To close the circuit of the world
And so each morning, every night
I lightly touch the Savior’s feet
As He does our offended souls
And He would heal them as He could
By simple touching if we let
God hold them longer for a while
Pavel
November 16, 2014
I think that this interviews are previous to war, and war made Strelkov much more realistic in his views (for example, he did not supported the “Russian March”, because he refused Novorossiyan cause to serve a political agenda, he says that pro-Novorossiya demonstrations should encomprise “all ideologies, because all ideologies brought fighters for the cause”).
Greetings
Sorry to disagree , Saker, but I share 100% of Strelkow opinions -which doesn’t mean I have a profound respect for WP. But then I’m deeply anti communist (sorry folks). I do think that maintaining Lenin’s cult is necessary for the national reconciliation and to Foster the ideal of those who fight the neo nazis in Kiev, though!
This UK Guy thinks:
I think its safe to say, “ON THE BASIS OF THE ABOVE”, that I respectfully but profoundly disagree with most of Strelkov’s views and that I don’t believe that he can be an effective spokesman for Novorussia.
His dislike of Surkov, for example, is shared by many who hold differing and presumably more ‘suitable’ views
I would imagine that turning up in Slavyansk and doing whatever he did there establishing definitely an army and from how he tells it , playing a key role in the establishment of a new state may have had a transformative effect on him, especially as regards his appreciation of the Russian State.
I can see how he can be portrayed as dovetailing in with, say, the tradition of say Lermontov and how that can be used to make his policy differences with Moscow seem a product of his romanticism. (I am obviously thinking about the march on Kiev). However the difference between rhetoric and substance especially as events transpire is always more than we expect.
Also I am not particularly aware of the publishing website sputnik and pogrom but would assume , with a name like that, that it would align with the far right of Russian Nationalism, which would be delighted to co-opt Strelkov into their rank, which of course he refused very publicly a couple of weeks ago.
That being said his words are clearly being manipulated and packaged for a strange insular constituency that is not at all geared up to deal with Global Questions
http://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/24430/chaos-reigns/#.VGpnH_nF8Xw
He reminds me a bit of Orde Wingate in certain respects. I would earnestly hope that those similarities don’t continue to increase.
“In line with demographic projections, within 15 years in every single Moscow school, Tadjiks, Kirghizis and Kazakhs will comprise no less than half and up to two thirds of the children enrolled. Azeris and other Caucasians will comprise another quarter. The Russian enrollment will comprise only between 10-15%. We already see in our infant classes (I know from personal experience in one case and I have been informed by teachers regarding other instances) where the number of Kazaks and Asians is greater than the number of Russians enrolled. Do you seriously imagine that they will care about exhibitions and museums commemorating some distant civil war (where Russians killed other Russians)? “
Stelkov may be a political idealist. But on the single most important issue — the continued existence of the Russian nation — he is far more realistic than Saker or Putin.
Russia faces the same fate as all other European peoples: extinction.
No one wants to thinks about this racial/demographic trend, but it is the crucial issue.
Saker, When I began reading your comments about Strelkov’s views I felt as if I wrote them or as if you literally read my mind. I have been following your blog for about a year now and this is not the first time that happen to me. Not to say that I don’t disagree with you sometime particularly in the subject of religion. Thank you very much for shedding light in very important and complex Russia scene. I live in Ireland for many years but I am from Dominican Republic. My wife is Slave and I always admired and respect Russia for its contribution to humanity.
Saker, When I began reading your comments about Strelkov’s views I felt as if I wrote them or as if you literally read my mind. I have been following your blog for about a year now and this is not the first time that happen to me. Not to say that I don’t disagree with you sometime particularly in the subject of religion. Thank you very much for shedding light in very important and complex Russia scene. I live in Ireland for many years but I am from Dominican Republic. My wife is Slave and I always admired and respect Russia for its contribution to humanity.
I really have to wonder, how on earth it was possible that a relatively balanced and agreeable character like Putin came to power in a country, where so many high profile politicians and public figures hold such extremist views.
Of course I don’t want to take anything away from Strelkovs great contributions, but his comments are pure poison for a multi ethnic and multi confessional state like the Russian Federation.
If he disagrees with immigration laws, he could have talked about it in a less emotional manner, but the way he said this is like an invitation for various ethnic groups in the Russian Federation to engage in Separatist movements.
Maybe it’s because he is a product of war, like many in my home country Jugoslavia (Serbia) have been. In the end these kind of figures (and of course a lot of “help” from the West) tore my country apart, because there is no hope in forming a multi ethnic society when you start calling some ethnicities robbers and thiefs and spread fear that they “out-breed” us, as if they were animals.
Strelkov becomes an unperson and now he is abandoned by his most ardent fans. Down the memory hole with him!
All nature is arranged in hierarchy, monarchy is our natural form of government. Under God peoples get government they deserve, and modern man deserved the last two centuries of climaxing horror.
Strelkov is an idealist, a monarchist aware that the Goy-hating enemy aliens, “the Bolsheviks, the 1%” retain serious influence, though seriously confronted by Putin’s patriotic régime. Out of “nowhere” God gave Putin to Russia to marshal and empower nationalistic sentiment (and Putin thanks Yeltsin, not quite the fall down drunken bum I had supposed).
Democracy is rule by the best organised, usually the satanic societies. God gave Putin to confront them, and Strelkov considers them still lethal. We here agree. His other stuff about cosmetic elections and unwanted wog aliens we understand fondly as idealism and applaud good soldier Igor Ivanovich. In God’s just good time, nature will resurrect over anti-nature, so my own expectation does concur with his ideal achievement, Russia’s resurrection of murdered monarchy.
Strelkov deserves – and has earned – a place in Novorossiya history. He won’t be forgotten. But I hope he finds some other interest because he does let himself be flattered into some dicey or dubious projects, so I hope he doesn’t end up being better known for some scandal than for his courage.
One good thing about Strelkov’s idealism is that it actually makes Putin look moderate.
Putin’s stances look hardcore to many in the West, but it is refreshing for me as a conservative to know that his positions are not fabricated; they apparently stem from assimilating views on both the left and the right, and the right is certainly not without representation in today’s Russia.
The man is a romanticist from bygone centuries and has no grasp of the contemporary world. He is so wide off the mark that is uncanny. That bit about Bolshevism still ruling Russia is beyond inane.
From outside, liberalism and communism do, indeed, look the same. They make the same basic promise: to provide the emancipated individual with the freedom necessary to define his own good and to make his own way in life, free of the encumbrances of inherited obligation and submission to authority. They differ in their analysis of what particular things in the real world are blocking this emancipation and in their analysis of what is to be done about this blockages.
Now, if your mind is thoroughly infected with the virus, the virus that tells you that freedom is good, that “I gotta right” to choose my own path in life, then the piddling little differences between liberalism and communism loom large. But, if you have fought off the virus, then you recognize that their essence, rejection of unchosen authority and unchosen obligation, are the same.
It is significant that Strelkov is an idealist and that Strelkov fights. Realists will fight for their families or for money or to avoid punishment. Nobody will fight for “sensible foreign policy.”
If you want people to fight the empire, you want idealists. The only question is “what ideals?”
I must make a confession. I have found a video of Strelkov, in a field, giving a command.
It was posted in mid-August and shot in Marinovka. From the horrific sunburn, I believe it was taken on or near Aug. 28th, the day when Bes et al. were in a ferocious battle at Checkpoint 20 between Shahktersk and Torez where the Ukrs were trying to cut off communications between Donetsk and Lugansk. In the press conference there, Strelkov says he’s just arrived and hasn’t been briefed. He’s sporting what looks like the same sunburn, and you only do that once a year, in your first sortie outside.
In the Marinovka video, a couple of fighters run up while Strelkov is being filmed announcing they’ve just discovered a mortar. Strelkov snaps at them “Where?” “Well destroy it.” “Use your head.”
Later in the interview he muses “We have discovered the mortar that was firing at us. Probably it has been abandoned.” Towards the end we hear “Bang.” He looks around aimlessly and says “The battle may not be over.”
This is the man who calls Givi “stupid” and “vain.” When Givi is on camera when a courier runs up to him or his phone rings, he becomes alert, focused, immersed and waves off any attempt to push a mike towards him angrily, as if it’s a wasp.
So, Strelkov, was the mortar still in action? Did they need reinforcements to destroy it? Ammo? More or different fire power?
Was it abandoned? Why destroy it? How big a mortar? Did they need transport?
And why were they afraid to act on their own initiative or to press these questions when their commander waved them off without being briefed?
I’ve put up enough stuff on this thread by now that, unless you are a casual lurker, you know that Strelkov does not enjoy the admiration of his peers. He has Mozgovoi, period. The Military Councils which Mozgovoi tries to organize on his behalf and with his advocacy are the test of this question. The field commanders humour Mozgovoi, but they DO NOT SHOW UP.
In the mini-coup against Strelkov’s leadership in August, by Strelkov’s own words in the Secret Forum, as reported by Cassad, his field commanders testified that he was a martinette and a sadist.
He called in five of his Donetsk commanders to rally support. He doesn’t tell what they said, but he told them he was ashamed of them.
I’ll bet they laughed.
His old and dear friend Borodai and Zakharchenko, his top field commander (highest ranking and most decorated), had a several-hour screaming fight with him when he was prepared to decamp from Slavyansk. Perhaps this is why he didn’t properly clean out his office. He left signed death warrants behind. He did not leave behind warnings to his troops or the civilian population that he was pulling out. They came out the next morning wearing their St. George ribbons to walk into the face of the incoming Ukrainian army.
Mass graves in the wake of the National Guard are not the only ones that have been discovered in Ukraine. There’s one up the street from Strelkov’s office where investigators are expecting to find the people on the death warrants, people who have been arrested and never heard from again, and God knows what. One missing and presumed dead is a cartoonist who drew and exhibited a cartoon of Strelkov with a pistol to his head and the caption “Just do it!” He was taken from his home by four militiamen with DNR badges who told his family “All we know is we were told to bring him in.”
Do we really want Strelkov to be swanning around draped in a Novorossiyan flag when this shit hits the fan?
As for what he was doing in prior wars, not much. He was a bodyguard in the Chechen wars, in a special surveillance unit. In Bosnia he was in a tiny band led by “Ace” Mukharev called the “Tsarist Wolves” who did some raiding.
Transdniestria I have no data on yet.
Pavel !
That was me that said what prompted your poem
THERE I SAT
Above Cullera on the coast
A stronghold of the Muslims rose
Along the angles of a hill
Now the walls alone remain
While slightly higher on the slope
There is a small beloved church
There I sat and watched the Lord
As people came and touched His feet
The One suspended from the Cross
So gently touched in ruefulness
And pity for another’s wounds
In pure compassion for the Christ
As He like any sufferer
Twisted there in agony
As would another human soul
Pity for the world’s Creator
Made the people touch His feet
To close the circuit of the world
And so each morning, every night
I lightly touch the Savior’s feet
As He does our offended souls
And He would heal them as He could
By simple touching if we let
God hold them longer for a while
But Pavel, my friend, what sentimentality…Christ is Risen !!!
The cross only came into the romantic circle of the beloving in the 7th century I think…
Christ is a Sun Spirit.
We don’t need a church to see the Solar Sun Neither do we need a corporate enterprise to see the Solar Son…thank God for that.
As far as the world being taken over by Moslems…who can say what the future holds…only an opinion is available…
My opinion is “What nonsense”
Racism and division come in all guises…we must unite to fight a bigger enemy than ourselves.
Who was that masked man?
When I found the excerpt below on social media Strelkov came into focus. The man is a fantasist. His whole life has expanded into historical reenactments, virtually in chatrooms or online games and really in other people’s wars. He is Walter Mitty if you go back that far, or Snoopy in his Sopwith Camel.
The following exchange is from a war-gamer group’s online celebration of the secession of Crimea.
March 18th 22:37 Igor Strelkov: “Actually you could congratulate me personally. I worked long and hard over this question”
March 19th 17:50 Martyn: “Igor – the uncatchable snipers, was that you too or just you
March 19th 17:56 Igor Strelkov: “You want to know lots – you won’t live to old age”
March 19th 18:43 Vovka [speaking to Martyn]: “Dim- delete. (((”
[Martyn deletes his post at 22:15 that evening].
This is just incredible. A grown man. How needy must he be, and insatiable, to be dropping lurid hints of dark crimes to a fan club of teenage strangers? It’s obvious from the fact the question was asked that he has spent a lot of his time building a Secret Agent Man persona among these kids.
I’m certain he wasn’t in the FSB when he parachuted (from the Camel) into the Donbass insurgency. I’m wondering if he ever was. I assumed he must have had a steady paycheque from somewhere, as there was the wife and kids to support, then the second wife, now ex-. But maybe he was working in security, or maybe he gets an emollient from the weird little Monarchist cult that thinks he will depose Putin any day now.
The first time he was asked, he denied it. Did he then look in the mirror, tweak his mustache, and fall in love with one more role to play? Strelkov the Warrior, Strelkov the Humble, Strelkov the Leader of Men, Strelkov the Secret Agent, Strelkov the Maidan Sniper, Strelkov the Father of his Country, Strelkov, Moscow’s Man in Donbass.
It’s a misconception that without Strelkov, the insurgent forces would never have combined. Of course they would. Zak and Motorola and Givi and Kononov would have found each other, probably in Donetsk. Strelkov just hung up a sign saying “Rebel Central Here” and since it was the only sign in view, the rebels, who were quite capable of feeling the need to combine forces, went there. All those with military experience spent a few hours, saw through Strelkov right away, and left again. Khodakovsky, who defected to the insurgency from Command of Ukrainian Special Forces Alpha, built his deadly Vostok battalion on his own, coordinating with other commanders but under nobody’s command. In fact, only about 20% of the armed forces was in Slavyansk.
And while they were there, they did nothing. Strelkov wasn’t interested in fighting, or in Novorossiya. His game was in Moscow, and he was waiting for the Russians to arrive. Then he began trying alternately to manipulate, or threaten, or beseech with tears in his eyes, anything to provoke a Russian response. Meanwhile he held down the troops, who knew they were ready, and kept them doing reconnaissance and sabotage patrols.
When they went on the offensive, that armed force ate the Ukrs for breakfast. What could they not have done a couple of months earlier when the Ukr army was poorly armed, untrained, unfit and unmotivated to the nth degree?
Strelkov out, Kononov and Zakharchenko in, victory after victory.
Strelkov spins and spins. For instance, why he wouldn’t go on the March? According to his co-religionists, they had to threaten to tie him up and shut him in the closet under the stairs to prevent him from going. (After all, they were planning to let him march at the front!)
As they used to say in acting school, one you can fake sincerity, you’re on your way to stardom.
Kat Kan:
cassandra.says@rogers.com
“My enemies set me up — they organized a psychiatric evaluation.”
“Come New Year, I expect to be transferred to the Caucuses…Finally, it became hot enough there for the agency to consider sending scumbags like me”, he writes to a Ukrainian collector-friend on Sept. 16th, 2012.
Girkin revels in the anticipation for being closer the the action than his desk job in Moscow affords him. Moreover that there are job cuts at the FSB, and he is afraid he may have to go into reserve. Yet, he is not completely happy, as he complains that the new job will be “lieutenant-colonel” grade. Little does he suspect then, however, that even this will be an elusive prospect: in February 2013, his job [application] is declined:
“My enemies set me up – they organized a psychiatrist evaluation and screwed my application – Dagestan no longer wants me. There is another option, but anyways, I will never be allowed to be serve [in combat] again, so my career is screwed up permanently. I am considering going into the civil area.”
From the Anonymous International [Russia] dump of Girkin’s emails.
Retire the Cup. This beats “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re out to get you.”
This is too weird.
Strelkov would not make a good spokesman for Novorossya because he thinks Rogozin is a faux nationalist.
Having warrants out across the EU for his arrest for a couple of dozen murders, however, is just a minor glitch, limiting the number of invitations to speak he can accept.
I find this even more dizzying than the Russian Orthodox Church having summer camps for children where they get military training.
Toto, where are we?
Hi Saker,
Hope there is no penalty for replying so late! Just found time to read through All your posts, it is a “mindblowing” experience :) On the topic, about Strelkov, there was 1 interview which I really liked, aside from that, similar to you, I disagree and “facepalm” at most of his other views… Not fit for political circles and even damaging to the society and patriotism.
As usual thanks to Kazzura.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYouKFYc2jE&index=9&list=PLY96rNvqGJm9vREh9JsKf1ZFoJ3FiaLbm
I liked it so much that I double translated it into Chinese and shared!
Strelkov need to go back to war and not politics ^. ^