Note: Since the issue of Russian monarchy is, judging by the pre and post podcast questions and comments, clearly of interest to many of you I think that I need to explain something important here.
The movie which Strelkov and host Krutov are mentioning at the beginning of the interview is about a very interesting Russian author named Ivan Solonevich and who was the chief ideologue of a movement originally referred to as “Staff Captains” (Штабс Капитаны) but which later became known as “Popular Monarchists” (Народные монархисты) to which I myself have been very close all my life (Alexander Solzhenitsyn and Ivan Solonevich, along with Lev Tikhomirov and Ivan Iliin, were my “maîtres à penser” for decades) and which I know very well from the inside. Since I believe that Strelkov very much shares these views I think that it would be helpful for me to summarize some of their key ideas. I am not, repeat, not asking you to endorse any of these ideas (my own views have also greatly evolved with time), but only to become aware of how different they are from western notions about monarchism.
1) Popular Monarchism (PM) is, in western terms, a *leftist* form of monarchy which opposes monarchy to aristocracy and not to democracy. In the view of PM, the Russian history is mostly the struggle between two forces: on one side the monarch and the people (both traditionalist, Orthodox and populist) against, on the other side, the elites (seen as modernists, secularists and elitists).
2) PM affirms that Russia is an empire by nature (by “national dominant” to use the term of Solonevich) but it emphatically condemns and opposes the kind of Empire created by Czar Peter I (which some call “the Great”). PM see Peter I (and his court) as the epitome of russophobic evil.
3) PM is a democratic ideology since it affirms that PM is an *institution* a *system* which must include a Zemskii Sobor (Assembly of the Russian Land) as a medium for the expression of the popular will which the monarch has to then implement.
4) PM is almost as class-oriented as Marxism and sees the Russian aristocracy, especially the court, as the most dangerous foe of the Russian people. The only form of aristocracy PM recognizes as legitimate is the “serving aristocracy” which in modern terms would mean civil servants and/or the military.
5) Ivan Solonevich was himself a Belorussian and he was very proud of his roots just as he was proud of coming from a family of peasants. PM fully support cultural and national diversity, but resolutely opposes nationalist separatism.< 6) PM reject the notion of universal values and say that each nation and each civilization produces its own values and traditions and that each nation and civilization should be left free to live according to these values and traditions.< 7) PM has a strong libertarian streak as it sees government bureaucracies as one of the most inept, corrupt and useless parts of society. PM believe that the popular masses (workers and peasants) should be left free to organized themselves as this both respects the Russian tradition of freedom and is most effective in economic terms. Anyway, I will stop here. To those who can read Russian I recommend Solonevich's main book Народная Монархия which can easily be found and downloaded from the Net.
I just wanted to explain here that Strelkov’s “monarchism” had very little to do with Elizabeth II of England, Abdullah II of Jordan, the House of Saud or any other of these nasty characters we usually associate with the notion of monarchy nowadays. Also, the views of Solonevich, who fled the USSR in 1934 (he later wrote the first book about the Gulag ever), were not very well known during the Soviet years (the KGB banned all his books) but since 1991 they have been re-discovered and are now very popular in the Eurasian Sovereignist circles.
Cheers and kind regards,
The Saker
(please click on the ‘cc’ button in the lower right to see the subtitles)
Host: Aleksander Nikolaevich Krutov, Chief Editor of the periodical “Russian House”
Subtitled in english and german (french coming soon)
Video Details: Original Air Date: 29 October 2014
English Transcription & Translation by: VineyardSaker Video Team: Marina, GC, Katya,S, Gideon & Yulia. German Translation by Dagmar.
Editing & Production: Marina & The French Saker
Sounds a bit like Confucianism, the most enduring social order in history.
How would you contrast PM with the ideas of Dugin?
How would you compare/contrast Russian PM with Belgian PM?
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Truth about situation in Ukraine
6th November 2014, city Kharkov, future Kharkov republic
Yesterday morning Kharkov guerrillas burned warehouse winter clothing for the army of the Kiev junta
The subtitle job was bungled in several places requiring brief replays to read because they were not held on screen long enough to read.
Sad, because this video is very important and the subtitles are crucial for wide distribution and comprehension.
Strelkov is a profound, clear thinker, a patriot and believer in values.
It is an excellent interview.
I hope someone will rework the problem areas and do the subtitles correctly. I know it is very hard work, but it is necessary for this to be impactful as it should be.
It is great credit to Strelkov that not an iota of ego comes through the man’s words and demeanor. He is a guardian at the gate, holding off the dogs of war for his beloved nation.
Very important to bear with the subtitle issues and consume this discussion.
I had a sense that he was speaking to Putin, not to edify Vlad, but to bolster him with assurance that Putin will have an army of patriots, enough to win any war, internal or external.
@ The Pug
Good one, but its okay, they won’t need winter clothing for dead bodies.
I am slightly confused by the logic of the PM argument and I am hoping you can clarify this issue for me.
Under item 4 you state, “The only form of aristocracy PM recognizes as legitimate is the “serving aristocracy” which in modern terms would mean civil servants and/or the military.”
Then under item 7 you state, “PM has a strong libertarian streak as it sees government bureaucracies as one of the most inept, corrupt and useless part of society.”
Wouldn’t it be true that the “serving aristocracy” of civil servants and military have to be part of government bureaucracies that are inept, corrupt and useless part of society?
I appreciate your efforts in clarifying this issue for me.
A narion without a highly specialized bureaucracy is a nation where nothing works. Bureaucracy is like grass… Nice to lay on, but it has to be trimmed constantly by sane politicians. It’s up to the people to elect the politicians. Failure to elect competent politicians falls back on the people.
This guy did not include us in his list of recommended blogs about Novorossia.
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an up to date war map, click and it expands:
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Pedro Abreu @pmsxa · 15 mins 15 minutes ago
#US envoy to Kyrgyzstan called #Russia-#Kyrgyzstan friendship a problem < #Nuland’s #ukraine cookies in Bishkek soon? http://translate.yandex.ru/translate?dir=auto&from=&lang=-en&to=en&ui=&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftvzvezda.ru%2Fnews%2Fvstrane_i_mire%2Fcontent%2F201411061813-s05j.htm …
looks like “news coverage” of the latest mass murder spree Palestine finally got some sofa surfing zombies off their asses (a few, anyway)!
how BAD is the lies & time-filling propaganda spewed by the MSM when this happens?
http://nsnbc.me/2014/11/06/french-socialist-party-mps-call-recognition-palestine/
Some analysts suggest that the landslide in opinion was caused when mainstream media bled viewers, listeners and readers to independent or alternative media for more unbiased and accurate reporting on the war and mainstream media like the BBC had to adjust their reporting to avoid and even greater loss of credibility. The French AFP and other news agencies quote a “French parliamentary source” as saying:
“The (Palestinian) situation is so blocked that most Socialist lawmakers now believe that we must do something and that the existing positions must be shifted. … This is the way of doing that”.
Tanks repelled from Donetsk suburbs.
It looks like the war’s on.
Thanks for this explanation, Saker.
I will wholeheartedly agree with you that when monarchism works well it works magnificently well. Case in point is Prince Vladimir who was able to work a transformational and creative national revolution in spiritual reformation that is uniquely Russian, and that all Russians can be proud of.
The same can be said for the Emperor Constantine, who brought freedom of worship and status to the beleaguered Christians of that age and set the ball rolling, so to speak for the safe passage of that religion within the Roman empire.
Never say never in the realm of man’s constructions of government in a world beset with calamity and contradiction. (I used to say about childcare that there are so many books written on the subject because there are so many different child/parent relationships.)
My point in disagreeing with your podcast statement, as gently as I could, was that while these are shining examples of what a monarch can accomplish when in empathy with the people, there are also very many counter examples of extreme suffering imposed upon the people by monarchs who are less able – and those periods of suffering have been terrible.
The saint whose name I take lived in what Russians called ‘The Time of Troubles’ having been born in the reign of Ivan, then called the Great. While he had built St. Basil’s Cathedral and was intensely, perhaps maniacally, religious, I can’t look on that marzipan-like structure without somewhat of a shudder.
But I do appreciate your vision of what monarchy can accomplish. I just remember back to God’s hesitancy in the Old Testament when the children of Israel wanted a king, and the antiphonal psalm we sing during the liturgy:
“Put not your faith in princes,
In sons of men in whom there is no salvation;
When his breath departs
He returns to his earth;
On that very day his plans perish.”
@anonymous: Under item 4 you state, “The only form of aristocracy PM recognizes as legitimate is the “serving aristocracy” which in modern terms would mean civil servants and/or the military.” Then under item 7 you state, “PM has a strong libertarian streak as it sees government bureaucracies as one of the most inept, corrupt and useless part of society.” Wouldn’t it be true that the “serving aristocracy” of civil servants and military have to be part of government bureaucracies that are inept, corrupt and useless part of society?
Two things. First, when Solonevich spoke of “serving aristocracy” he was mainly talking about the Russian past when the ancient Russian noblemen were warrior and not social parasites. Second, in modern terms, this would be these civil servants which are absolutely indispensable for society (some *are* truly needed) or the military men in charge of defending the country. Solonevich did not have a problem with a class of noblemen warriors, he hated the parasites at the court, the fat cats who were filthy rich yet did nothing for the country. In modern terms, you could say that he would hate the oligarchs but not the folks in charge of state security (provided they are honest).
For Russia a bloated bureaucracy has always been a major problem. Solonevich saw that and hated it. He also saw the no less crazy German bureaucracy under Herr Hitler, and then the US bureaucracy in occupied Germany. He equally hated them all. But he was no Ron Paulian liberterian, he also wanted a strong state and he accepted that ‘some’ bureaucracy was not only inevitable, but actually desirable. It’s just that he wanted the minimum and no more.
Cheers and thanks for the opportunity to clarify.
Kindest regards,
The Saker
@juliania: But I do appreciate your vision of what monarchy can accomplish. I just remember back to God’s hesitancy in the Old Testament when the children of Israel wanted a king, and the antiphonal psalm we sing during the liturgy
Dear Juliania, please take a look at the right side of the page, the column under “Words to live by” – 2nd item from the top of the list :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
Neutral observer here. It looks like the actual Russian army was beaten back east of Mariupol according to Militarymaps.info – The Checkpoint 31 is holding – Is all this with special American weapons like Javelins or TOWs? If so or if not, why are there no blog posts even in Russian about exactly what weapons or training they are facing. Tymchuk makes believable reports of recon groups of rebels being mauled. The airport reports are really making Russia look weak.
What’s happened to the prowess of the rebels and Russian military over the past 2 months?
It seems that the US/EU used the Minsk accords to get the Ukraine side up to the job of being equal to the supposed 2nd most powerful military in the world.
I don’t think the Russian side is going to make any big moves now because they know they are up against technology they cannot counter. Why does this blog fail to discuss what technologies are being used? Do both sides have the ability to detect humans in bushes or long grass 1000 meters out? Do both sides have sniper detection instruments? I’m seeing videos of rebel artillery incoming on Ukrainian positions with terrible accuracy. Ineffective mostly.
Do the Russians even have the ability to make artillery land on a certain coordinate? Or maybe the US is screwing around with the GPS to make things not work? It would seem like both sides would be able to destroy a fixed object like a checkpoint and it would only depend on who fires first (I would have assumed that a modern battlefield would be more fluid as a result).
It’s starting to happen that the Ukrainian bloggers are giving better military detail. Has the Russian side lost the ability as well as the momentum since September 5? I don’t even believe today’s report that a Ukrainian tank platoon went into Yasinovatya and got destroyed. That would have been suicide.
Or are they (the rebels and Russians) deliberately trying to look like the Keystone Cops (while holding their lines) because that would cause NATO to look unnecessary to westerners?
That might be some kind of long game for Putin but it looks like Rand Paul and the Tea Partiers are going to let McCain run the show starting in 2 months so I wouldn’t say he has much time at all.
If they can’t deal with a poorly equipped group of National Guard men who joined the military for the first time 6 months ago, what is going to happen if this drags into 2015 with them having a lot more experience and advanced US weaponry?
Saker, thank you for the clarification on monarchism. That was an important key to understanding where Strelkov is coming from. And with that key, I must say I found this interview brilliant. Thanks for the work from Saker team worldwide. This is a milestone analysis from Strelkov I think, a reference point as the future develops.
There’s much to deal with here about the nature and future of Russia. One piece that struck me was Strelkov’s point about China. This makes a lot of sense.
It’s worth remembering Khazin’s words about China from the video a few posts back. It would be useful to try to clarify here sometime, exactly what China’s territorial ambitions might be in the future.
“Dutch” in the Khazin thread about Putin’s speech at Valdai asked if overcrowded China might want to occupy all that empty land in Siberia, especially if the Russians weren’t going to use it. This possibility seems to be what Khazin is suggesting.
Dutch’s comment with the quotes from Khazin is here:
06 November, 2014 09:52
(I also liked Dutch’s next comment, immediately following, riffing on this with a geopolitical speculation.)
So, what is Khazin saying about China? I’m not up to speed on this. I know that China eyes Siberia as a tremendous potential for development. I had been looking at this in a benign way, but this view just changed.
What is the ultimate threat here really? Does China have territorial ambition here? I don’t want to sidetrack this Strelkov interview, but this aspect does seem to fit, as an important piece of Russian grand strategy to understand.
WAR
a} with the situation changing by the hour, the maps are going to be out of date very fast
b} different source maps are always different even for the same time (even excluding the Kiev official fantasies)
c} all sides are using UAVs; OSCE has complained there is “military grade” GPS jamming going on
d) normal shells even 100% accurate only make so much of a hole: to do serious damage with a single shell it has to be incendiary or cluster, which only the UAF side uses
e) you an believe at most about 30% of what Ukie side bloggers are saying
f) NAF tactics have been to surround something, then pick off the resupply convoys; this is how they starved out CP32 last week. This method converts well to picking off tank convoys. They’ve had time to set things up on the approach roads, but one they start they can be knocked out by Ukie missiles they have longer range ones (but they’ll get friendly fire KIA this way, too).
g) with so many fronts at once, it will take a day or two to see what’s really happening. There may be spots where they need to let UAF in further to make the trap.
The main what you can call “forces” that Ukie has are mostly Nazi battalions. They are less likely to give up than the conscripts were. NAF is less likely to try and spare them, too. Which adds up to, expect higher casualties than in the past.
Anyone here who prays, this might be a good time.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine?fref=nf is reliable, he is local there.
A checkpoint is not a lemonade stand set up on a card table. They may take over several nearby houses and have as many at 60 or 70 people there. And grenade launchers or bigger, and ammo dumps.
The actual checkpoint typically will have a dugout big enough for 6 guys to sleep in, with mattresses, stove, portable generator etc and high enough to stand up in. Much bigger if no suitable nearby housing. They dig the hole, filling sandbags with the soil, then roof it with layers of logs with plastic sheeting between. The bags are then built up as a rampart.
The one very worrying item is Ukies apparently have aviation again – a believed to be SU-25 was seen (high) yesterday. NAF do have anti aircraft gunnery of some sort, truck mounted (OSCE complained they tried to shoot their drone with one) but I hope the have more serious stuff as well. They must have fixed a few of their own older ones. The only other country to have any numbers of these left, working,is Belarus which I doubt would be lending them any. They possibly can’t risk borrowing something obviously NATO, which luckily restricts what they can have and how much of them.
NAF does have people who can fly, but nobody could lend them anything without it being obvious. So I don’t think they’ll have aviation. A few helicopters, possibly — they were working on some “stored” ones that had been deliberately disabled (ie sort of easy to fix).
Re: Strelkov. Thanks to the translation team again. His 3 important points:
1. 1917 the West wanted to rob Russia then and now again-this is an ongoing conflict
2. the MSM wants people without historical memory ( past) or imagination (future)
3. beware of false choices but, yes, these will have to be made
NAF are visually spotting where some artillery is, then using up to date satellite images to calculate angle and distance, by computer. This method cannot be jammed.
They use scanners to find the other side’s radio frequencies, not just to eavesdrop, but to call in fake spotting calls (“too long, need 50 metres shorter” to make them miss their targets.
Checkpoint 31 will run out of gas for their generator today, if resupplies get interdicted, which I am sure they’re working on. Not like they don’t know where this CP is or the road to it.
Big convoys, like Ukie has put into Mariupol, need fuel by the tanker load. Big tankers make big bangs, if first allowed to get into a spot where a big bang is useful.
I want to back up what the Saker said on the thread after this one — don’t be worried by small retreats. Some will be to lead the way into long-prepared traps.
Remember Ilovaisk. The deal was, humanitarian corridor IF thy leave the weapons. They broke out instead, riding on the tanks. They LET THEM do it. Then mowed them down at the next checkpoint like fish in a barrel.
Igor Strelkov is a very interesting man, I wish someone would make a movie of this mans adventures. I don’t agree with many of his views, for instance he seems to think the West was able to enrich itself vasstly ny plundering Russia. This is only partially true, in fact the West emriched itself by plundering Asia, Africa and the Americas. Russia was like an after dinner mint washed down with some nice tea after the main course.
Also as an Athiest, and an Enjoyer of music and parties, computer games and lazy sundays and movies and various other things that are fun, I resent that he has lumped us godless hedonists in with the American Imperialists. Me and my kind don’t want to attack Russia, we didn’t want to attack Iraq, we didn’t want to bring war to Syria, or all the myriad other places where the dollar-empire has brought war and strife and tyranny and terrorism. Do not think that the likes of the Neo-cons and their hatred of anything independent from their center of power somehow represents us Ravers and Loafers, Tokers and Rollers and Rather-be-Chillaxing masses, they do not. They’re the ones who bring the knife to the party.
To put another way, most of us in the West just want to live our lives, be with our lovers, raise our children, enjoy life and be happy and I resent our lying bastard leaders efforts to deny the Russians, the South Americans, the Africans the peace to do the same thing. In fact we are their victims too, they are trying to take away our godless happiness and replace it with their obedient terrorised austerity.
There is nothing wrong with being Godless, and certainly nothing wrong with Materialism… which I feel has been much maligned of late. But then I speak of the Materialism of the Carpenter working with wood, of the Sculptist working with Clay or stone, of the Engineer balancing complex of mass and force and tensile strength, of the Scientist and her patient meticulous measurement and careful reverential daring to make theory, of the Guitarists strum or the dexterous hands of the weaver… Materialism is a fine thing, there is no shame in True Materialsim.
The Ruthless inhuman symbolism of the Market on the other hand… the Tyranny of the Dollar, Margin, Profit and Revenue… and the fanatical practice of the Only Sin (Theft, in case you’re wondering, Theft of the body, Theft of the spirit, Theft of freedom or of labor) the sacrifice of the Society to the Bottom Line… that sucks.
Many of us in the West might be Godless, but that doesn’t mean we’re Soulless. Speaking for myself, I just don’t see faces in the starry giddying whirls of Eternity and call it Fred. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. It certainly doesn’t mean I need to steal anything from Russia, or that I am in league with a bunch of sly psychotic arrogant bastards in Washington.
Igor Strelkov is a very interesting man, I wish someone would make a movie of this mans adventures. I don’t agree with many of his views, for instance he seems to think the West was able to enrich itself vastly by plundering Russia. This is only partially true, in fact the West enriched itself by plundering Asia, Africa and the Americas. Russia was like an after dinner mint washed down with some nice tea after the main course.
Also as an Athiest, and an Enjoyer of music and parties, computer games and lazy sundays and movies and various other things that are fun, I resent that he has lumped us godless hedonists in with the American Imperialists. Me and my kind don’t want to attack Russia, we didn’t want to attack Iraq, we didn’t want to bring war to Syria, or all the myriad other places where the dollar-empire has brought war and strife and tyranny and terrorism. Do not think that the likes of the Neo-cons and their hatred of anything independent from their center of power somehow represents us Ravers and Loafers, Tokers and Rollers and Rather-be-Chillaxing masses, they do not. They’re the ones who bring the knife to the party.
To put another way, most of us in the West just want to live our lives, be with our lovers, raise our children, enjoy life and be happy and I resent our lying bastard leaders efforts to deny the Russians, the South Americans, the Africans the peace to do the same thing. In fact we are their victims too, they are trying to take away our godless happiness and replace it with their obedient terrorized austerity.
There is nothing wrong with being Godless, and certainly nothing wrong with Materialism… which I feel has been much maligned of late. But then I speak of the Materialism of the Carpenter working with wood, of the Sculptist working with Clay or stone, of the Engineer balancing complex of mass and force and tensile strength, of the Scientist and her patient meticulous measurement and careful reverential daring to make theory, of the Guitarists strum or the dexterous hands of the weaver… Materialism is a fine thing, there is no shame in True Materialsim.
The Ruthless inhuman symbolism of the Market on the other hand… the Tyranny of the Dollar, Margin, Profit and Revenue… and the fanatical practice of the Only Sin (Theft, in case you’re wondering, Theft of the body, Theft of the spirit, Theft of freedom or of labor) the sacrifice of the Society to the Bottom Line… that, truly sucks.
Many of us in the West might be Godless, but that doesn’t mean we’re Soulless. Speaking for myself, I just don’t see faces in the starry giddying whirls of Eternity and call it Fred. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. It certainly doesn’t mean I need to steal anything from Russia, or that I am in league with a bunch of sly psychotic arrogant bastards in Washington.
Call us Heathens Godless if you want, you may even consider it an insult, if that’s your world view. Just don’t lump us in with those twats, I guess is what I’m trying to say.
That is all.
I am reading Putin Vs Putin:Vladimir Putin Viewed From The Right-Alexandr Dugin. The book is available for $6.99 on Amazon Kindle. I do not have time to discuss in detail, but Dugin and Strelkov are on the same page with
PM.
Alexandr Dugin and Igor Strelkov support Vladimir Putin in the sharping battle for a sovereign Russia. Both men believe the Russian People are key to success in the on going war with the AZ Empire and their fifth column collaborators within Russia. They advocate a multi-polar world order which is anathema to the One World Neo-Liberal Empire.
There is an element of messianic thought in Dugin and Strelkov’s portrait of the conflict between the AZ Empire and the Russian Eurasain movement. It is a battle for the future and soul of humanity against the Satanic forces of individualism and materialism of the West.
Dugin and Strelkov are often seen together, as they attempt to arouse the Russia People to defend their motherland and Vladimir Putin against the AZ Empire from outside Russia and from the corrupt Russian elites seduced by the Satanic Empire of the West.
Dugin notes that it is possible to ‘turn’ many of the Russian elites to the Eurasain Multi-polar World impulse. The book is a must read for context and depth on the theory and practice of Eurasianism in the struggle for truth and justice for humanity.
Novorossiya flag on car park in KIEV. Looks like 2 DRONES above it, tho what they’d be spying in in the capital is anyone’s guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UonzsSasxY
I think I’ve figured out what’s happening at the airport but I’d rather not say yet.
NATO lackeys are seriously running round in a permanent state of stupidity.
The press keeps repeating the same mantra… the Russians are coming…
I did a quick wrap up of the silly press antics. If anyone has more info on the ??? Russian ship, please let me know. I can guess that it could be the same ship as the one under the spotlight in Sweden.
Thanks in advance
Le DaHu
http://lepontduhadu.blogspot.fr/2014/11/blog-blowing-story-out-of-water-russian.html
IMHO, the U.S. has forecast a future of resource scarcity in which hegemonic power alone can guarantee unfettered access to these resources. In this analysis,
countries with huge populations, i.e. China and India, are its ultimate rivals, especially China with its current economic power.
Russia, however, in standing up to U.S. hegemony, and with Putin spelling it out clearly so that everyone can understand, has put itself inconveniently in the way. The fight for Russian civilization is real for the Russian people, but, IMHO, is not what drives the U.S. against Russia.
In this analysis, defining the Russian ethos in a narrow sense will serve only to divide the Russian people, all of whom – well, the 99% – will lose if the Russian nation is destroyed. BTW, I don’t ignore the fact that Russia’s natural resources are also a prize worthy of capturing.
Regardless of one’s personal beliefs, I think the moral of the story is: don’t help the oppressor in your own oppression. Many points of agreement with Lonkal @20:19.
Hello Saker,
I would like to ask you if you had known Lord Trubeckoj who was a linguist and a maître à penser for Eurasianism (not the Dugin one, he conceived the term before Dugin was ever born). I just ask by conincidence because both of you are of emigrant circles and in touch with them.
Great post, btw, hope to get it printed including comments. Some pages sometimes deserve to be printed and preserved.
There is more than one war being fought.
Economically – right now the ruble is in a fair bit of trouble; interest rates there are up to 9.5%, but the government is not too worried, because their oil is still priced in dollars – which means the budget is winning big time. However, with the fall in oil prices, the budget has lost, but is still breaking even or posting a small gain.
So where is the pain?
It is what happens to all the regular working-guy/gal consumers… They face immediate price increases (25-30%) on all imported goods. This is no small matter. Even deeper though, the economic attack on the rouble and the oil price combine to turn people against the government.
If only oil fell, government revenue is hurt. But Russia has reserves for about 8 years. If the rouble fell, and oil held, then the government would get 25% more income and they could use it to in grants to hurting people.
Because both the ruble and oil have fallen the government has its budget covered – and it looks like the only people hurting are working folk – so that is the economic side of the war against Putin.
Interesting ideology. Somehow it seems like a whole semi-formalized theory of government derived from the ancient Russian peasant plaint, “If only the czar knew!”
@Lonkal
“There is nothing wrong with being Godless, and certainly nothing wrong with Materialism… which I feel has been much maligned of late. But then I speak of the Materialism of the Carpenter working with wood, of the Sculptist working with Clay or stone, of the Engineer balancing complex of mass and force and tensile strength, of the Scientist and her patient meticulous measurement and careful reverential daring to make theory, of the Guitarists strum or the dexterous hands of the weaver… Materialism is a fine thing, there is no shame in True Materialsim.”
When Strelkov talks about materialism IMO he means the disappearance of all human values except money which I believe is characteristic of the US and which is expanding in the EU colonies too. Only one generation ago we had values like
– respect for the family
– respect for elder people
– respect for human relations in general (i.e. live and let live)
– respect for the differences between man and woman
– respect for the value of well-done work
– respect for the national musical, literary and philosophical traditions (i.e. we were coherent nations)
etc…
whereas by now most of these values have been destroyed by the AZ propaganda (each one of those “values” represented an element of cohesion and was therefore undesirable for globalist political reasons) and most of us are becoming incapable of personal thoughts and just want to “live”.
Is the current ~20-30 years old generation starting to change? Hope is always permitted.
Just my 2 cts
HAHA About the Russian oceanography ship.
Next thing they will find a Russian icebreaker in the Arctic. Lot of ice there this time of year.
And then shock horror HORROR I tell you, horror it is a NUCLEAR ship. Yep they have 9 of them.
And American shelters will have trouble placing Russian Blue cats, those most wonderfully docile and smart blue-grey creatures. Maybe they’ll just rename them something “innocuous”.
“I am not, repeat, not asking you to endorse any of these ideas (my own views have also greatly evolved with time), but only to become aware of how different they are from western notions about monarchism […]
[…] I just wanted to explain here that Strelkov’s “monarchism” had very little to do with Elizabeth II of England, Abdullah II of Jordan, the House of Saud or any other of these nasty characters we usually associate with the notion of monarchy nowadays..”
Point taken and many thanks for the clarification :)
I personally have no problems with a nation’s leader (whatever type of government that nation may have) provided he or she holds only the best intentions for their people in his/her heart. This is why I (and I suspect many others too) supported leaders like Gadaffi.
I also recently watched a documentary about Nicholas II; he really seemed like a genuine good guy, that only wished to live a simple life. I would like to know why the hell he married a German (?), oh well, perhaps some Russians might want to shed some light on that one. His daughters, all four of them, also seemed to be as good, decent people as their father, salt of the earth: truly wholesome people. Quite the eye opener, and sadly also, such a tragic story. I would recommend anyone to research them. On the other hand… turning them into Saints figures it’s a bit much though… but I digress.
Having said all that, when there’s an absolutist power position, how can anybody prevent an evil deviant from taking that position? This is the main problem with monarchies and/or the often mythical: ‘benevolent dictator.’ Worse still; is that once one of these evil degenerates take over power, they tend to make sure their successor is as bad as they are or even worse [there are ‘techniques’ to make this happen, btw]
In many ways – and I do take Ann’s post a few threads ago into consideration – this is as much a political battle ground – where different ideologies and interests fight each other – as it is a spiritual battle ground.
As an Atheist, I can say this without a shred of shame; that the proverbial battle of: ‘Good vs. Evil’ is very real. Therefore; one doesn’t need organized religion to know this is actually true.
-TL2Q
Wonderfully put. In spite of personal leanings on the existance of a higher being/sn, entity, or power forces of both good and evil I believe are a reality. Just as there are the sane and the insane. Those that are moral and immoral. Humane and inhumane. Morality and compassion need not only come from those who practice or believe in religions.
It is decadent godless hedonism which is enabled and enables the scientific dictatorship of the Neo-liberal Empire.
The naive defense of materialism is a self-centered narcissism of political, spiritual, and cultural impotence.
It is the underpinning of humanitarian intervention and R2P doctrines of 4th Generation War waged by the liberal elites against humanity.
Dear Saker
I watched the video and I am very surprised that Strelkov is not using terms UNIPOLAR and MULTIPOLAR world and it is the crux of everything.
Ever wondered what word “the west” really means? It is not Mediterranean civilisation of Greece, Italy, Spain or even France. It is not north western European civilisation of Germany or Scandinavia. In fact all these countries have been spied upon by the nations who call and self designate themselves “the west” -a nation otherwise known as 5 Eyes !- A combination of england, usa, canada ,newzealand and australia- disparate nations geographically and not even european ; but esssentially anglosaxon race nations. A race based concept really. West is euphemism for anglos- it does not include any of other white European nations not even the most westerly European nation of Ireland! The word “west” is a fraud to distract from real actors behind the scene-the 5 eyes of pirate English controlled anglo nations.
Strelkov does not know much about China…but that is understandable, most Chinese do not know much about Russian history either as they tend to see Russia as just as an eastern extension of Europe. Some Chinese have warm fuzzy feelings about the early period of Sino-Soviet friendship. Many more see Russia as an important ally vis-a-vis the US. Not many though have warm feelings for the Russian Empire of the 19th century.
He has a point about the “limited morality” and extreme attraction to material possessions in China today but that is largely the result of the following factors:
1. Rapid economic growth over the last 30 years that has created a consumer culture among a significant part of the population.
2. Population pressure and the social pressures that come with having 100,000 people who want your job and could do it well as you could.
3. Cultural confusion due to the May 4th movement in the early 20th century and the longstanding idea that Westernization was needed for China to become strong again. May 4th was not all wrong, but it led to the overthrow of the Confucian scholar-gentry that had been the bedrock of the Chinese civilization and efforts to develop a replacement for the spiritual role of that scholar-gentry are…well it is still a work in progress.
The Chinese culture does not obsess over material wealth itself, but there is a strong focus on social status and prestige within the society. In the current zeitgeist, that prestige gravitates a lot around money but there is also enormous social discontent in China as a result of the role of moneyed influence in society.
China and Russia are quite similar in that sense. Both try to develop alternatives to the Western liberal ideology but their societies are also heavily influenced by that ideology. The main difference is that Russia lived through a decade of rule by Westernized liberals and has absorbed that experience whereas in China the Party-state did not collapse and so they do not have quite the bitterness towards the Western ideology that Russians do.
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On the strategic level:
Many Russian thinkers have worried about the resurgence of China since at least the 19th century. In the 1600s, Russian Cossacks swept all before them in their march eastward until they came to the Chinese frontier where they were defeated in the initial border clashes with the Qing Empire. By the 19th century, Russia enjoyed clear military superiority over China but many Russians understood that once China recovered from its internal troubles, they would have a massive land power to the south of their own sparsely settled eastern territories and which could be much more powerful than their own empire, a situation which Russia has not had to deal with since the fall of the Golden Horde. While China was weak, Russia, under both Czars and Soviets, pursued a two-track policy of building relations with the Chinese central government while also trying to cultivate buffer zones along the Russo-Chinese border on the Chinese side at the expense of Chinese sovereignty(Mongolia, Xinjiang, Manchuria to an extent).
Consequently, I do not think that the Chinese leadership sees the Russian alliance in romantic terms. There probably is some warm fuzzy feeling over the Soviet artistic influence given the large number of Soviet-era songs that are still popular in China but national interests are still at the forefront.
As for Siberia, I would suggest that the notion of a Chinese invasion is fantasy. That would lead to nuclear war which would destroy both countries. What Russia does understandably worry about though is how the Chinese economy will pull eastern Russia into its orbit such that on all important issues in those regions local notables are more concerned about what their business partners in China think than what their political leadership in Moscow thinks. Consequently, Russia has been trying to find various counter-balances to the Chinese economy. I suspect that the effort to keep the Turkic Central Asian states close to Russia is part of this strategy. It is also a large reason why Russia has made great efforts to build up economic ties with Japan and Europe. Now that those latter bridges seemed to be burning, their options are far fewer. The Russian leadership probably would ideally prefer to maintain a certain equilibrium between Europe, China and Japan but the conflict with the US does not make that possible. It has not been China that has been dragging its feet on the gas deal these last 2 decades. The commitment issues in the Russo-Chinese relationship do not come from China’s side alone.
To Toolegit2quit !
Thanks for the ref..
Here’s part of your new comment:
“Having said all that, when there’s an absolutist power position, how can anybody prevent an evil deviant from taking that position? This is the main problem with monarchies and/or the often mythical: ‘benevolent dictator.’ Worse still; is that once one of these evil degenerates take over power, they tend to make sure their successor is as bad as they are or even worse [there are ‘techniques’ to make this happen, btw]”
2legit !
This is a core problem with civilization today…a big problem with leader/parliament is that the laws get changed and then humanity is cursed for decades trying to get control of the criminals…
Rudolf Steiner said that unless civilization became threefold … gov/finance/culture … not twofold – gov and banks… there will be no progress. In other words…the only f**king way for people to protest a move by gov is petitions…how ridiculous is that ????
And Steiner really tried for a few years…he had a big following…but he was working mostly in Germany and the officials in Germany didn’t want to hear him. He saw this whole thing coming down..the NWO…it started before the WW1…read GGPreparata’s “Conjuring Hitler”…
Oh and Legit…I’m not into churches at all, but I’m definitely thinking that people that don’t believe in “spirits” have the devil holding them by the collar…and devil is an old term..nowadays I think “a spirit with negative intentions” is a better way to look at it…
Too bad you wouldn’t like Steiner…but he definitely is aware of Christ and Antichrist…but not organized religion
Anyway, courts and laws should be run and written by the cultural division of society…which is schools, farms, hospitals (and churches) … just regular people…
Ever wondered what word “the west” really means? It is not Mediterranean civilisation of Greece, Italy, Spain or even France. It is not north western European civilisation of Germany or Scandinavia. In fact all these countries have been spied upon by the nations who call and self designate themselves “the west” -a nation otherwise known as 5 Eyes !- A combination of england, usa, canada ,newzealand and australia- disparate nations geographically and not even european ; but esssentially anglosaxon race nations. A race based concept really. West is euphemism for anglos- it does not include any of other white European nations not even the most westerly European nation of Ireland! The word “west” is a fraud to distract from real actors behind the scene-the 5 eyes of pirate English controlled anglo nations.
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I want just to add something.
I agree with you 100%.
I really cannot understand
why so many people who oppose the American hegemony use this name “the west”?
Even some Russians who are supposed to be very smart and clever in geopolitics are using the term “the west” and make great service to UKUSA countries.
If America decides something, she will say “The West has decided”, so she got a cover, she is not alone, she has behind her back “the west”.
But we know nobody has asked Greece, Austria or Italy…
So I beg all people who resist UKUSA hegemony and unipolar world, please stop using this word “the west” which has abstract and racist meaning.
There is no “the west”, somthing like the west does not exist, but there is America with its vassals.
There is NATO and Natoist too, but not “the West”.
There are no two people who will agree on the same definition what and who and since somebody is “the West”.
When the first man arrived on the Moon, nobody says he was sent from “the west” but everybody says he was from America.
If America has unemployment of 5% nobody says unemployment is in the west 5%.
Nobody says GDP in the west is so much and so much, because a country by name the west does not exist.
Interesting interview.
Summarizing a bit abruptly what Strelkov said:
“The West is united in war against us like it has always been, because they want to enslave and prevent us from developing a counter-model based on Christian values, which we have retained while they have abandoned. We are more moral, more spiritual and less materialistic than them”
The above is a messianic ideology complete with idea of self as morally superior, intertwined with “besieged castle” mentality.
Such ideology is dangerous in good times, because it prevents to see complexity in situations and above all, because it tempts one to forget humility.
It is all the more dangerous in times of a real conflict, which has receded only superficially and probably only for a short time.
About humility: I am French, and although married to a Russian I am not close enough to Russia to be in a situation to be more specific. Being humble is something one can do about oneself, or one’s nation, not about others.
I can however say I am convinced that if one looks in earnest to one’s situation and real deeds and other people’s situations and real deeds, one will not fail to see that things are far more complex and nuanced than ideas of “I am morally superior to them all”. No matter whether it’s an American, a French, a Russian or anybody else who is tempted to see himself as morally superior.
As a Christian, I would further note that Jesus calls us to apply his commandments in deeds. And that if Caesar pays lip service to Christ, that doesn’t necessarily mean he is sincere.
Saker, can Ivan IV Grazni be an example of Popular Monarchism, as he stressed the State befor the high-class and promoted popular promotion systems as Oprichnina was?
Saker, what you wrote about monarchy makes me remember a history lesson in a conservative Swedish school, which of course was closed down years ago. The teacher, the son of a bishop, said there were traditionally three forces in the past, the king, the aristocracy and the people. Life was good in Sweden-Finland when the king was in alliance with the people against the aristocracy and bad when the nobles ran the country, as they always tried to do, the teacher said. They plotted and plotted and sometimes had the king marginalized. In the 18th century the king was weak and the situation was critical. France bribed half the parliament and Russia bribed the other half. The system was corrupt and the people suffered. The teacher simplified, he didn’t look at the power of the Church and the new moneymakers, two formidable forces, but overall he got it right.
Peter modernized Russia, but he also introduced similar problems. The situation was not much better in Russia. A young tzaritza, who never married, I forgot her name, restored order and the Swedish-Finnish king, inspired by the tzaritza, made a similar coup. Order was restored. What happened? The aristocrats, inspired by the French revolution, but only working for themselves, had him killed.
This is an interesting subject and it points to the same thinking in all the Northern countries.
Perhaps the sorrows started in catholic times can be healed? We are historically and genetically related. We know that because of history, but modern DNA science has recently confirmed it. Just look at the Orthodox influence in Scandinavia as late as in the 13th century. You call him Vladimir, we call him Valdemar, a wellknown old name in this part of the world. The British should take notice of the red and white roses. You will find the same division in the Russian world. Has the same thinking, the king as a protector of the people, existed on the European continent? I hope someone can answer this question. I don’t know it all.
How can we apply this knowledge to our time? In the US, the president is appointed by people resembling aristocrats from the past. You can vote all you want, but you vote for candidates appointed by the ruling elite. I admire the US constitution, but it has been suspended and many can see it. There is no people power in the US, except locally, and almost none in the EU. Our system is different, we can vote for more parties than two, we can vote for new parties in order to insult our rulers, we can challenge the ruling elite in our parliaments, but what happens to these parties? They are demonized in the media and planted critics, undercover agents of sorts, tell us how bad the parties are. Some of these parties are radical and I don’t necessarily endorse them, but I understand the voters. They desperately want change and look for alternatives. Will Orban and Le Pen make it? I don’t know, but I have doubts, and I don’t know if the situation will be improved. Farage in the UK? My prognosis is his chances are better, but there are no guarantees. I think there are new leftist movements in southern Europe. Are they strong? Can they make a difference? Elsi, what do you think?
When I look at politicians in my country, I notice some of them are regular guests at the US Embassy. The US nurtures our lawmakers as France and Russia did in the 18th century. And the people? It suffers and so do the subjects of the Empire. We are under the rule of todays aristocracy. Vladimir Putin is not a Tzar, but he is close. He works for the people. He has my full support.
Saker wrote:
“For Russia a bloated bureaucracy has always been a major problem. Solonevich saw that and hated it. He also saw the no less crazy German bureaucracy under Herr Hitler, and then the US bureaucracy in occupied Germany. He equally hated them all. But he was no Ron Paulian liberterian, he also wanted a strong state and he accepted that ‘some’ bureaucracy was not only inevitable, but actually desirable. It’s just that he wanted the minimum and no more.”
German bureaucracy on the federal level under this man I don’t want to name was limited to around 3000 individuals and that included the entire secret police, the Gestapo. The German states had many more bureaucrats, of course. Hundreds of thousands. What the US did, I don’t know.
re: the “West”
When people talk about about the “West” I believe they mean the AZ Empire i.e. mainly the 5-Eyes countries plus the European colonies. And since all of these countries have politicians + policies that are by now completely subservient to the Empire of Lies (including policies that destroy their own populations and policies that aim to destroy RU) I feel that the Term “the West” is justified.
NotSoFast said…
re: the “West”
When people talk about about the “West” I believe they mean the AZ Empire i.e. mainly the 5-Eyes countries plus the European colonies. And since all of these countries have politicians + policies that are by now completely subservient to the Empire of Lies (including policies that destroy their own populations and policies that aim to destroy RU) I feel that the Term “the West” is justified.
07 November, 2014 12:41
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The problem is that there are not two people who will give you the same definition.
I suits America and Natoists.
The more countries Russia groups together in “the West” the better for UKUSA countries, they have stronger coverage and Russia has more enemies.
NotSoFast said…@ 07 November, 2014 12:41
“And since all of these countries have politicians + policies that are by now completely subservient to the Empire of Lies (including policies that destroy their own populations and policies that aim to destroy RU) I feel that the Term “the West” is justified.”
Evaluation is a function of purpose.
If the purpose is to transcend the only valid term is the opponents, thereby facilitating the maximum opportunities for multi-level lateral challenge.
If the purpose is not to transcend then “the West” is justified as you conflate whole populations with the opponents, thereby minimising opportunities for multi-level lateral challenge.
The opponents are alloys, the composition of which is assayed by immersion, and hence you can be your own opponent which can be mutated/transcended through motivation and intellectual rigour, which I suggest that you have failed to exhibit in various of your postings, using the apparent alibi of being NotSoFast.
A problem with any monarchy, popular or otherwise, is that of succession. Sooner or later most inherit a Charles II or Nikolai II, kindly, well-meaning, but very weak monarchs, often dominated by their wives or favorites. Even worse can be a strong monarch like Nikolai I, so intent on preserving his rule he rejects technological advances necessary to keep his realm and military competitive.
The Mexican arrangement seems better, with an elected leader (maybe by a Zemsky Sobor, maybe called Tsar), for a term of 7, even 10 years, prohibited from another term for 4 or 5 years to prevent collusion.
@ Song……………………… 1/2
The picture you paint of China and its mindset is different from what I experienced myself. Here is my personal experience:
– I’ve had 30+ years of good relationships with Chinese immigrants in Europe, some of which have become good friends
– When I noticed they came from another planet (culturally speaking :-) ) I took 3 years of Chinese courses
– I also read (translations of) some of their literature (Confucius, Tao, I Jing)
– and it took me at least 3-5 years to emotionally adjust to their cultural outlook and to accept parts of their tradition.
My conclusions were (and are) that the Chinese outlook is very different from ours in the following points:
– each individual is only responsible for himself
– each individual is extremely sensitive to his own desires but completely insensitive to the desires of others (linked to the preceding point) – unless the other is powerful.
– an attitude of „Winner takes all“ – competitors who are weak have no rights (in other words might is right)
– if you are cheated by somebody it’s your own fault because you did’nt pay attention (see f. ex. the 36 stratagems)
– helping others is unadvisable because you will most likely become a victim yourself (understandable in view of the preceding points)
– an overall feeling of racial superiority which is considered normal and patriotic
The parts of Chinese tradition that I finally felt I could accept were
– you are also responsible for yourself: only helping others while ignoring yourself is not good policy. But you are also responsible for others – the one you help today may help you tomorrow.
– the Chinese idea of racial superiority=patriotism is closer to the normal human feeling than the AZ attitude which I feel uncomfortable with. But I reject the idea of overall superiority and the ensuing genocides.
And I might add that I’m quite relieved that people like Putin, Khazin and Strelkov seem to tend towards a somewhat similar understanding.
@ Song……………………… 1/2
Here are some of your points where I’m doubtful:
„Some Chinese have warm fuzzy feelings about the early period of Sino-Soviet friendship.“
I believe that these warm feelings are more than compensated for by the feelings of fear/mistrust that motivated the building of extensive underground bunkers against Soviet attacks (in Beijing f. ex.)
„He has a point about the “limited morality” and extreme attraction to material possessions in China today but that is largely the result of the following factors:
1. Rapid economic growth over the last 30 years that has created a consumer culture among a significant part of the population. …….“
The Chinese that I know emigrated from China 2 or 3 generations ago – and it always strikes me that their mindset is in many ways similar to the Jewish mindset:
– they have a definite feeling of racial superiority
– they are very interested in money as a means of domination – in South Vietnam f. ex. they represented a small part of the population only (~10%?) but controlled large parts of the economy (> 40%? >50%? not sure)
– they have relatives in all the countries on Earth and pay visits to each other – I’ve myself participated in visits where the 7 of us slept on mattresses in the small bedroom of a Chinese family in another country – everybody was happy and it was an interesting experience.
– Chinese immigrants very often don’t mix with the population of the host country: they marry among themselves, meet among themselves – their typical relationships with the host country seem to be financial ones – unless they are a small minority. But if the immigrants become numerous enough they will control the whole economy (see f. ex. the history of Malaysia)
Conclusion:
I do not feel that the Chinese interest in money is a recent phenomenon – I believe it is an integral part of their culture and of their hegemonic ambitions.
@ anon 13.39
“The problem is that there are not two people who will give you the same definition.
I suits America and Natoists.
The more countries Russia groups together in “the West” the better for UKUSA countries, they have stronger coverage and Russia has more enemies. “
I agree with your implied comment that most of our 99% do not view RU in this way – but they mostly are a passive lot and let everything happen so that “the West” is maybe not so wrong after all. And it makes for easy understanding…sigh
Btw does he really think that /all/ of “the West” is against RU? Seeing that he was a colonel in the KGB maybe not – but I don’t know.
@ anon 14.07
I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post. And moreover I believe that placing too much emphasis on intellectual prowess (IQ) or on mathematical formulations seriously weakens us in the area of human understanding (traditionally called “common sense”). An illustration of that would be a Nietzsche description that rings a strong bell with me:
“Logic is like a mirror that only reflects without adding content of its own. But if you become a perfect mirror you are not human anymore – just a mirror.” (my own formulation from memory :-) )
No offense intended
bob kay said…
It is decadent godless hedonism which is enabled and enables the scientific dictatorship of the Neo-liberal Empire.
The naive defense of materialism is a self-centered narcissism of political, spiritual, and cultural impotence.
It is the underpinning of humanitarian intervention and R2P doctrines of 4th Generation War waged by the liberal elites against humanity.
07 November, 2014 00:29
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You see, this is what I mean, in a world whos history contains innumerable megadeaths perpetrated by the ‘godfull’, we have words like ‘science’ and ‘liberal’ being used as the bogeyman because of the acts of ‘Men of Faith’, like Tony “I iz a Catholic Now” Blair, or Mr George “Devout Christian” Bush. Even Stalin took his Cult of Personality from the ideas he enjoyed at Priest School.
The Godless, the Hedonists, and even the people who are both Godless and Hedonistic, have far better things to do then impose some Glorious Tomorrow Under God or The Market on people.
Better to be one who simply wishes to live his or her life in peace, liberty and compassion, then one of these fixed-eyed zeolots, full of ruthless judgment and unbending faith. This whole Russia/Ukraine/EU thing is a continuation of the same old tragedy, “Our God versus Their God”. As an Atheist, I want nothing to do with your damn crusades and jihads.
Lets not forget by the way, that the Scientific Method (of investigation) is the only reason why over 80% of us even exist today to go around using the word ‘science’ as if it’s a cuss-word.
By bob kay: “It is decadent godless hedonism which is enabled and enables the scientific dictatorship of the Neo-liberal Empire.”
Nonsense! So according to you, this whole ‘godlessness’ thing is what enables people to engage in hedonistic, and presumably; self-destructing activities, uh!? So, I guess you never heard of practicing Pagans (they believe in their own deities btw, so hence: they’re not godless) yet plenty of them engage on activities you might refer to as: hedonistic.
Satanists are the same, they’re certainly not godless either and incidentally; many members of the so-called ruling elite believe in one form or another of what many would describe, for lack of a better term, as ‘Satanism’ … again: not “godless.”
Just for the record ‘godless’ doesn’t necessarily mean: they believe in ‘gods’ that aren’t Bob’s god. It simply means: they don’t believe in ANY god/s.
No offence intended, but you might want to go back and rethink that whole “godless” concept.
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By Lonkal: “This whole Russia/Ukraine/EU thing is a continuation of the same old tragedy, “Our God versus Their God”. As an Atheist, I want nothing to do with your damn crusades and jihads.”
LoL! Tell me about it ;-) It’s the 21srt Century (isn’t it?) …about time we moved on…
“Lets not forget by the way, that the Scientific Method (of investigation) is the only reason why over 80% of us even exist today to go around using the word ‘science’ as if it’s a cuss-word.”
Of course science is not a cuss-word, that’s just silly, but we also must be vigilant not to replace one idol [religion] for another [science]. Science is only a tool that enables us to understand the world/universe around us, it is not something that we should follow blindly and unquestionably. Blind faith – even in science – is anathema to science itself.
[Don’t bite my head off, that’s just my 2 Cents]
-TL2Q
NotSoFast said…@ 07 November, 2014 16:45
“@ anon 14.07
I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post.”
If you don’t understand the post, why do you seek to comment upon it,
given that you confirm that you don’t understand it?
On China: With one partial interregnum, China like other places is and has been a class-based society with class-based culture.
Any descriptions we make of Chinese culture taking it as a unitary thing are going to be very incomplete. China has an old and strong mercantile culture . . . among the merchants. It also has an old and strong peasant culture, which is rather different. And it has an old and strong “educated class” culture, which interpenetrates with the mercantile somewhat, and more nowadays, but probably has a greater independent existence than the “intelligentsia” cultures of most other countries, rooted in the centuries-long tradition of exams to get into the lucrative and powerful civil service.
Expat Chinese groups I think tend to disproportionately represent the mercantile Chinese culture. It may give us a distorted view of China overall. It may also make people think of the Chinese as more similar to Jews than they actually are . . . Judaism has a long mercantile tradition partly because through the middle ages in many places they weren’t allowed to own land or be military, so merchanting, banking and craftsmanship were basically what they had left. A bad deal in medieval times when the important things were land and men at arms, but luckily for them it positioned them to do amazingly well for a persecuted group when society changed to make merchants and bankers powerful. They got in on the ground floor of capitalism precisely because they’d been excluded from feudalism.
Correction to 07 November, 2014 14:57:
I meant Charles I (of England) of course. Charles II was relatively successful (luck of the draw). Don’t touch type, fat fingered.
NotsoFast,
Purple library guy is correct.
I would also add that, as part of the focus on social prestige in the Chinese character, Chinese immigrants are rarely content to stay as sub-proletarians who end up recruited as the foot soldiers of various leftist political parties. They will work to rise into the middle class and given the capitalist ethos of the current world situation as well as the fact that the Chinese are generally not very warlike people, they will seek social advancement through commerce first and foremost. Under present historical conditions, the mercantile class in China does not have a scholar-gentry class above it to provide moral restraint as that class was overthrown and the potential replacement(s) are not yet up to snuff.
The examples of Chinese economic dominance in southeast Asian countries has a lot to say about the culture of the majority populations in those countries as well. In Europe and North America, or even Latin America, Chinese immigrants do not dominate the local economy. Even in southeast Asia, the Chinese economic dominance does not translate into political dominance.
As for individual and group responsibility, your typical Chinese feels responsible for the behaviour of his kin group and his close associates in addition to his own behaviour. They are also very concerned with the feelings of others in the sense that they have to deal with those others and if those others have their mistakes exposed too baldly, then the relationships will become difficult. That is the whole concept of face.
It is true though that Chinese have a much weaker sense of charity towards complete strangers than do most Europeans.
As for the Sino-Soviet relationship, since the current Sino-Russian relationship is good, Chinese discourse tends to focus on the positive periods of the Sino-Soviet relationship. Russia today is not a military threat to China, but the Soviet Union in the 1960s-1980s was and the Soviet government sounded out the US on the prospect of a joint pre-emptive nuclear strike against China before China developed its own nuclear weapons.
Finally, I do not think that there is much Chinese sense of racial superiority. Rather, there is an enormous sense of historical prestige combined with some aching uncertainty about how much of the Chinese culture is “backward” and not suitable for the present world situation.
As for the focus on intermarriage, well that is norm with most normal peoples. There is no stigma associated with marrying a non-Chinese unless one is perceived as marrying down in terms of social status.
@ TooLegit2Quit
Didn’t mean to bite anyones head off, and I don’t consider Science (a method of investigation) as the sort of thing one could really make into some sort of ideology (can be and has been used to try and create ideologies of course, but that kind of nonsense doesn’t really fly, proper science should always question everything after all, including itself, fanatical ideology doesn’t really like questions, not really).
All I’m saying is that you don’t need to be Keen on Jesus or whathaveyou to be against imperialism. In fact often, religion (or more generally Faith) really helps with imperialism and oppression, with rationalizing why it’s ok to wipe out a bunch of people because Greater Sacred Truth (the Market, the Koran, some Messiah was heard to remark…) Considering we’re all flawed limited human beings there should be a lot less of this haughty Supremacism that likes to consider us Heathens as all degenerate untermenchen. At best Mr Godder, you’re just going by some stuff you read in a book written by someone you never met. Faith (pretty much by definition) is a fancy word for Unfounded Opinion.
Better to be faithless and compassionate then faithful and ruthless. Not living onces life as if ones unfounded opinion should trump all other considerations does not place one on the same side as the imperialists if you ask me. Usually it’s actually the opposite.
It comes down to this, forget religion, are you good? Do you look to steal from the lives of others or not? That is all. Let the eternal look on regardless.
Faith is necessary for martyrdom and without the possibility of martyrdom then resistance will always crumble before superior forces. The individual has to be willing to die for something greater than himself. Otherwise, faced with superior force, that individual will always pick the path of least resistance and submit.
Whether that faith has to be based on certain prophetic traditions from ancient Palestine which were then further developed by the Greeks is another question. I suspect not but it cannot be answered via rational argument.
Faith is not subject to reason either. One can use reason to refine certain points of faith here and there but faith and reason are different things and generally the mixing of the two will corrode both. The first establishes purpose and the second develops the technical means with which to pursue that purpose. Reason by itself will never give you purpose and if faith does not provide that purpose than your appetites will.
Now, it is certainly possible to have faith without actually believing in a god per se. East Asian countries have had plenty of martyrs without having their morality being based on belief in gods.
However, the contemporary Western secularism is different from pre-Christian paganism in Europe or the East Asian mystical traditions. The contemporary Western secularism is really a kind of modified Christianity. Christianity posited humans as being made in a divine image, raising human dignity and worth far above what other traditions posit. However, under Christianity, there was still God on top of this elevated humanity who provided humanity with purpose (to get back to God, in short). The modern Western secularism is the elevated humanity with God removed and humanity raised further to God-like stature. Hence the Western modern secularism has no sense of hubris or the fates whereas the old paganism did.
The problem is that raising humanity to God-like dignity as a whole is rubbish. It is not possible. The reality of the post-Christian West is that everyone thinks they can make their rules and be God-like but they are really just ruled by their appetites which makes them masses easy to rule by small oligarchies who direct the economic structures that satisfy and promote those appetites.
Come on, Kat Kan: What do you think’s going on at the airport?
GiVI SITREP: airport, 07.11.2014 (bot translation)
“Yesterday was a very difficult day for us at first, and then for them.
By City yesterday they struck two packages “Grad”, very badly hit home store.
On our side, 1 – 300 minutes (1 injured).
The enemy was killed yesterday one tank regiment commander in the rank of colonel and 9 officers, destroyed 4 tanks, 2 “Castle”, 2 artillery batteries, destroyed a column in the sand – 4 “Ural” with ammunition, 4 tanks and BMP 2.
In small armed clashes were destroyed detachment, in a military unit in Avdeyevka destroyed 2 radios, radar, which was engaged in radio intercepts, infantry – about 160-170 people.
In the evening there was an attempt break tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
The shelling continued, at any time, we are ready to come to the defense and on the offensive, “- said Givi.
It is a lame movement indeed that can’t make itself look harmless and attractive in a pamphlet.
Read it twice. What is missing?
Where is the brotherhood of man?
If my values are better than your values, and my soul is better than your soul and you can’t even aspire to them because they’re rooted in my soil . . .
Monarchism marches in parades shoulder to shoulder with fascism because it is the bud of which fascism is the flower.
I’ve never quite understood nationalism. What difference does it make to your personal worth where your mother was standing when her water broke?
Analysts of fascism with a lean towards the social sciences agree that a national humiliation is a fertile ground for the growth of ultra-nationalist movements. Russia has certainly had that, and Ukraine too.
Putin is applying the cure: genuine accomplishments that are more satisfying than pipedreams of glory.
Saker is perhaps enjoying the best cure: genuine personal success, so you no longer need wrap yourself in borrowed rags and flags.
Who was that masked man?” III
In my lost essay I had this beautifully organized but this time I’m just going to free associate.
What can we expect from the superannuated spy? What skills sets has he acquired, what training, what assets? What are old spies like? What do they do? Are many of them hooked? Do they keep playing the game pro bono?
Stream of Consciousness
Deception. Ruthlessness. Misdirection. Infiltration. Lies are tools. False identities. Cover stories. Re-invention of self. False persona, a mask, and never letting it slip. False promises. Betrayal. Fading into the background. Recruitment. Persuasion. Blackmail. Manipulation. Propaganda. Hidden agendas. Hidden loyalties. Feigned loyalties. Ulterior motives. Building networks. Building loyalty. Disinformation. Code words. Recognition signals. Leave no witnesses.
Interrogation: Reading face and body language: learning all the tells. Control of face and body language: learning to control and use your own. Establishing rapport. What is most painful that leaves no marks? Which personality types are most terrified by the threat of blinding? Which castration? How to cobble together a hand-cranked generator. Pliers, fingernails, teeth. Good cop, bad cop. Stress positions.
Strelkov’s genius: commanding the blogosphere and aiming it at Zakharchenko. Bold headline in blog the morning after Gubarev was attacked: “Thanks, Zak, you motherfucker!”
Behind closed doors
What we saw: mysterious hints that Zak had written his resignation.
Zak still there.
Zak goes off to Russia. Surkov takes Zak to dinner at fancy restaurant.
Strelkov says Zakharchenko has been bought by a dinner by silky Surkov, Strelkov’s arch enemy.
What Cass says: Hot damn! Zakharchenko backed Putin down!
Putin says of ceasefire: They think if they lay down their arms they will be murdered. We have to respect that.
Russian agents can’t bring Zak to heel over ceasefire. Take him to the Big Dog. Zak brings the Big Dog to heel.
Military aid comes to Donbass from Russia for the first time.
Triple Wow!
Who was it who was saying condescendingly that maybe Zak would turn out to be a good diplomatic (because according to guess who he wasn’t much as a combatant)?
Bite your tongue.
Alexis TK27:
Salute!
Anonymous said..;07 November, 2014 11:35:
…Elsi, what do you think?
Well, it is possible that in Southern Europe there is hope. Greece has already aroused even after several beatings and, in Italy, where the other day left a million workers to the streets to try to stop the “labor reform” of the “center-left” of Matteo Renzi (something already applied here, quasi-free dismissal, salaries of slavery, lack of social, labor and health protection, absence of collective bargaining … leaving you at the mercy of the employer).
In Spain, where we had breakfast every morning with a new corruption scandal (Gürtel Case Noos, Bank preferred stocks, Caja Madrid´s black cards, tax evasion of great fortunes Botín, Pujol ), increasingly bold and brash statements from employers, with thousands of families who have lost their homes and their savings by gangsterized banksters which have had to be rescued to cover theft and wastage, and a blatant attempt to privatize key public sectors such as health and education, discontent ever increasing, which started the “outraged movement 15M”, joined the organization of citizen protest called “tides”, green (teaching), white (health,) joined the platform of affected by evictions (PAH) and associations affected by the bank preference stocks, together with the leadership of some teachers of the Complutense University of Madrid, that have come out of the classroom and have gone all around Spain talking to people in their own language and convincing them of the need to get involved in politics and take control of this chaotic situation. All that aided by the organizational capacity of a small Trotskyist party ( Anticapitalist Left ) and media pull of these leaders, increasingly present in the media because the share rised to their crystal clear statements, has cristalized in the movement “Podemos”.
With a speech that want to avoid identification with any particular ideology, defined as a move neither left nor right, to bind to that most citizens who can not anymore, and appealing to common sense, to the grassroots empowerment and the need that fear change sides, with some initial estimates of 0.2% of the vote, ridiculed in the media for bipartisanship (PP / PSOE)(called them freaks), got in the recent European elections five deputies. This has already resulted in plain insults, especially by the corrupt right (PP) that labeled pro-ETA, Bolivarians ( because made consultancy work for the government of Venezuela ), friends of Cuba, Marxist-Leninist, pro-Iranians ( because Pablo Iglesias presents a political gathering, Fort Apache, which its production sells to Hispan TV). Well, now head voting intentions in the polls for the 2015 elections.
Yes, it could finally, fear will change sides.
To ilustrate all that this article of some representatives of Podemos:
“Ending gangsterization of policy”:
http://blogs.publico.es/tomar-partido/2014/11/06/acabar-con-la-gangsterizacion-de-la-politica/
Episode between David Fernandez (catalan parliament deputy for CUP) and Rodrigo Rato ( IMF former director, former President of Bankia (the largest bank rescued in Spain, which has taken nearly the amount of all the cuts made in Spain) ) mentioned in the article whose link is attached in my previous comment.
http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20131111/54393989649/david-fernandez-rato-gangster.html
Cassandra,
Have you something to do with “Essence of Time” Kurgynian movement?
We have here crystal clear that you are the defender of Zakharchenko ( and Akhmetov, which assures us, a little bit more, of the rumours about their connection ), only, with the style you use, throwing filth on Strelkov, day in and day out, we already fear the worst about the future of Novorussia.
To release Novorussia is needed to unite all forces, as is well understood in the ranks of the militia, where they attended and fought alongside people of conscience of all ideologies.
The tactic of divide ( and conquest) the NAF can only come from those who do not favor a Novorussia “oligarchs free” and of the slavery and misery they bring back, the Ukies and the 5th and 6th columns.
Cassandra said, “What Cass says: Hot damn! Zakharchenko backed Putin down!”
Yes! The other version of your brilliant thought exercise is that Putin used Big Dog Zak to remind Surkov of certain fatal realities and Slick Surkov was used to keep Big Dog Zak straining on the lease.
ToLegitToQuit said, “No offence intended, but you might want to go back and rethink that whole “godless” concept.”
None taken! You are right…hedonism is god for the man hanged upside down.
@ Song and Purple library
„Expat Chinese groups I think tend to disproportionately represent the mercantile Chinese culture. „
Most likely true – in any case the immigrants that I know are mostly merchants.
„ They are also very concerned with the feelings of others in the sense that they have to deal with those others and if those others have their mistakes exposed too badly, then the relationships will become difficult. That is the whole concept of face. „
Yes. The concept of face (=social standing and prestige) which is extremely important for Chinese is very different from ours.
„It is true though that Chinese have a much weaker sense of charity towards complete strangers than do most Europeans. „
Yes. And we do not look at it as charity only but also as a spiritual value „I am human, you are human“ – but that may be my personal interpretation and I will not insist on that.
„As for the focus on intermarriage, well that is norm with most normal peoples. There is no stigma associated with marrying a non-Chinese unless one is perceived as marrying down in terms of social status. „
hmm… In Europe by now intermarriages between Europeans are extremely frequent – except maybe for people who have a strong affinity for their national traditions. Have the Chinese become as easygoing in this matter? Not among those that I know – but I’m not sure.
My main feeling of unease however mainly concerns the relentless expansion of China and the relentless grinding down of its conquered minorities.
„Finally, I do not think that there is much Chinese sense of racial superiority. Rather, there is an enormous sense of historical prestige combined with some aching uncertainty about how much of the Chinese culture is “backward” and not suitable for the present world situation. „
China is a old and proud culture – with this I certainly agree. Yet I do not forget that other cultures have also strongly shaped human history: old ones (like India, Vietnam, Iran), recent ones (like Europe, US, Russia) plus all the forgotten ones, a number of which were proud cultures indeed. As to the present world situation I personally feel that an important change is occuring and that humanity is becoming a planetary population. And that we are slowly becoming aware that we + our planet are very fragile and that our present outlook is unsuitable for this situation. And if this „aching uncertainty“ should be flowering in the Chinese collective mind it would be a huge success for planetary humanity.
You’re preaching to the choir there, my friend ;-) Great post, btw. If I had to chose a sentence it would be this one:
“Better to be faithless and compassionate then faithful and ruthless.”
Ain’t that the truth? Especially that latter part. How many acts of unspeakable evil have been committed in the name of this or that religion through out the ages? Mind you, I would settle for people everywhere just following the ‘Golden Rule/Directive’: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.
Is that too much to ask?
-TL2Q
To: Elsi 08 November, 2014 14:43
Thank you for the report. It is good people wake up in southern Europe.