From the English version of the Colonel Cassad blog.
The following was posted by Igor Strelkov on a Russian social forum
Comrades and the accompanying ladies!
Snake [n.b. a nickname of a forum admin?] talked me into logging into the forum and telling at least a few words about what is happening. Due to a number of circumstances I won’t comment in any way on the events that occur in Novorossia. I will only note that I am, to put it mildly, “not jubilant”.
As for the rest:
1. Everything that is related to my resignation and departure and the subsequent silence was a necessary consequence of a number of circumstances, which I am not going to explain in this format. Perhaps, somewhat later.
2. I wasn’t in Yalta and I wasn’t going to be there. Under the cover of my name a PR-sabbath was organized there by the paid friends of a “fur animal” [n.b. this is a transparent hint at Surkov, which sounds similar to “сурок” in Russian, which translates into “marmot”] which must not confused with fox [n.b. absolutely untranslatable play of words.. another furred animal “песец” that’s also used as an expletive in Russian meaning, the end result is making the already transparent hint at Surkov even less transparent plus bringing an element of a thinly veiled insult directed at Mr. Surkov into the whole sentence]. The fact that Mozgovoi and Druz were there is a consequence of this hoax and nothing else. Also, I don’t know anything about the rally on September 13th, where I am apparently supposed to show up.
3. Anatoly El-Murid [n.b. the famous Russian blogger el_murid, who is an acquaintance of Strelkov] writes whatever he thinks is necessary, but he is in touch with me. Verbal attacks on him in my view are indirect evidence of the attackers affiliation with the “birds from Surkov’s nest” with corresponding conclusions with respect to them (“there is such a profession – to love one’s Motherland for money!”).
4. I read the “Questions to Strelkov”. I won’t reply right now. Later.
5. I don’t remove the responsibility for the situation in Donetsk from myself. I am well-informed about what is currently happening there. But right now I cannot influence it in any way, unfortunately. For now.
6. I will definitely continue to fight for my Homeland in one format or another. Let my numerous “well-wishers” (in Russia and Novorossia and also in the Ruin) have no illusions in this respect. While I’m alive they won’t sleep well. Also I’m sending a “message” to someone in Donetsk, as it is often said these days “I’m angry and my memory is good”. :) This especially concerns one elderly fan of good cigars and whiskey, who was successfully pretending to be “an officer and a patriot” for more than 20 years. He will understand. Respect and honour is no longer about him. As for various scum among the locals, no mater who is on whose leash, I also suggest them not to forget that I’m still alive and capable of acting.
7. Yulia Latynina and Co. (n.b. this presumably refers to the liberal crowd at the radio station “Echo of Moscow”) shouldn’t expect me in their company. I never had and will never have anything in common with them. “They are in need of great upheavals…” (n.b. a reference to the famous quote by Pyotr Stolypin: “You, gentlemen, are in need of great upheavals; we are in need of Great Russia.”).
8. By the end of September a second book of my fairy tales should come out, which was launched into publication already before departing into Crimea.
Respectfully, Strelok
Truly a great man. He has been Judas’d by Putin. If he gets too noble, I hope he won’t be killed by the feckless oligarchs and Russian traitors holding him back
What Igor Strelkov needs to do is move to Syria and help Assad destroy the ISIS. They could use someone who knows how to organize military units against western armed formations.
“Snake”
Could that instead be translated “The Serpent” with the meaning “The Devil”? I.e., he is giving in to temptation and becoming involved when he has been told to be quiet?
intelligent piece by Stephen Cohen:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/top-russia-expert-ukraine-joining-nato-would-provoke-nuclear-war
Check out
https://twitter.com/anaxarchos
He understands where this is going. While Russian nationalism lit the fire, the future of New Russia is all about socialism.
Right on!
It would seem that we are indeed living in interesting times. We have the true patriots, the false patriots and the unknown patriots. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Hopefully Novorossiya will eventually win.
Saker,
Okay, I am simply, totally and completely confuzzled. No problem with waiting for things to sift out, shape up or whatever, or speculating when there’s at least a bit more than quicksand on which to build ’em.
But right now, all I’m seeing is vague-ish shapes in a fog. Which players — which analysts — to trust? I don’t even know how to judge them: I can’t even keep all of them straight.
Could you maybe please provide a glossary of the main behind-the-scenes players and kind of sort them in terms of Fifth-Column-ness, Neo-Bolshevism, whatever? I can’t even do that!
And I just feel totally lost, totally without adequate criteria w/which to judge anyone, basically, East of the Dnieper. I keep thinking I do and then everything changes again.
And thank you, bc you’re a pole of sanity and knowledge in all this!
I got this from MoA, posted by Anon:
From a long piece in the London Review of Books –
Why not kill them all?
And so imagine if for two decades you have been trying to pull your country, bit by bit, into Europe. Imagine that it’s been a bumpy road – everything you accomplish seems to get sabotaged by the political forces from the east. Imagine that finally the contradictions within your country have come to a breaking point. Imagine that all the people who opposed your politics for twenty years – all the most backward, poorest, least successful people in the country – got together in one place, declared an independent republic, and took up arms? What would you do? You could let them go. But then you’d lose all that land and its industrial capacity and also what kind of country just lets chunks of itself fall off? Perhaps you could think of it as an opportunity. Something similar happened when the old Stalinists and nationalists took over the Supreme Soviet in Moscow in 1993. All the enemies of progress in one place, all the losers and has-beens: wouldn’t it be better just to solve the problem once and for all? Wouldn’t it be a better long-term solution just to kill as many as you could and scare the shit out of the rest of them, for ever? This is what I heard from respectable people in Kiev. Not from the nationalists, but from liberals, from professionals and journalists. All the bad people were in one place – why not kill them all?
Strelkov and Mozgovoi still have plenty of fighting to do.
There is no agreement, only posturing.
Putin told Barroso he could take Ukraine in 15 days for a specific reason. VVP wouldn’t make an empty threat of this magnitude unless he was fully prepared to carry it out. He was telling the EU this is your last chance to stop the war in your way.
Putin is in cahoots not with Obama but with the pro Eurasian faction within the EU. They want Russia to invade Ukraine and be done with it. After two or three years both sides (the EU and Russia) will get most of what they want if all goes according to plan.
Meanwhile the NATO beast is slowly being marginalized. Anyone who knows the history of Gladio, Gladio ‘b’ and related understands that European political leaders have as much interest in ridding themselves of NATO as anyone else.
My belief is that Putin and Merkel are cooperating with the objective of destroying fascist EU paramilitaries once and for all.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, I’m a (rather reluctant) child of the West: it’s the water I swim in and while I don’t like very much of it, I think I’ve got a fairly clear sense of what’s in it, how it flows, where it’s headed, etc.
And I think I pretty much get what’s going on in Ukraine west of the Dnieper bc it functions in a post-Soviet but essentially European fashion, with a strong overlay of failed-state.
And I can see what Putin’s doing both domestically and internationally, and am totally impressed. But I’m finding what’s going on right now both in Novorossiya and Russian domestic politics (you will excuse me) just Byzantine in complexity, with a multitude of fault lines and factions I simply cannot grasp hold of — every time I think I have, there’s another level of something and it’s like somebody just shook the table on which I was putting the darned jigsaw puzzle together.
I totally get that we’re not going to understand the ins and outs of this totally until it’s over, but I think I need a bit more of a map to at least pin down better what is and is not knowable!
Does that make any sense? I sure hope so! Bc right now I’m feeling this whole thing is about as clear as mud! ;~)
@Nora: Okay, I am simply, totally and completely confuzzled. No problem with waiting for things to sift out, shape up or whatever, or speculating when there’s at least a bit more than quicksand on which to build ’em. But right now, all I’m seeing is vague-ish shapes in a fog. Which players — which analysts — to trust? I don’t even know how to judge them: I can’t even keep all of them straight.
Make up your own mind :-)
I posted the piece by Mozgovoi because I think that his view is important. Ditto for Strelkov. BUT I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF THEM. I think that honest people can disagree and that on such a highly debatable topic, there can be several sincerely held and logical opinions. I happen to think that the course followed right now by Zakharchenko is a realistic and smart one. I also think that Zakharchenko, Putin, Mozgovoi, Strelkov all want the same thing. The issue is how to get there. Putin wants regime change in Kiev. So does Mozgovoi. Putin believes that talking with Kuchma is part of a greater strategy. Mozgovoi disagrees. Some see the Agreement as a betrayal of Novorussia. I disagree. But since only time will show, I accept that the *might* be right. But I disagree with their analysis and I disagree with their maximalism. But unlike Dugin whom I consider to be a dangerous and toxic individual, I like Strelkov A LOT. As for Mozgovoi, he strikes me as a a guy who will make a great military commander and a terrible political leader.
I don’t want to impose my views on others, so this is why I decided to post these two statements even though I do not agree with them (especially Mozgovoi). I even almost posted a piece by Dugin about a treacherous 6th column, but they I decided against it not because I disagree, but because I think that he is full of it.
But yeah, I like real pluralism with different views made available for each person to decide which makes most sense.
Kind regards and good nite!
The Saker
The Saker wrote:
“As for Mozgovoi, he strikes me as a a guy who will make a great military commander and a terrible political leader.”
Dear Saker, can you please explain why you believe this to be so?
@the pug: Dear Saker, can you please explain why you believe this to be so?
Sure, I just listened to a long interview of him about all sorts of topics and he strikes me as a rather unsophisticated person. His views are basically “let’s shoot all the corrupt people and then we will live in honesty and happiness”. We already saw that in 1918 and we know how that ended. I know that his military skills are excellent, and I am sure that he is sincere and dedicated. But his views smack of rather primitive Fascism or Bolshevism (simple, forceful solutions, involving removing the “wrong” people, and everything will be solved). I much prefer the careful, step by step, evolutionary process to the rapid revolutionary one.
I wish him all the best, but I hope that he stays out of politics.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Saker,
With all due respect, I’m not ready to make up my mind bc I just don’t enough about where all the players are coming from!
I totally agree w/you re: Mozgovoy but as for Strelkov, I like the guy but that’s hardly a good-enough basis to take up his cause. And I read all these different things and — here’s the point: I don’t know enough about the people I hear them from to judge whether I should take them seriously or not.
And I’ll put it right out there: sometimes I agree w/Colonel Cassad, sometimes I like what he says, and Sometimes. Not. But I don’t feel like I know where he’s *really* coming from, so how can I judge the worth of what he says, other than just having a hunch or whether I like it or not? Sure, I can guess, but if I’m going to have an opinion on something, I like to be able to back it up with facts, whether I choose to use them or not.
I am like many others here a bit puzzled. Putin — as he has for many other commenters here — has earned a certain amount of trust with me in terms of continuing to pursue the objective of a de-Nazified, non-NATO Ukraine, with the long term goal of undermining the Empire’s dollar supremacy to make DC hesitate from further aggression in the future. Or at least most of Ukraine east of the Dnieper not joining NATO and not becoming a permanent basing location directed against Russia. And I agree with Saker that there is no substantial disagreement between Strelkov, Putin and Mozgovoy or for that matter Saker’s latest critic Vladimir Suchan that regime change in Kiev is absolutely necessary, the only disagreement is on the timing and who is going to be doing the regime changing.
It certainly will not be the tanks of the NAF despite Novorossiya’s astounding military victories, which some are trying to devalue by insisting it was all totally the work of the ‘military surplus store employees’. In reality the bulk of the killing of the trapped Ukie forces was done by NAF, the Russian ‘vacationers’ were there to provide the artillery and communications/logistics support. The infantry I see in nearly all videos except for one shot by Sky News and perhaps Graham Phillips footage of the (mostly Ukrainian with a few Russian) VDV paratroopers at Lugansk airport are Novorossiya not Russian regular infantry. But even with quasi-covert direct Russian support the NAF cannot drive onto Kiev. They cannot probably even take Kharkov, much less Kholomoisky’s city of Dnetropetrovsk. Taking Mariupol if we’re honest was always going to be a tall order with block by block fighting — heretofore the kind the Ukies avoided at all costs until their volunteer battalions streamed into Ilovaisk and got slaughtered. It may be if the NAF try to take Mariupol the deaths of 200-300 NAF to 1,200 Azov defenders will be trumpeted, while Ukie casualties and tactical ineptitude will be downplayed as always by the Western media and pro-Kiev propagandists (but I repeat myself).
I think it’s just too early to conclude that Novorossiya has been ‘sold out’. If the Ukies use the ceasefire to retake Gorlovka, once again seriously threaten Donetsk and completely repulse the NAF forces threatening Mariupol not only will I sense betrayal, but more correctly that the Ukies have received a major influx of competent mercs dressed up in their uniforms (by which I mean more than just the Polish and Baltic state PMCs who’ve already been fighting alongside them — read Canadian or American troops in Ukie uniform). Hopefully there won’t be additional false flags, Tuesday’s NATO/Ukie MH17 whitewash will be full of logical holes, and the NAF will hold their ground during the ‘ceasefire’ ‘lull’ before the next round begins in earnest. The military surplus store is undoubtedly using the green light of lethal weaponry the Ukies boasted of receiving from NATO (Poland) and non NATO countries (Sweden) to arm NAF with Koronet ATGMs to blunt the Ukie armored attack everyone knows is coming and encrypted radios for calling in air support ‘from the NAF’s lone’ Su-25 or better yet where the Ukie armor is massed an Iskander coming in at Mach 3 1/2 with pinpoint precision.
Nora,
As I said before, it’s pretty simple: those who know don’t talk. Those who talk don’t know. There is far more going on than the movie that we, the armchair generals, are watching.
Kulak,
Perhaps we can take Putin at his word on the SE of Ukraine.
There may be a nasty civil war going on in Moscow. If Putin has, for the sake of the argument, 20% of the power, he would still need the buy-in of various oligarchs to do anything dramatic. So maybe a lot of what is going on is just the understandable desire to not burn bridges. So Novorossiya is not helped enough to win, due to the likely economic destruction of Russian oligarchs, yet the rebels do get enough to stay alive. Perhaps waiting for Winter or an economic collapse from Kiev.
Стрелков собрался бороться с цветными революциями в России (Shooters are going to fight with the colored revolutions in Russia)
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2014/09/08/vnutrennyaya-politika-v-rossii/748234-strelkov-sobralsya-borotsya-s-tsvetnymi-re (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.km.ru/v-rossii/2014/09/08/vnutrennyaya-politika-v-rossii/748234-strelkov-sobralsya-borotsya-s-tsvetnymi-re
” The ex-Minister of defence DND Igor Strelkov said that he had decided to focus on countering the emergence of ” color revolutions ” in Russia, reports “Ukrainu”.
“I think Maidana and chaos can spread across borders of Russia from the burning of the civil war in Ukraine,” said the former head of the army of the people’s Republic.
To this end Shooters is going to combine the left and right forces. Soon he will hold a press conference, where they will talk about their future activities.
Igor Strelkov (Gerkin) is FSB Colonel, retired. A native of Moscow in the winter of 2014 arrived in the Crimea, where he organized a militia to counter Kiev. In the spring he went to lead the rebels in Donetsk region. According to Strelkova, after the resignation of all its decisions he had made herself.
14 August Girkin resigned as defense Minister DND and went to a one-month vacation. It was assumed that the captain will perform new tasks on the territory of the new Russia”.
вот так
To the Saker:
Let us all remember that before the war, before Maidan; Ukraine was a Russian tolerated/empowered nest of oligarch-al/Mafioso vipers that had bled the state and the people for 20 years.
Now it is also true that all these vipers were also western empowered/tolerated. However, in the minds of most Ukrainians, the abuse is the legacy of Russia, not the West. Much of what they naïvely thought they would get from the EU/west was just that freedom from abuse.
In light of this let us look at the cease-fire.
As Strelkov and many others point out, the discussions are empowering/tolerating the same old scum. This is a betrayal of vision that Mozgovoi and friends legitimately rant over.
If Russia/Putin ever hope to change their reputation – they will need to back those who work towards a clean sweep of the local economic and political structures. Yet if Putin/Russia does back ongoing military action and the building of a Novorussian entity (which will not ever get to Kiev) they re-build the image of the Russian bear waiting to devour Europe. This is the dilemma – the empire has framed it well and to this point Putin has not extricated himself.
This dilemma has enabled Nato to forward position troops, build bases, re-task radars toward Russian airspace, end Nato-Russian cooperation, endlessly critique Russian troop movements in Russia – all while Putin has been mired in Ukraine with the Novorussians
And let us not underestimate the long term impact of sanctions. Arctic development (the only thing to keep Russian oil production from declining) may well come to a halt for several years while Russia develops alternatives.
Sanctions are applied with every action of the Novorussian military, but will not come off until Crimea and a dozen other events are settled in favor of the West (just look at Iran or Cuba, both faced renewed/extended sanctions again this month) Iran could give up its’ nuclear program and its missile development and it still would not be allowed out from under the sanctions – they would be suspended (to be re-applied at the whim of the empire) but not abrogated.
Russia faces the same process. These sanctions, once implemented, will not come off until there is unconditional surrender. This is a real watershed moment in current history. The EU sanctions cannot be abrogated unless there is unanimity. Will the Anglo-Zionists ever not control a half dozen of the EU countries?
Both Putin and the EU treat these sanctions as if they are temporary. Mark my word, they are not. Going forward all Russian technology (economic and military) will be home grown or Asian. All gas sales will be Asian.
So what does Putin gain by dragging out the process? If there is nothing gained, he should push for a resolution that sees a Russia-Novorussia partnership with maximum leverage (economic & geographical) on Europe and get the sanctioning process over with by enabling Novorussia to do its’ job and do it quickly.
The only eventual hope for Russian re-rehabilitation is a war (economic or military) in which the West sees itself loosing against China. But Western doctrine specifically eliminates this as they plan to not face China until Russia has been destroyed. This is not a secret. So if this much is public, what else is secret?
Believe me when I say I wish the rosy predictions would magically materialize. But IMHO this is the beginning of a very long process and the only “victories” along the way will be messy, very messy at best.
Ok,i admit I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer,but what was Strelkov talking about?
This was like reading James Joyce as a teenager.I could understand the words,but the meaning was totally hidden from my eyes.
Saker,you said,”But since only time will show, I accept that the *might* be right.”What does THAT mean?Are you talking about might=possible,or might=power?
It must be that blood moon.
XbNB
Saker, please remind us what happened in the Balkans.
As I recall this was the high water mark of your military analysis career, yes? So you probably have a pretty good idea about what happened then and your training tells you that the past is a very useful template for the future, yes?
For a while I have been saying that the future of the rebellion is as part of a unitary state called Ukraine. I have even suggested that the current leadership of Ukraine is in a good position to capture the political leadership of the entire Ukraine.
The reason I think these are, in the first case, likely and in the second case very feasible is that the major stakeholders do not want anything different.
In this regard, what is different in Ukraine now and in the Balkans a generation ago?
Put into simple terms, all the jawing about Novorossiya and its supposed military success is dependent upon a steady supply of manpower, materiel, planning and intelligence from across the border.
At the point where the rebels get too big for their boots the rebellion will fail because the support for it will wither on the vine. That is why the current rebel leadership agreed to the ceasefire agreement with all its flaws – these are not stupid men and they have been taken high upon the mount and shown the Promised Land ahead of them.
I’d urge you to use your trained skills to consider the realities of the situation rather than some kind of group fantasy.
Here’s a thing or two:
1) We know that Russia does not want to ‘own’ Ukraine and the Russian leadership has been consistent on this point from day one.
2) We know that Russia does not want to ‘own’ Novorossiya and the Russian leadership has been consistent on this point from day one.
3) We know that without support in one form or another the rebellion will end in a matter of days.
4) We know that at the last count, most of the people living in Novorossiya did not want to separate from Ukraine – that may have changed a tad but I am sure that the Russian leadership has a handle on the state of paly here – after all, it is almost certainly the reason they demurred in respect of taking over Novorossiya months ago.
5) We know that Ukraine is not going to join NATO at any time soon, for a start, unless Ukraine sorts out its territorial issues then Ukraine will not be joining – and yes NATO could change its rules but they won’t.
The bottom line is this: The foreign policy goals of Russia, the paymaster for the Novorossiyan adventure end with a unified state of Ukraine that pays its bills, is associated with the EU if it chooses but is NOT a part of NATO. All that is attainable right now.
Where’s the win for Russia in supporting the fantasy of an independent Novorossiya?
Are you and other cheerleaders entirely sure that your cheerleading is for the right team or outcome?
If you are sure about the team and desired outcome tell me this: How do you suggest that Novorossiya manages its affairs the day after Russia withdraws its, currently limited, support for the rebellion.
Before anyone here, or you yourself, label me a troll or some such silly epithet look at the situation as it exists on the ground and ask yourself whether a defeated rebellion with all that entails is better than a unified and stable state of Ukraine with the top leadership positions taken by those currently leading the rebellion in the east and south of Ukraine.
Tell me, which outcome, of the only two viable outcomes, do you prefer? Genocide or leadership?
Let me reiterate – from the current confusion both Novorosiya and Putin’s Russia will come out stronger. Some strategic moves are being prepared behind the scenes to counter the moves of NATO, which were also devised in secret – think of false flags like Gladio, Breivik, Madrid, London, Bali, Burgas, Toulouse, Woolwich. Possibly dirty nuclear bomb attack to be blamed on IS/IL/AQ and Russia/NR, used also to prevent separation of Scotland. The MH17 initial report will most probably be a propaganda weapon in the coming attack.
Nuclear plants in Ukraine guarded by thuggish Bandera-squads with not compatible fuel rods from Westinghouse and some shady operations going on there are ticking bombs. Some old Ukrainian warheads were already transferred to ISIS.
Neocons/Bilderbergers are increasing pressure on Obama to bomb Syria to “prevent” non-existing CW “to be captured by ISIS”. Harbingers of coming islamist attacks on EU/US can be heard from the usual mouthpieces – “leaders” and presstitutes.
Neutralizing of these threats requires secrecy and attention to be diverted onto something else.
So far I am very happy to see the number of civilian casualties to go down dramatically thanks to the Pornoshamco-NR peace agreement. Also his recognition of NR as the partner in political negotiations is crucial for further development of that entity into full-fledged state.
Long live Novorossiya, her sovereign and brave people and defenders!
Also look out for the Ebola scam – the hype is as always a “cover” for some “operation”. I think that recent WHO dramatically overblown claims about future exponential growth of infections are in contradiction with the known models of spreading of the disease. such growth can only be achieved with artificial means, i.e. agents of the clandestine services of NATO/Israel/… Will it be only for profits, or for more sinister agenda – remains to be seen.
Great! Has given me the day. I love this man. A good leader for Novorossiya. Thank you, sir.
Now, I´m going to travel much more relaxed, seeing Strelkov is there, stand up.
Just one thing. I see that the Russians are very fond of puns, we Spaniards too, but to clarify a little we, who are not Russians (still, I think I’m getting Russian at times):
This element, Surkov who is this? It is 5th or 6th column? What does intend?
Someone to tell us something by God!
What is the difference, for Russians between 5th and 6th column?
Please.
On the Web, there is only reference to “sixth column” as a very interesting program of the Spanish network La Sexta….
Dear Saker,
One day, it would be interesting to see an article from your hand about the fractions and olicharchs in and near the Kremlin.
For me, and probably many other readers this a very opaque matter, my initial reaction is: let´s guillotine most of them, but then, this reaction is inspired more by ignorance than anything else.
And of course the question: why is mr Putin the vermin around?
Similar questions can be asked about Novorossia…
The Rift
So I just heard that the deamons from Kiev sent two mothers their sons heads in boxes today, this is what Peace Porky is all about ! Its time to exorcise Putsch Porkies demons as well as NATO from Ukraine. On the private armies they must take NO PRISONERS !!
Fuck their fake peace plan, it’s as fake as Porkies presidency, and Russia has proved it is only interested in keeping the gas flowing. Time to take Mariupol and kill all those foreign battalions inside it. Then go take Rats, Porkies , Kolomoisky and Tymoshenko’s heads
Les,
re: the Ukrainian view of their oligarchical torture coming from Russia
The problem is that it is true. Russia is full of rotten oligarchs, and they have been comfortable with the rotten oligarchs in the Ukraine. The West has a smoother way of operating, so you can’t even see the mob bosses for what they are. On the other hand, they are now a protectorate of the US and EU. If they have no gas and electricity in the Winter, and the Donbass does, well …
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In your sanctions scenario, Russia would work hard to break up the EU. Actually, the turmoil from the gas going off in Europe would be so great that we can only make wild guesses as to what would happen. For one thing, many revolutions could easily occur.
“By the end of September a second book of my fairy tales should come out, which was launched into publication already before departing into Crimea.”
Respectfully, Strelok
Fantastic!
(“If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales.”
Albert Einstein —)
Interesting interview with Professor of University of the Basque Country Asier Blas, a pity that is only available in Spanish.
Very important what it says on the European left regarding the conflict:
“Much of the European left is complexed and afraid of being stigmatized.” More or less: “They try to gain acceptance by the Western powers to being accepted in the political game and to this end, criticize a little the foreign policies of the USA and the EU, but are very critical to the performance of other less significant powers to them, as Russia. “
http://euskalherriadonbas.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/asier-blas-profesor-upv-gran-parte-de-la-izquierda-europea-esta-acomplejada-y-tiene-miedo-de-ser-estigmatizada/
To this, dismantle the left as a critical element against injustice and the abuse of human rights that characterized her in the past, also contributes some who, when someone from the left ruling on events in the Donbass, making a real and plausible reading one, immediately branded him a “Bolshevik or Stalinist”. Those who do this well know what card they are playing.
AK, Dacian,
Yes. All we’ve got is the tippety-top of the iceberg. I know what I want to see happen — though it’s pretty silly to let that blind my analysis — and we’ve all got a pretty good idea of what the Empire wants and will do to get it. But it’s hard to filter sources (Colonel Cassad, for example) if you’re really not sure where exactly they’re coming from. How do you weight what they say if you haven’t a clue why they’re saying it? And I still haven’t got a friggin’ clue.
And I agree, AK, that NR won’t be won by a military victory alone — it can only be won/this whole mess can only end when the Empire gives up, a la (thank you C on the last thread) North Korea (hopefully not!) or Viet Nam (if in fact we’re capable of actually learning anything, however slowly) or, uh, the failed-state option we’re apparently now doing everywhere else. Les had a darned good comment on that thread too, well worth checking out if anyone hasn’t. But Scotland, and ISIS, and that stuff I *hope and pray* you’re writing up about Qatar, AK, could majorly affect what the Empire ends up doing. If they don’t, if the Empire can manage to somehow finesse all the external factors, it almost doesn’t matter who does what, militarily-speaking, in Novorossiya: this could be a very long haul indeed, and increasingly ugly.
les,
Once again you’re bringing up some very good points. I think we’re so accustomed to seeing Putin as a grand master in chess and judo that we forget he’s also very much a product of the Russian suffering — not “just” victory — in WWII. He grew up on those stories; they’re a part of him. I’m still very deeply struck by his tears at the national anthem the other day and have been trying to figure out what was involved there. My best guess now is that a big chunk of it was for all the innocents bc this guy knows what it is, doesn’t like it *one single bit*, and Really. Doesn’t. Want. War. Our side, otoh, literally couldn’t care less. That alone makes things asymmetric as hell. I’d call him determined, courageous and caring, and us just plain Evil, but in the grand scheme of things, so what. I kind of see us like one of those WWII planes whose pilots were shot and just keep flying until the fuel runs out, or (let’s be even more grim here) one of those Ships of Death carrying bubonic plague from port to port, where all the corpses just rot away but the rats jump ship and scamper happily ashore…
Otoh, Mr. Nora set down his coffee cup this morning with a rather loud bang and stated to all the birds and critters outside, “No More Oligarchs, Anywhere, Ever!” To which I responded they won’t last real long in Novorossiya if ever freedom is gained, then just started humming, “Scotland the Brave”… ;~)
AK, Dacian,
Yes. All we’ve got is the tippety-top of the iceberg. I know what I want to see happen — though it’s pretty silly to let that blind my analysis — and we’ve all got a pretty good idea of what the Empire wants and will do to get it. But it’s hard to filter sources (Colonel Cassad, for example) if you’re really not sure where exactly they’re coming from. How do you weight what they say if you haven’t a clue why they’re saying it? And I still haven’t got a friggin’ clue.
And I agree, AK, that NR won’t be won by a military victory alone — it can only be won/this whole mess can only end when the Empire gives up, a la (thank you C on the last thread) North Korea (hopefully not!) or Viet Nam (if in fact we’re capable of actually learning anything, however slowly) or, uh, the failed-state option we’re apparently now doing everywhere else. Les had a darned good comment on that thread too, well worth checking out if anyone hasn’t. But Scotland, and ISIS, and that stuff I *hope and pray* you’re writing up about Qatar, AK, could majorly affect what the Empire ends up doing. If they don’t, if the Empire can manage to somehow finesse all the external factors, it almost doesn’t matter who does what, militarily-speaking, in Novorossiya: this could be a very long haul indeed, and increasingly ugly.
les,
Once again you’re bringing up some very good points. I think we’re so accustomed to seeing Putin as a grand master in chess and judo that we forget he’s also very much a product of the Russian suffering — not “just” victory — in WWII. He grew up on those stories; they’re a part of him. I’m still very deeply struck by his tears at the national anthem the other day and have been trying to figure out what was involved there. My best guess now is that a big chunk of it was for all the innocents bc this guy knows what it is, doesn’t like it *one single bit*, and Really. Doesn’t. Want. War. Our side, otoh, literally couldn’t care less. That alone makes things asymmetric as hell. I’d call him determined, courageous and caring, and us just plain Evil, but in the grand scheme of things, so what. I kind of see us like one of those WWII planes whose pilots were shot and just keep flying until the fuel runs out, or (let’s be even more grim here) one of those Ships of Death carrying bubonic plague from port to port, where all the corpses just rot away but the rats jump ship and scamper happily ashore…
Otoh, Mr. Nora set down his coffee cup this morning with a rather loud bang and stated to all the birds and critters outside, “No More Oligarchs, Anywhere, Ever!” To which I responded they won’t last real long in Novorossiya if ever freedom is gained, then just started humming, “Scotland the Brave”… ;~)
les said…
Sanctions are applied with every action of the Novorussian military, but will not come off until Crimea and a dozen other events are settled in favor of the West (just look at Iran or Cuba, both faced renewed/extended sanctions again this month) Iran could give up its’ nuclear program and its missile development and it still would not be allowed out from under the sanctions – they would be suspended (to be re-applied at the whim of the empire) but not abrogated.
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Both Putin and the EU treat these sanctions as if they are temporary. Mark my word, they are not. Going forward all Russian technology (economic and military) will be home grown or Asian. All gas sales will be Asian.
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Well I have said most of the same things many many times. I believe the same.. But Russians seem to think asians are out to gain something by destroying Russia. Also Russians seem to have a softspot for Germans. Kind of like being in an abusive relationship. Many Russians also want to be European, heck even the Siberian troops who attacked Germany stole the sinks to take back home because it was magic.. So I can understand wanting running water and stuff..
This is the same thing the native Americans went through. They thought if they dressed and talked like Americans they would be accepted.. Instead they found out in the end that they lost most of their lands, countrymen and pride.. near the end when they had given up and were praying for peace to live in harmony, the US army attacked them and killed most of them. They believed until the very end they could co-exist in peace.. Even after a few centuries of being massacred and being caged in reservations.
Obviously Putin is trying very hard to not get a hard landing in which case none of us will be spared.. But EU depends on the US and the banking families control the US. If they say no money even the French will follow. No country will oppose the US because they all know what their financial position is like and if the US drops you, you are pretty much dead. BUT Putin needs to be much more aggressive. Not direct confrontation but like charging a lot more for fly overs or not allowing them at all so others can gain a business advantage. Because the EU has no choice but to follow. But make it costly so it will be slow and it will allow friends to gain an upper hand. Maybe after the pain gets a tad high they might decide enough is enough. But it has to be pretty high since most all western countries have now passed laws where the banks own your deposit and can take it. So its the people who will suffer in the end here as well.
Nora,
What is it that you need to know about someone like Colonel Cassad? Some folks are Whites, and some are Reds. He is a Red from Crimea, and is quite involved in helping the rebels with supplies. Putin tries to unite the two historical groups symbolically, but letting the oligarchs keep their money and influence. Of course, it isn’t a dictatorship, so it isn’t like he can take their money for no reason.
So Cassad is going to criticize Putin for being a frontman for oligarchs, and those oligarchs care very little for national interests and very much for their businesses and assets. Some, perhaps Saker included, argue that Putin got the oligarchs under control, but that is when compared to the Ukraine, where oligarchs enforce “the law” with their private armies.
Saker@ 4:03
I was pleasantly suprised by your printing Mozgovoi’s statement, it reaffirmed much of what I stated a few months after this conflict began. Your rejection of his vision of the future for the Peoples Republics is also telling and exposes an Authoritarian, Paternalistic tendencies shared by the Liberal Technocrat Class. You seem to be implying that people are not able to rule themselves and require an incrementalist technocrat class to lead them by the nose. Socialism doesn’t have to rely on the old Soviet model, there is 21st Century Socalism which is making gains against the Oligarchs of World Capitalism.
Strelkov’s statement was criptic but it seemed to show his and other’s disgust at the Russian takeover of the Novorussia Movement. The NRF may not have been able to march on Kiev but their growing offensive could have speeded the downfall of the Kiev Coup Regime. That opportunity seems to have been blunted by Moscow’s declairing of a ceasefire.
@Alien Tech This is the same thing the native Americans went through. They thought if they dressed and talked like Americans they would be accepted.. Instead they found out in the end that they lost most of their lands, countrymen and pride.. near the end when they had given up and were praying for peace to live in harmony, the US army attacked them and killed most of them. They believed until the very end they could co-exist in peace.. Even after a few centuries of being massacred and being caged in reservations.
Even to this day there is one group on the bottom of all lists in the US and it is the Native Americans. Even the often scorned blacks do better…. http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/5-ways-the-government-keeps-native-americans-in-poverty/
@ Saker,
Are you sure this text has really been written by Colonel Strelkov himself, not by someone knowing both Novorossia and its commanders, and Strelkov himself?
I am very surprised, not by Strelkov’s personal disagreement on the ways chosen by President Putin, but by his not seeming to confide in Russian President.
Kinda bad translation.
“Fairy tales”;)
Strelkov did say he was writing a fiction novel, he said he was writing a memoir or something.
But anyway, the essence is that Strelkov is not happy about the 6th coloumnists. (Strulkov-Kyrginan etc).
Alien Tech, US sanctions are intended to cause regime change, not compliance, and to kill and injure the innocent in target countries. The latter is designed both to pressure the target Government, and to offer up sacrifices of innocents to the savage God of the Old Testament, who demands constant blood sacrifices throughout history. The first colonists in America, as they set about the work of exterminating the natives, explicitly quoted the Old Testament/ Torah stories of the religiously sanctified genocides by the Israelites in Canaan as their justification, and, following the instructions therein, targeted women and children for murder, a policy that continues to today. That flower of Western womanhood, Madeleine Albright made it inconveniently plain when she admitted, no doubt accidentally, that the genocide of 500,000 Iraqi children under five in the US/UK imposed sanctions regime was a price that was ‘worth it’.
Alien Tech, US sanctions are intended to cause regime change, not compliance, and to kill and injure the innocent in target countries. The latter is designed both to pressure the target Government, and to offer up sacrifices of innocents to the savage God of the Old Testament, who demands constant blood sacrifices throughout history. The first colonists in America, as they set about the work of exterminating the natives, explicitly quoted the Old Testament/ Torah stories of the religiously sanctified genocides by the Israelites in Canaan as their justification, and, following the instructions therein, targeted women and children for murder, a policy that continues to today. That flower of Western womanhood, Madeleine Albright made it inconveniently plain when she admitted, no doubt accidentally, that the genocide of 500,000 Iraqi children under five in the US/UK imposed sanctions regime was a price that was ‘worth it’.