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How the Soviets Landed on Venus

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  1. Uncle Bob on July 08, 2021  ·  at 6:59 am EST/EDT

    Very interesting,the Soviets were leaders in space exploration.And remember they also were sanctioned by the West.Meaning almost all of their astounding technology was developed inside the USSR.If only modern Russia would have kept those advances and built on them. She would not have become so dependent on Western technology.And it wouldn’t be so hard today to overcome the Western sanctions.

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    • Larchmonter445 on July 08, 2021  ·  at 1:05 pm EST/EDT

      There was 30 years of corruption and bureaucratic incompetence, plus, liberal traitors working to destroy the Russian economy and society, and then, criminals and oligarchs to fight while a war in Chechnya raged.

      Putin has worked for 20 years to save what he could, rebuild what he can and now control the future with as much domestic revival as he can stimulate.

      The Russian Federation was on life support when Putin took charge.

      If you think China was the only miracle we have seen in the past 20 years, look again very closely.

      China was left alone to develop.
      Russia has faced the US and NATO actively mounting existential threats in continuous hybrid war, color revolutions and nazis and jihadis paid for to wage war and terror against the RF.

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      • Anonymous on July 09, 2021  ·  at 2:41 am EST/EDT

        Pardon me for asking, but if Russia is such a miracle, why are Russians clamoring to leave? We are getting a bit sick of Russian immigrants in Finland. Many young Russians in Finland are criminals and drug dealers, and they are openly anti-Finnish and Russian-supremacist minded.

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        • Tegularius on July 09, 2021  ·  at 6:23 am EST/EDT

          Maybe you just answered your own question. Why are criminals and drug dealers moving from Russia to Finland? Yes, why? Maybe they cannot “work” so easily in Russia nowadays? So they choose Finland instead.
          And if not so many law-abiding Russians come to Finland it is maybe because they like it better in Russia than in Finland…

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    • Vuki on July 11, 2021  ·  at 1:03 am EST/EDT

      For the last 15 years, USA has dependent on Russian rocket engines for all their rockets that they send into space, so I am not sure what you are talking about. They have sanctioned everything except the engines and the space vehicles. Where have you been since the US shuttle went down n flames?

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  2. Cascadian on July 08, 2021  ·  at 9:15 am EST/EDT

    This makes my second talk on the Venus landers – the first was at a Russian summer school in Cambridge. Awesome engineering.

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  3. Bostonian on July 08, 2021  ·  at 10:11 am EST/EDT

    Star Trek: Space…the final frontier….these r the voyages of the ….

    True story,

    On my first day of IT class I decided to get brave and ask an “easy to be made into a punch ” question, (I figured I gotta waste my time / energy by being in this class I do not want to be in, so might as well make it worth while– (heck who knows maybe I might include it in a post I don’t know well ever even have existed way back then-)

    The professor went to a “Big wig” brand name University, by brand name, I figured he would not want to answer my question, since it would be easier to keep his reputation then risk any damage on a no-name student “me” on the first day of class, so I had to ask it in a way that made me sound half-witted, (because I already knew the answer but assumed if I sounded like I did- he would be offended-and answer the question in such a way that was suspect-which would in essence be like wasting my time twice 2X effort- since now I gott)’a spend the next days/weeks/months know’n this guy probably does not like me.)

    After raising my hand and waiting to get chosen among “sea” of other hands…

    Me: (Essentially) “What is the mechanism where by computers (IT) work off of…I know there is hardware, and computer languages, and that runs off of binary language, which are essentially on/off switches based on the speed of electricity, but I am not really sure…I get how it runs/works (I was playing dumb here)

    Big Wig University Professor:
    In a very relaxed/casual and comfortable tone-(maybe he could sense I knew what the real answer was – and figured he better just tell it like it really is-&just get it out of the way move on quickly-think’n no one ever asked this question again)

    “Well…that is a very good question…and to be honest…we do not really know how computers work,”

    That’s it.

    He just went on and taught the rest of the class…and life just went on… and I never wanted to think about this question and its application to all of technology/ implications/ space, final frontiers n’ stuff…

    ..until I learned a bit more about the origins of technology.. to realize… my question, on a hunch, was very significant, and very meaningful.

    Where we were, are, and are going…. (I think it is important to have answers)

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  4. Ultrafart the Brave on July 08, 2021  ·  at 11:59 am EST/EDT

    Two possible solutions to creating a survivable surface rover for Venus –

    1. A compact power source capable of continuously running an active cooling system with sufficient capacity to keep the internal temperature sufficiently below ambient to permit the internal systems to survive indefinitely. Materials utilised at the ambient interface would be critical to the viability of such a scheme – heat exchangers would face temperatures substantially above the already challenging ambients, and both the heat exchangers and the encapsulating materials would have to be completely impervious to the external and thermal and chemical environment.

    2. Develop robust mechanical, information and power technologies which operate natively at the ambient conditions found on Venus’ surface. No cooling or corrosive protection required.

    The second option might take a bit longer…

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  5. Von on July 08, 2021  ·  at 10:48 pm EST/EDT

    Wonder if this is true. I love Russia unconditional and seldomly, I hear things like this, my question is how did they passed through the van hallen belt ?
    My understanding is we live in this world with a impenetrable dome therefore no man has ever gone to the moon.
    The funny thing is the Americans say they went to the moon (using Russian engines of course) but there isn’t any evidence of it whatsoever?

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    • Ted 99 on July 09, 2021  ·  at 1:31 am EST/EDT

      “how did they passed through the van hallen belt”

      As quickly as possible, and avoiding the regions of highest intensity. Scott Manley has a pretty good explanation: “How Deadly Are The Van Allen Radiation Belts?”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YN50xXFJY

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      • David Lee Roth on August 02, 2021  ·  at 6:27 am EST/EDT

        “how did they passed through the van hallen belt”

        You just jump them.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_(Van_Halen_song)

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    • eci peci pec on July 09, 2021  ·  at 1:43 pm EST/EDT

      the geostationary satellites normally reside within the outer van allen belt. the same applies to the GPS satellites (and their chinese and russian equivalent).
      van allen belts are deadly for living creatures and can also damage electronics.
      however, the satellites residing inside the van allen belt certainly use special protection and the discrete electronic components of the 1960s-70s were more robust than today’s integrated circuits.

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  6. Steve on July 09, 2021  ·  at 1:03 am EST/EDT

    It feels like my blood pressure goes up a notch every time someone feels the need to convert from metric to imperial. Especially in circumstances where anyone interested in space technology would be familiar with metric.

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    • joey_n on July 09, 2021  ·  at 3:43 pm EST/EDT

      I guess it’s because a large portion of the English-speaking target audiences live in countries where Imperial/customary units are still used – namely the USA, UK and Canada (may or may not include Quebec). Australia, South Africa and New Zealand are relatively more metricated (correct me if I’m wrong), but have a smaller combined population than the first three, and even then the influence they hold may not be as powerful. Dunno about Ireland.

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      • Johny Conspiranoid on July 10, 2021  ·  at 10:43 am EST/EDT

        All UK science and engineering has been done in metric for years, as is the woodwork and plumbing. Food shoping is dual units.

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  7. Norwegian on July 09, 2021  ·  at 2:36 pm EST/EDT

    The claim of “runaway greenhouse effect” on Venus is wrong, the high temperatures on Venus are due to the immense weight of the atmosphere and little or no vertical circulation, creating the pressures that crushed the soviet Venera probes. If the atmosphere had consisted of some other gas, but with the same weight, the temperatures had been similar.

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    • Wayne on August 03, 2021  ·  at 11:49 am EST/EDT

      Venus would be much hotter than earth even if it had the same atmosphere as earth. Being 38% closer to the sun, the sunlight is almost twice (1.93 times) as intense as on earth.

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  8. Arshan on August 09, 2021  ·  at 6:38 am EST/EDT

    News to me! It might be a bit late but congratulations to the Aerospace Engineers and Managers of the former Soviet Union….

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