Source: http://portal-kultura.ru/articles/obozrevatel/91400-skolko-armiy-nado-evrope/
by Rostislav Ishchenko, president of the Center of System Analysis and Forecasting
Translated by Aleksey
Against the backdrop of a decision by the IMF to loan Ukraine 17.5 billion over a span of four years’ time (it is still a trick to receive these funds – the previous bailout, agreed in 2014, has not been fully received) the talk of a creation of a European armed forces has been lost from conversation.
This is in vain, the overriding theme being that perhaps we are on the threshold of a new military configuration capable of, in the future, changing the geopolitical map of the Old World.
The first such attempt was undertaken in 1948 with the establishment of the Western European Union (WEU). However, a year later after the formation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the WEU became a purely formal bureaucratic structure – a structure for slackers, successfully eradicated only in 2011. During that time, the existence of the WEU was known only by specialists.
However, that does not mean that the idea of a European army was buried. For some time the consideration of the possibility of creating a single structure similar to that of the British Army of the Rhine, which was pushed into oblivion in the mid-90s. From 1989 to 1999 there was also a Franco-German Brigade, which was scheduled to deploy and replace the latter to create armed forces in Europe.
All these attempts failed and came to nothing because “the single European army” in fact already existed – it is, in fact, a union of the armed forces of NATO. This same army has covered Europe from the only potential enemy, whom she really feared (USSR and then Russia), and was fully equipped by the US armed forces. Since the beginning of the 80s, even the most powerful national European armies were suitable only for colonial operations. The maximum that the strongest European military power, the UK, could afford was a local war with Argentina, and then only fighting via the sea and operating on a 200-mile radius of the coast of Britain. The British forces were not up to the task of a full scale conflict, and even in a war in which it had an advantage in numbers and in military technology, the UK managed to lose.
By the mid-90s the armies of European countries were members of NATO and built their military doctrines around the principle of specialization, focusing on solving one particular task. Moreover, all these armies were indeed added as ligaments and extras to the skeleton of American armed forces unit in Europe, and the soon following expeditionary military ventures. As a result of this approach, the European states managed to save a lot of money on the armed forces, but the armies ceased to be single operating organisms.
It must be said, that this suited the Europeans. Their military doctrine did not include combat operations against other members of NATO. On the border countries which were also in turn buffer states, they were defended by the US armed forces from Russia. The other countries within arm’s reach were inferior in military-technical terms, states with whom a war would look something like an expedition of Lord Kitchener, whose machine guns shot down an army of a hundred thousand brave Mahdis (army of Abdullah al-Taashi of Sudan) at Omdurman during the battle of September 2, 1898. And thus, Europe felt secure, and never spent much money on this protection, and has always been able to demonstrate to the Americans their “participation in the common effort.”
But why should Europe need a full private army now? It seems to me it is because the contradictions between the EU and the United States during the Ukrainian crisis had gone too far. The first pill to swallow was the initiative of Hollande and Merkel heading to negotiate with Putin in Moscow, and then following that up by persuading Poroshenko to pursue peace in Minsk – this all contrary to the clearly stated position of Washington. Then the same Merkel blocked US arms supplies to Ukraine, speaking publicly against the American line. The European press, (at least the part of it that is not controlled by the US) has seen a month since its position has changed in light of this same schism regarding the Ukrainian conflict. Europe now saw the Nazis in the Ukrainian pro-government armed groups, endemic corruption in Kiev authorities, and German intelligence suddenly “dropped” to the media the information of a 50,000 casualty toll in the fighting in the Donbass (UN recognized no more than six thousand).
There are many such examples in the past, and they are all distinct. And now there is a new one, “European army”. Of course, it is only food for thought. But six months ago, nothing like this would have been expressed. On the contrary, there were calls to strengthen transatlantic solidarity. And the idea of a European army undermines this solidarity, as armed forces in Europe could only be created instead of NATO. This means that the players would all remain the same, but would exclude the USA.
Now Europe is in a crisis, which occurred in part due to the blind following of US policy. There is no money for the army, yet it is necessary to survive. In fact, the battle-worthy European army that would replace the joint armed forces of NATO, is only possible if the place of the US in this scheme (albeit unofficially), was taken by Russia. Nothing changes, except that Europe will not be defended by America from Russia, and by Russia from America. Political developments in the world show that protection from Washington to ensure the survival of the EU is more relevant.
It is definitely not a fact that a European army will be created. But “a” has already been stated (the military-political expediency of the US presence in Europe has been questioned). Events are now moving faster and faster, looking and waiting, one can only assume the arrival of “b.”
Since Andrew suggested that I should comment also on male authors’ pictures, I would like to say that this particular photo of Mr. Ishchenko to me it seems to say:
“Look at you! What the hell is wrong with you, people ?”
” a 50,000 casualty toll in the fighting in the Donbass”
Every article ought to have this statement in it – preferably in the first sentence. Every article, Every blog post, every comment.
In other words – you may not believe a word I say about Russia/Kiev, and you certainly don’t believe the 50,000 number now, but when it becomes the number everyone is talking about perhaps you will doubt every thing you have heard of.
Perhaps a T-shirt “I am the 44 000”
On the back – “Grieve for me – but first bloody well count me”.
….
But why should Europe need a full private army now?
1. I reckon the idea of an EU army has been around for some time – and explains the angry rhetoric towards Putin by Nato. Nato seem to be taking it as a real threat (not even mentioning it is a clue) and reckon that their strongest point is a strong anti-Russia reputation (hence both sides trying to outdo each other in demonising Putin).
2. Nato has become a vehicle for minor countries to pay tribute to the US and the US to order European countries about. France and Germany have had enough.
@ Michael D,
I think it was Kat Kan who suggested last year to add a caption to a burned body [or other dead bodies] of the Kiev Killer Kommando einsatzgruppen hanging out off a APC asking, “Is this your son?”
I thought that solutions was [is] brilliant.
BTW – is the article saying that Britain lost the war with Argentina?
I don’t understand that.
Britain very nearly did lose, only rapid behind the scenes
help from the US prevented catastrophe.
Also look at ‘Atlantic Conveyor’ – hardly a picture of military
competence.
I don’t think there is any way that Argentina could be said to have very nearly won.
Behind the scenes., yes Britain was very dependent on US intelligence – but that had been agreed on very early on.
If Argentina had had a few more Exocets. And an Argentine victory would have been good, solely on the ‘lesser evil’ calculus. Thatcher was a monster, a figure of towering evil.
Meh. I think it was probably for the best on balance. The Argentinean dictatorship was pretty horrible, “disappearing” people left and right, killing and torturing under US military/CIA tutelage, creating a climate of fear.
The political/economic trajectory of Britain seems to me like it was fairly set by then. Even if bloody Thatcher’d lost the next election England would have been run by neoliberal quislings from there on.
But Argentina, now. The war dealt the military dictatorship a serious blow and it collapsed not so long after. With an interlude for “Washington Consensus” economics to muck the place up until everyone had had it up to here, Argentina is now a fairly strong centre-left part of the new Latin America, keeping US influence increasingly marginalized in the region. Who knows what might have happened if the generals had actually won that war?
Well obviously my brother who worked in the Falklands/Malvinas inter alia clearing Argentine minefields was deluded and deluded us all too back in Caledonia :(
Why does EU, or most nations, need a standing army at all, except for a ‘national guard’ sort of thing. Who is going attack Europe? There’s some terrorists and such, but which nation’s army is going to attack Europe. And which will attack the US? It is EU and Europe who go around attacking others, and standing military is used for aggression, not defense. The rest is paranoia and propaganda, and disputes can be settled by law and negotiation if people would get civilized and get rid of the psychopaths, war mongers, and predators. Has NJ attacked Delaware? Maine, New Hampshire? Would Texas attack Arizona? (Well, maybe Texas, but a minimal National Guard association, or ersatz defense force could handle that. Or UN organized mercenaries — which could do for the rest of the world too.)
Standing Armies is an invention of either empires or modern states and many nations have long managed without them. IN fact many cultures have managed without even a standing police force. The world has to rethink these current assumptions and attitudes.
What you say is true for many countries, Take China which had huge standing armies always fighting each other. Now there is only china and a Taiwan egged on by the US but there is no fighting inside china as such. Although we can say the many regions like Tibet are not at peace with the rest of China.
Same goes for India, Even with some violent riots only a few thousand people are killed but it is nothing like the problems created by the British dividing it into 3 countries which resulted in millions of deaths. All the standing armies are now divided into 3 armies and just one of those armies of the mogul empire had like 100,000 elephants. Enough to conquer Europe. Or even Russia which is also now a single army instead of the dozens.
I think this country thing is for looting the population by the ruling class. other wise how would you explain huge countries like EU, China, India, Russia all having dozens of religions and languages all getting along. It is possible as we see.. More Muslims in India than Pakistan yet, Pakistan says its the protector of Muslims. Muslims in India are far richer and well off, and many of those who are doing very well in the middle east are Indian Muslims, even if the middle east supports Pakistan. So religion is also used as an excuse and not because of it.
If we can get rid of these war mongers who are out for power and money using any means they can, we can use the trillions used for weapons for a great many other things like space exploration. We would already be living on the moon and mars.
Chinese has a huge standing army because morons like Japan, Russia, Britten, France, and etc invaded us, took big chunk of our land, kill our family, rape our women, burn our cities and village when we were weak. It will never happy again.
Before you ask why Europe need a huge standing army, ask yourself, will Russian grab Crimea if Ukraine were part of NATO.
Other questions you should ask your self are why Russian exercise its army all over the world, all the time? Why Russian needs to deploy its troops any where in the world in 7 hours? I understand everyone here are very much ideologist, think Russian can do not wrong, but to me, there is some very valid reasons why EU need a big standing army, why Russian is not perceived as friendly.
well, obviously now is not the time to disband.
The US has constantly been at war and attacking or interfering with other countries for many decades — it was even part of the force which invaded Russia right after the revolution a century ago. Russia is building up it’s military in response to the US/EU empire, of course. The idea of world-wide ‘permanent revolution’ grew directly from the attacks on the original communist political organizations being attacked by the capitalist empire — with the idea that they would not be allowed to live independently and in peace, and that’s been proven time and again.
In Ukraine it was the US which organized and brought abut the coup, for the express purpose of bringing down Russia the same way it takes down any country which can be a competitor, ether financially, militarily, and especially ideology where it might be a working example of how well socialism or non-capitalist societies can succeed.
Russia exercises around the world precisely because that’s where the US poses a threat with it’s hundreds of actual bases, or takes military action, which threatens Russia even with ordinary trading agreements and actions. Russia’s action are defensive, as were the Soviet Union’s policy of establishing a ‘buffer zone’ of the nations on it’s western borders, and having access warm water ports.
To attack someone and then use the defensive actions they take as an excuse for further attacks in not valid.
Sure, then understand why Europe want a big army, for same purpose.
Ideology not withstanding. Russian was at war with the wold for a lot time. Saker himself proudly posted Russian win 31.5 out of 34 wars last 300 years. Who’d have better record? who did they fight with? Too late to cry victim, and too late pick and choose what you like in the history. Yeah, there are reasons the world resort to strong armies, include Europe. It is waste of energy, but a whole lot better than caught with pants down, look at Ukraine.
Russia and the USSR have been attacked from outside numerous times, the worst in 1941 resulting in thirty million deaths. The USA was invaded last in 1812, and its civilian losses on its home territory in WW2 amounted to SIX unlucky individuals.
There is a Chinese expression, “walk too long in the night, one will meet ghost.” After centuries of terrorizing neighbors, Russia met the ghost in the form of USA. It serves well to remember: one should not do to others that he does not want other do to him.
I seems also do not read any where in Russian publications talk about what they did wrong to others in 20th century. Only I read is what others done wrong to it. Russia will be looking for peace for a very looooooong time.
USA was the invader in the War of 1812.
LOL. The year Napoleon invaded Russia, and US was fighting UK. A little internet search would have tell you that is not possible, or anything meaningful. If you meant to say that US was friendly with Napoleon, do you also mean Russia was in bed with UK?
yeah, armies should be disbanded when not needed.
When is it not needed? Look at Ukraine, lost territory, huge conflicts, a lot dead people, war lords every where, and a country in peril. Had they had a strong army, All of this would have not happen, or not easily. Remember, Ukraine was Russia’s brother, and Russia suppose to protect it. One can blame every thing on the west, but Russia did a good job with it by its own (a typical act of Russia if you read it history), and find it self right back to Soviet and Tsar times. One wonder why Merkel is not reasonable. No, she is perfect rational. No NATO, or a strong European army while Russian romp up its war machine? Europeans do not have death wish. Ukraine is perfect example.
It is Russian’s own making with it seems have no respect to any one except if one has a strong army. The small border countries are either their victims or client states. If you can not behave respectably, then why blaming people reacting to you!
So then you think Russia should stand by and allow NATO to surround her with military bases.And put an illegal junta regime in power in Ukraine that murders and oppresses Russian speakers there.OK I see where you stand.
So you think Europe would think any different?
I am fine with where I am stand, thank you very much. Every action has its consequences. I also assume it is fine where Russian, and its government stand. I am just point out the obvious that every one seems missing. Everyone going to get their big army, like it or not.
This is a very interesting topic, on which the last word has not been said.
I have always been anti NATO, started out as a pacifist, with anarchistic elements (refusal to follow any orders out of principle–I always feared the possibility to be sent to a country like Cuba or Venezuela, where I might have enjoyed the vacation love of my life 2 years before, in a village, with very nice and hospitable people, to get the orders to eradicate all of them).
In the Netherlands, NATO is almost universally seen as necessary, whether good or a necessary evil.
We have one US base (Volkel) with nuclear bombs, and we are supposed to pay for the F-35s which could carry them.
I am against NATO because it is a US occupying force. Many Dutch fall for the cold war fearmongering: ´Een Rus in mijn keuken!´ (a Russian in my kitchen) and some even believe Putin wants to conquer all of Europe to the Atlantic. An anti NATO stance is often framed as a naive ´broken rifle´ pacifist standpoint. Or one is a ´fellow traveller´/ traitor who ought to be ´ashamed´or even be reported! (viva freedom of speech….)
I think NATO would loose in Ukraine, and Russia would lose near half west of Poland. Nuclear: we all lose. But Russia could never digest our hedonistic, narcissistic, secular post modern west with her relatively small population (we indeed have a lot to sort out, but that is our problem, not? We also have some great values). For both peoples: best to mutually respect differences and become partners in what is common.
Since NATO still has a nasty, very agressive stance, 43 years after I refused to be drafted, I am still as much anti NATO as ever. But no more pacifism…
But I realize that my point of view is not neutral either…
Perhaps for your next podcast mr Saker: Even if you have to play advocate of the devil: What would you recommend as a realistic defense option for European countries (given that a possible break-up might occur between north and south, but possibly even also between neocon (Poland, Baltics, GB, Sweden?) and the more realist members…
You are right there.Who gains from World chaos.Certainly not Russia,nor China.They only win with peace ,stability,and economic progress.The only great power that gains from chaos and war in the World is the US.Russia,even during the Cold War.And certainly since,has promoted peace.The USSR after the turn from all out ideology to protecting Communism in the Eastern Bloc tried to promote peace.They even offered to reunite Germany under an Austrian type solution.They let the Eastern Bloc countries try openings to the West (a mistake as it turned out).But unless directly threatened didn’t push for conflict.And then with the end of the Cold War,and the end of competing ideologies,Russia pushed even harder for peace in the World.Russia benefits from stable trading pardners.And after losing 26 million citizens in WW2 on top of the 15 million killed in WW1 and the Civil War period,Russia wants peace in Europe,especially on her borders.
The US on the other hand,has always benefited by war and threats of war (at least its ruling class has).With wars,and fears of war in the World.The US can be the “White Knight on the horse”.Be the exceptional,indispensable nation,”chosen by God” to police the world against “bad guys”.Of course to accomplish that “holy mission” they need to garrison the World.But “of course” only for the World’s own good.The fact that that allows trade agreements,financial control,and military and political control, throughout the World for the US’s benefit,is “purely” accidental.
If Europeans were more perceptive they would see as Mr Ishchenko mentions,that there future should be in friendship with Russia.The largest country in the World.And the World’s largest storehouse of raw materials.As well as the middleman to Central, South,and East Asian markets.Whose markets will dominate this Century’s economic future.Not only would Europe gain from a “Lisbon to Vladivostok” in trade.But Lisbon to Beijing,and Lisbon to Mumbai as well. Russia has always been an insular society,a World of its own (hence the “Russian World” adage).They had several chances to dominate Europe in the past and didn’t take them.Russia’s concerns with Europe have always been for security on the borders.And that is true today in our non-ideological World.A trade and security alliance with Russia would deeply benefit all Europe,Russia,and the World.But the one country it would not benefit is the US.The US only benefits from controlling Europe.While Russia benefits from trading with Europe.It should be clear to all Europeans.And would be except for the US propaganda,and control of Europe’s leadership and media.Wouldn’t it be nice if Europe would in this Century would for once serve its own and its citizens best interests.
I suggest they do like everyone else : have their own armed forces. For the EU has been brain dead since 1991 and will stay so in the future. There will never be a European army, that point has already been decided in 1956. The EU will become more and more irrelevant as the Cold War fades away. And that’s a good thing. I have no apetite for a European Civil War and that’s the only way for the moronic European project to end.
Don’t worry about the Baltic fascists. The combination of neo-liberal economics, neo-conservative subservience to the USA, the refusal of the populace to reproduce and the flight overseas of those who can manage it, will see these loyal servants of global fascism shrivel and fade away. The reward for the loyalty of their emigre elites to the Exceptional Empire.
Rumours that Viktor Zolotov, Putin’s personal bodyguard found dead.
Rumours that Putin is using doubles in case of assassinations.
Rumours that Putin gonna nationalize banks in Russia next year when 99 year contract expires.
Dark clouds hanging over the world.
One should not spread rumors. (Every single “news” item about that bodyguard refers to only one source: the misinformation web site of the infamous fifth-columnist Russian Jew Gary Kasparov. The other two items are equally not worth a comment.)
Kasparov has so discredited himself as a Russian that we have to also flush away his great talent as a chess player.
He is a bitter man who souled out to the devil. (spelling intended).
He is a liberal hero in the US, and as close to a traitor as a native born could be.
Sad, tragic, pathetic.
@ Matts,
“He is a bitter man who souled out to the devil.”
I like the imagery. Well done. Good job.
I always preferred Karpov. Not an effing treacherous swine, either, nor a monstrous egomaniac.
Saddam lives on…remember his 6 lookalikes? Where Eagles Dare etc :)
There is a little mistake: it’s not kind of a blind following of Europe. Europe is following nobody, it doesn’t go anywhere, because Europe already arrived.
Europe long time ago arrived in the gut of the US (that’s why they are blind). The European Army is just a fart as a result of gut cramps and flatulence of the US. The political class of Europe struggles to calm the cramps down, i.e. to make the US happy and to sh*t everything cumbersome out. The European Army is among this … coming out.
If Europe really wants to follow what you called it’s military doctrine (in my opinion Europe (including France after de Gaule) doesn’t have any military doctrine, but instead get’s instructions from the westside of the atlantic; anyway, Europe’s military doctrine:) very, very simple:
(Terminologie by F**king Victoria:) F**k the military Anglo-Saxons off (i.e. out of Europe), completly, may be including the polish army and you’re done – result: no more combats in Europe, nada, nitschewo – Berta von Suttner will come alive again.
If Europe want’s to be sure everything will keep going fine: disarm as many as possible european countries, at least Germany, i.e. billions of billions for business and social welfare. Germany of late is spending 32bn per annum for it’s … so-called army.
Let Germany ask Russia to place it’s missile defense in Ramstein (think of Force de frappe and british Trident subs), may be some 2 or 3 billions salary per annum and you’re done. It’s all that simple: (sorry, citing again F**king Victoria:) f**k the Anglo-Saxon (army) off! Russia, in history, never attacked (western) Europe. Russia needs (western) Europe for business, not dead.
BTW: Russia west of Ural mountains is Europe, too. When talking about Europe we need to keep in mind: Western Europe (EU++) and Eastern Europe (Belarus, Russia, Baltics, Malorossia, Novorossia, Finland) – altogether: Europe.
Ideas don’t necessarily need to be implemented to have utility.
It’s Saturday morning in my world – what a happy thought the author brings us this morning. He’s completely correct, that Europe needs to protect itself from the US more than from Russia. Also that, at this point in history, Europe could count on cooperation with Russia rather than enmity. Times can change, and Europe should really arm itself against all potential foes: US, Russia, China, the Middle East – everywhere outside of Europe could be a threat, and now it’s very clear that the US will throw Europe under the bus at any point it suits its own interests.
I suppose peace only does come when all combatants are at military stalemate with each other. So the way to a peaceful life is for all nations to be armed. Sad but seems to be true in this age at least. I wonder if the nations of Europe really could learn to get along, well enough at least to form a common army led only by their own mature agreement.
Certainly there were plenty of failures during the ‘Falkland Conflict’ and in that sense the UK, at times, ‘managed to lose’ but Argentina surrendered the Falklands and politically it was subsequently an enormous success for Margaret Thatcher in the UK.
Wiki:
“The conflict lasted 74 days and ended with the Argentine surrender on 14 June 1982, returning the islands to British control”.
I think the author needs to qualify that ‘UK losing’ statement and explain exactly what is meant by it.
He may be talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.Where after how many years of war.Britain along with the US has accomplished little. The “mission accomplished” turned into years of war.No real victory,and budgets spiraling into the red.As well as several thousand dead soldiers (not even to mention the hundreds of thousands of people killed in those countries).And last but not least, the “lost” respect of much of the world.Suffered by Britain as well as the US.
The USA and UK have precisely achieved what was the aim of the aggressions after the 9/11 false flag attacks. In pursuit of their controllers’, the Israelis’ ‘Oded Yinon Plan’, they have destroyed Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, split Sudan in half, destabilised Pakistan, installed a new fascist regime in Egypt, crushed the populace in Bahrain, isolated and sanctioned Iran and created their biggest ever death-squad, Daash, to spread terror, horror and destruction, give a fresh impetus to the Zionazi cottage industry of Islamophobia and prepare Daash to attack Russia through the Caucasus and China through Xinjiang. A smashing success, in fact, for the Real Evil Empire.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41293.htm
Canadian Minister: Chris Alexander Delivers a Troubling Speech on Ukraine
Disturbing…
Christine
Isn’t this the same barbarian who was unable to see the Pravy Sektor flags in the background at that Ukrainian celebration day somewhere in Ontario?
There was a somewhat toned down ‘ultra-nationalist’ donation table with their PS colour flags flying and I believe it was Alexander who was being interviewed by the CBC there with these flags flying in the background and he said he had not noticed them.
Birds of a Harper fascist feather, flock together. Fascist filth.
@ Anonymous 6:43pm UTC
Recently … a 90yr old man was arrested in Florida for feeding the homeless..remember that? can’t figure out their purpose for criminalizing feeding the poor.
Christine
So that they die quicker
Even Dan Carlin thinks NATO must go:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/dancarlin/cswdcc88.mp3
The problem is that NATO is as much a vehicle
for Merkins to sell arms to Yurpeens as anything else.
I don’t share this enthusiasm for an European army. My fear is that it will mainly be used against the own population.
Also, it wouldn’t end the dominance of the US. Only the US has bases around the world, a lot of aircraft carriers, the capacity to move large armies over long distances within a short time, a very elaborate intelligence network and a much larger defense budget than the EU.
Yes, the US has a much larger military budget than anyone else. But that is a problem, not a feature. A military budget is cost, not profit.
Italy France Spain UK all have carriers
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/03/20/doing-gods-work-san-francisco-church-sprays-homeless-people-with-water-to-keep-them-away/
A cathedral staff member confirmed to KCBS the system was installed, perhaps a year ago, to deter the homeless from sleeping there.
KCBS has also learned from a review of city permit records that the system was installed illegally, and may violate water use regulations.
Drought or no drought, when it comes to spraying the homeless, there seems to be plenty of water available.
Hosing down the homeless—how many more in-your-face hints in addition to their glorious rampage down the centuries do the sheep need to WTFU?
Saker: you and your readers might be interested in his
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2015/03/ukrainian-oligarch-kolomoisky-and-his.html
snippet “Apparently, Ukrainian energy minister Vladimir Demchishin, who visited Kolomoisky from Ukrtransnafta, got a more convincing explanation, because he decided against calling the police to oust Kolomoisky from the building. Sevgil Musaeva, editor of Ukraine’s most popular news website, Pravda.com.ua, quoted a Ukrainian official as saying Kolomoisky told Demchishin that if needed he could bring 2,000 volunteer fighters to Kiev, “because enterprises are being taken away from him.”
and if anyone can translate the video I hunted down, that would be great too!
@ Anonymous 6:43pm UTC
Recently … a 90yr old man was arrested in Florida for feeding the homeless..remember that? can’t figure out their purpose for criminalizing feeding the poor.
Christine
Armies to protect the Hegemon’s possessions (vassal states in the EU).
Requires tanks, some close support helos, A-10s, a few fighter squadrons for air shows, old bombers, and plenty of regiments and divisions of men in boots.
The only soil those boots march on are vassal states.
Is all this army projecting power? No.
Navy projects power. Cruise missiles and armed drones projects power. Submarines project power.
However, if you suddenly decided Russia is your enemy, you have a grand land-based occupation force that is totally useless against your enemy because Russia controls its air space, your air power and naval power will be negated with a nuclear fusillade from Russia.
Thus, you are hamstrung. You can’t defeat your chosen enemy and you can’t project power against that enemy and its friends.
Time to stand down.
NATO is a colonial occupation force.
You can try new uniforms and military doctrine, but it is defunct.
Russia outsmarted Brussels and Washington. Getting into an arms race with Russia will finish them off without a shot fired. Russia’s strategy wins.
Simple as that.
Saker , A few days ago I read a story about Kapersky ( the antivirus mob ) and the FSB having discovered a possibiity of a nuclear attack by Britain on Russia . Have you any info about it or id just BLS ? Thanks
[MOD: links to Sorcha Faal stories removed]
This blog is partly about fighting propaganda. That starts with recognizing it.There are various paid disinformation sites that have two aims
* make people afraid, so they are easier to control
* make people believe crazy ideas, so they can be discredited as “conspiracy theorists” so they can be ignored when they speak out about REAL conspiracies.
The links you gave (which I removed) all go back to a story started by WhatDoesItMean.Com which is written by a “Sorcha Faal” who is one major disinformation agent, whose stories we don’t like to give more publicity to.
Think about it: if there was a nuclear strike ordered, is it likely we would not be at war already? is it likely the main media would not know about it? no government bothered to mention we are at war? but some obscure blogs would know all the details? Try a Google search on the topic’s main words, eg “Russia Warns “State Of War””, if nothing comes up under News but lots under Web, the story is a fake. Ignore it.
“the UK managed to lose”
The Falklands/Malvinas war? In what parallel universe? :D
“an expedition of Lord Kitchener, whose machine guns shot down an army of a hundred thousand brave Mahdis (army of Abdullah al-Taashi of Sudan) at Omdurman during the battle of September 2, 1898”
I think somebody accidentally added an extra zero to the casualties suffered by Mahdis side in that battle. Approximately 10k were killed, 10k wounded and 5k captured. The Mahdis’ forces totaled approximately 40k.
Regarding the current Euro-American relationship, I think the author is mistaken to think the EU and the USA are on the way out as allies. Some of the less powerful EU countrys’ leaders have opposed some ZPC/NWO policies recently, but the leadership of the most powerful (UK, France, Germany) have pretty much been following the same anti-Russian program. The slight differences between them are the usual “good cop – bad cop” routine, which the ZPC/NWO uses in every one of their endeavors, and due to the small variations they need to accommodate their different local interests and populations. There is a similar variation in USA leadership circles regarding how to attack Russia as there is in Europe. The idea of a “dove” European leadership and a “hawk” American one is one of those PR obfuscation campaigns done by western politicians and the zio-media, in the service of ZPC/NWO policies and strategy.
The real threat to the ZPC/NWO is as always, the people of their colonies, who for the most part, do not want these wars being hard sold to them in order to further the ZPC/NWO world dominance and control strategy. It is to keep the people confused, frightened, hating and misinformed that this massive propaganda blitz in the zionazi media is ongoing (and has intensified against Russia in recent days, I’ve noticed).
The idea of a EU army is probably not to use this as a replacement for [G]ATO, which is really the ZPC/NWO’s military force, but to compliment [G]ATO’s aggressions in areas where the ZPC/NWO would rather not use [G]ATO or where [G]ATO cant be used due to the agreements and treaties that set up [G]ATO. Examples of this could be use of an EU military in places like the breakaway republics South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transdniester. Or perhaps another use might be something like using [G]ATO for the initial war making, and the EU army as the occupation force securing conquered territory, so [G]ATO can move on to the next ZPC/NWO victim.
It could also be a European occupation force used to quell local European unrest. Given the demos and riots against ZPC/NWO austerity policies, for example, and that these, and other totalitarian ZPC/NWO policies will probably get more extreme and result in more unrest, an occupation force will be needed to enforce ZPC/NWO authority. Using [G]ATO for this enforcement would probably not work out well, and besides, [G]ATO is needed to conquer the world.
One thing I don’t see is this EU army being aligned with Russia. The ZPC/NWO would never allow their colonies to create a force that would join up with the ZPC/NWO planned targets for conquest. They are not that stupid.
Then again, an EU army might just be idle speculation from the minds of a few airheads.
That was my fault on the translation,
“the UK managed to lose”
“the UK nearly managed to lose”
“an expedition of Lord Kitchener, whose machine guns shot down an army of a hundred thousand brave Mahdis (army of Abdullah al-Taashi of Sudan) at Omdurman during the battle of September 2, 1898″
“an expedition of Lord Kitchener, who fought a brave army of a hundred thousand Mahdis (army of Abdullah al-Taashi of Sudan) at Omdurman during the battle of September 2, 1898″
Thank you for pointing those out, Apologies.
Thanks Aleksey for clearing that up. I thought it was probably typos. Translation isn’t easy, you did a great job.
Total Eclipse of the Mind
The European Union took its first step towards a full-scale propaganda war against Russia following the campaign’s approval at a recent EU summit in Brussels.
The European Union plans to set up team of communication experts to counter what it deems “Russia’s ongoing disinformation campaigns.”
The unit would be tasked with conveying the EU’s perspective of events in Russian as well as in other European languages.
Check out the cartoon.
As one can see, there is no real difference between the EU and the USA in the regime upper levels.
If the European slaves of the Exceptional Empire are dissatisfied with the Western MSM’s 100% Groupthink and total support for the mendacious and cynically hypocritical Western narrative re Ukraine, then they are hard to please. As is now Standard Operating Procedure in the West in regard to all matters, blatant, impudent, lying is the norm. Aimed, of course at the loyal dullards brainwashed from birth and not daring to question the Bosses. Those with brains and some vestigial integrity who have rejected the sewer of lies that is the Western MSM, are the real targets here. This campaign will quickly transmute into the real objective-to suppress and ban ‘conspiracy theories’ ie any opinions not totally in synch with the Guardian/Radio Free Europe worldview, and their promulgators, like this very site. The cretin Hollande has already proposed just such action in the name of combating that eternal, omnipresent, inescapable scourge- ‘antisemitism’. Ziofascism is near.
OT
Excellent interview with the Ecuadorian FM on American aggression in Latin America and on Sweden’s perversion of justice regarding Assange.
EXCLUSIVE: If There’s a Threat On This Continent, It’s the US – Ecuador FM
@ Rostislav Ishchenko,
Q; How many armies does Europe need?
R: That’s the wrong question.
The real question is/should be; ‘How much money does the MIC need?’
The answer is; “Every gd penny they can lay their greedy, blood-stained hands on.‘
That’s how you get all those ‘armies.’
Somewhat OT, but Europe related. Another of the long standing nazi propaganda campaigns, which was cynically adopted by the fascist west post WW2, bites the dust.
Mass Exodus of Germans From Eastern Europe: The Last Nazi War Crime
(Beginning)
Czech historian Eva Hahnova has challenged attempts to rewrite the history of the Second World War, including the story of the mass exodus of Germans from Eastern Europe at the end of the war, which she calls the last massive crime committed by the Nazi regime.
In an article published recently in Czech magazine Literarni Noviny, historian Eva Hahnova challenges Western historiography’s attempts to rewrite the story of the mass exodus of Germans from Eastern Europe at the close of the Second World War. The historian argues that while this event has been blamed on the marauding Soviet hordes, primary historical sources show that the exodus was actually carried out by German officials, and that the ineptitude and violence with which it was done constitutes the last massive crime committed by the Nazi regime.
(End)
The experiences of the Germans from Wroclaw and Prague were very different, which the common language of “flight and expulsion” blurs. The same applies to all 11 million Germans who lost their homes due to the war and arrived in the territory of contemporary Germany by various means; among them were the nearly 5 million Germans who came to Germany from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary after the war. At the same time, this, the last mass crime of the Nazi regime, the forced evacuation of the German population, is hidden behind talk of the alleged barbarity of the Soviet Army in relation to the civilian population. This relic, an echo of Nazi propaganda, has nonetheless become a favorite subject in discussions of the past, even if it is a classic example of stereotypical overtones used as needed for a variety of political purposes.
The terms “Soviet Army,” “Russians” or “Bolsheviks” are used interchangeably as synonyms, like the names Stalin and Putin. The phrases “threat from the East” and “Kremlin” continue to retain extreme popularity in politics and journalism, as demonstrated in today’s problems in international relations. Just as a lack of information obscures perceptions about the end of the Second World War, so too do stories about the current threat from the Kremlin often, already at first glance, suffer from an obvious penchant for hollow phrases, rather than objective information and reasonable judgments.
Eva Hahnova is a German author of Czech origin, engaged in the study of the history of Central Europe and Czech-German relations in the 20th century. Her article, entitled “About the Anti-Russian Stereotype Based on Goebbels’ Propaganda,” was published earlier this month in the Czech political and cultural magazine Literarni Noviny.
BOT TAK:
The Nazi population transfer of innocent German civilians began in the 1930’s with the forced transfer of some Germans from South Tyrol to Nazi Germany upon treaty with Italy. It then continued in 1940 with agreements with the USSR that forced Germans out of the Baltics, Kresy Poland/West Ukraine, and Bessarabia and resettled them in Warthegau in occupied Poland. The Nazi’s lied to these Germans and told them that the new Warthegau homesteads they would receive had been freely purchased from Poles choosing to relocate. In fact, many arrived to houses in which the inhabitants had obviously been forced out (food left in the cupboards, clothes in the closets).
In 1941, the forced population transfers of German moved to Slovenia, which had been annexed by Italy, and saw the Germany community in south Slovenia forced to move to Nazi Germany.
A pause in the operational tempo of these population shifts occurred in 1941. Due to the manpower needs of the war with the USSR, Germany shifted gears to mobilizing armed units from the 2+ million Germans in the Danube basin in Hungary, Yugoslavia, Slovakia and Romania. At the same time, the machinery of people movement was set to work moving Jews eastwards to forced labor in the German army on the eastern front (especially digging anti-tank ditches, regauging wide gauge Soviet railroad tracks, working as factory slaves in Ukraine and other necessary war work), and in the massive SS/IG Farben industry city of Auschwitz-Birkenau (this was the reason the Auschwitz camp was set up – it was in reality a city to provide a pool of slave labor for the Birkenau factories). Auschwitz also served as a processing center to send surplus Jews eastwards and focused on processing the population in Germany and Western Europe. The Germans also set up transfer camps at strategic railheads in Poland at Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec. These camps were used to process the Polish and Lithuanian Jewish populations for labor, and the SS added to this on their own intitative the extermination of the unift – this is why there is infamously no Hitler order, but also why there are so many holocaust survivors and why the Germans would inexplicably have a major hospital at Auschwitz and why they took the prisoners of Auschwitz in 1945 and force marched them into Germany instead of just killing them. The Jewish population was systematically rounded up and transferred to the camps, a selection would occur, and the able bodied would be sent east to slave labor where they were expected to eventually die. Those who might escape slave labor behind the front would be tracked down and shot by the Einsatzgruppen. The Hungarians and Romanians had similar slave labor policies with their own Jews. The Romanians used the Jews of Bessarabia and the Odessa region (the remaining Romanian Jewish population of 400+ thousand survived the war nearly unscathed and moved to Israel), who they viewed as backwards and uncivilized and not Romanian in comparison to the Jews of old Romania in Wallachia, Moldavia, and Transylvania. The Hungarians enslaved only a small fraction of their Jewish population in the 1942-1943 period for this period – about 10%, with casualties running to about 2 of 3. When the Germans ran out of Jews under their own control in German, Poland, Netherlands, and France, they reached south in Hungary in 1944, which was the last major pool of Jewish slave labor available and processed them into and through Auschwitz.
The Germans also mobilized more and more of their own men into the German Army (which eventually reached 14 million). To make up for the manpower at home they started a second dragnet, bringing in Poles, Ukrainians, and Frenchmen to work as slaves in German industry and farms.
Lastly, as the Soviet Armies in 1944 reached the borders of Germany and the Carpathian mountains, they now threatened the German homeland and the German settlements in the Danube basin and Transylvania. The Germans began the mass evacuation of German civilians in front of the Red Army, partly in panic for some minor atrocities committed in East Prussia (memorialized in Solzhenytsin’s “Prussian Nights”), and partly in fear of retribution for what they had done on the eastern front during the war. The evacuation began with the East Prussians and Pommeranians. The Soviets cut off East Prussia and the evacuation actually continued by sea (yes, precious fuel and manpower was spent by the Nazis moving civilians in 1945!), resulting in the infamous sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff. The Soviets turned Romania in 1944 both before the Germans could evacuate the German population and before they could reach out to seize the Jews there as slave labor and for extermination. Other than some evacuees from the Temesvar/Timisoara area, and some taken as slave labor to the USSR, the German population survived intact in Romania until 1989. In the Balkans the Germans did evacuate the Germans out of Serbia and Slavonia, but not out of Hungary where again the German population mostly remained until 1989.
The Soviets reached Silesia late and so the evacuation there began late. The German refugees/evacuees from Poland, and Silesia were processed through Dresden, which accounts for the huge refugee population there during its fire bombing. At the end of the war only about 6 million Germans remained east of the Erzgebrige and Oder River out of a pre-war population of around 15 million. The other 9 million had perished in the evacuation by the Nazis (about 20%) or had successfully made it into what is now modern Germany. The remaining 6 million were mostly in Silesia and the Sudetenland, as the Germans surrendered still occupying Boehmia. 5 million of this population was transferred post-war to Germany with minimal loss of life in 1946-1952, while 1 million remained in Upper Silesia by choosing a Polish identity (they were bilingual and also critical to the functioning of Silesian industry). The population transfer out of the Sudetenland was the choice of the Czechs in 1946 – the Hungarians and Romanians chose otherwise and kept most of their German minorities. The Sudetenland was still depopulated when I visited in 1997 – abandoned villages and farms returned to forest. Due to the mass evacuation by the Nazi’s out of Prussia, Pommerania, and trans-Oder Silesia during the war, retaining these lands as German post-war was not ethnically feasible without devoting resources to figuring out where the inhabitants were in the displaced person camps and then forcing them to return to the Soviet zone of occupation, which most did not want. Stalin therefore chose to transfer the Polish population out of the south of Kresy Poland from Belarus and Galicia to those provinces while moving Galicians and Belarussians from west of the Bug eastwards.
This mass chaos of movement of peoples during war was mirrored on the Russian side – first in an evacuation of civilians and factories in front of the German onslaught to the Urals and SIberia, then in resettlement afterwards. Many Jews fled east and ended up in Moscow, which formerly had not had a major Jewish population pre-war like it did afterwards since it was well outside the Pale of Settlement.
Here’s a gift for the Saker community.
It’s a promotional ‘bumpersticker’ image for this site.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/guyloginin/74461982/13393/13393_original.jpg
Enjoy.
I hope your day is nice.
“Hysteria or social alarm induced?: Lithuania stops a train with Russian students thinking he had begun an invasion”:
http://www.elespiadigital.com/index.php/noticias/historico-de-noticias/8877-ihisteria-o-alarma-social-inducida-lituania-detiene-un-tren-con-estudiantes-rusos-pensando-que-habia-comenzado-una-invasion-
That is seriously funny, Elsi. One has to be prepared to for the worst – Russians using college students as the vanguard of their military invasion forces. Perhaps zionazi/Jewish mafia oligarch Spielberg should make a Hollywood film about it – “Plan 9 from Putin”?
Attack of the Killer Tovarishes?
An elegant solution toward the creation of a European army would be for the United States to withdraw from NATO, leaving it for the French, Germans, British, et al to operate.
Of course funding from the US would also have to be removed, and the Europeans themselves could sort out how large a boot print they wished NATO to have.
The EU desperately needs an army in order to extricate themselves from the ugly war cobweb the U.S., NATO and others have crafted. If they can tell the U.S. and NATO, “No thanks, we don’t need your assistance at this time, we have our own forces.” that might be the only way to keep Europe sovereign and not sucked into ENDLESS WAR that the U.S. and other western countries sadly seem to desire. Because endless wars severely enriches a few and devastates so many thousands, millions, of citizens. WAR NEEDS TO STOP. Most reasonable people want peace.
I propose the European Army be called the Wehrmacht 2.0 and that its Supreme Commander always be required to sport a Hitler mustache.
How in the world can a Europe with the likes of France defy the Anglo-Zionists by creating its own army? The previous article shows that France can’t even bully two lowly truth-tellers to shut up. If this article is typical of system analysts and forecasters, I’d rather call them science fiction dreamers. The only way the bought, sold and terrorized leaders of Europe would turn against their masters would be if the people would turn against the leaders. And this presupposes utter chaos, which of course is possible with an Empire of Chaos. But why wouldn’t the Empire see the danger to themselves? Well, they wouldn’t if they were dependent upon analysts living in fantasy land. In all this insanity, it’s comforting to know that reality will have the last word, and that’s where I want to be when it all comes tumbling down. Then again, maybe the AZ masters want to see Europe’s leaders hanging from lamp posts so that it’s just them against the bear. What do I know? I’m no analyst or forecaster. But it’s interesting having a ring seat close to the fight.
1. EU is not a federal state and will never be
2. It consists of core EU countries and rogue countries
3. An army that wishes to be efficient needs to have one goal, one strategy and clear command.
4. Do I see sustainability for such an army under the existing EU structrure? No, but it will be formed nevertheless. Under the command of the core countries plus Poland.
5. Why is it being pushed in the agenda? Because of the rogue EU nations – they are the main target of the EU army financed by predominatly Germany,Holland, France, possibly UK…
I wouldn’t consider it pure fiction to see Polish regiments in Greece, Hungary or even France as peace keepers as war on “terorism and anti semitism” was not handled properly by the local forces,
US owned NATO has shown it thinks nothing of either Europe of of the European Union interests at all. Quite the opposite, it is poised to bring Europe down. The joined Austerity measures boosted and demanded by the La Guard US IMF leader (remember the theatricalised CNN decapitation of Dominique Strauss Khan on the Manhatan streets? She replaced him by order of Timothy Geithner of great fame and an Obama intimate at the time) have beggared every nation in Europe, including Germany. The US separate charges to each member of it’s NATO club have become ruinous. And, they are being forced to eradicate Russia for America’s needs alone. In paying US NATO European member costs to a bankrupt USA in order to eradicate Europe which cannot exist without Russia, is insane.
It is wise governance of the European continent to own it’s own army and to send NATO managers of Europe back home to their continent 3 to 12 thousand miles away from us.
Saves lives, sovereign identities and money. Russia is Europe, Europe is Russia.
I am sorry to say this, but I do find definite conclusion of this author about European army not realistic. Political aims trends and direction are naturally firmly set and trends agreed on, but every political decision is simply impossible to pre-plan. So the statement of the creation of European army definitely was not pre-planed.
So than the conclusion that this statement is in line to reinforce NATO is simply out.
This statement in my opinion is more indicative of attempt to decrease influence of not welcomed of US policies in affairs of Europe. This is in my opinion confirmed By negative reaction of Poland, Britain and US.
Perhaps a decent summary is:
For the MIC and power brokers to make money you need an army
To have an army you need an enemy
When you run out of external enemies you need to make some more
When you can’t make any more external enemies then you have to make internal enemies, so you never run out.
When you have made enough internal enemies and fought them long enough the system collapses. I guess we won’t have too long to wait, now.
That I agree. When you have a big hammer, everything looked likes a nail. When you used to look through barrel of a gun, everything looks like a target.
Here’s a prime example of the military $$$ madness
Europe needs an army like Asia, South America or Africa needs an army. We (should) have sovereign countries, let them build up the armies they want. And NATO should be kicked out, as a remnant of US imperialism, the Cold war and the occupation of Europe. If Poland is afraid of Russia because of 70 years of brainwashing, they can make their own alliances and go to war.
Peace-making forces maybe, but a European army to put in the hands of the EU (=US puppet) warlords in Brussels ? No thanks.
Remember what happened the last two times we had a bunch of massive pan-european alliances securing other countries ? World war 1 spread because of the alliances between Russia and Serbia (IIRC), and Austria and Germany on the other hand. World war 2 started&gained momentum because of useless promises UK&France gave to Poland and the alliances the German attack* triggered.
* which, IMO, would never have happened if Poland had been forced to negotiate without British&French imperial backing
@ bot tak
“Czech historian Eva Hahnova has challenged attempts to rewrite the history of the Second World War, including the story of the mass exodus of Germans from Eastern Europe at the end of the war, which she calls the last massive crime committed by the Nazi regime.”
Sure, sure, mate, every crime carried out by your stalinist heroes is nothing but ‘nazi’ propaganda, ‘re-writing’ history and “Western’ propaganda!
Are u really that thick/brainwashed or r u just a propagandist, as the above Czech ‘historian’? The Czechs obviously have all the reason in the world to say that the ethnic Germans just left on their own accord or bc of the fiendish nazi cannibals.
This mirrors the zionists’ often used justification for the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians, i.e, the palestinians just left or were told to leave by their leaders, it was not ethnic cleansing, it was an ‘exodus’.
Well, good luck explaining how the process continued long after the war had ended, into the late 40s, in Eastern Europe and the Balkans.
Over 1.200 concentration camps were established by your heroes for the internment of ethnic German civilians After the war was over.
Your ‘exodus’, carried out by the Soviets and their puppets saw the expulsion of 15 million people from their ancestral homelands and more than a million perished.
And you know what’s more; if one asks 100 people in the West about this not one knows anything about it.
Next thing you will tell us here how the Katyn massacre was also carried out by nazi cannibals as opposed to your NKVD heroes.
Luca K
“Sure, sure, mate, every crime carried out by your stalinist heroes is nothing but ‘nazi’ propaganda, ‘re-writing’ history and “Western’ propaganda!”
Though you had not yet been born, you sound rather bitter about the nazis getting their arses handed to them by commies. It’s easy to understand why they lost, just look at the bandera nazis in the former Ukraine. Same sort of freakshow.
BTW, I’m not a fan of Stalin and I’m most definitely not your mate. :D
In that report, I believe ,it didn’t include the Czechs in the list.It said they did expel the ethnic Germans.And the Poles expelled those that still were in the areas ceded to Poland.But here’s a reason,that as you say,people in the West don’t hear about that.The agreement to expel all the Germans was made at Yalta between all the Allies.In fact Churchill and Roosevelt had no problem with that idea.And the Czechs and Poles (at that time not Communist governments) insisted on it.
So the West over-blaming the Soviets for that (they do some,but don’t harp on it) would bring out the Western Allies wanting the same thing to happen to the Germans there.And that would be very inconvenient to the “blame-Russia for everything” crowd.The truth is the Germans (nazis) themselves started the “ending the German presence in the East”. Millions of Germans fled out of fear.And thousands died in that flight (the numbers both high and low are much disputed).
The Poles and Czechs (Yugoslavs,and to some smaller extent Hungarians) pushed for the expulsions.As well as refusing any Germans wanting to return. Probably a million people were allowed to remain in the areas ceded to Poland since they were Silesians, Kasubians,and Masurians (Germanized Slavs considered ethnically Polish).
But while Stalin didn’t object to the expulsions,and for certain Churchill and Roosevelt didn’t either.It was the Poles and Czechs mainly that pushed for it,and for it to happen at once.If you read the testimonies of people expelled,they talk about Czech and Polish soldiers expelling them mostly.
Uncle, you write good stuff. Make it easier to read by spacing it with paragraphs (and TWO spaces after a full stop)..
Huh? The author of this article writes that ZUK lost the malvinas war??
Either the text was mistranslated or the author does not know what he is talking about.
The brits fought a hard campaign but they won. Argentina had some advantages, such as proximity to home facilitating supply lines, etc.
I’m not sure, but i seem to remember the argentinians had more manpower.
ZUK had superior tech and ZUSA’s support.
To NATO; Why NATO? It should be dissolved and each european country provide its own military.
The EU should be abolished as well, it’s a very undemocratic monster.
Main euro countries can very well, if they so desire, provide themselves with adequate defense forces. If Russia with a smaller GDP than Germany can do it – and it can – so can states like Germany, France, ZUK.
European countries should be independent both from ZUSA and Russia. To replace one with the other, as the author seems to suggest, is absurd.
@bot tak
“BTW, I’m not a fan of Stalin and I’m most definitely not your mate”
Yawwwnnn, no arguments so you just wasted space.
Ok, Carry on, mate.
Luca K on March 24, 2015 · at 2:27 am UTC
Yawwwnnn, no arguments so you just wasted space.
Ok, Carry on, mate.
Hey, I must be doing something right. Thanks, Israeli for confirming that. :D
BTW, you really need to get over that “mate” preoccupation. You don’t want people thinking you are a gay stalker, do you?
don’t degenerate into personal sniping here please, people