By Pepe Escobar : with permission and crossposted with Strategic Culture
Readers from myriad latitudes have been asking me about Hong Kong. They know it’s one of my previous homes. I developed a complex, multi-faceted relationship with Hong Kong ever since the 1997 handover, which I covered extensively. Right now, if you allow me, I’d rather cut to the chase.
Much to the distress of neocons and humanitarian imperialists, there won’t be a bloody mainland China crackdown on protesters in Hong Kong – a Tiananmen 2.0. Why? Because it’s not worth it.
Beijing has clearly identified the color revolution provocation inbuilt in the protests – with the NED excelling as CIA soft, facilitating the sprawl of fifth columnists even in the civil service.
There are other components, of course. The fact that Hong Kongers are right to be angry about what is a de facto Tycoon Club oligarchy controlling every nook and cranny of the economy. The local backlash against “the invasion of the mainlanders”. And the relentless cultural war of Cantonese vs. Beijing, north vs. south, province vs. political center.
What these protests have accelerated is Beijing’s conviction that Hong Kong is not worth its trust as a key node in China’s massive integration/development project. Beijing invested no less than $18.8 billion to build the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge, as part of the Greater Bay Area, to integrate Hong Kong with the mainland, not to snub it.
Now a bunch of useful idiots at least has graphically proven they don’t deserve any sort of preferential treatment anymore.
The big story in Hong Kong is not even the savage, counter-productive protests (imagine if this was in France, where Macron’s army is actually maiming and even killing Gilets Jaunes/Yellow Vests). The big story is the rot consuming HSBC – which has all the makings of the new Deutsche Bank scandal.
HSBC holds $2.6 trillion in assets and an intergalactic horde of cockroaches in their basement – asking serious questions about money laundering and dodgy deals operated by global turbo-capitalist elites.
In the end, Hong Kong will be left to its own internally corroding devices – slowly degrading to its final tawdry status as a Chinese Disneyland with a Western veneer. Shanghai is already in the process of being boosted as China’s top financial center. And Shenzhen already is the top high-tech hub. Hong Kong will be just an afterthought.
Brace for blowback
While China identified “Occupy Hong Kong” as a mere Western-instilled and instrumentalized plot, India, for its part, decided to go for Full Occupy in Kashmir.
Curfew was imposed all across the Kashmir valley. Internet was cut off. All Kashmiri politicians were rounded up and arrested. In fact all Kashmiris – loyalists (to India), nationalists, secessionists, independentists, apolitical – were branded as The Enemy. Welcome to Indian “democracy” under the crypto-fascist Hindutva.
“Jammu and Kashmir”, as we know it, is no more. They are now two distinct entities. Geologically spectacular Ladakh will be administered directly by New Delhi. Blowback is guaranteed. Resistance committees are already springing up.
In Kashmir, blowback will be even bigger because there will be no elections anytime soon. New Delhi does not want that kind of nuisance – as in dealing with legitimate representatives. It wants full control, period.
Starting in the early 1990s, I’ve been to both sides of Kashmir a few times. The Pakistani side does feel like Azad (“Free”) Kashmir. The Indian side is unmistakably Occupied Kashmir. This analysis is as good as it gets portraying what it means to live in IOK (Indian-occupied Kashmir).
BJP minions in India scream that Pakistan “illegally” designated Gilgit-Baltistan – or the Northern Areas – as a federally administered area. There’s nothing illegal about it. I was reporting in Gilgit-Baltistan late last year, following the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Nobody was complaining about any “illegality”.
Pakistan officially said it “will exercise all possible options to counter [India’s] illegal steps” in Kashmir. That’s extremely diplomatic. Imran Khan does not want confrontation – even as he knows full well Modi is pandering to Hindutva fanatics, aiming to turn a Muslim-majority province into a Hindu-majority province. In the long run though, something inevitable is bound to emerge – fragmented, as a guerrilla war or as a united front.
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What does this have to do with Pepe’s subjects Hong Kong and Kashmir?
The comment should be removed, in my opinion. It is irrelevant.
Lol! Pakistan sponsored article. Utter nonsensical representation of Kashmir situation. Shame..
True. Read this for India’s prospective:
The revocation of Article 370 ends a foul majoritarianism: https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-the-revocation-of-article-370-ends-a-foul-majoritarianism-1565549062884.html
>>> J&K was also the only Indian state with no tribal rights (and the state had no right to education either). And it should be our national shame that we allow these hypocrites to freely talk of majoritarianism while staying silent about the 20th century’s swiftest forced exodus of a minority community—Hindu Pandits from Kashmir in 1990.
>>> systematic attempts to change demography have been in progress for years in J&K, through settling Muslims in Buddhist-majority Ladakh (Namgyal mentioned this), and recently, Rohingyas in Jammu.
So you have been to both sides of Kashmir including gilgit baltistan.any thing in particular you disagree with. You have accused Mr Escobar of the worst act for a journalist.in reality you have exposed your hindutva fascism that your kind are doing nothing wrong in mob lynchings of Muslims,your elected reps calling for gang rape of Muslim women,the cm of UP asking the people to dig Muslim women’s graves and rape them.the CM of Haryana asking hindutva to claim Kashmiri women as trophies,the forced conversions of Muslims and Christians.the burning of churches.let me guess it’s the ISI and Mr Escobar.
No CM could ever say such foul words. You’re just spreading Pak’s lies spread on social media.
Regarding the lynching, there’s been an attempt to highlight selective cases since Modi has come to power by opposition and its controlled media houses. However that attempt has failed and he’s again got even more majority in 2019 than in 2014.
Please read following articles (by an immigrant German) to understand the factcheck@intoday.com narrative with evidence:
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/christians-are-not-under-attack-in-india/
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/why-this-focus-on-rapes-in-india-by-world-media/
Also this one with a prospective why clashes are increasing between religious groups in general:
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/why-has-the-hatred-between-hindus-and-muslims-increased-in-the-past-5-years/
Hindus do not suffer from superiority complex. For a Hindu the entire world is a family (Vasudev Kathumbhakam, Rig Veda) and there’s no need to go around converting people of other religion as Vedas declare that “As several rivers originating from different sources eventually merge into the same ocean, so as people following different paths eventually reache the same supreme goal (God)”
Hence fascism or fundamentalism cannot apply to Hinduism.
No doubt that 1000 years of invasions do make people concern about their culture safety. The threat hasn’t finished yet with all these terrorist attacks, conversion by missionaries and what not.
@Mohammad Also, I’d like to assure you and you’ll also witness this that India will again turn out to be the safest place for Muslims/Christians on this planet in the apparently coming mayhem on this planet. However separatist/fundamentalist/terrorists/foreign agents will not be safe anymore, nor appeasement as a tool of votebank politics will work.
India is not the safest place for Kashmiris. You occupy Kasmir with 1M troops and this is “peace” to you. Indian mentality has not changed from what caused the partition, proving only the prescience of Allama Iqbal and Qaid-e-azam in ensuring partition took place. We would have sleepwalked into a union with India and now would be living under a military occupation like the Kashmiris.
Here is an article that looks at how the National Endowment for Democracy is meddling in Russia:
https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-national-endowment-for-democracy.html
It is very apparent that Washington’s overt actions in Russia (and other nations around the world) are very similar in scope and style to the Central Intelligence Agency’s covert nation re-engineering operations.
And don’t forget that the NED is only one of the USA’s interfering organisations. There are also the IRI, IDI, USAID, the State Department, private thugs like Soros, ‘Human Rights Watch’, the State department controlled ‘Amnesty International’, and, of course the CIA and other heads of the US ‘intelligence’ Hydra. The USA will destroy the world, one victim at a time, or all together in a thermo-nuclear End Times, rather than give up its Divine Right to rule the world forever.
the Khazar controlled USA will destroy the world in one of a few ways
this is more like what I concluded previously..that the Khazars, who control the western empire, cannot afford to lose for it surely means their elimination.therefore if they are going to lose they will blow the planet. the Khazars could win out socially, reduce the human population on planet earth and make a scientific mess of that remnant
how can the Khazars not be called to justice when..and if.. the time comes..not only as individuals but as a people, who have been involved over a thousand years in ceaseless crimes against humanity..and have planned far far worse for humanity, as their control of humanity becomes complete
the Khazars are the absolutely intractable human element in the mix. they cannot be reformed, will not be reformed leaving as their only option..win or die – kill the planet.
in time I came to see no other option for humanity, working out. from here on out there are no positive options for humanity. if humanity survives this existential paradox we have gotten ourselves into, as a collective in good order, there would have to be someone looking after us..for true
we may get past this stage as a truncated house of Khazar horrors, a scientifically engineered rump, too ghastly to contemplate
The Jews have a very simple way to remain eternally irreformable. When a Jew marries out, the Talmudists declare them ‘lost Jewish souls’, but the Jewish individual remains a member of the Jewish collective, and will practise the ancient group solidarity and nepotistic favouritism that is central to their modus operandi. Jews who find their ‘Chosenness’ and the activities of the group no longer to their liking, simply give up their faith, or convert to some other. This, no doubt, is a selective force that makes those that remain genetically and culturally more prone to group identity, and that xenophobic fear and hatred of the goyim that has been commented on at least since the time of Tacitus. And societal pressures, such as the ‘self-hating Jew’ slander and communal disapproval do what the rabbis used to do before Emancipation through terror, torture and murder, that is extirpate iconoclasm and dissent.
Very accurate and fair minded assessment of HK from an ex-local from Pepe!
Also notice most HK banks are still on the old banking rules
while China is upgrading all its banks on mainland to be on Basel III.
The unfortunate collateral damage is a huge price to be paid by the HK locals, for decade or even century to come… all for some clown ‘freedom’ show?!
Never forget – HK/Taiwan used to some backwater port/island and no more
China can afford to drop Taiwan and HK (foreign-nested instruments) all together now… and still not lose any steam on accelerating OBOR…
Sad outlook for HK and its once promising future :(
@ Mr./Miss. ?
Dear ?,
I beg to differ, there are huge inaccuracies in this article. His coverage of Kashmir was riddled with errors, it almost had me rolling on the floor laughing how utterly wrong headed it was (inadvertent or not). Why, “almost” ROFL? Because I thought to myself maybe the author didn’t do this on purpose. The point is that if he was so wrong about his assessment of the Kashmir situation, how can I have confidence that the author did his homework regards Hong Kong?
This article seems to turning the truth on its head. At least it was entertaining, factually, of course, it was completely off base, but that makes it all the more amusing or concerning (I gravitate towards the former).
For example, a glaring factual error the author makes is that he totally got wrong why article 370 privileges were applied to Kashmir in the first place: it was not demanded by Kashmir’s Muslim majority who were not even aware of it, it was demanded by the evil Hindu maharaja of Kashmir, Hari Singh. He demanded it so that he could maintain a monopoly on Kashmir and keep Kashmir his personal fiefdom where the protections of the Indian Constitution could not be enforced on him. Does Pepe realize that he just defended the dirty machinations of an autocratic monarch, Hari Singh? No obviously not.
It is many years later, that Kashmiri Muslim majority started using the 370 privileges for their own ends, an example not which is outlined below:
What pepe has left out, amongst so many other omissions and errors, is that even political parties that are virulently opposed to the sovereignist BJP voted with the BJP to rescind article 370 and free the oppressed Buddhist minorities of Ladakh from the oppression of Sunni majority elite of the Kashmir valley. The party in question is part that represents Harijans aka “untouchables” . That’s right pepe, the most oppressed group in India voted to strip Kashmir of article 370 privileges, to strip Kashmir of State status and to cleave away 70% of the territory controlled by them and create a seperate Ladakh. Was this ommision due to ignorance and lacking depth regarding India or was it deliberate? That the reader needs to decide.
The party in question that vote with the BJP on this issue is virulently opposed to the BJP and its leader, Mayawati, despises Narendra Modi.
Pepe is not aware that due to Kashmir being immune to Indian supreme Court decisions (thanks to article 370), all laws passed in India in the last 70 years to protect lower castes and untouchables cannot be enforced in Kashmir. As a result, the lower castes amongst Kashmir’s Muslims (yes even India’s Muslims have a pecking order and caste system) very at the mercy of the corrupt Kashmiri elite. Such lower echelons of Kashmir are kept in line by threats of having their status as Kashmiris revoked and deported if they pressed for their rights. Such was the power that article 370 and 35 have the corrupt Kashmiri elite.
Well the “fait” is “accompli” and the protests in Kashmir are miniscule compared to what China is going through in Hong Kong.
The part that is particularly satisfying about this is given the rapid rise of India’s power, there isn’t any power or state that can take Kashmir from India and that the latest development will accelerate Eurasian integration by removing all uncertainty about Kashmir, which is that Kashmir is an integral part of India with no exceptions. Since the status of Kashmir is stabilized and firmly in India’s control, the strategic region can serve to accelerate Eurasian integration.
Stop exploiting religion and division of mankind to satisfy prejudices and greed of some demonic cult.
Plainly, the Art.370 is abrogated in order to loot and plunder the resources of the region and displace natives, a modus operandi of evil world elites for five centuries now. All other justifications (minorities, oppression, caste, Shia-Sunni, pundit, this and that all nonsense!) is to cover this and nothing else.
Faisal,
Your opinion doesn’t correlate with the facts.
Article 370 was demanded by a selfish corrupt feudal lord of Kashmir, Maharaja Hari Singh (who happened to be Hindu), so that he could be gatekeeper for both social and monetary favors towards his Hindu, Moslem and Buddhist subjects. This scumbag, Hari Singh, was hoping to maintain a virtual kingdom/fiefdom within the Indian Union. It was not the Muslim commoner that demanded article 370 it was a corrupt, British Empire local satrap dog, Hari Singh that demanded these undemocratic antiprogressive exceptions.
It was only later, that the new and equally corrupt cronies of the Nehru-Gandhi family, the Abdullah family (Farooq and later Omar), as well those associated with the Mufti family that took over using article 370 for their own purposes.
Dropping article 370 breaks the monopoly and control that the Kashmiri elite had enjoyed over the common people these neo feudal parasites have kept under foot for 3 generations. Now business and investment can flow into Kashmir without the local Kashmiri elite mafia demanding a cut and creating business uncertainty.
Your fears that India will try to do Kashmiris what China has already done to the Uighurs (ie flood the region with han to render the Uighurs a minority in their own homeland) is unfounded. India is a democracy, areas of India that have Muslim majority, like in Muslim majority districts of Uttar Pradesh State, have maintained the same demographic balance they have had since Indian liberation from the Evil British Empire 70 years ago, they continue to be predominantly Muslim.
Development, meaning looting and plundering of resources.
https://www.newsclick.in/we-will-continue-fight-people-jk-sitaram-yechury
Do you know who Sitaram yechuri is? Obviously not. You’re quoting a God-hating discredited fake Marxist whose party was decimated in the last election because Muslim voters rejected his party’s duplicity and broken promises: go check the election results yourself and them see what Indian Muslims think of his betrayal of their trust.
Really Faisal all you are doing is giving satisfaction and joy to the “Hindutva” crowd by expressing such frustration and turning to sources in India that even the liberals and Indian Muslims despise.
Look, you have to accept that a lot of what you’ve been lead to believe about Kashmir is Anglo empire originated propaganda back from the days when the USUK were trying to balkanize India (they failed!) and Pakistan was their willing servent. You have to accept the fact no power on this planet can seize Kashmir from India because Kashmir is an integral part of India. This is reality. Even Russia has found itself having to officially state that Kashmir is an internal matter for India and the recent changes made are in Line with the Indian Constitution.
The matter is over, any objections like those expressed by Pepe Escobar in this misguided article are wishful thinking that only serve to amuse the extremist elements in the BJP.
God-hating, Muslims, Marxists, integral part (who told you, God?), who gave you akhand Bharat map (God?) all nonsense and your creations. You seems to be a classic hindutvadi. What the people themselves say? Have your ever gave serious ear to listen to them. In the so-called western democracy, PEOPLE HAVE NO SAY. People are just driven and forced to adapt to a way of life completely against the existence and natural order.
For the fascist rule of India, it is all the territory that matters, not humans and other life forms. Killing innocents, blowing pellets on the childrens as young as 4 years making them blind, raping little girls, mob lynchings, displacing people from their own lands, selling out rivers, mountains to cronies, deforestation and polluting seeds and soils, no justification for these heinous crimes against God.
Human being is the precious creation and you are out to kill them, exterminate them from the land they have been living for thousand of years for your greed and distorted view of life. Go read the history of mankind, nations have been destroyed, for the one and only reason of human rights violations.
You are mentioning God. What do you know about that God? Your laws are not greater than the laws that He created to govern the UNIVERSE. It is He who is running the affairs, not you. As death is certain, so is law of retribution, none can escape.
Dear Faisal,
Could you enlighten us on possibility of retribution for the following?
1. Millions of Hindus have been killed/converted in Pakistan/Bangladesh post 1947. Every year at least a thousand non-Muslim (mainly Christians and Hindus) miner girls are abducted in Pakistan and converted to Islam. Hindus were 20% of the population in Pakistan post-independence. But now they are only 2% while in India their population rose from 8% to 18% during the same time. SO who is fascist?
2. Who have been living for thousands of years on the subcontinent? Hindus, right? Now nearly half of the population of the subcontinent is Muslims, how has that happened? Are these a result of migration? If yes than they’re invaders. If not, they were converted. Did you ever try to learn without bias how did such mass conversion happened (and still happening)? It involved, mass genocide, raping, plundering of wealth and what not and that too for the name of God.
Kashmir is a great example of this. Read this answer by a Kashmiri Pandit of how Kashmir, which was once majority Hindu, got converted https://www.quora.com/As-a-Kashmiri-what-personal-story-would-you-like-to-tell-the-world-through-Quora/answer/Kunal-Dhar-6
So who would be facing retribution for the above and many similar stuff happened in last several centuries?
If India was or has become fascist, you’d have seen mass demolition of mosques and construction of temples on them the way it had happened in medieval India but vice versa (templates were demolished/converted into mosques by barbaric Islamic invaders). Heck BJP, so called Hindu nationalist party, as people like you prefer to call it, not yet able to construct Lord Ram temple in the same place (which is the ancient birthplace of Lord Ram) it stood before a barbaric invader demolished it and constructed a mosque in 16th century. Because Modi prefers to do it the legal way through court. Just keep in mind this place is as sacred for Hindus as Makkah for Muslims.
As you wrote that God’s law is above all, similarly God doesn’t need human beings to increase God’s followers especially at the point of sword. The true God is full of compassion, mercy and truth, and free from all negative human emotions like jealousy, hatred, lust, greed, anger and envy.
Just think of God’s creation and our existence in that. We’re living on a planet which is like a ball in the solar system. The solar system is like a ball in the galaxy which is in turn insignificant in the universe with millions of galaxies. There are countless universes in multi-verse. This is the scale of creation as rishis (seers) in the ancient India have experienced with their inner eye during deep state of samadhi (meditative absorption)
Bharat (India) will certainly attain its glory back. This whole fascism blaim isn’t going to work. Maybe it’s time for retribution. Of all the sins done against Hindus/Bharat in at least last thousand years. But rest assured, India will win world not by sword but by its wisdom again, which is going to flood the world very soon. It will show the light in darkness, the hope in despair, the virtues in vices. Just wait and watch!
Those who live behind the veil of thick lies. Those who see human beings as Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Dalits, Backwards, most backwards, and carry tremendous hatred and prejudices, are not worth response.
Faisal,
Dalits voted for the spoiled brat sunni mafia the controlled Kashmir to be stripped of the unmerited privileges they enjoyed in article 370. What say you now?
You attempt to imply user Indian carries “tremendous hatred and prejudice” with absolutely no justification, is that the best you can do in your response to user Indian?
You need to stop projecting your own traits and actions onto others.
You do realize that the world despises takfiris and fascist Islamic supremacists that metastasized out of Sunni extremist schools of demonic thought like the salafi, wahabi, deobandi, kilafat, and their prototypes from medieval times. Anyone who tries to candy coat their actions and accuse others of fascism looks ridiculous and is on the losing side of history.
[ad hominem removed by The Saker] You tried to establish hindutvadi as a derogatory term re Hindus and accused Anaam of the same. Now you are trying to take high-ground that you don’t see people with their religion.
You tried to profess as a champion of human rights but conveniently ignored the basic human right violations in J&K because of (now abrogated) article 370.
You have blatantly labelled a whole country (India) as fascist and talked about God’s retribution but when you are shown the mirror – the truth of your own country (Pakistan), you realize that you can’t spread lies anymore.
This reply or for that matter all of my comments on this forum aren’t for OP and I don’t expect any discussion because I know and have experienced ISI agents on forums like these abusing and spreading lies about India, Hindus, Modi ETC. My purpose is to demolish the lies people like you are spreading and give truth in whatever little way possible.
“The matter is over”… It isn’t.
https://indianpunchline.com/china-backs-the-opening-of-kashmir-file-in-unsc/
Official myths on J&K busted
https://www.newsclick.in/shyama-prasad-mukherjees-role-official-myths-jk-busted
https://www.counterview.net/2019/08/sardar-patels-notable-achievement-on-j.html?m=1
So you mentioned “nations have been destroyed, for the one and only reason of human rights violations.”
If you are truly in favor of human rights, you’d have rather preferred article 370 gone. How could you choose to ignore these facts facilitated by 370?
1. J&K was also the only Indian state with no tribal rights (and the state had no right to education either).
2. the 20th century’s swiftest forced exodus of a minority community—Hindu Pandits from Kashmir in 1990. Have you ever heard of people becoming refugee in their own nation?
3. J&K women who married non-PRs, lost their PR status and inheritance rights.
4. Article 35A also ensured that the thousands of descendants of Valmikis (Dalits) who were brought in from Punjab as government sweepers in 1957 were never allowed to get any government jobs other than sweepers.
5. Hindu and Sikh refugees from West Pakistan remained non-PR second-class citizens, while Uighur Muslims from Xinjiang were granted PR status.
Also regarding the government plotting demographic change in Kashmir by abrogation, FYI systematic attempts to change demography have been in progress for years in J&K, through settling Muslims in Buddhist-majority Ladakh, and recently, Rohingyas in Jammu.
https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-the-revocation-of-article-370-ends-a-foul-majoritarianism-1565549062884.html
As for the demographic change, no surprise that you choose the example of China and not of your ideological brother Israel. You need not have to assure that no such changes will happen but ground realities does not lie. During last five years of BJP rule, a wave 15 million north Indians arrived and settled in Tamil Nadu, this besides the already existed hundreds and thousands of settlers. Now, another of wave of 25 million is expected in five years time thus overpowering natives. The same is happening in other southern states.
You seem to be coming up with your own theories of these migrations which are otherwise purely caused by economics. I have friends in both Tamilnadu and Kerala and the reasons for these migration they say is because of increase cost of unskilled local workers while the migrated Biharis ETC. are willing to work at far more cheaper price.
Well even Delhi has been flooded over the decades with lot of people from UP/Bihar, changing the demography. It’s all economics
Moreover both of above southern states have been ruled by non-BJP govs for decades so your theories are baseless and you’re trying to create conclusions to suit and further your narative
“There is no guarantee of work in Bihar. Daily wages are also lower. We have been forced to come back and will now have to face difficulties. Had Bihar government created jobs for us, we would not have to run helter-skelter for jobs,”
https://www.newsclick.in/exclusive-what-do-bihari-workers-returning-valley-have-say-about-kashmiris
See you’ve yourself proven my point invalidating your original aligation of deliberate attempt for demographic change. It’s all economics. In India People frequenly migrate to places where they are able to earn more.
Forced migration and they are millions and millions. They were not starving and dying. They were living happily with the trades connected to their environment. And that very environment has been destroyed. Their mountains, their rivers, their forests, their fertile lands everything that makes a person producing and self-sufficient has been taken away with the ultimate objective to force them leave their lands and forests. Otherwise, who will want to migrate to embrace alien place and culture shattering thousands of years of memories?
Pseudo thinkers lament about the world is over populated. Does anybody get into the roots why such a phenomenon is happening. Read what a genuine thinker Dr. Vandana Shiva has to say about this:
“The population explosion is an ecological phenomenon of displacement. Unless we solve that ecological problem of displacing people – to build huge dams, to build motorways, to take away what people need in order to survive – we will keep pumping more and more money into population programs. We will have more and more coercive and violent methods through which women’s bodies are treated as experimental grounds for new contraceptives. Yet we will not have a solution to the problem of numbers.”
What you’re now trying to profess is an entirely different matter related to the modern world and the idea of growth engrained and propagated through western psyche. This isn’t started by India; on the other hand, India, specifically Hindus, have been the only major ancient civilization left on the planet which continue to look up to mountains, rivers, trees and other species as part of the same divine. No doubt a thousand years of constant foreign invasions and a century of western materialistic thoughts have a great impact on this high ideal and hence you’d witness holy rivers with full of dirt (under so called fascist Modi, rivers are finally being cleaned) but then you can’t deny the fact that when your civilization has been under such a prolong attack, when you’re just trying to survive, contradictions are nothing but a natural result.
So, if you truly want to have a broad prospective, a humane outlook, and not narrow/biased view, you should not use foul words and accusations upon such a large and ancient culture.
Dear Anaam
For most history India has been a continent of many states save for a few periods when one state gobbled up the others…this did not last for long. Today India is still the same continent with a number of states in it…just like the continent of Europe. It just so happens that the largest state in India (continent) calls itself India (at least in English).
@TMA. True.
Continents of Turtle Island (what is known today USA and Canada) and India, both shared the same history lately, both colonized by evil British Empire and during the occupation deprived the people of their languages, cultures, arts, trades etcetera thus uprooting people from their origin and finding their differences to further divide and exploit as much as possible.
But the genocide of the inhabitants of the Turtle Island almost to extinction has no match in the history of mankind, from 400 tribes and nations with population of around 100 Million at the time of occupation five centuries ago, today they are hardly 2-3% of the population numbering a few million. Both the countries that we see on the map was a result British consolidation for administrative convenience.
Southern India (Tamils, one of the oldest civilization of the world) was never part of central and northern India, politically and culturally. Earlier civilizations of other part of the world like Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Arabs and Romans, when they refer to trade exchanges with India, they meant Tamil civilization and other parts of India. It is a well recoded historical fact.
India is a union of many nations, primarily Tamil, Bengali, Punjabi, Prakriti. The criminals of existence trying hard to eliminate these peculiarities and characteristics of nations by implementing Anti-Life laws such as common civil code; one country, one language and one law.
The so-called partition of India was never on the basis of religion although it was given communal colour. It was the partition of two great and ancient nations of Punjab and Bengal in order to permanently weaken and control them, as was the the modus operandi elsewhere in Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia etcetera. Imagine a united Punjab and Bengal today with their 150million and 200milliom population respectively. What would have been their power and advancement?
Yes. I agree the partition of ‘British India” was really the partition of Punjab and Bengal. This should not have been the case. But coming back to the issue of Kashmir….Bharat is working with Imposter Israel and is using her inhuman and oppressive techniques on the people of Kashmir. The world needs to know this!
Faisal,
My factual postings seemed to have triggered a lot of anger and frustration in you. At the same time you have not countered me with actual facts and coherent counter arguments. In additional, you continue to avoid address the reality that the Sunni majority of Kashmir terrrorized and drove out 500,000 native Kashmiris Hindus. And now, you find the Uighur demographic question too uncomfortable to deal with because of the slavish sycophancy of Pakistani sellouts and unprincipled establishment to “Iron-Brother”.
There is another example of where a weak state coddled an Islamist based separatism underpinned by a foreign funded violent insurgency and granted virtual independence to them: that would be Russia under the dysfunctional Yeltsin. What was the result? The foreign funded islamofascist Chechnya’s terrorists regime supported by Shamir Basayev, instead of being content with their new found “independence”, rewarded Yeltsin by invading Russia after all their demands were met. Fortunately, Putin showed the world just how to deal with such scum, even to point of being willing to level Grozny (which had been evacuated of civilians) to rid his country of Saudi, Qatari, Western sponsored salafafist/wahabist terrorists.
Kashmir is firmly in india’s control and India will not give up one square inch of it and Kashmir’s youth will integrate fully into the rest of India. That may happen smoothly or with fits and starts, but it will happen, that is a certainty no matter how much it constipates Imran Khan, the Pakistani junta that pulls his strings and the poor brainwashed islamonationalist dupes they’ve cultivated over the years.
Again you are playing communal card. Yours is political point of view, full of ego with no sanity. Mine is humane and universal point of view. There is no point in discussing further.
Nature doesn’t give a damn to what people wish, it has its own laws and principles to govern the Universe. One of the laws is the law of Impermenance. That nothing is permanent. Everything is changing. Do meditate.
Faisal
Your anger and bitterness is plain to see and has probably given immense pleasure to the very people you criticize.
From my observation, none of your posting were humane but rather, appeared to be similar to the writings of closet islamists: where they superficially pretend to care about global justice while glaringly ignore or deflect the vicious agenda and crimes of islamic-nationalists, Salafists and other bungling takfiri fools.) Where are your humane writings for the ethnically cleansed native Hindu Kashmiris? Where is your humane response towards the Uighurs that have been rendered a minority in their own homeland? No answer? There, that proves your concern for human rights is selective and disingenuous, exactly like the Anglo-empire’s selective outrage on human rights.
It’s a bit rich for apologists for Islamic nationalists (aka closet Islamic nationalists) to cry foul in the face of their defeat at the hands of alleged Hindu nationalists on moral or human rights grounds: it’s downright hilarious.
Rather than give advice to mediate perhaps you should follow it. Really!
Truth shall prevail.
please allow me to stoke your fire a bit further: what if your truth doesn’t prevail?
Again you’re spreading lies about India. The so called well recorded history you’re basing your facts about India was recorded by British historians with an agenda to divide India by region, religion and languages. No doubt that there were many political entities in subcontinent over the thousands of years but culturally India has always been on the same pulse. This culture was built by Rishis (seers) based on eternal Veda (infinite laws of the spiritual world).
In fact this Vedic culture had spread not throughout the Asia but also to Africa and Americas but without sword because it is based on wisdom which is universal and liberating. It asks you to discover your own truth, that is, realize that you are that eternal, infinite atman.
There is a story about a lioness, who was big with young, going about in search of prey; and seeing a flock of sheep, she jumped upon them. She died in the effort; and a little baby lion was born, motherless. It was taken care of by the sheep and the sheep brought it up, and it grew up with them, ate grass, and bleated like the sheep. And although in time it became a big, full-grown lion, it thought it was a sheep. One day another lion came in search of prey and was astonished to find that in the midst of this flock of sheep was a lion, fleeing like the sheep at the approach of danger. He tried to get near the sheep-lion, to tell it that it was not a sheep but a lion; but the poor animal fled at his approach. However, he watched his opportunity and one day found the sheep-lion sleeping. He approached it and said, “You are a lion.” “I am a sheep,” cried the other lion and could not believe the contrary but bleated. The lion dragged him towards a lake and said, “Look here, here is my reflection and yours.” Then came the comparison. It looked at the lion and then at its own reflection, and in a moment came the idea that it was a lion. The lion roared, the bleating was gone. You are lions, you are souls, pure, infinite, and perfect. The might of the universe is within you. “Why weepest thou, my friend? There is neither birth nor death for thee. Why weepest thou? There is no disease nor misery for thee, but thou art like the infinite sky; clouds of various colours come over it, play for a moment, then vanish. But the sky is ever the same eternal blue.”
http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_2/jnana-yoga/the_real_nature_of_man.htm
Dear TMA,
thank you for your politely worded posting. I respectfully disagree with you regarding the nature of India, the point of view that you have posted is actually a myth propagated by the British based on using their own misunderstanding of the nature of India. They assumed that India was analogous to Europe, it is not. Unlike Europe, India has had a common ethos, values, ancient law code and religious substrate going back to ancient times which has made all the different and diverse linguistic groups and people’s culturally compatible with their immediate neighbors and even across the continent. Therein lies the difference, India is a continuum of peoples that transition from region to region in a continuous transition not via hard and stark breaks like in Europe. In addition, because the civilization of India is much much older than what remains of Europe’s culture and its original unifying culture and religious ethos (truly European pre-Christian religious beliefs an ethos), India is much farther along than Europe in terms of having developed and retained the cultural tools of handling a heterogeneity both in customs, beliefs, language and even phenotype.
Regarding an example of cultural continuum vis a vis Europe’s more stark polar differences, let’s take example of Punjabh and Rajputana and Gujarat. Both Punjabh and current rajasthan are neighbors yet their languages are mutually intelligible and there was no history of war or ethnic hatred or war between the two (based on ethocultural differences). Now let’s look at Rajputana/Rajasthan and Gujarat, here too, their is a level of mutual intelligibility between the two peoples language and again no history of ethnoculture or nation-states hatred or conflict between them. Now let’s look at Gujarat and their southern neighbors the Marathas again, they have linguistic and cultural affinity (although still being different from each other ) and no history of war based on ethno cultural issues. Immediate neighbors are usually part of a cultural and linguistic continuum, but as you move farther away, mutually intelligibility of the various peoples languages stops; for example there is little mutual intelligibility between Marathi and Punjabi (although their cultural values, ethos and religious essence is basically the same and both languages are direct descendants of Vedic Sanskrit or Prakrit).
Compare the above scenario to just the linguistic differences between immediate neighbors Germany and France (neighbors with mutually unintelligible languages) or the difference between Albania and Italy or the Serbs and the same (again neighbors with mutually unintelligible languages and radically different culture and ethos), or differences between the Hungarians and the Romanians. The differences are more stark.
Another way to understand how India is different than Europe is the different development and evolution of it’s “Hindu” “religion “ ; here we don’t have a pope nor do we have schisms even though their are more theological differences in belief within the Hindu theocratic spectrum (again even this is generally a continium) than the differences within European Christianity (Western Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, the evangelical, the formal Protestant Lutheran or Anglican, the Roman Catholics, etc.).
The history of India is different from Europe and applying a European analogy or template to India is as irrational as applying a European template to understand China.
It is a failure to understand this that is at the core of the frustration, bitterness and surprise experienced by the malicious British establishment, and other pathetic idiotic Indophobes of the time, that India didn’t break apart after the British were given the boot. The colonial parasites were certain after they were ejected out of India, that India would Balkanize soon thereafter (the western msm, particularly British media, kept on prematurely and gleefully predicting the imminent breakup of india, throughout, the sixties, seventies and eighties of the twentieth century whenever a political or ethnic schism seem to crop up. Their frustration was palpable when it stubbornly wouldn’t happen). Now India is more unified than ever so western attempts to fund insurgencies and dissension towards Indian balkanisation has been a money losing failure (also Modi’s government threw out Soros funded Open Society family of “NGOs” as a well the US front .org the National Endowment of Democracy).
To be honest I do not accept your narrative which sounds a lot like the extremist Hindutava narrative but sugar-coated. India (the continent) is more genetically and linguistically diverse than Europe, perhaps even religiously. **This is a fact at least from modern times.**
Notwithstanding neighbouring states being similar as naturally they would as is the case in neighbouring European states.
Modi wants to ‘purify’ India and bring about what you have mentioned in a sugar coated manner. Modi is in bed with imposter Israel and is using Israeli techniques on the people of Kashmir,*most of whom are the descendants from people who converted to the Religion of Abraham (PBUH) from Sanatum Dharm*, which by the way is a very heterogenous way of life, even more so than the Abrahamic faiths. In addition Modi is betraying the very essence of Sanatum Dharm by his blatant oppression in Kashmir. We call upon those righteous minded followers of Sanatum Dharm to denounce the extremist Modi and his party.
Bravo to Saker for allowing this piece of journalism of his website. It is refreshing to see that he is open minded, unlike the sanitised Western media.
One cannot make sense to self opinionated people stuffed with tremendous ego and prejudices towards fellow human beings. They extract their happiness from the sufferings of others. They have designed a world order that’s is completely in conflict with the natural order. They are not just enemy of human beings but anything that is in order. They will corrupt it and take control of it.
An enlightened one writes:
The Homo European: who deserves to live and who doesn’t?
The problem with Iran is not Islam but is nativity. Europe has a problem with Natives and with each people that cling to their culture and Religion and keep their heritage close. The Europeans have lost their identity. They have become nobody. They belong to the firms and cartels and highrises and to the shopping Malls and to the banking systems and educational systems and to Hollywood and you name it. The Europeans are no more connected to their original culture and Religion, they have become totally conditioned. And they have taken Natives into enmity especially when these Natives try to prove themselves and evolve and progress while clinging to their culture. The European does not accept such challenge that jeopardizes their self image. What we are witnessing is the continuation of the war on the Native Nations that started five hundred years ago whereby Native children who spoke their native language in the residential schools were punished by having their tongues pierced with needles. That is is why the Europeans are not lifting a finger to protest against Yemen against children being starved and civilians targeted and a country destroyed and its people genocided. We do not hear any one protesting or raising the voice, but it is a matter that seems accepted and approved of. This might sound strange but this is the truth. As the Native Nations did not deserve to live. So also the Yemenis, the Palestinians, the Iranians and the Syrians and Libyans etc.. do not deserve to live, and the Homo European is totally comfortable with this.
@TMA
You are free to not accept my “narrative”. However, based on your response to me, your own baises are now apparent for the other readers.
Whether India is more genetically diverse or less diverse than Europe is irrelevant, what is relevant is what’s in the heads of people, their upbringing, their ideas, their common values, their mores, their common philosophy and ethos. The software and OS matters more rather than minor variations in hardware.
Polls in India show that the overwhelming majority of followers of Sanatan Dharm support this move by Modi, even two opposition parties, one party being the largest Dalits (so called untouchables, whose leader despises Modi) Party and the other, AAP (a socialist party that also despises Modi) both voted with the BJP/NDA to strip Kashmir of article 370 privileges and to cut the oppressed Ladakh Buddhist minority out from the oppressive control of Kashmir’s Sunni majority.
I’m afraid your appeal to followers of Sanatan Dharm as well as your attempts to tie India to the Empire is going to go nowhere.
Best regards.
It is plain and clear for those who hearts can see that the Modi government of Bharat is in league with the Imposter Israel. Those followers of Sanatum Dharm who think that Modi is doing good are being taken for a ‘ride’…and there are a lot of them unfortunately.
Kashmir is now like the occupied Holy Land. Any human being who can see with his heart, can see the parallels.
Now about ideals, upbringing, philosophy of the people of the continent of India and even within Bharat. There are great similarities but also vast differences…and Modi et al do not wish to accept the [natural] differences but quash them.
Bharat is now a willing partner in what Saker calls ‘AngloZionist’ Empire. Bharat is the most strategic partner of Imposter Israel. If the followers of Sanatum Dharm cannot see this, then it is their folly but even if one of them reads my words and sees the truth of the war mongering and oppressive nature of Modi et al…then this is worth it.
I hope you can see this but if not….too bad.
Finally one western Journalist has the courage to call out India and the Hindutva Zionist apologists come out defending Indian Zionists and lying.
Clearly India is following the Palestine model in Kashmir. Hence the closer ties to Israel. Have some shame and decency. Fear God!
India has been utilising Israeli expertise in the oppression of restless subject Moslem populations, gained by decades of barbaric brutality (the latest the removal of water supplies from the ‘two-legged animals’ in the West Bank, to destruction of their wells and the uprooting of the trees under which their animals sheltered)in the Occupied Territories, for a long time. Islamophobia is a root cause of Israel and India’s love affair. Sad to see India taking the place of apartheid South Africa as a boot-licker to the Zionazis.
@Mulga
Your comparison is invalid:
Palestinians don’t have the right to buy land in Israel, whereas Kashmiris can buy land almost anywhere in India. Palestinians cannot forbid Israelis from buying land in the West Bank or Jerusalem, nor can they stop outright expropriation. Yet Kashmiris, for the last 70 years, can stop any non Kashmiri from buying land in Kashmir (in fact, by default, non Kashmiris are banned from owning property in Kashmir). Palestinians in the occupied territories cannot vote in Israeli elections, yet Kashmiris can vote in Indian elections. Palestinians cannot challenge Israeli supreme Court decisions, yet Kashmiris can legally ignore the Indian supreme Court’s decisions (kashmiri law superceded Indian national law).
You see facts defeat fake news opinions.
I was only talking of the ways and means of repression. Surely you don’t deny that the restive Kashmiris have been ruthlessly repressed for the last thirty years?
@M I surely do deny it because it’s not true.
Surely you don’t deny that Mao was responsible for the death of millions of Chinese via the red guard and cultural revolution and the chaos his coterie unleashed on China rather than gracefully give up power and transition to a new clearly infinitely more competent leader like Deng Xiao Ping, after all this fact was revealed by the CCP itself after the terror of Mao and his wife’s supporters were deposed. Surely you don’t dont think that anyone in China’s government can’t tell if support and praise for china is sincere or disingenuous?
Dear H,
I am not going to curse you and engage in a personal attacks asking you to “have some shame, etc.” as you have done towards me (perhaps out of misplaced anger). No, instead I’m going to sincerely wish that God lift anger and any ignorance from your heart and that you eventually find peace through truth.
Best regards.
Fascist Hindu India has grand designs for the region – the dream of an Akhand Bharat (Greater India) extending from Burma to Afghanistan where only Hindus are the natural citizens and every minority is a second class citizen or even a stateless subject. This discourse is controlled by the upper caste Hindus who use the lower caste Hindus as cannon fodder in carrying out their nefarious program of wiping out the minorities beginning with Muslims. With an ideologically motivated Hindutva terrorist organization like the RSS through its facade the BJP in power, they are using all means to change the constitution and any safeguards and guarantees it offered for the minorities. Already in Assam about 4 million Muslim people have been stripped of their citizenship by labeling them as Bangladeshi – classic Myanmar style suppression and state sponsored terrorism against the Rohingiyas is being copied and followed textbook style in Assam state of India. Kashmir is illegally stripped of the constitutional guarantees with the sole purpose of settling it with Non-Kashmiri Hindus just like Gaza and West Bank in Israel. Israel is supplying the weapons and advisors in all this and providing all kind of support behind the scenes. The new India is showing its real face while the media has been employed to present this genocide of minorities as a routine internal affair. Kashmir is a disputed territory under UN charter. Look at these despicable Hindutva goons who are trying their best to hide this genocide under media blackout. These enemies of humanity are like shameless scum who have sold their souls to the devil. And look at the people commenting on this forum expressing their support for the Hindutva plan. Pathetic.
@A concerned citizen
Your posting is an exercise in projecting onto others what your own ethno religious or ideological group itself is already guilty of. Your embellishments on the already ridiculous fantasy of an Akhand Bharat held by some illiterate bumpkins in India is imaginative. Unfortunately, those embellishments are a little too foreign to fit in with the mindset found in India, even amongst Hindu circles, those embellishments (second class citizens, etc) are more typical of Hollywood or a bad computer game plot.
Kashmir was legally stripped of the privileges that coddled the elitist Sunni mafia in Srinagar used to treat Kashmir as a personal feudal domain. It is a wonderful development.
Best regards.
Pakistan is spreading miss-information about India because it knows that there’s no more possibility of sponsoring separatist and very difficult to send and hide terrorist in Kashmir. It has lost four wars against India and thereby lost hope of capturing Kashmir by military means. It has also now lost the cowardly instrument of terrorism as a war for Kashmir it had been employing for three decades hence all this hue and cry.
You obviously dont count the brutal repression of kashmiris as striking terror and that any home grown anger should boil over.
Welcome to the world of Zio-US logic!
The Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge is immutable, while the inclusion of Hong Kong in the Greater Bay Area development scheme is problematic. The former object exists and will be used as much or as little as Hong Kongers choose. The latter opportunity requires participation of Hong Kongers in the evolution of the Greater Bay Area, a dynamic that may or may not be affected by the current protest movement.
The physical reality of the bridge is the pathway to success and wealth, changing the isolation of Hong Kong to a permanent symbiotic appendage to the Mainland.
When this protest finally runs out of energy (money infused by the CIA, State Dept and Mi6) the vast majority of Hong Kongers will have a choice—to join the future represented by the Greater Bay Area or sequester in a moribund economy and social scene that is a cul-de-sac, shaped by the US and UK as a fester.
The Mainland waits, patiently.
Given the current geopolitical climate – patience is costly!
I personally think they will be dropped
partly also to show the rest of ASEAN how the Ongoing rules will be…
if they see china is willing to drop HK – once called THE PEARL – everyone in Asia will sit up and really straight
ppl in Asia are still fond of the old “4 little dragons” (esp taiwan)
now china will show them the BIG dragon is back! (last seen in Qing dynasty)
I am not that optimistic for the HK locals…
The Hong Kong locals will be fine as part of the largest economy on Earth, ruled by meritocrats whose aim is the benefit of all, not just Chinese but in the world, rather than the Western system where the populace is sacrificed to feed the insatiable greed of the ruling parasite classes. The treacherous compradore vermin on the US payroll, with their loyalty to the West, which actually hates them and all Chinese as ‘mere Asiatics’, can go to Hell, or learn manners and morality.
No Hong Kong locals will not be fine: Mr. “?” Is right, because these ingrates have shown themselves to be unreliable, Beijing will shift their development and focus towards Shanghai as the financial center and bridge to the world, then they will let natural economic forces gradually render Hong Kong back to the backwater port it used to be. Remember, without the artificial impetus of the cash from British drug dealing opium trade, Hong Kong had really zero features to merit the status and development level it has today.
There you go again, acting like you know more than a local chinese like me. “?”. Can you supply actual facts instead of cocksure off the cuff opinions? I’m genuinely interested in knowing why is it that you think HK will be fine; do you have specific knowledge regarding HK’s economic features or location that leads you to this conclusion?
I think HK will be fine because the Chinese authorities have no reason to treat them otherwise. Hong Kong will be part of the Pearl River megalopolis and high-tech centre that will render ‘Silicon Valley’ quaint. The Hong Kong traitors and compradore scum will not do so well. The richer ones will, no doubt, head off for their spiritual homes in the UK (what’s left of it) and the USA (in time for the Second Civil War)and the lumpen dupes will just have to make do.
@Mu
No, no HK won’t be alright. I think user “?” who is Chinese and lives/lived there would be far more qualified to understand his/her own country. Shanghai, is where the action is, but then again if one actually travelled to China and spoke mandarin one would know that instead being unilingual Anglophone prognosticating about a region only seen through idealistic eyes but not through actual experience or native knowledge of the business and cultural environment nor the mindset of its political class.
The various news media channel are now reporting that troop movements from Shenzhen to HK have been detected: I sure hope we don’t get a bloodbath there, but it could very likely happen. After HK’s reputation within the central committee and chinas business circles will be trash. Then the slow squeeze of natural capital flows going elsewhere will begin: Shanghai will benefit, and Xiang gang (HK) will slowly wither away.
Hi Larchmonter445
I’m afraid you are misinformed about the geography of Hong Kong. The Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge has not changed Hong Kong’s isolation. Hong Kong has never been isolated because it shares a border with Shenzhen.
The bridge does provide quick access to western parts of the Greater Bay Area.
There are signs that the Mainland is losing its patience. There have been reliable reports that large numbers of People’s Armed Police (PAP) officers have been spotted in Shenzhen. (The PAP is a paramilitary police force.) They could come to Hong Kong in a matter of minutes.
Cheers
I agree with the section on Kashmir. But as for Hong Kong all the articles on RT believe that China is preparing to send massive more police or army troops to HK and end the rioting. China while maybe not needing HK,isn’t about to give up one inch of China’s territory. As can be seen with the Taiwan issue,and the South China Sea islands issue.China takes the defense of what she believes is Chinese territory very seriously.And if a few lone islands far away,and a Taiwan across a strait,is taken so seriously.A HK right on the edge of mainland China,would be even more seriously taken.I remember in 2014 reading one of Orlov’s blog posts about Ukraine. He said the Chinese were scratching their heads over Yanukovich’s allowing the maidan to become such a problem.That they thought the obvious answer was to send the army to crush the uprising,shoot the leaders causing the problems,and case solved.I doubt after seeing the disaster of Yanukovich’s weakness.And the US color revolution programs,that they have changed their minds about how to deal with foreign backed unrest.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/466165-hong-kong-unrest-west-struggle/
Yes! You are absolutely right…
China will not give an inch on the land of her rightful territory
and you are right about the Taiwan issue too
What I fear is that HK is about to get the Taiwan-treatment
Taiwan now has only few international-friends that can legally trade with them
By the end of the year it may drop to single digit
How would the local Taiwan ppl live without trade with the wider world?
Now in Taiwan already some opposition party is calling to use RMB only as currency in fear nobody else would take their taiwan-dollar
That’s what I meant ‘Drop’ – meaning not longer prioritise them and instead deliberately put them in the backdrop.
Imagine HK is no longer the international hub for world finance and storage for physical gold.
That’s a BIG DROP!!!
HK has nothing else to offer the world literally when china has all the tourist-stuff any one can fancy – You can even be emperor for the day in China if you are willing to spend.
But this is clearly the pride of Mao Long War strategy – They fought the Jap for 8 LONG years and eventually tough it out by ‘starve the beast’
while try to minimise the local ppl getting kill and/or use as human-shield and/or bargaining chip
They also have, in the Long War, deliberately ‘desecrate’ a place so the enemy can’t use it or are force to leave or don’t see value in occupying it.
Again if HK is no longer a financial hub, would it not be back to the backwater port it was?
The CCP under Xi wants to HK-Taiwan ppl to choose them and they can afford to wait it out
but for the HK ppl – many generations could have passed before CCP come back to redevelop it, of course with the Chinese law as condition.
That’s why I am not that optimistic for the HK locals… and see them as collateral damage in the colour-clown show. They just made it easier for the CCP to reclaim HK clean and sweet! Possibly even getting rid of the lingering England-share of the pie.
Just my opinion…
I read in an article a while back that hundreds of thousands (maybe more) of Hong Kong residents still have dual Chinese/British citizenship from the colonial days. I guess as a “poison pill” when they were leaving the British gave out British citizenship to anyone in the colony that wanted it. Now would be a good time for China to cancel that.And make the residents choice,Chinese OR British citizenship only.Wave a fond farewell to those choosing British citizenship. I’m sure the British would “welcome” with open arms (sarcasm) hundreds of thousands of penniless people back “home” to the islands.Who might not even speak English.Have never seen Britain.And have lived all their lives in a South China climate.Ah well,fun times.
I always enjoy Pepe’s writing, but this time he blasted the ball out of the park.
“HSBC holds $2.6 trillion in assets and an intergalactic horde of cockroaches in their basement – asking serious questions about money laundering and dodgy deals operated by global turbo-capitalist elites.
In the end, Hong Kong will be left to its own internally corroding devices – slowly degrading to its final tawdry status as a Chinese Disneyland with a Western veneer.”
I suspect he let this uncensored diatribe out because he was (1) in a hurry, and (2) he didn’t care what anybody thinks. Bravo, Pepe!
I think we are all pretty jaded, having seen this movie called “color revolution” “regime change” so frequently that it all blends into the same bad dream. What is truly different is that the local authorities have sat for the Russian course on spotting and thwarting these games and are coming up with truly unexpected responses.
“What these protests have accelerated is Beijing’s conviction that Hong Kong is not worth its trust as a key node in China’s massive integration/development project. ”
It also looks like India and Pakistan did not sit for the Russian course. Maybe some of them do want to fight.
Thanks Pepe for highlighting the plight of the kashmiris. They have long been ignored by the world at large. They have particularly endured brutal repression for the last 30 years. This situation is most dangerous. India unilaterally removing their special status (only accorded on the basis of respecting their right to self determination) is a blow to their long struggle.
https://www.icj.org/india-ending-autonomy-of-jammu-and-kashmir-fans-flames-of-existing-human-rights-crisis/
In addition to this legal contravention, hailing it is a historic move while imprisoning them in arguably the most militarised region on earth under media and civil shutdown and placing its leaders under house arrest shows the clear hypocrisy of this address and its aggressive nature.
It is a worrying situation and one that will most likely backfire and become bloody as you suggest ‘blowback’. The shift towards right wing nationalism has already reared its ugly head in sections of Indian society, with mob attacks on muslims, instilling fear and polarising society. It is leading to the well intentioned indians at large from speaking out to avoid accusations of being unpatriotic. Policing of society already a tragic state. Personally it reminds me of the descent of Ukraine towards fascism to the detriment of Russians, Ukrainians with neutral inclinations and the targetting of their faith.
Furthermore, the close relationship India is fostering with Israel cannot go unmentioned. India being Israel’s largest arms market and closely allied with its intelligence apparatus. Essentially, the Hindutva ideology of the current leadership shares similarities with Zionist aspirations of supremacy, particularly over a islamic adversary. Is it really any surprise Israel being pally with right wing groups and how such partners become like them eg US, Ukraine, Saudi, Brazil to the utter detriment of their populations. Hitler comes to mind too and his pact with Zionists.
If a picture tells a story the very warm embrace and hospitality Indian PM Modi recieved in the arms of Satanyaho must be one such picture.
https://youtu.be/yasag5RphLU
https://youtu.be/al3RQPfLH1s
Actually, Israel is seemingly using India for a muliple of reasons and the Indian regime is happily obliging. Pakistan is a target of Israel and wants it down on its knees. It is using India for this purpose which agrees with its nationalistic ambitions. In the event of any big war Israel does not want any viable threat from a muslim nation. It has sufficiently ravaged most of the muslim world using western cohorts primarily as well as Saudi treachery. Pakistan is a credible threat with nuclear weapons. This is another reason why US wont pull out of Afghanistan. Having said that Pakistan is party to brokering any potential peace deal in Afghanistan. So any US pullout and normalising of relations strengthens pakistans position. Already enjoying friendly relations with Turkey and China and this threat looks more credible.
Clearly Israel would like war between India and Pakistan and this prospect has certainly been agitated with the kashmir issue. Imran Khan is wisely taking all diplomatic solutions and doesnt want war. But it can be provoked with further Kashmir bloodshed. Similar to Russians agitating for intervention upon seeing their kindred in culture and faith brutally oppressed. The difference is that Pakistan has been watching over the border for decades not years.
Sadly, Hindutva ideology covets the whole of kashmir and it senses an opportunity in fighting a weakened pakistan in some turmoil. Military skirmishes along the border can ignite this. A false flag cannot be ruled out either.
Further alarm for pakistan is that water resources are at depleted levels and Pakistan which shares, by treaty, water sources running through Indian administered kashmir. There have been threats from the indian side about cutting this off during tensions and is essentially an existential crisis. The threat of losing Kashmir would exaserpate this crisis and enhance a state of brinkmanship.
Clearly, Pakistan has a lot to lose and isn’t in a strong position at all militarily, economically and strategically. So Pepe is right that Imran Khan will pursue diplomatic and international arbitration to the kashmir issue which is and was the only real solution. Despite both countries bearing responsibility for kashmir’s suffering and both claiming it for different reasons, pakistan has on numerous occassions called on the international bodies and UN resolutions to be implemented as a matter of great importance. India has firmly rejected these proposals as well as the UN resolutions passed respecting the right of kashmiris to end the suffering and to prevent an escalation towards brinkmanship and war. Alas, it seems too late and international inaction certainly carries its share of blame.
Finally, i will add that i believe a new front has been opened that targets china. China is the major threat to the existing Zionist/western supremacy status quo. Embroiling india in a war with pakistan will severely disrupt the flagship CPEC corridor and is thus in the interests of the Zionist Anglo Americans not to mention India being an adversary to both pakistan and china. Hence, the archtitecs of this dangerous approach seem as stated above, with Israel taking the intiative. A development clearly not in pakistan or china’s progress. Pakistan’s potential future is reliant on the CPEC investments and becoming a major transit hub through its strategic location with the Indian ocean. China’s very real plans to build a naval port in Gwadar only adds to the overall hypothesis of countering a strategic and friendly Pak China alliance.
In reference to Gwadar above it becomes somewhat clear that the insurgency active their has the fingerprints of the usual suspects as well as India.
I can only say I hope a firm and active diplomatic struggle can diffuse the dangerous situation in kashmir and I sincerely hope its people are granted their rights from which they have long struggled and endured.
CPEC travels through disputed territory and China is well aware of this. It’s equivalent to US laying a bridge between Fujian province and Taiwan. I’m sure the readers here sorta know that PoK is disputed territory and funny enough there’s hardly any news from there as it’s under virtual news blackout.
CPEC may be Pakistan’s lifeline but they should spend money on building institutions and economy than letting the ISI rule the country that drops all its cash on propping Taliban up. Then they have to go pan handling to the Americans and Saudi’s who will ask a lot more than a pound of flesh. Thus the cycle of misery continues.
India does not fight with Pakistan. Pakistan (ISI) does it to keep the flame of their bitter losses to India alive. If they stop, there will be peace overnight in that ‘hood. Guaranteed. Honestly, India has its own problems and they’d rather be focussing on growth than these jingoistic adventures.
Well said Mr Abdullah. Its what i have been thinking too.
It looks like India 5rupees trolls are flooding everywhere of English medium, from Quora, youtube, msm, forums, to even our local newspapers like parasites. Lot of propaganda & lies, hate-China, hate-Muslims, hate-locals,..India is just a triplet of ZUS-Israel to incite racial & religion disharmony. They bring hatred & violence to wherever they touched.
US declared India & Israel as their closest allies.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/americas-future-india-israel-21629
This is real India, the most cruel nation that invaded every single neighbors since independent 1947. Massacre all men and gang raped women for ethnic cleansing over last 72yrs. History don’t lied.
India untold incredible cruelty in Nagaland concealed by West.
https://www.quora.com/profile/Dawny-Raikhan
India extreme cruelty in Kunan Poshpora
https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2013/11/untold-story-alleged-mass-rapes-indian-army-kunan-poshpora/
72yrs history of India endless invasion sprees since 1947.
https://www.quora.com/Did-Indians-invade-or-rule-any-country-in-the-past/answer/Thomas-Edward-71
India invaded Singapore with US CIA help using Weapon of Mass Migration. To threaten China in Malacca Straits.
https://www.quora.com/Will-Singapore-be-dominated-by-Indians/answer/Thomas-Edward-71
These are how India treating J& Kashmir people to fuel hatred.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/world/asia/kashmir-attack-pulwama.html
How India justify its invasion of Kashmir.
https://lostkashmirihistory.com/exposing-the-kp-exodus/
India terrorism bombing Chinese consular in Pakistan no West want to talk about.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/terrorist-involved-in-the-china-consulate-attack-in-karachi-assassinated-in-afghanistan-who-was-behind-it/5664035
Indians are proud of their RAW cruelty and dirty wars.
https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/top-10-known-operations-of-raw.54777/
Why India is working closely with US & Isreal now? Its a imploding nation that needs to export its 1600M jobless problem to the world.
https://www.quora.com/Will-India-be-the-number-1-superpower-as-US-India-propagate-or-implode-with-1-6B-unemployable-poorly-educated-population-by-2030
Hello Edison,
I think the 5 rupee trolls you’re talking about must be from Pakistan – afterall the rupee is also the currency of Pakistan (even if the Pakistani version continues to collapse in value). As for your posting it seems to be the typical projection one expects from apologists for Wahhabi inspired terrorism oozing from the dysfunctional state of Pakistan.
The reality is that Kashmir is an integral part of India and there’s nothing a weak and discredited state like Pakistan can do about it. Logically, hatred and resentment flows from the losing party, ie., Pakistani Islamists and their misguided sympathizers in liberal-left quarters of the British media and malevolent New York Times, not the side that has won, ie the Indians. Russia has sided with India, are you saying that Putin is full of hate for doing this?
Iran is not a state sponsor of terrorism like the lie-making machine of Fox News and sold out to the neocons Anglo media projects, it’s Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Qatar that are the real culprits. Those are the facts.
Haha you’re talking about Indian spreading hatred everywhere but look what you’ve done immediately after that. Your collection of articles about India is full of hatred and lies. When your own house is of glass don’t throw stones at others’
In the penultimate paragraph ‘in reference to Gwadar’ should have read Balochistan. A province of pakistan wherein is located Gwadar.
In the end, Hong Kong will be left to its own internally corroding devices – slowly degrading to its final tawdry status as a Chinese Disneyland with a Western veneer. Shanghai is already in the process of being boosted as China’s top financial center. And Shenzhen already is the top high-tech hub. Hong Kong will be just an afterthought.
If what I’m reading in the news about the horrendous population problem of Hong Kong, are people really packed in like sardines there, do people really live in such crowded apartments that bunkbeds are ones only place of refuge ? If so then those ghost cities the central planners of China built may have a use soon enough?
After handover, Beijing-HK gov wanted to build public apartments like Singapore to resolve the hyper property speculation problem.
But HK property tycoons and HK property owners fearing losing their property value, had protest and strike down the solution.
11 HK tycoons control 90% of HK economy in every public utilities. They met up Pompeo to discuss on HK riots. These are the big sponsors of riots.
According to Chinese, the ghost cities that West publicized, are actually cities built by Inner Mongolia people with so much cash generated from coals(over 40yrs of power generation) and rare earth(up till now). These Mongolians just kick two huge gold mines don’t know how to spent. But these cities are already well occupied since. Inner Mongolia per capital is higher than ave cities.
Pakistan has much to lose and has been calling for dialogue and arbitration of kashmir’s right according to legal and UN resolutions. India has always avoided this. How can that mean India seeks peace and not confrontation. It certainly indicates they want to take unilatetal action and have no care for the kasmiris, who have suffered tremendously. Try to be objective and look at the reality on the ground. This peaceful approach under severe lockdown has brought more kadsmiris together with increased resentment and betrayal. A foolish and dangerous step. Like i said the transition to a right wing Hindutva ideolgy and a friendship with Israel is a recipe for disaster. A tragedy for indians and pakistanis at large.
Thank you Mr. Escobar. No journalist in the alternative media so far has had the courage to call out India, maybe because of Indias somewhat leftist past which is quickly morphing into right wing fascism. And countries are silent because of economics. We weren’t alive when they did this to Palestine. But we are alive now, and if India annexes, occupies and makes a Palestine of the east while we remain silent, then truly we are a pathetic people. The fact that you visited both Kashmir’s and felt the difference was also refreshing to hear. Do visit Azad Kashmir again. Thank you again
There is a sinister nexus between ‘Hindutava’ and ‘Zionism’. Call it a convergence of interests…and NATO has bases in Afghanistan…Pakistan ishola being set up to be the next Libya or Syria…
not invasion! Imran Khan should be on the lookout for his own personal Pakistani color revolution. already Khan is too much in the interest of his county as PM, to suit the empire
I think Khan is in danger. I would be very very careful if I were him
I feel sorry for Mr Khan. He’s neither a thinker, strategizer or a slick politician. Nor does he have a good bunch of strategic advisors. Sadly that’s the state of Pakistan. It’s political bench is very weak and they’re either in jail or have fled the country. What’s left is this veneer of democracy when its defacto ISI rule.
The county should just go back to a Zia-ul-Haq style military rule, now that they have propped up Taliban to rule Afghanistan. They can enable these proxies to target China and Caucusus as their masters will command. In return they’ll get billion $ loans and shiny toys. Sadly though, the Kashmir game is over. Any more attacks on a state of a country will be considered outright war.
I think in all honesty, Modi called the bluff and cleaned up the all the chips on the poker table. It is one giant flush and close. Game over.
Well said regarding Modi’s calling the narco terrorist states bluff, them same was done by converting Ladakh into a Union Territory, hence some incoherent statement emanating from certain quarters of Beijing’s foreign ministry: it suddenly dawned on them that any future misadventure border crossing now can be considered an act of war.
“You have to accept the fact no power on this planet can seize Kashmir from India because Kashmir is an integral part of India. This is reality”
You really showed your true colours with that one. Sounds right out of Netanyaho’s mouth itself!
If you’re a reader of Sherlock Holmes, here’s a famous line:
Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): “Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?”
Holmes: “To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.”
Gregory: “The dog did nothing in the night-time.”
Holmes: “That was the curious incident.”
Exactly. US/UK/China/Russia/Israel/SaudiArabia/France/Canada did not say a word. Guess why?
@anonymous Sherlock Holmes fan:
Neither did Russia say anything, (other that support the Indian position), so what’s your point?
In fact, since the USUK-A-CK (A is for Australia, K is for New Zealand which is also known as Kiwiland and C is for Canada) and NATO said nothing, and Russia supported the Indian position, ergo that only implies that the West has sour grapes about this but due to their hope that India will help them contain China, they’re simply biting their tongues in grudging acceptance and in recognition of their inability and impotence in being able to dictate terms to India.
Russia, on the other hand, does not have any such egotistical & malevolent hang ups and therefore gave clear backing to the Indian position..
Yes, one could argue that would be a more logical explanation.
@Anaam. My point? It’s in the quote. They all knew that it was all legal and fair and not a single bullet was fired or a drop of blood shed. They may be begrudingly moaning that this game is over, then, for a long time India was ruled by the leftist lackeys.
Thanks for the clarification, I obviously didn’t get the symbolism and references: thank you.
Much better that India be run by Hindutva fascists and lickspittles of the West. India will not exist in its current form in twenty, perhaps fewer, years. It is one of the regions that will be most devastated by the ecological Holocaust, particularly climate destabilisation. It is a great pity that at such a time it is run by malevolent incompetents like Modi and the BP, as the demonetarisation fiasco showed.
Mulga you calling anyone a lickspittle is highly inappropriate and extremely ironic given your own utter lack of objectivity with respect to China.
You can’t have it both ways, on the one hand you’ve referred to Modi as a dangerously assertive and fast acting leader who is rapidly implementing his agenda. Now here you claim he’s incompetent, how absurd! You contradict yourself: He can’t be incompetent if, according to you, he’s successfully and very rapidly implementing his agenda. Can you make up your mind.
BTW I give free unrestricted license for anyone to use the acronym USUK-A-CK.
(In case it wasn’t invented previously)
Best regards.
All the countries that you have mentioned are under fascist rule and axis of evil. They will not stand for the oppressed people anywhere in the world because they are the oppressors themselves. Some may take role to side with oppressor but that is just to fool the people.
Tide will change. Rejoice till then!
Faisal,
User anonymous listed the following countries:
“US/UK/China/Russia/Israel/SaudiArabia/France/Canada”
You then claimed that “All the countries … [he] mentioned [as quoted above] are under fascist rule and axis of evil.“
You did notice that China and Russia were on that list, right? Are you now claiming that Russia and China are fascist states and are part of the axis of evil? Really? That would be consistent with the views of a frustrated islamofascist or a supporter of the Empire.
Are there any other rakes you want to step on?
No Abdullah, you should refrain from personal attacks and stop projecting your own issues onto me. If anyone is showing their true colors it’s you.
You still have not addressed the ethnic cleansing of Kashmir’s 500,000 native Hindu minority at the hands of the “poor and oppressed” Kashmiri Sunni majority. Each time you’ve been asked this question, you’ve tried to skirt it.
The pattern of Sunni islamist terrorism steming from saudi, Qatari and Pakistan quarters can be seen from the massacres of Christians, Alawites and other Shia in Syria, yazidis, Christians and Shia in Iraq, and finally, from Shias regularly butchered in Pakistan. The whole world has seen how Sunni majorities treat their minorities, nobody in China, India Russia or even the West need lectures on human rights from those that themselves have such an atrocious record of religious supremacy.
You will notice I did not single Shia majority societies for the same criticism: that’s because Shia Islam, by its very nature, supports plurality, and hence it is relatively tolerant and has viable minority religious communities living under their protection (like the Alawites, the Druze, Christians, the yazidis, Baha’i and even Zoroastrians).
You cannot deny the abysmal and abusive record of Kashmir’s Sunni majority towards the religious minorities (Hindus and Buddhists) that were under their boot so you try to hide or try to obfuscate the point.
Again, no matter how often you argue here, it will not change the fact that neither weak and bankrupt Pakistan, nor any other state can change the fact that Kashmir is an integral part of India and that the integration will only accelerate faster as a result of this wise decision by the Indian State.
Here is a link to live video of the Hong Kong colour revolution continuing today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVFoFNsfISc&feature=youtu.be
Massacre of 2000+ innocent human beings besides other atrocities in Gujarat in 2002 is well recorded around the world and also in the UN. Can you substantiate your claims of half a million people genocided by the people of ‘other faith’? Not with your propaganda stuffs -like holocaust theory- but from the international sources. Sane people would have raised their voices of condemnation across the world. UN would have issued statements and even had present on the ground for rehabilitation.
Thank you for all those people who commented and called out India. Obviously one can tell from this thread that “individuals” were purposely sent to comment on this article because the Israeli/hindu zionists went in to panic mode. Because even on leftists or alternative sites, we rarely get to see an article which speaks about India in a negative light. But the truth is that India is heading towards Fascism and they are playing in the hands of Israel and the empire willingly. India is being used by Israel to attack and engage Pakistan, so when Israel launches its big war for greater Israel, the only Muslim country with nukes would be engaged and fighting for its own survival and will be unable to do anything about it. The Pakistani people/200+ million (not governments) are the most anti-Israel people in the Muslim world today. This is the truth, and that is why India must engage or remove Pakistan from the equation on behalf of Israel. They plan and Allah plans, and Allah is the best of planners. Thank you again to Mr. Escobar and the Saker. Hope they bring out more info about zionist India, the world needs to know this.
I hope the Pakistani people realize the game plan.
Jeremy Corbyn Faces India’s Troll Army on Kashmir
https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/6/17401/Jeremy-Corbyn-Faces-Indias-Troll-Army-on-Kashmir
Good.
It’s high time the looney liberal socially debauch left in the anglosphere get called out for their sympathy for Sunni islamists.
Ahh the frustration of the western social liberals and the Islamists they’ve shacked up with is delectable.
I’d like to comment on the following part in Mr Escobar’s article: “There are other components, of course. The fact that Hong Kongers are right to be angry about what is a de facto Tycoon Club oligarchy controlling every nook and cranny of the economy.”
Hong Kongers are certainly right to be angry about the oligarchy that controls the local economy, but the current riots aren’t about the oligarchy. The colour revolutonaries have sucessfully scapegoated the local government, the communists, mainlanders. If you read their propaganda then you’ll see that the scapegoats are thoroughly demonized, but the oligarchs are usually invisible or are just alluded to in passing.
Just think about the places that have been attacked: the legislature, police stations, police quarters, the Liaison Office of the Central People’s Government in the Hong Kong – a main symbol of Hong Kong being a part of China, but no symbol of the oligarchy or anything remotely related to it. The mob targets the travel industry specifically but not the oligarchs’ much bigger real estate industry, or banks for that matter. According to colour revolutionary propaganda, “democracy” is the panacea for all of Hong Kong’s problems. By “democracy” the colour revolutionaries mean their coming to power and an independent Hong Kong. Since they are bred by the NED, the CIA, Soros, etc, no one in their right mind could imagine that “democracy” would touch a hair of the oligarchy’s head.
On the other hand the oligarchy has tolerated the colour revolution. After two months of unrest, it was only last week that the big real estate developers issued a joint (perfunctory, IMHO) statement against the riots. Li Ka-shing, the richest man in Hong Kong, who is normally very vocal, has remained quiet about the riots. A significant part of the oligarchy has even actively collaborated with the colour revolution. Media outlets that it controls have given tremendous support to the colour revolution and have whitewashed it so much that public support for it remains strong. Here is a minor but telling example of the attitude of the oligarchy: A couple of days ago the management of a shopping mall that a big real estate developer owns complained that police officers showed up unannounced during a riot to use the bathrooms there.
To the seekers of truth…
https://indianpunchline.com/indias-narrative-on-jk-is-hyperbolic/
https://scroll.in/latest/933560/j-k-group-of-kashmiri-pandits-dogras-sikhs-call-centres-decision-undemocratic-unconstitutional
Anaam.
If you had read my post concisely you would have noted I stated,
“Despite both countries bearing responsibility for kashmir’s suffering and both claiming it for different reasons”
In this is included the injustice to the Hindu Pandits expulsion, for which I believe they certainly have the right of repatriation. The repression of muslim kashmiris for many decades is equally reprehensible as is kashmiris in general being precluded from legal steps on their autonomous status in a complete lockdown essentially annexing the region.
There has to be a sincere effort towards this issue from both perspectives. The controversies run deep from Hindu rule, Muslum rule, sikh rule and british involvement.
My contribution centred on a geopolotical perspective where it looks to me India has outwitted pakistan but in a manner that is dangerous and malevolent. India is falling into the trap of zionist machinations but this is only possible beacuse of the ultra nationalist ideology of the RSS and BJP. This unilateral approach will draw the ire of pakistan as expected in an already warming up volcano. Both being nuclear powers massively increases the size of that volcano. But it may subside (although the civilian clampdown suggests otherwise), unless the folly goes further towards pakistan with the ultimate aim of disrupting CPEC. This is the question, does India seek a multipolar transition respecting states with mutual benefit or is it being misguided for outside interests to its own peril and unstability. Its actions indicate negatively for which reason i mentioned its involvement in the separatist movement of Balochistan (the irony should not be missed here).
Nevertheless, this will take some undoing and the task of the international community and sane voices need to be made.
India caught lying
https://www.thequint.com/news/politics/kashmir-situation-soura-srinagar-protest-bbc-aljazeera-reuters-home-ministry
Some aspects of the special status and article 370
https://www.thequint.com/news/law/article-370-jammu-and-kashmir-not-temporary-supreme-court-sampat-prakash-santosh-gupta-case
https://www.thequint.com/videos/understanding-jammu-and-kashmir-article-370-with-air-vice-marshal-retd-kapil-kak
That is an opportunistic and arbitrary perspective that serves the redundancy of incessant repetition useful for indoctrination. Of oneself as much as anybody else. America works for Israel’s interests even if it is not in its own interests. India has no need nor interest nor ability to do so. India’s interests and Israel’s interests on this issue are irreconcilably opposed. Israel does not want America distracted by Afghanistan, when it wants America to double down on its Masochistic insanity in going after Iran. And nobody cares if Afghanistan is abandoned to the morbidity and fundamentalism of Pakistan and the Taliban after the Americans inflicted that plight on the Afghans. When the Soviets were coerced out of Afghanistan in the late 80’s the entire Jihadi apparatus descended on Kashmir. How home grown that is might present itself if you differentiate between indoctrination and self-immolation, in the interests of subtle History if it ever occurred to anyone that there is such a thing
That’s not going to happen again, if India and perhaps Russia can deter it. I’ll tell you what happened though, this is a good story. When the Donald met Imran, Imran dithered a bit and then put his foot in his mouth. The Donald says, hey I can do that too and shows everybody how it’s done. Then he puts it in Imran’s mouth spontaneously and Imran shows he can do that too almost involuntarily. Now given this unusual circus act that hey have stumbled upon the only exit for them is to do the Sunni dance and the Donald exclaims that he has great chemistry with the Khan and reminds everyone how he like sports people. And then from an yet undisclosed organ he articulates – I met Modi he wants me to mediate in Kashmir and I would love to
If Modi had wanted that by now the RSS and Modi himself would have mutually agreed that Modi had better leave to Pakistan right away. The Israelis, Sunnis/Arabs have tendencies for each other, they have similar genealogy or whatever. The Indians, Shias and Russians tend to have tendencies as well. Given margins of subtlety however incongruous the landscape maybe it’s not black and white. On that note, and domain inflections, the descent of Pepe to the aplomb of a political hack with geopolitical pretensions might be analogous to his adoration of a soulless , inscrutable, spiritually petrified Chinese state religiosity/mechanism/machine. The other half of China is Buddhist though and Xi’s wife I hear is a devout Buddhist. We’ll see. Morsels of civilizational possibility is always worth chewing on.
The above response is to what Abdullah said at the outset
**India is falling into the trap of zionist machinations but this is only possible beacuse of the ultra nationalist ideology of the RSS and BJP **
I missed this and it was added in the latter post which is a repetition except for this quote :)
Forum Moderator – I am quite familiar with these subjects. Please someone provide evidence of “India falling into the trap of zionist machinations and RSS and BJP.” 1.3 Billion Hindus can’t all be low IQ monkeys and yet be able to withstand all of the foreign and domestic pressures to break it apart and now push back. But, more curiously, what is wrong with a nationalist ideology and especially Hindu Nationalism? Are posters suggesting that Islamic Countries are all Allah’s Paradises with their Islamism and Sharia?
Please note that I reply only because I view this site as having potential to really become a place for honest, civil and fact-based discussions and debates. Thus, I attempt to minimize posts that contain people’s feeling of inadequacies, insecurities, and sense of utter failure with respect to others..Peace
Paul Mangalik – You cant say 1.3 billion Hindus cant be all low IQ monkeys and then demonstrate an unprecedented IQ crash in all that you post
Also try this – one minute you may have no IQ at all and the next minute Voila! some IQ may have creeped into you. You can try this right now you will do yourself and everyone a favor
Please, enlighten me oh great Confucious about RSS and BJP
Do you know what above response means ? I’ve posted/contested about the very question you are asking and much more
Look at the posts before yours. Read and read again before you embarrass yourself and everyone you speak for again
Thank you Paul,
You hit upon the very point that I’ve been making on this site for years: how come nationalism and respecting the core cultural and religious identity of a nation is OK (and, in fact, desirable) when it comes to Russia, China, individual European countries, any Islamic country, but it is supposedly a crime when it comes to India and its core Hindu Vedic cultural identity?
We were told by the general consensus on this site, that Russia’s core identity is its Russian character and Orthodox Christianity enriched by the cultures of the mongols, Tatars, Siberian’s and other components of Russia’s ethno-historic tapestry. Yet we deny precisely the same accommodation to the Indians when they assert their rich and deep Hindu-Vedic culture/religion core identity as being fundamental to India and its national identity, enriched by various other cultures that left an imprint in India. This is done by turning the term Hindu nationalism into a pejorative.
It’s OK for china to exhibit pathological levels of nationalism (say the sinosycophants here) yet even the softest echo of sovereignist sentiment by Indians is hypocritically attacked as Hindu nationalism (as if that’s a crime), it is hilarious and untenable (because lies and double standards are unsustainable – Truth Alone Will Prevail).
The biggest irony is … is that this accusation is usually made by islamonationalists (usually Pakistanis, but Muslim Malaysians and AK party Islamist Turks too, among others). It is a fact that Pakistan defines its national identity as being based wholly on its Islamic character. They have legalized the supremacy of Islam (Sunni Islam) in their law, rendering minority’s sects of Islam and other religions to second class status. It’s the epitome of religious nationalism.
It’s hilarious to see Pakistanis desperately try to draw parallels between Hindutva and Zionism when the real parallel is between Pakistan’s Islamic Nationalist Foundation and Israel’s Jewish Nationalist Foundation. Both these state were founded on a religious basis, both were midwifed by the British, both involved the expulsion of native populations and both, coincidentally, were created around the same time, 1948. In addition, both were create in good measure to meet the geopolitical requirements of the West; I.E., to provide the West (Britain/USA) a forward operating base (*** see note below), against the Soviet Union, in strategic regions from which the West was being physically expelled. Both nations have given legal primacy to their respective religions: the Jewish Religion or identity in Israel and the Islamic Religion and identity in Pakistan.
***the Gilgit Baltistan parts of pakistan occupied Kashmir were seized by actual British officers (not Pakistanis) during the transition time from dominion status (1948-1952) to republic (1952) to ensure that it went to the West’s client state, Pakistan, to ensure that the Soviet Union could never get access to a warm water port via India. British archives show that this was a premeditated contingency plan formulated by Britain prior to WW2, many years before partition.
Anaam
Good work :)
Coherence can’t escape the ineveitable paradoxes ! on that note–
Respecting the core cultural and religious identity of a nation is NOT OK, just because this site fancies that. Why should we or anyone descend to the reductionism of pseudo religiosity in identities and make something as decrepit as a state (or Identity) as religion, that all those other states you mentioned think is OK or have done? It’s the kind of adeptness when ignorance disguises itself as separate from evil
Here’s the differentiator and an immense responsibility. The core cultural Identity of Indianness, the indigenous, transcends identity**. Indian philosophical thought that runs across the spectrum of ways of life- Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain et al have contextualised the transpersonal in a dialectical architecture at some point or the other. What we need to do is incorporate that into a developmental architecture. And not resort to some Ideological tete a tete that short changes the only intelligent heritage in the human experience
**Indigenous aka Indian, individual, anticolonial, anti systemic.
Paul,
I thought you were addressing the forum moderator, it wasn’t clear to me you are the forum moderator. you were still gracious enough to post my critiques of your post
Thanks for that :)
**India is falling into the trap of zionist machinations but this is only possible beacuse of the ultra nationalist ideology of the RSS and BJP **
That is an opportunistic and arbitrary perspective that serves the redundancy of incessant repetition useful for indoctrination. Of oneself as much as anybody else. America works for Israel’s interests even if it is not in its own interests. India has no need nor interest nor ability to do so. India’s interests and Israel’s interests on this issue are irreconcilably opposed. Israel does not want America distracted by Afghanistan, when it wants America to double down on its Masochistic insanity in going after Iran. And nobody cares if Afghanistan is abandoned to the morbidity and fundamentalism of Pakistan and the Taliban after the Americans inflicted that plight on the Afghans. When the Soviets were coerced out of Afghanistan in the late 80’s the entire Jihadi apparatus descended on Kashmir. How home grown that is might present itself if you differentiate between indoctrination and self-immolation, in the interests of subtle History if it ever occurred to anyone that there is such a thing
That’s not going to happen again, if India and perhaps Russia can deter it. I’ll tell you what happened though, this is a good story. When the Donald met Imran, Imran dithered a bit and then put his foot in his mouth. The Donald says, hey I can do that too and shows everybody how it’s done. Then he puts it in Imran’s mouth spontaneously and Imran shows he can do that too almost involuntarily. Now given this unusual circus act that hey have stumbled upon the only exit for them is to do the Sunni dance and the Donald exclaims that he has great chemistry with the Khan and reminds everyone how he like sports people. And then from an yet undisclosed organ he articulates – I met Modi he wants me to mediate in Kashmir and I would love to.
If Modi had wanted that by now the RSS and Modi himself would have mutually agreed that Modi had better leave to Pakistan right away. The Israelis, Sunnis/Arabs have tendencies for each other, they have similar genealogy or whatever. The Indians, Shias and Russians tend to have tendencies as well. Given margins of subtlety however incongruous the landscape maybe it’s not black and white. On that note, and domain inflections, the descent of Pepe to the aplomb of a political hack with geopolitical pretensions might be analogous to his adoration of a soulless , inscrutable, spiritually petrified Chinese state religiosity/mechanism/machine. The other half of China is Buddhist though and Xi’s wife I hear is a devout Buddhist. We’ll see. Morsels of civilizational possibility is always worth chewing on.
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Abdullah said – * My contribution centred on a geopolotical perspective where it looks to me India has outwitted pakistan but in a manner that is dangerous and malevolent *
What is dangerous and malevolent, lies underneath the rabid obscenity, with the finesse and sensibility of a slug, that Imran Khan and his ministers have been screeching war and violence. you could try his Independence Day speech in the Parliament of POK for a favourite stretch of unfathomable depravity – that the BBC, Washington Post and the NYT are jerking off on. When the predictability fails you could get off on malevolence and gorge in the one stop shop – the way of war
The overarching thing that Pakistan is, is a mercenary army. Recruited by the British, the Americans , the Saudis etc and the Chinese in turns. That is their revenue model, that’s what they know and do. They change clothes at times of course and then become Jihadis and freedom fighters. The change is perhaps not remarkable but worth mentioning
Rapaciousness, cruelty and killing to everything and everyone, that’s the religion and job description. Every ethnicity around and emphasis perhaps on the most innocent – the animals.
The numbers are there, the evidence is staggering for anyone who cares to look. While it maybe essential to get statistical that also sucks to an insufferable congenital Idiocy. Of having to state the obvious or that of tampered history and perception
Besides I’m pretending at the moment to be less busy than I actually am
And then as with the Chinese there’s the other half – in this case anthropological not literally lateral like with the chinos – They are freakin Indians or Hindus
Pellets are different from bullets or are they?
You can occupy the land, on gun point, but you cannot occupy minds. Kashmir is not a religious issue. It has to do with nature and its order. Predator world order knows this and having its goal to eliminate everything that’s in order everywhere, only if one develops the understanding to realise this but the proles will never gets into deeper reality because they are given a distorted view of life completely alien to the existence and hence with false notions they go on hating others and dividing unity, furthering predators agenda, as they are expected to.
https://caravanmagazine.in/conflict/one-solution-gun-solution-gun-solution-kashmir-in-shock-and-anger
@Peep nobody complaining about it in GB when you went last year possibly because a large demographic change has already taken place https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/the-jammu-and-kashmir-pakistan-does-not-want-to-talk-about/articleshow/70688492.cms
>>> the state subject rule has been held in abeyance in GB since the 1970s. This was done to deliberately dilute the Shia/Ismaili character of the region by facilitating the migration of a large number of Sunnis from Pakistan. From 1998 to 2011, due to large-scale migration, it is estimated that the population in GB surged by 63 per cent, as against 22 per cent in so-called ‘AJK’, where the State Subject Rule was still in force. This kind of social engineering has led to severe sectarian strife, especially under General Zia and later on as in 2012, as well as dilution of the local culture and identity.
Two of Pakistan’s main arguments against the removal of Jammu and Kashmir’s special status under Article 370 are that it would lead to changes in demography and that it is violative of the UN Security Council (UNSC) resolutions. Both these arguments are not only false and malicious but it is Pakistan that has been guilty on both these counts.
Severe media restrictions, both local and international and even apathy has ensured that Pakistan has been able to act with impunity in POJK.
This is the state of censorship on media reporting in Pakistan (just imagine how much worse could it be in Pakistan occupied Kashmir):
‘Silenced’: Pakistan’s journalists decry new era of censorship https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/pakistan-journalists-decry-era-censorship-190813064754381.html
Faisal
Are you suggesting that it is organically possible for an Islamist to have an original thought amidst all that ideological gibberish? To occupy a mind there should be a mind that can think for itself, which is not occupied yet! This is a legitimate question
Speaking of order and a deeper reality one has to come up with something less pedestrian and differentiate between opinion and insight
Speaking of Gun point, the left-over demography of Kashmir is probably the result of at least a thousand or two years of savagery. Why is a Muslim even there, I figure there were Hindus and Buddhists originally who were erased, replaced or have converted. Shame
Nobody has spoken of this ethnicity going back far enough, I Have not researched this either. Perhaps the Indian could clarify this?
A person standing in the middle of garbage yard will see nothing but garbage all around.
In Kashmir, what is respected and acknowledged is Kashmiriat. If you don’t know what that is, know it. Listen to what a Kashmiri (politically a pandit) had to say about Kashmiriat, it is in Urdu/Hindi, if you do not know, seek help. https://www.newsclick.in/kashmir-caged
As Rumi says, ‘out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there’. So come out of your sectarian prejudices, we shall talk.
What is that field beyond Ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing? contextualize it, it is not in the clulessness of making arbitrary statements about garbage or whatever
Its the field in which you are not enslaved to Identity. to be free of that which occupies the mind, is not fictional. It is what it is, the bigger and the subtler domain. Free
This is a revised post in the interests of contextual order
What I hear is an occupied mind (I have no interest in Urdu, Hindi or Kashmiriat. (personal attack removed-mod) there is a subtler narrative that is more useful)
Sectarian is a sub-context to Ideological. I made a provocative statement like *why are Muslims even there* can be extended to why are they there at all, given the deconstructive necessity to interpret Ideological content If you care to read the pretexts that I have indicated, an essential to priority
Identity is ideological which is primitive at best and barbaric more often. Context is order and beyond, if you get it, cool. Otherwise disappointment is pretty much the way of the world ….
If you do not know what Kashmiriat is, then you are just venoming about a people and their character you have no basic knowledge of.
There is context and coherence in all the views shared here but you won’t get it if you are heavily influenced with propaganda stuffs. Liberate, and you will see things, as they really are.
To see things as they really are, I have to know what Kashmiriat is? Your privileged ethnicity at the expense every other one and historical contexts which are indispensable for a holistic view. Secondly revocation of Article 370 is a consequence of geopolitical forces, that the (deleted – Mod) lens Pepe is looking through doesn’t account for
(deleted – Mod). If you read me as heavily influenced by propaganda stuffs, I’ll just sit here and lick my lips in an arbitrary response in the style of this thread :)
If you can stay away from the pointed patronizing language and personal jabs, I will continue to allow your comments. If not, the comments in their entirety will be trashed – mod.
@Ling um: Read this answer by a Kashmiri Pandit of how Kashmir, which was once majority Hindu, got converted https://www.quora.com/As-a-Kashmiri-what-personal-story-would-you-like-to-tell-the-world-through-Quora/answer/Kunal-Dhar-6
Tiny excerpts:
>>> There is a historical reason behind why Kashmir which was once a holy land turned into a deadly warzone.
There have been seven exoduses of Kashmiri Pandits throughout history about which many people are still unaware.
We were traumatized by invaders, terrorists and separatists. Our women were raped. We had a horrific choice between either being converted or being killed.
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It all started in the 14th century.
Shah Mir, the first Muslim invader, who started to rule Kashmir in 1339 AD converted many Kashmiri Pandits to Islam through violent means. He destroyed our temples and ruined our heritage and culture.
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the overall trend of all the exoduses were that certain muslim leaders came into power and as a result crushed the Kashmiri Pandit’s culture by either forcefully converting them to Islam, killing them or leaving them with no option other than to flee their beloved homes.
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Indian, Thanks
I’ll follow Kunal
The parallel of the Palestinian and kashmir occupation and ressistance.
https://972mag.com/kashmir-india-israel-palestine-occupation/142735/
Kashmir needs to secede !
Kashmiris need to Read the Gita !
The Gita allows the discrimination of Lower Castes ! If the Hindoos treat their own like dirt – what will they do for the Kashmiris ?
The concept of classes of humans ordained in this birth and the next birth where redemption is obtained by perpetual misery and suffering of the lower classes is anathema to Islam !
The Kashmiris are not Indians – being of Jewish,Turkish,Afghan,Persian,Mongol,Scythian ancestry – different by Race,DNA,Theology and Religion.
This the injunction of the Gita delivered by their God – Krishna
https://dindooohindoo.page.tl/Caste-Justification.htm
“It is far better to perform one’s svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another’s duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one’s own duty is better than engaging in another’s duties, for to follow another’s path is dangerous.” – Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.
“According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/KsHatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me .And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.” — Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.