By Michael Collins
Turkish President Recep Teyyip Erdogan’s attempts to demonize the Syrian Kurd’s YPG army and threaten and bully the United States are having the net effect of creating a powerful movement for his removal based on a rationale that will encourage the public in the United States and Europe to forget the real culprits in the tragic attack on Syria and focus on charges of genocide leveled against ISIS. The genocide charge will be tied to Erdogan as a result of his documented support for ISIS and ultimately doom his increasingly dictatorial rule of Turkey. Rather than divert the attention of Turks from his crimes and massive negligence as a means to preserve his power, Erdogan’s castigation of the Kurds and, more significantly, his public blackmail of the U.S. will spell his doom in the near future.
Erdogan is lashing out in all directions as he experiences the collapse of his allout support for Syrian rebels, including ISIS. The president’s anger at the United States is both surprising and dangerous. For weeks, Erdogan has objected to U.S. support of the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish army that controls nearly the entire Syrian border region with Turkey.
The spark that lit Erdogan’s fuse occurred about ten days before the start of the U.S. – Russia sponsored Munich peace conference on the Syrian conflict. The YPG and the Syrian Arab Army are the only major land forces fighting ISIS. While YPG should have been invited to the Munich conference, the U.S. accommodated Erdogan by leaving them off list of invited parties.
About the same time that YPG was removed from the Munich conference, the White House sent Brett McGurk, “President Barack Obama’s envoy to an international coalition fighting IS in Syria and Iraq” to visit Syrian Kurdish forces in Kobani, Syria. French and British officials made the trip with McGurk. The envoy made clear U.S. admiration and support for the YPG’s efforts. Unlike Erdogan and his foreign minister, the Kurds welcomed the delegation with open arms and muted their concerns about being left out of the Munich affair.
Instead of accepting a partial victory, Erdogan and his foreign minister threatened the U.S. with a harsh choice. The U.S. must show that it is either for Turkey by labeling the YPG as terrorists or against Turkey by continuing to support YPG and its efforts against ISIS.
Bitterness toward the U.S. continued, including implied threats of a Turkish-Saudi land attack on Syria.
The Turks then took direct action by shelling YPG forces that were closing in on the critical Syrian border town of Azas.
Despite the provocation, Washington tried to be even handed. State Department spokesman Mark Toner suggested that the YPG stop its advance on Azaz and, at the same time, asked the Turks to end their daily barrage of YPG and other anti-ISIS forces in Syria. The Turkish army continued the barrage.
After days of threats to the U.S. and rash actions against its Kurdish allies, on February 20 The Saker noted the abject folly of Erdogan’s statements and actions: “If Erdogan and his advisors seriously believe that they can publicly blackmail a superpower like the USA then their days are numbered.“
Unfortunately, for Erdogan, he didn’t get The Saker’s memo. On February 24, the Turkish leader said: “If Daesh (IS/ISIS) and Al-Nusra are kept outside the ceasefire, then the PYD-YPG must similarly be excluded from the ceasefire for it is a terrorist group just as they are,” Erdogan told local officials in Ankara.”
Why is the current Turkish government obsessed with the YPG? There are several reasons, none of them related to terrorism and all of them about the survival of the amazingly corrupt and repellant Erdogan, his family, and cronies in the AKP party.
What do Erdogan and company have to fear?
Jail.
Erdogan and his cronies were caught engaged in the following on publicly released audiotapes: instructing his son on how and where to hide huge sums of cash that neither party wanted found; telling judges how to decide critical cases in his interests; planning a false flag operation in which Turkish troops would fire weapons at the Turkish border from within Syria and assign the blame to Syria; ordering government takeovers of private corporations, media outlets in particular, that simply opposed his government; ordering the release of weapons bound for Syrian rebels held up by local authorities at the Syrian border; and enabling the transit and sale of ISIS oil traveling over the Turkish landmass and shipped from Turkish ports.
These criminal acts are well known in Turkey. Should any government other than one controlled by Erdogan come to power, then Erdogan, his family members, and his cronies will go to trial and likely be sentenced to serious jail time.
What does Erdogan have to fear more than jail?
Barack Obama.
You might ask why I didn’t say Vladimir Putin. That’s simple. Putin is indeed Erdogan’s enemy, one he should greatly fear. However, Erdogan doesn’t work for Putin, he works for Obama. Putin can make life very difficult for Erdogan, but only Obama can fire him. Turkey is part of NATO, which is up to its neck in supporting Islamic extremists fighting to topple the government of Syria. More specifically, Erdogan has been a willing servant of the White House through Turkey’s key role in training, supplying, and transferring foreign fighters into Syria and supporting homegrown rebels.
Erdogan’s wholehearted support of the Syrian rebels didn’t happen as a result of any long-held Shia-Sunni antipathy or due to his steadfast opposition to Bashar Al-Assad, Syria’s elected president. As late as 2010, Erdogan was engaged in personal diplomacy with Al-Assad for closer trade and security relations. But when then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said ‘Assad must go,’ Erdogan fell in line immediately. This path was sweetened by inducements by Saudi Arabia but there was no question that the maestro was (and is): President Barack Obama.
Over recent weeks, as it became obvious that the U.S. ‘Assad must go’ policy was a failure, it was time for Erdoğan to back down and follow the leader. This was necessary for two compelling reasons. First, Erdogan isn’t the leader. Obama is. Turkey is not the world’s dominant superpower. The United States is.
The second reason to follow Obama’s lead is subtler.
Everything Turkey has done to stoke the flames of Islamist extremism, including support for the rise of ISIS, was done with the full knowledge and, in many cases, involvement of the White House and its subordinates in London, Paris, and Berlin. Turkey was the frontline state. But Obama and his supporting cast of NATO leaders were providing instructions and pitching in.
Had Turkey cooperated and allowed what will happen inevitably to happen quietly, i.e., peace in Syria with a government chosen by Syrians, then the White House and company could have taken a victory lap with the knowledge than no one will be inclined to take a serious look at what they all did to destroy a society.
By failing to cooperate and making a spectacle of defying Obama, Turkey raises the risk of a more detailed examination of this entire sordid affair – the real cause of the loss of 250,000 lives in Syria; the real cause of the refugee crisis (there was none prior to the attack on Syria); the strong support, direct or indirect, by all parties of jihadist extremists who gloried in the killing of Christians, Druze, and other minorities in Syria.
Erdogan’s attempt to create an ever expanding set of dramas to divert public attention finally provoked what appears to be a rationale for his removal.
Here’s the emerging basis for end pseudo Sultan’s demise.
Foundations for the end of Erdogan – backing ISIS genocide
The White House is facing pressure to label as genocide the actions of ISIS.. The pressure comes from American Catholics, the Vatican, Republicans, and some Democrats including Hillary Clinton, and an assortment of academics.
Secretary of State John Kerry was pressured to apply the label at a recent congressional hearing. At that hearing of the House of Representatives Appropriations Subcommittee on State and Foreign Operations (February 24), Representative Jeff Fortenberry, Republican of Nebraska, asked Secretary of State John Kerry to “use the authority and power of your office to call this [ISIS attacks on Christians and other minorities] genocide.” Kerry responded by saying “… obviously none of us have ever seen anything like this in our lifetimes though obviously to go back to the holocaust the world has seen it.”
A press by Rep. Fortenberry’s office just after the hearing demonstrated the bipartisan nature of the effort to declare ISIS anathema.
“A growing coalition is urging the world to recognize that ISIL is committing genocide against Christians, Yezidis, and other ethnic and religious minorities. While Secretary of State John Kerry has not yet reached that conclusion [to label ISIS acts as genocide], I was grateful for his willingness to openly engage in a thoughtful dialogue on this gravely important matter. I hope the State Department makes a comprehensive and inclusive genocide designation soon.”
This is not at all typical behavior by House Republicans toward the secretary of state and it is no accident. The words “grateful and willingness to engage” along with “thoughtful dialog” are a clear sign of bipartisan coalescence against ISIS. Those in Congress and the White House who supported the cause of Syrian rebels and who enabled Turkey’s supply of material and funds by their failure to object are now standing together to characterize ISIS actions in the harshest terms, genocide.
This accomplishes two purposes. It provides a major diversion from any serious examination of the history of U.S. policy in the conflict, including the start of the attack by demands that ‘Assad must go.’
The genocide label is also a pretext to correctly label President Erdogan and his cronies as both supporters of ISIS and the acts of genocide. The accusation is the opening act for the end of the Erdogan government. When the State Department does what Kerry indicated it will do by mid March, label ISIS actions as genocide, the sentence will be served and the survival of Erdogan’s government will become an affront to the world, the European Union, and NATO. How on earth can we have a nation, an international partner, that supports a group committing genocide will be the question asked again and again.
U.S., British, and French supporters of the attack on Syria will be able to hide their complicity in this abomination of a policy behind the more sensational demands that something be done to end the genocide. Since Turkey is the hands-on culprit as ISIS enabler and ally, there will be no possibility of distancing from the charge. At that point, Erdogan’s opponents in the AKP, who are already hinting of a party break up, and the three main opposition parties will unite to demand Erdogan’s removal. AKP founders Bulent Arinc and Abdullah Gul are two well known, highly regarded figures to watch. Arinc has already openly criticized the president about his policy towards Turkey’s Kurds. A direct attack on Erdoğan by Gul for the ISIS scheme may well provide the coup de grace.
How that removal happens depends on the power centers of Turkish society. Erdogan will be hard pressed to find many supporters willing to risk EU trade relationships and NATO membership simply to preserve the power of the would-be Sultan. The president will struggle to find any business leaders or merchants to champion his cause if the Russian sanctions are joined or expanded by European nations. Erdogan will be a dictator unable to issue dictates, a bully who finds himself smaller that those he has consistently bullied, and, worst of all, an embarrassing and damaging inconvenience and impediment.
Erdogan is already doomed. He just doesn’t know it
Michel Collins
http://opednews.com/michaelcollins
Seems well-reasoned cogent essay. Some may wonder if brother Erdo is taking the wrong medication…Captagon? SSRI psychotropics like the people who go crazy and go on shooting sprees? Simple greed and hubris? Or more? Anyway, thanks for posting essay!
Is obvious brother Erdo is nuts. Is obvious also he has gone “off reservation”. Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad…
He may, if he’s lucky, wind up in Russian jail, or, if less lucky, in a Western jail… either way it will be “Das Vadanya Erdo”…
But he must know things that some of his “western partners” would like kept quiet – and the route to western jail may be his final journey to a silent fate.
Pity, poor fella…
Pity, dead man walking, some might say… Of course brother Noriega, they say, still lives – so nothing is certain… (The Noriega story is a puzzle though…)
Pax
But also recall Saddam and his sons. They knew far too much so never made it as far as a jail cell. I’d say Erdo is for the head chop. Yet lets remember that Abdullah Gul is a serious CIA asset. According to Sibel Edmonds over at boilingfrogs.com he funds many Islamic institutions that are behind a lot of the spreading of extremist ideology in the Islamic world. But Gul and Erdo hate each other with a vengeance. Being very much a case of old allies falling out. So if Gul comes out seriously against Erdo, then this turkey is definitely for the cooking.
Mark my words!
Well, I wouldn’t fly commercial with Erdogan at this point. If there is any true justice, Ocalan would be freed and Erdogan would take his place as the sole prisoner on Imrali Island.
Gul acts like some tongue tied ingenue at her first formal affair. He steps up to the line but never crosses into real action in behalf of the people. You make a very good point about the asset role. If Gul says time for a change, that will be the beginning of the end.
Thank you Mr Collins for your article.
Today Turkey has shelled Syria and 100 militants crossed over from Turkey to Syria – repelled by the Syrian Kurds:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160228/1035485004/syria-turkey-hurds-daesh.html
It will be interesting to see how Kerry/US deals with this…..
Rt and itar tass are reporting that they are seeking answers from usa re this….as T and them are supposed to be on the same side…..could be intresting…T denies but Rus says it has verifiable evidence….maybe T is stll claiming that Rus has joined up with IS?????
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Here is a Russia insider article regarding the Daesh crossing from Turkey to attack the YPG in a border town in northeastern Syria. The US had to use airstrikes to help repel it.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nato-bombs-itself-syria-us-airstrikes-target-isis-militants-coming-turkey/ri13093
Strange Syrian Bedfellows: US, Russia Coordinate Attack Against Militants From Turkey
Erdogan’s Islamist mercenaries are being targeted by US airstrikes with help from Russia. Are Moscow and Washington teaming up against Ankara?
“Turkey has already made it clear that it will not honor the Syria ceasefire (which includes nearly 100 groups) if it feels its security is “threatened”. This is code for “we reserve the right to continue attacking the Syrian Kurds.” And not surprisingly, that’s exactly what Ankara has foolishly decided to do. Using the tried and true tactic of “look the other way as ‘ISIS’ crosses our border”, Ankara launched an attack on the Kurdish-held border town of Tel Abyad:
The Russian ceasefire monitoring center near Latakia says it is verifying reports of an attack on the Kurdish town Tell Abyad in northern Syria carried out by militants coming from Turkey.
The reports came overnight and claim that the forces coming from Turkey are using heavy artillery, according to Lt. Gen. Sergey Kuralenko, who heads the center for Syrian reconciliation.
The US, which is allied with many of the Kurdish forces in Syria, pounded the Turkish-backed militants with airstrikes:
Islamic State militants launched an assault on a Kurdish-controlled town on Syria’s border with Turkey on Saturday, prompting air strikes by the U.S.-led coalition to try to drive them back.
The hardline Sunni fighters attacked Tel Abyad, which is controlled by the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia, and the nearby town of Suluk in the early hours of Saturday, YPG spokesman Redur Xelil and Turkish security sources told Reuters.”
Erdogan is insane, this removes any doubts!
Excellent pointer. My understanding is that the scene of the battle, Tal Abyad, is not in ISIS territory. Marko Marjanovic, in Russia insicer, said that given the location, someone had to get the ISIS folks to this location. The likely culprit is Turkey. Marjanovic also noted that the United States immediately supported the Kurds with air power. U.S. supported Kurds supported while the U.S. attacks fellow NATO member’s proxies. Maybe next time around Russia will have a full go-ahead to knock down the Turkish air transport. We’re through the looking glass.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/erdogan-steps-proxy-war-against-us-uncle-sam-finally-hits-back/ri13103
dreams are helpless. thought you were more realistic
As you say, Erdogan is the man who knows too much and can’t keep his mouth shut. The only drug that might work is a very strong dose of Haldol. Had he done that in 2014, he wouldn’t said of the Soma Mine disaster — “These are usual things.” Around the same time, he was at a resort beach town town walking along the water front filled with hotels. He told his aid to have several hotels torn down since they were too close to the beach. He failed to realize that that he’d signed the exceptions to environmental laws allowing the hotels to go up in the first place. The man is certifiable.
Well, guys do not rush to lay justice on Erdo, it all depends on how well he is paying the military brass from his own pocket. Anyone trying to compare Iraq to Turkey would be delusional, as there is no comparison. Even NATO would think twice before doing anything to Turkey.
Erdo will not be judged until Turkey is defeated or subjected to a “successful Turkish-Spring revolution”. But, anything is possible.
Interesting article–it looks as if the Syrian army has some scores to settle with the YPG perhaps, but if one goes back far enough, it is just how the game has been played up to now.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-state-of-the-art-technology-gives-president-assad-s-army-the-edge-a6898741.html
No wonder some like penny find it hard to trust the Kurds.. They sure seems to be hard to trust and we already know the Iraqi kurds are worse than the turks….
Meanwhile, the Syrians continue to lose high-ranking officers in battle. At least six generals have been killed in combat during the Syrian war, allowing the army to proclaim that their top men lead from the front.
The commander of Syria’s Special Forces was killed in Idlib, and the commander of Syrian military intelligence in the east of the country was killed in Deir al-Zour. Major-General Mohsen Mahlouf died in battle near Palmyra. General Saleh, a close friend and colleague of Colonel “Tiger” Hassan, took on the suicide bombers of al-Qaeda in the Sheikh Najjar Industrial City outside Aleppo a year ago.
He told me that suicide bombers killed 23 of his men in one vast explosion there. I met him afterwards, and thought at the time that he had adopted a blithe – almost foolhardy – disregard of death. Just a month ago, he drove over an IED bomb which blew off the lower half of his right leg. These are hard men, many of whom trained in a Syrian military college whose front gate legend reads: “Welcome to the school of heroism, where the gods of war are made.” Chilling stuff.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-state-of-the-art-technology-gives-president-assad-s-army-the-edge-a6898741.html
Looking at a couple of the comments here and from what I have read elsewhere, there is bad blood between SAA and Kurds. The past is the past and the future is a different thing. Perhaps.
Russia is now the mediator between Kurds and SAA.
From what I have seen of current day Russian leadership, concepts like revenge or “justice” are not part of the future. In this concept, individuals or entities that will do bad things in the future are “neutralised”, while those who may have, or have done bad things in the past, but look like toeing the line in the future have a form of amnesty – the past is forgotten.
Russia seems to be trusted by both Syrian army and Syrian Kurds, so there is hope here that there can be a peaceful resolution between Syrian Government/army and Syrian Kurds.
Well now everyone will know just how many moderate terrorists are present in Syria.. Of the 350,000 foreign mercenaries the area that’s under ceasefire is miniscule.. Although they are right next to government controlled areas only and not holding some villages in the middle of nowhere but these are also people with the most local support. Also the number of foreign fighters helping the Syrian government is less than 20,000 all combined… When they talk about IRGC and Hezbollah forces, they are talking about the couple of embedded advisors in SAA units.. Not enough to do anything by themselves but hearing the west talk about it, it is like Hezbollah or the IRGC are super powers who can take on nato and give them a good scolding..
Actually reporters on the ground also say this is only to get the US to admit there are not rebels and their ranks are rather small.. And they are so small that it is not worth the effort in that, they are all surrounded by terrorists so just keep pretending that there are some rebels there to weaken the SAA from attacking and then the terrorists can cause mayhem in the ranks.. Why the US agreed to this? Maybe Kerry thought since the ceasefire wont work he was willing to admit there are no rebels? and then Plan B??? Plan B to give terrorists their own mini states????? With exceptional people logic and reality has no basis on decisions.. Just like cowboys, fire from the hip and hope collateral damage is hidden..
Who benefits from the cease-fire in Syria and why? | Damascus – from Ilya c. Magnaar |
The first step towards the sort of opposition from the «Mujahideen»
Who benefits from the cessation of hostilities by the United States and Russia imposed in Syria, and why?
The first beneficiary of the cessation of hostilities is the Syrian regime and its allies, as according to the US – Russian agreement will be the exchange of information about the presence of organizations that announced the approval of the initiative, which facilitates the process of sorting the existence of these sites on the Syrian map, pull more of the army of the Syrian forces and its allies from the Revolutionary Guards Iranian special forces for «Hezbollah» and other Iraqi forces that supports Damascus, from all regions in which resides «FSA» and regulations that distanced itself from the «Front victory», to allow a redeployment of those forces and put them generally rejected cessation of hostilities, with knowledge that America and Russia threatened that they should both refuses to adhere to this Convention.
In the south of the Syrian-controlled «FSA» on more fronts, Jordan has promised to provide a list of organizations is deemed moderate, knowing that «Front victory» and «Brigade Martyrs Yarmouk» (Pro’s «Daash») passing by in the south is in their interest to sabotage the cease fire, if you were able to keep the case of chaos and not isolate them from the rest of the enemies of Damascus to prevent easy aiming.
But in the middle, in Darya are no forces for «Corps Rahman» and «Soldiers of epics» moderate forces disengaged b «Ahrar al-Sham» ally «victory», which form with «Army of Conquest» but there is also a presence for «victory» and organizations jihadist – takfiri, but this presence might not exclude Daria, if the powers that be to prevent activity «Front victory» and its allies, and by those committed to the truce, without announcing as is the case in the black quarantine area, south of Damascus, where he awaits «Daash» and «victory» and others move to the countryside of Raqqa and Idlib, after the agreement with the Syrian regime to give them safety for withdrawal.
The axes of Hama and Homs and rural areas of Aleppo and Idlib and the city of Idlib itself and the bridge vacancy and Palmyra and Deir conjunctivitis Turkish – Syrian border, where he resides «Daash» fronts, it will not only be burning and be intense theater of operations. And it promotes progress in these areas that the military effort will focus on those who are excluded from the cessation of hostilities on the Syrian geography. It is not expected to hold the first cease-fire sponsored by Washington and Moscow, but it is the first step toward a thousand miles toward peace on the land of Sham, as well as the first step to start decoding the Syrian opposition link Mujahideen immigrants who came from more than 60 countries for Jihad in Syria, which will pay for « Front victory »to more critical positions (not« Daash »because he himself originally isolated from all other organizations) and more isolated stand slowly on the ground.
However, it is certain that the military effort will not be long city tenderness – the heart of the presence of «Daash» – because the battle linked to the battle of Mosul in Iraq, but the future will change on the land of Syria since the day he will open a new page of alliances and sort the operating regulations five years ago in the Levant since .
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The American government is selling $680 MILLION of Bunker Busting Bombs to Turkey?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/us-government-sells-680-million-bunker-buster-bombs-turkey
A superb analysis, I have to say I agree with everything except one little thing.
I’m not sure that the US will abandon Erdogan. The would be sultan may well be doomed but not because the US will dump him. The US will certainly declare ISIS genocidal but tying Erdogan to that genocide will strike too close to home. The US will probably stick by Erdogan for a number of reasons:
1. If the US blames ISIS on Erogan then the question will be asked; what did the US know and when did it know it? i.e is the US also complicity? I doubt that Obama or the US intelligence establishment will want to open that can of worms. It would be simpler to continue insisting that Erdogan has been a great partner in the fight against ISIS.
2. Erdogan has not done anything contrary to US policy. In fact everything that Erdogan has done has been in the service of US goals in Syria. Even attacking the YPG is no big deal for the US. The US does’nt really care about the Kurds. They are just a tool. Erdogan is far more important to the US than is the YPG. His support for ISIS is very much what the US wants. Remember the US views ISIS as a tool to reshape the mideast, and ultimately attack Russia/China, ditto for Erdogan. Even the shooting down of the Russian plane was probably done with US support and permission.
3. The US allies in the mideast, the Saudis, Qataris etc very much support Erdogan and his policy. This will influence the US.
4. The breakdown of relations between Russia and Turkey which has been caused by Erdogan is great for the US. It has already led to the end of the Turkstream pipeline and further isolates Russia from Europe. In addition the Bosphorous is now controlled by a state hostile to Russia. This is great, the US would like to keep it that way and Erdogan is their best bet.
5. Dumping Erdogan would hand a major victory to Russia and Putin. If Erdogan’s enemies in Turkey take over, this will likely lead to a resumption of friendly relations with Russia. Those are hardly things the US wants.
Hopefully Erdogan will be brought down by his internal enemies in Turkey. Hopefully. But contrary to appearances, Erdogan has so far been a faithful servant and executor of US policy. He in fact represents the US plan B for Syria. It is only the success of the Russian intervention that has created the appearance of conflict between the US and Turkey. But without Erdogan the ability of the US to create failure for Russia in Syria will be greatly diminished if not eliminated altogether.
Thank you for the kind words. Points #1 and 2 could be seen as a reason to remove Erdogan from any public life. Points # 4 and 5 are compelling reasons to keep Erdogan around. If Kerry announces support for the genocide charge by mid March, I think it’s adios Erdogan. That gives the White House a couple of weeks to find some replacement who is “easy to dance to” but willing to carry the Sultan’s work forward.
It will be interesting to see what develops. I would not insist on my POV, especially given Erdogan’s unpredictability. Obama may consider him too hot to handle. There are many ways this whole thing can go, some of them very bad.
I think the US has already abandoned Erdogan – when it organised this peace nonsense as a cover up to the real event which was that the US joined the Russian/Iran/Hezbollah consortium a a junior member.
Great article – much as i think too.
Excellent point on the peace/cease fire deal. The few areas subject to the cease fire indicate that the US received yet another face saving deal from Russia. The US can claim that it has protected the “modertes” that occupy just a tiny territory of the overall cease fire map. The majority of the map consists of Turkey’s good friends, Al Nusrah and ISIS. http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/25-february-current-syria-truce-deal-ceasefire-zones-map
This allows the SAA to finish capturing Aleppo and some combination of forces to take Raqqa.
This deal is pretty amazing considering the extent of neocon control over Obama.
From Thierry Meysann, VoltaireNet (Feb 29):
http://www.voltairenet.org/article190506.html
“As from now, the White House is preparing to sacrifice Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who will probably be held responsible for everything that has gone wrong in the region. The Turkish President may be assassinated, like his predecessor Turgut Özal, in 1993, or else be overthrown by those close to him. Failing that, the war will be displaced from Syria to Turkey, and Vladimir Putin will have won his bet – to shift the front lines in such a way as to cause the Western powers to fight alongside him against the jihadists that they themselves created.”
And NATO sends Erdogan a message:
“By the same logic, the Luxembourg Minister for Foreign Affairs, Jean Asselborn, declared to Der Spiegel that NATO would not allow itself to get dragged into a war started by Turkey against Russia [10]. Article 5 of the NATO Alliance provides for the support of a member state only when it is directly attacked, not when it initiates a conflict [11]. Comments confirmed by Germany to the Daily Mail [12].”
fantastic article – thank you Michael Collins
You’re most welcome!
Erdogan is a monster, a liar and a murderer he should be tried and put to pasture in some Jail somewhere. His son awaits the same fate and who ever carried out the murderous orders killing so many innocent peoples.
Is Turkey a reliable partner for the US goals in Middle East? Yes and no. Depends what you consider as US goals. For the Safari Club and their overlords in big industry, he is even better than their questionable entities camouflaged as a state such as Quatar and the Saudi head choppers. Turkey has a serious army, had a serious international policy and has been an empire in a geopolitically central region. What more can you get for you money? With him, you can make a real kill, not such a fucked up mess like in Yemen. You do not drop such an asset like him, or say, you might drop him if he becomes too stubborn, but you certainly you do not drop the deep state structure he is currently controlling. Like with Churchill’s Unthinkable project and the ratline to Latin America, you need such assets for your great game.
In the interest of the US citizens? Unfortunately irrelevant.
Recently, the BBC documentary “The Ottomans” (narrated by Omaar Rageh) was televised on Sweden’s national broadcaster. In the third episode, the ongoing Syrian conflagration is neatly “explained” (beginning at 47:35 minutes into the clip) in a quite “interesting” fashion. Wonder if Erdogan paid for the advertisement. Total horseshit.
We are left with the abject failure of the EU and especially Germany to halt the rise of Arturo Ui in Turkey and the pathetic manner in which Merkel has acquiesced from weakness in his outrageous behaviour destabilising Greece.
It makes Germany look truly incompetent and unfit to be a sovereign state. Without Occupying Forces in GDR and BRD Germany has lurched into the same diplomatic isolation as in 1914.
To think Erdogan could flood The Balkans with human wave attacks and Merkel could offer free passage to Berlin !! How many millions of dead did USSR or US/British Empire suffer to land 800,000 men on German soil ? Erdogan did it with ease and now his Ottoman Biker Gangs are flexing their muscles in Germany and Austria.
That 130,000 are now underground in Germany and the rest are in camps built secretly in Germany suggests a woman with no grasp of German history, but sadly the GDR did not teach real history so she might not understand the recidivism she has slipped into.
What a disaster for German rehabilitation post 1945. Merkel has shown that German political structures cannot control errant Chancellors who flout constitution and law and continue pig-headed into disaster. She has shown Germany cannot be trusted and now that Krauss-Maffei has taken control of the tank graveyard in Rockensulza we can expect the KSE Treaty to be sidelined.
Germany is erratic when ruled from Berlin. The stability of the Bonner Republik seems long ago, now Germany arms Saudi Arabia, turns a blind eye to Erdolf’s massacre of Kurds inside Turkey, and destabilisation of Greece, and seems to think the rest of the Eu will be complicit in this stupidity
” I hope the State Department makes a comprehensive and inclusive genocide designation soon.” By Michael Collins.
I totally agree that the actions so vividly portrayed by ISIL/ISIS/DAESH et al themselves should be classified as Genocide.
There is however a problem for the West in pronouncing this mass murder as a Genocide.
The bloody hands of CIA are documented as having trained ISIS in Jordan ( possibly elsewhere as well) and President Erdogan and his cronies must have rather a lot of evidence that would prove the connivance of the United states of America and their NATO vassals in the orgy of violence in Syria that has practically destroyed a secular and prosperous nation. All in the pursuit of US hegemony.
You’re right, imho, and the terrible irony is that the genocide charge will be used by the US/NATO powers to bury any investigation into the origins of the horrors of the attack on Syria.
An objective investigation would show that Hillary Clinton is guilty of a “crime against peace,” Nuremberg Principles, VI a): a) Crimes against peace: (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances.
HRC is just the first in line for guilty parties. This would also apply to Libya and cast a broader net.
The fact that this clear violation of international law is never mentioned regarding Clinton shows the exquisite and comprehensive control of the corporate media.
Dear Saker,
<>—>>>how come considering we can only post in English in your blog?
De facto you’re positioning the English language as a lingua franca – superior to any other language , hence a unipolar world revolving around Anglosphere.
Your statement “how come considering we can only post in English in your blog?” is not true
. Saker was asked about this several weeks ago and he replied that a commenter can post in any language. However the post will be run through ‘translate.yandex.com or translate.google.com’ to ensure it meets moderation standard prior to approval. … mod-hs
So, you must make this clear to all the moderators then. These last days, not weeks, I could see a moderator saying that here we must only post in English, to a commenter posting in German, if I remember well.
Please provide the time and date of the comment. The last one regarding english issue that I am aware of was on Feb 18 at 12:35am GMT. mod-hs
Probably could be that, I would find it difficult to locate the comment now.
I will still remind all the mods of Saker’s policy allowing posting in languages other than english.
Great! Thank you!
I do not mind translating what others could post in other languages, since I love languages a lot, and so, far from finding it a nuisance I find it always as an opportunity to learn a bit.
Enjoy the Sunday!
You don’t mind translating languages you don’t know? Just how do you even know which language it is? I know saker allows it, but who here would knows Arabic or a few other languages? And why would others want to waste the effort to translate it anyway. We come here to understand things.. in a language we all understand. If you make it harder, not many will bother..
Best example why no one really cares about Russia.. They post it all in Russian and how many bothered to translate it? I know I didn’t and I would be one of the higher motivated ones. Now others being ignorant.. Well its not only their own fault for being ignorant, it is also the fault of others for not providing the information to begin with.
Well, it happens that some here perhaps can have an idea of what language could be, mainly with the most known in this blog, of course, like, French, German, Arabic, Russian, but in any case, if you put a text, even in the bad Google Translator, the language usually is identified so you can translate and more or less have an idea of what the commenter is saying.
I guess that many people who is not able to speak/ write in English, as could be many people in Russia, refrains from commenting because they feel a bit embarrassed and it happens that i find quite interesting what they could say.
Of course, everyone is free to translate or not, but to me, at least, I would like to have the possibility to have also access to these views. And for the record, I have very limited time to stay here, except on weekends, but still.
Those who could find doing this a waste of time can obviate the comment and continue reading. Period.
Great analysis, Mr. Collins, thank you.
But, as always, the main culprits of this genocide and of backing, financing, trainning terrorists, get off scot.
Not good, as all who get off scot feel able to repeat feat in any other time and place….
And that the Republicans now come tearing their clothes after the same genocide commited by them in Iraq, this will not wash.
American system is rotten to the core and this is a thing no one can change. They, both, can be forever throwing stones at each other´s roof, Democrats and Republicans, that there is no longer someone who believes in this paripé
‘Erdogan is already doomed. He just doesn’t know it”
You can be darn certain if you know it and I knew it more then a year ago- that Erdogan knows it and knows it well!
“Erdogan is lashing out in all directions as he experiences the collapse of his allout support for Syrian rebels, including ISIS.” His all out support? Not credible. How about the CIA’s all out support alongside their allies in Turkish intelligence? More credible
How about Erdogan “lashing out” because of that knife in his back? You know like the knife in Assad’s back?!
Turkey is part of NATO, which is up to its neck in supporting Islamic extremists fighting to topple the government of Syria
Oh wait a minute, I thought it was Erdogan supporting ISIS but you’ve changed tunes and are talking about NATO supporting ISIS and Turkey as a NATO conduit (NATO occupied) playing it’s role
“Everything Turkey has done to stoke the flames of Islamist extremism, including support for the rise of ISIS, was done with the full knowledge and, in many cases, involvement of the White House and its subordinates in London, Paris, and Berlin. Turkey was the frontline state.
Is it all Erdogan’s fault or has he been having his strings pulled?
Cause this piece is all over the place. And is not cogent.
As for his problem with YPG? YPG = PKK= TAK= PJAK = smugglers, drugs and humans, extortionists and bottom line terrorists- I would have a problem with that too. Any sensible person would have a problem with that-
Sadly propaganda trumps fact and people have been caught up in one of the biggest lies since the ‘poor oppressed Jews” terrorized all manner of people in the middle east until finally their terrorism resulted in their own little terror state
History repeats because real history, truth and facts are relegated to the dust bin for contradictory nonsensical rubbish.
Ramzan Kadyrov, whose tenure as the President of the Chechen Republic expires in April, said he would step down from his office and end his political career. Earlier, Kadyrov leaked an opposition report that called him a threat to Russia’s security.
“My time is past. Every human has a limit. I believe Kadyrov has passed his peak,” the Chechen leader said, referring to himself in the third person, in an interview on Saturday.
Team chaos pushing erdogang under the bus?..you are joking!They love him but of course once he doesn’t perform he will be retired, the chaos game re otto empire is still on!stop kidding around!
Hi Penny, on your points…
There’s a difference between knowing that your are under attack and knowing that your are “doomed.” Erdogan is finished but keeps fighting just like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who keeps fighting the king after both arms and legs are severed.
Erdogan “lashing out” in no way absolves the US/NATO from their role in previous planning and support for Erdogan’s rash actions. Erdogan does have a “knife at his back” as you say but he put it there by threatening those whom he willingly served as a puppet.
And, how did the Jews get involved in your argument? Erdogan antagonism toward Israel shifted 180 degrees a few months ago when he realized that hardly any states were potential allies. He began the reconciliation project as though nothing had happened. Then, Israel’s foreign minister equated Turkey with ISIS and the project faltered.
The fundamental problem is that Erdogan is a high functioning psychotic. He creates his own vastly distorted reality but has enough power and just enough contact with the real world to survive. He’s now run out of space. He has undone all the good AKP did initially, particularly for the economy. Turkey’s credit rating is as low as it goes. The citizens of Turkey are seeing their economy collapse and less than 50% of them support AKP at the polls.
Erdogan spoke about the advantages of a unitary state citing Hitler’s Germany as an example of how this can work. Erdogan’s no Hitler. He’s more like Richard III.
Erdogan’s “all out support” in no way excludes the involvement of the US/NATO. He’s acting in his own delusional interests but, at the same time, subject to having his “strings pulled” by his masters.
Erdogan’s response to the PKK is to saddle up the Turkish military and attack Turkish cities. Diyarbakir, a city of nearly 1 million people, many of whom are Kurds, has been under attack by the Turkish army for weeks. Several hundred thousand have fled. Why? Because there were a few hundred PKK supporters there. This is the exact policy the Kiev junta instituted with the anti terrorist operation (ATO) by attacking eastern Ukraine towns and cities because that broad region was the location for opposition to the junta. This is a crazy policy.
Erdogan is a threat to the Middle East and to his nation. The norms of talent, progress, and civility are too embedded in Turkish society to allow one psychotic and his lackeys to destroy it. That’s not the reason Erdogan is doomed (his defiance of his masters). His departure, however, presents an opportunity for Turkey to resolve its internal struggles and become an enabler rather than a total inhibitor to the well being of its citizens.
@MC
The plan to carve-up Syria is a Zionist plan — so Supremacist Jews are up to their necks in in this conflict. You can also call them neocons if you like. Now if you happen to have a copy of Oded Yinon to hand, or any of the Greater Israel maps descended from that infamous plan, you will see that Turkey is ALSO carved-up.
So it is just as likely that Turkey is as much of a patsy in this AZE conflict as Syria.
The Zionists are just more honest than the others involved in some of this evil. The oil companies, City of London banksters, French neo-imperialists, and a long line of others have wanted to redraw the borders in the Middle East. In some ways, it is helpful that the Zionists have so much chutzpah. We can figure out what the others may have in mind.
As for patsies, well, the shooters of JFK may have been patsies, too. Some of them likely got cleaned up over time. But it is hard to feel much sympathy for them. So, too, with elements in Turkey. They got involved in dangerous projects, such as the Arab Spring and using Turkish identity politics all over Asia with violent groups. The whole war/mess in Chechnya was practically operated out of Turkey. What goes around, comes around. Syria’s sins are lot fewer than Turkey’s, to put it mildly.
Dividing up Syria was a French Plan from 1915. They never intended a unitary state but had to when the British created Iraq for fear of Kurds taking Mosul and oilfields and Shias taking Basra leaving Baghdad with nothing. The British traded Mosul from the French.
Louis Blum 1936 gave Antioch and its Christian population to Turkey to keep Turkey away from Hitler, and that province is now Hatay. Of course Turkey flirted with alliance with Hitler anyway and imperilled the Caucasus until Stalingrad changed the balance
How come Erdogan is so important? And all the other leaders? When are the people of the world going to start having some real say in what happens to them?
Right here in these columns as in a couple of others I know the facts are discussed and truths revealed and beyond those columns nothing. No media coverage. No discussion. No knowledge.
And the leaders say go attack those people and we go. And the leaders say this group of you go attack that group of you – and it happens.
Isn’t this the fundamental problem? We the people suffer under the delusion we elect leaders but in fact the leaders are a group all of their own and the world suffers this way and that and the leaders largely remain the same people.
How is this ever going to be addressed?
Yes, let it be so :)
Brother Erdo might want to call up old Daniel and ask him to decrypt the spray-paint on the palace wall – MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN…
Fascinating ! It is probably what is called ‘real politic’ but it is disgusting.
Yes I will applaude at the dismissal of Erdogan but I will remain frustrated that the main culprits for the Middle-East chaos (Libya, Irak, Syrie, Yemen and Palestine) will be saved. It is immoral !
Gazprom has cut gas supplies by nearly a quarter after failing to reach an agreement with Turkish importers on discounts for Russian natural gas. Delivery is down 23 percent, compared to the same period last year. The discount rate that stopped since jan 2016.. Turkey was expecting to get another 10-15% on top of this 23% discount as well.. Remember the turk PM demanding more discounts last year after Putin offered him a 15% discount for turkstream and he still expect the discounts and more… rofl..
In other news who would have the logistics to know and place Hezbollah and IRGC special forces? These are not even regular forces so security would be tight.. But to plan and ambush of them would be next to impossible.. Especially if it included many of the highest ranking members of the groups.. Yet they were ambushed.. Dozens of members were killed and others kidnapped.. Would most likely be killed as well.. Some bodies were recovered of lower ranking details. The countries with such capabilities you can count on like 3 fingers… Some 20 or so confirmed dead and as many missing assume captured and will be executed but most likely renditioned.. Never to be heard from again. Occurring on multiple occasions in the past month means a high ranking cia mole in the higher echelons planning commission.
Russia confirmed the USA presented a list of 69 groups in Syria willing to respect the Cease-fire.
Hey, guys, the situation with and around Erdogan might be a little bit more complicated. If you recall the 2013 attempts of a colour revolution around Gezi Park with Taksim Square being just a copy of Egypt’s Tahrir and Kiev’s Maidan. Obejctive: Erdogan must go.
I guess as the ISIL project was being designed, its organisers needed Turkey as a supply route for the jihadis and a wholesale buyer of Iraq’s and Syria’s oil thus making the operation dirt cheap , i.e. financially fully self-supported. Apparently, the color revolution in Turkey failed, and I think for the only obvious reason: Erdogan must have yielded and complied with the ISIL project and jumped on the wagon. Turkey did and is still supporting the ISIL scum, supplies them with weapons, buys the stolen oil and sells it (interesting data on some Russian sites about s last year’s oil deliveries to Ukraine’, quite a significant amount of oil from murky suppliers must have come from Erdogan’s son).
Some Russian sites outlined the possible scenario even before the ISIL appeared, and now the design has gotten its shape and name. The final objective of the ISIL project is to form a replica of Hitler’s empire (which was also an international project) from Tunisia (Algiers) to China’s Xinjjan with incursions into Russia’s soft underbelly via former Soviet Republics with transparent borders easily splitting Russia by separating it from Siberia and the Far East (easy indeed with the only railway and highway connecting them), and into northwestern China (the US have already set up the government of Eastern Turkestan in exile in Washington DC to cater to the future Uigur independence from China). With a financial crisis engineered in both the countries, the collapse of modern Russia and China will be imminent.
The project suffered some setbacks in Egypt and later in Syria. They should have become what Libya is now, with oil and gas financing their further advance of the Khalifat to the final goal.
Poor Erdogan got busted, now his hopes of making Turkey a strong power seem to be getting busted too. He was probably unaware that even though he agreed to join the project, he would never be allowed to play his own part – only obey orders. Voila.
So the removal of Erdogan would make more sense with Syria defeated and the ISIL metastasising on. Turkey would just follow Libya and Syria’s fate with a managed chaos. But now that the whole project seems to be skidding, his future seems to be even more precarious. It is my conviction that project designers never ever give up their objectives, thus they may very well decide to turn Turkey into an ISIL to keep the arc of instability move eastward. Erdogan’s grip on the country holding it together will then be unwanted.
Perceptive comment Valery.
Erdogan is useful, for the time being. The Empire never relinquishes their objectives, which you describe perfectly.
Off topic, but how the hypocrisy works
http://www.jewishjournal.com/the_ticket/item/shining_a_spotlight_on_the_sacrilege
We have the Moveable Feast Cafe for off-topic discussions. Please post in there in future or repost now. Thanks. Mod.
“You might ask why I didn’t say Vladimir Putin. That’s simple. Putin is indeed Erdogan’s enemy, one he should greatly fear. However, Erdogan doesn’t work for Putin, he works for Obama. Putin can make life very difficult for Erdogan, but only Obama can fire him. Turkey is part of NATO, which is up to its neck in supporting Islamic extremists fighting to topple the government of Syria. More specifically, Erdogan has been a willing servant of the White House through Turkey’s key role in training, supplying, and transferring foreign fighters into Syria and supporting homegrown rebels.”
Excellent assessment. And a most interesting question is how the ousting of Erdogan would impact on the refugee crisis in Europe. The Zionazis have their key objective of Regime Change in Syria set in stone; hence, unless Russia and Syria rout the rebel scum and mercenaries completely, the mass exodus will continue — that’s a given. Now, it might well be that a delusional swine such as Erdogan indeed saw the refugee torrents as some kind of potential, conquering Ottoman army in the making. But absent any Western conspiracies to exploit, Erdogan would never have succeeded in easily passing on the refugees en masse in the first place. And this is precisely what his exit is going to reveal: European Monopoly Capital has no need for its mass base anymore. As long as the “Global War On Terror” lasts, there will be a steady, deliberate influx of refugees into the EU from the countries ravaged; Erdogan or no Erdogan.
Good points. And, Erdogan is well paid for the ongoing flow ot cheap labor. I would be interested to know who got what out of the the $3.billion. This is revealing:
“The [German] government is also going to have to consider adjusting the national minimum wage of 8.50 euros in some circumstances to allow refugees to get a foothold in the workforce, [economist] Vopel says. “It’s unrealistic to think that all these immigrants can be absorbed into the job market at that wage,” he says.” http://tinyurl.com/qchmvo5
This is convenient. The refugees come north, get all sorts of government services to get in shape, and then have the “opportunity” to work at less than minimum wage. Who benefits?
Germany cannot play with the minimum wage without running into the Verfassungsgericht if it results in a subsistence standard. It would also mean cutting the Hartz IV level which is already insufficient to pay electricity bills and with Dresden and Chemnitz having huge levels of child poverty, the path to social revolution is a short one.
You cannot bring in 800,000 young men who have NO culture of working for a living and no interest in working with no prospect of having house, consumer goods and cars. They will go into crime, they have the numbers – 4 times the size of the combined German military – to create their own criminal enterprises.
Which brings us back to the Zionists in the AZE, i.e. the engineered migrant crisis and the multi-cultural wars…
http://nationalvanguard.org/2016/02/george-soros-a-psychopaths-psychopath/
http://www.sott.net/article/313209-Hungary-PM-Orban-blames-George-Soros-for-refugee-crisis
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/controlled-opposition-from-goldstein-to-soros-and-beyond.html
All roads now lead back to Israel – bizarro but true…
“The story may be even more devastating. The Mail’s story suggests that at the time Blair & Co. conspired to destroy Britain’s working class, the Labour Friends of Israel and Lord Levy were his prime funders.”
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/2/28/blair-immigration-and-the-betrayal-of-british-workers
Powerful, clear description of the final ending of the Ottoman Empire. What is not mentioned are the US billions used to gul Erdogan into believing he could recreate Ottoman Empire
areas with the secret agreement with the US that as Turkish US NATO, it would help grow the US wild, be-header proxy army! For sure there was such an agreement. The thing is, Erdogan never considered how suicidal it is to trust a confidence man or confidence country.
The US has some wondrous old movies about con-men as they used to cover the vast half empty land. It now has over 400 million citizens, more than half impoverished. Do look for the films as the US is destroying it’s old genius films. US is rewriting history. Do, please, protest this! “Elmer Gantry” is the most famous of these films and got the highest awards at the time.
Search it out, it explains the US today!
fate ! we ay in turkish , one who falls himself shouldnt cry
A more serious problem for Russia than Erdogan are traitors inside Russia itself. And especially those that are “supposed” to be on Russia’s side. As an example here is one at RT itself. A headline of an RT story. One that could have been seen almost word for word on any US MSM site,” ‘My time is past’: Chechen strongman leader Kadyrov announces he is stepping down”. Here is what the headline “should” have been,‘My time is past’: Chechen leader Kadyrov announces he won’t seek re-election.” The difference is easy to see.Calling a leader “strongman” is a term automatically used in the West for leaders that are their enemies. It has the same effect on people’s thinking (even worse) as the term “regime” has . Here a couple of more examples from today’s RT alone,”US submits list with 69 opposition groups ready to align with Syria ceasefire”.In the story itself it says that “both” Russia and the US “exchanged” lists of groups wanting to be in the ceasefire. This should have been the headline,” Russia and US exchange lists of opposition groups ready to align with Syria ceasefire”.So instead of the headline seeming to show only a positive action by the US regime. It instead would have shown a mutual positive action of Russia as well as the US. And even one more,”Turkey to keep supporting armed groups fighting Assad regime in Syria – PM Davutoglu”. That is not what he was saying. What he was saying is that Turkey is continuing its illegal under international law (the UN charter) supporting of terrorist groups in Syria. And they even used the pro-US term “regime” for the Syrian government as well.So here would be the correct headline for that story,” Turkey to keep supporting illegal armed terrorist groups fighting Assad government in Syria – PM Davutoglu”. More and more each day we see traitors working against Russia,even in organs of the Russian government. When (or “if”) ,will Russia take action to save themselves from traitors. Or is it too late for Russia. And are we just doomed to see a “slow motion” tragedy of Russia’s destruction. The answer is not clear at all there.But what is clear,is the immediate need to purge RT (and all other Russian media) of anti-Russian elements,before its too late to help.
Pepe Escobar writes about the Kurds versus Erdogan, http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/02/26/have-you-betrayed-your-kurd-today.html
Obama is worse!
Yes, and he`s still the best pres. the US has had for a very long time. Scary, but true.
But, Mr Peace Prize is no more than another murder in numerous countries. A true American killer in numerous countries in our poor world.
He is still a rotten man that supports the CIA criminal actions throughout our poor world and specifically in South America just as past criminal presidents have done and the next president will do. And they don`t cry a tear for those the US kills or disappears or just keeps criminally poor.
Of course the focus now is on the Middle East/North Africa where war crimes are supreme and mostly have some sort of identification with the US, the cruel bastards of Saudi Arabia and the vile criminals of Israel.
Libya was one of the worst disasters of all time and the actions by the US, supposedly under the UN Resolution 1973 – No Fly Zone, reduced the country to a cesspool of a wild west massacre. Yes it was a ruthless and bloody horror managed by the US with its weak kneed followers of Canada and the NATO nations Europe,
Certain people got very rich as they stole Libyans’ oil and the most apparent was Tony Blair of the UK – the US monies were better hidden but one can be assured that rich Americans got richer by stealing from Libyans now left in a disaster area.
In my mind Obama, Mr Peace Prize, is criminally insane as is, obviously, the lizard lady, H Clinton.
Jableh, Syria. Population 80,000. Over 10,000 KIA fighting jihadists.
Al Manar’s Somar Hatem says SAA advancing 1km from TR border in Latakia, TR jets afraid 2 approach, TR arty useless.
Blessed are the warmongers as recorded in history..
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/703927778002018309
Military to Military Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war
State Dept’s arms pipeline 2 SYR aka the Benghazi
https://t.co/ihvmQGVM8h
The struggles and pangs of a global terrorist.. Oh the pooa terrorists the pooa terrorists..
Neither Remaining Nor Expanding: The Islamic State’s Global Expansion Struggles
The Islamic State has declared wilayats (provinces) in ten countries spanning from Nigeria to the Caucasus region. It has executed high-profile attacks in several otherwise stable countries, including Tunisia, Turkey, Kuwait, France, and the United States. The group has championed its victories and downplayed its defeats at every turn, portraying itself as a military behemoth destined to restore the caliphate to its former glory. In short, the Islamic State would like the world — and especially prospective recruits — to believe it is “remaining and expanding” (baqiya wa tatamaddad), a slogan that defines the group’s propaganda.
http://warontherocks.com/2016/02/neither-remaining-nor-expanding-the-islamic-states-global-expansion-struggles/
“…Erdogan’s attempts to demonize the Syrian Kurd’s YPG army and threaten and bully the United States are having the net effect of creating a powerful movement for his removal…”
I dunno. Does Erdogan ‘bully’ the USA?
Right now Turkish artillery is pounding Syrian territory, as you point out, while the Saudi Airforce makes its debut in the theatre tomorrow.
Shall I repeat? It’s in the latest Southfront video, posted here and helpfully transcribed in the comments section by Lind.
http://thesaker.is/russia-defense-report-feb-27-2016-russian-military-advisers-in-syria/
I do not conclude Erdogan has outlived his usefullness. Far from it. Erdo bared his teeth and everyone fell for it, again. The continued escalation by NATO, in the face of limited Syrian-Russian victories is the relevant story. The Empire has refused to accept reality and will expand their aggression in Syria and Iraq. WW3 remains firmly on track despite talk of negotiations — but gnash your teeth and cry bloody murderer if it helps you through your day.
“The genocide charge will be tied to Erdogan as a result of his documented support for ISIS and ultimately doom his increasingly dictatorial rule of Turkey. Rather than divert the attention of Turks from his crimes and massive negligence as a means to preserve his power, Erdogan’s castigation of the Kurds and, more significantly, his public blackmail of the U.S. will spell his doom in the near future.”
I too daydream like this sometimes.
“Washington tried to be even handed.”
Now really, I struggled to read past this remark. Your link points to a transcript of a Mark Toner press conference. Do you seriously expect your readers to plod through it to establish your point? What was your point? Do these statements show the worshippers of Baal are a reasonable bunch?
Here are more quotes from your piece:
“The White House is facing pressure to label as genocide the actions of ISIS.. The pressure comes from American Catholics, the Vatican, Republicans, and some Democrats including Hillary Clinton, and an assortment of academics.”
Oh no you didn’t.
— and
“The words “grateful and willingness to engage” along with “thoughtful dialog” are a clear sign of bipartisan coalescence against ISIS. Those in Congress and the White House who supported the cause of Syrian rebels and who enabled Turkey’s supply of material and funds by their failure to object are now standing together to characterize ISIS actions in the harshest terms, genocide.”
Which Congress?! Our Congress? The one that sponsers all terrorism worldwide and has promised a hundred year war against it?
As a prelude to pinning a “genocide” on Erdogan? Because he blackmailed the USA? Is that your supposition?
Oh what fantastic nonsense.
Here’s something much more interesting — and it actually occurred. I saw this over at Penny’s just moments ago.
Don’t let her shrill notes re: Kurds push you off. She is more often right than wrong.
So, as I said, did you notice what happened while you were expending your energy howling for the blood of a meat puppet?
Obama signs Israel anti-boycott provisions into law, settlements and all
Obama signed a law which makes boycotting Israel more or less illegal.
SEE? This is what the anglozionists do while you’re wringing your hands about this or that badboy satrap. You waste our time while they silence our ass.
Erdo is anything but unuseful. He is playing his part because John Kerry & co. have a grip on his balls. Like a cat with a mouse, the Zionists are torturing Erdogan with glee!
His ambitious rival Davutoglu, after hiring a New York P.R. firm one day after his election, immediately suggested it is impossible to make Erdo into the Sool-tan. The constitutional powers he sought will never be granted and he commands only wavering support amongst AKP faithful. He does not control the army. Davutoglu controls the government and Hakan Fidan controls MIT.
More importantly he and everyone else is controlled by external actors — who continue to pursue their carefully planned agenda for genocide — because it is profitable and FUN for these sick m*f*kers.
Try to understand, Erdogan is powerless. All this talk of a big-bad-scary and “unpredictable” dictator is a farce. If we are going to be scared lets make sure it is for rational reasons.
I understand the Russian position. They are willing to give Erdogan a big heave ho. They will offer him to the world on a plate, like a pig with an apple stuffed down his throat, in partnership with grinning Anglo-Amercan war criminals. Wouldn’t it be nice? It is an imminently reasonable, albeit slightly cynical position to take but then let’s think of the alternative. Erdogan is the perfect scapecoat on which to pin the murder of 300 000 Syrians and hopefully move along into a better and more sane world order in the afterward.
But just so you, like the Russians, understand why the anglozionists will not be coming to their senses and their course in Syria is not an abberation or something from which they can be disuaded, EVER, please have a look at the most recent piece by John Pilger on the genocide in East Timor.
This story, I assure, will not waste yours or my time:
The Rape of East Timor: “Sounds Like Fun”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/26/the-rape-of-east-timor-sounds-like-fun/
If you want to help our side (I believe you do) you should avoid enhancing the propaganda charade. Respect your readers with pertinent quotes and ask serious questions. Who is responsible and why do they seek our desolation? What are their crimes and most importantly, how the hell do we put pressure on these gangsters to stop what they’re doing!
— instead of fantasizing about the war crimes trial of Erdogan.
http://anna-news.info/node/53903
video link to Paul Craig Roberts interview.Turkey waiting USA command to fight against Russia?
“Ordered to harm Russia’
Director of the Institute of Political and Social Studies of Victor Rajewski Nadein-the fragility of the truce in Syria, an effort to isolate Moscow in the negotiation process, the possibility of the Russian-Turkish war, the inadequacy of Erdogan.
1hr discussion Rus language
http://frontinfo.anna-news.info/?p=3962
As the USA flounders desperately in crisis, the United (?) Kingdom with purposes unfulfilled heaps criticism on Europe — the Pax Americana that “replaced” the Pax Britannica is crumbling. So much for the “liberal” globalisation programme!
Now, the gangster sultan is a pawn used by Washington to subject the EU to assymetrical warfare. Where is Shengen? See how European leaders have fallen apart. Do not blame anyone else — only the “mighty” USA — the bane of the EU concept, what a monstrous combination: TTIP + assymetrical warfare against all Europe! With the “friends” like the US, Europe does not need any enemy.
serious warning here from MFA
MOSCOW, February 29/TASS/. Turkey’s activity on the border with Syria can be a delayed-action mine under the ceasefire agreements, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said on Monday.
“The Turkish colleagues have not abandoned the idea of trans-border strikes, an idea to form certain zones on the Syrian territory along the Turkish border,” he said, noting that it is “a very dangerous situation from the point of view of how Ankara can behave”.
‘We saw in the past examples when those who were making decisions in Turkey, got emotional in fact. If the period of strengthening the ceasefire regime proceeds now in the same way, it can become a mine, not even of delayed but of instantaneous action ,” the diplomat said.
“I would want to warn the Turkish colleagues against this,” he added.
Moscow considers Iran’s role in the Syrian settlement to be positive, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister went on to say.
“Iran’s role is positive. We have no grounds whatsoever to question this,” he said.
According to Ryabkov, Iran is behaving very responsibly with regard to the Syrian crisis promoting the implementation of the agreements that have been reached within the framework of the UN Security Council resolutions.
He noted that contacts between Moscow and Tehran on the Syrian issue had become more frequent. “Consultations have intensified, there have been numerous high-level contacts. On the day after the basic agreement between Moscow and Washington that is currently in the limelight was reached Russian President Vladimir Putin held talks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani,” Ryabkov said.
Use of force by outside players in Syria to undermine peaceful settlement
According to Ryabkov, the use of force in Syria by outside players, particularly Turkey, could undermine the political settlement in this country.
“We cannot but be concerned about military preparations, intensifying activity along the perimeter of the Syrian border. If the governments of the countries that are engaged in these activities, have plans to use force to achieve some goals, this would be a fatal blow to everything that has been achieved to date,” he said.
“These governments, including Turkey, should be fully aware of their responsibility,” Ryabkov said.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/politics/859690
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also important hence long quote
MOSCOW, February 29. /TASS/. Moderate opposition thinks that the United States has no plan B on Syria, one of leaders of the Syrian Popular Front for Change and Liberation Qadri Jamil said on Monday.
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“There is no plan B, all this is lie and small talk,” Jamil said. “There is plan A and it is fulfilled, what is plan B?”
Riyadh has reportedly said if Damascus and its allies show no serious relation to implementing ceasefire then there is an alternative plan under which President Bashar Assad will leave by peaceful or military means.
Earlier, US State Secretary John Kerry said that Washington and its foreign allies and partners are actively discussing alternative options if ceasefire in Syria is not implemented and political process in the country is not launched. “There is a significant discussion taking place now about a Plan B in the event that we do not succeed at the (negotiating) table,” Kerry said. “It may be too late to keep it as a whole Syria if we wait much longer.”
Three days of ceasefire, more to come
Syria’s moderate opposition is prepared to further contribute to strengthening ceasefire in the country, Jamil added.
“We should strengthen ceasefire, we should encourage the advancement of ceasefire,” he said. The ceasefire in Syria has been observed for three days now and the moderate opposition hopes it will be held in the future, Jamil said.
Jamil also said the ceasefire in Syria has been observed for three days now.
“The ceasefire embodies the agreements reached by the United States and Russia, which were endorsed by the UN Security Council resolution,” he said. “Much to everyone’s surprise, the truce has been observed for the third day, everything is all right.”
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According to Jamil, the agreements reached will contribute to observing the truce in the future.
“The truce is not a game and cannot be a game,” he added. The opposition member noted that his optimism was based on real trends. “I can see a motion vector, so I am optimistic,” Jamil said.
Qadri Jamil also said he hopes the opposition groups that have not yet joined the ceasefire regime in Syria will do it soon.
“As of now, not all groups have lodged their applications. Those who have not done that still have time to do it. But Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra (extremist groups outlawed in Russia – TASS) and their affiliates are cut out of equation,” Qadri Jamil, the leader of Syria’s Popular Front for Change and Liberation, told TASS.
“All who have either indirect or direct ties with Jabhat al-Nusra must sever these relations and switch sides. Otherwise they will be dubbed as terrorists,” he underscored.
Formation of single opposition delegation at Geneva talks is hardly possible
According to him, formation of a unified opposition delegation at the talks at Geneva due to begin on March 7 is hardly possible.
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“The second round will begin with what the first round ended – that is, there will be two opposition delegations,” he said.
“Essentially, we are not opposed to the formation of a single opposition delegation, but will the other side accept this? I don’t think so,” he said. “The problems remain, but that’s not our fault.”
Qadri Jamil noted that the absence of a unified delegation “would not stop the negotiations.” “We will try to overcome this problem, but even if there is no single delegation, this will not prevent the talks from being held,” he said.
The opposition leader stressed that terrorists wouldn’t be represented at the talks.
“Terrorist groups will not take part in the Geneva negotiations,” he said.
Jamil said that the opposition representatives’ separation from terrorists will occur naturally – through the mechanism of their adherence to the ceasefire regime.
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The spokesman also pointed out that representatives of the “Moscow group” of the Syrian opposition plan to take part in the next round of the intra-Syrian talks in Geneva.
“Actually, we have already been invited verbally, [we will be invited] formally soon as well,” he said.
“I received an invitation from [UN special envoy for Syria Staffan] de Mistura to come to Geneva on March 7,” he said. “It is planned that this new conference will last until March 24.”
According to Jamil, representatives of the Kurds should take part in the intra-Syrian talks as well. “Judging from the latest resolutions of the UN Security Council and a speech of UN special envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, the issue should be resolved in the foreseeable future. They [Kurds] should take part in the second round, maybe not from the very first day, but they should [be involved in the talks],” he added.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/world/859647
MOSCOW, February 29. /TASS/. Moderate opposition thinks that the United States has no plan B on Syria, one of leaders of the Syrian Popular Front for Change and Liberation Qadri Jamil said on Monday.
“There is no plan B, all this is lie and small talk,” Jamil said. “There is plan A and it is fulfilled, what is plan B?”
Syria’s moderate opposition is prepared to further contribute to strengthening ceasefire in the country, Jamil added.
“We should strengthen ceasefire, we should encourage the advancement of ceasefire,” he said. The ceasefire in Syria has been observed for three days now and the moderate opposition hopes it will be held in the future, Jamil said.
Jamil also said the ceasefire in Syria has been observed for three days now.
“The ceasefire embodies the agreements reached by the United States and Russia, which were endorsed by the UN Security Council resolution,” he said. “Much to everyone’s surprise, the truce has been observed for the third day, everything is all right.”
According to Jamil, the agreements reached will contribute to observing the truce in the future.
“The truce is not a game and cannot be a game,” he added. The opposition member noted that his optimism was based on real trends. “I can see a motion vector, so I am optimistic,” Jamil said.
Qadri Jamil also said he hopes the opposition groups that have not yet joined the ceasefire regime in Syria will do it soon.
“As of now, not all groups have lodged their applications. Those who have not done that still have time to do it. But Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra (extremist groups outlawed in Russia – TASS) and their affiliates are cut out of equation,” Qadri Jamil, the leader of Syria’s Popular Front for Change and Liberation, told TASS.
“All who have either indirect or direct ties with Jabhat al-Nusra must sever these relations and switch sides. Otherwise they will be dubbed as terrorists,” he underscored.
Formation of single opposition delegation at Geneva talks is hardly possible
According to him, formation of a unified opposition delegation at the talks at Geneva due to begin on March 7 is hardly possible.
“The second round will begin with what the first round ended – that is, there will be two opposition delegations,” he said.
“Essentially, we are not opposed to the formation of a single opposition delegation, but will the other side accept this? I don’t think so,” he said. “The problems remain, but that’s not our fault.”
Qadri Jamil noted that the absence of a unified delegation “would not stop the negotiations.” “We will try to overcome this problem, but even if there is no single delegation, this will not prevent the talks from being held,” he said.
The opposition leader stressed that terrorists wouldn’t be represented at the talks.
“Terrorist groups will not take part in the Geneva negotiations,” he said.
Jamil said that the opposition representatives’ separation from terrorists will occur naturally – through the mechanism of their adherence to the ceasefire regime.
The spokesman also pointed out that representatives of the “Moscow group” of the Syrian opposition plan to take part in the next round of the intra-Syrian talks in Geneva.
“Actually, we have already been invited verbally, [we will be invited] formally soon as well,” he said.
“I received an invitation from [UN special envoy for Syria Staffan] de Mistura to come to Geneva on March 7,” he said. “It is planned that this new conference will last until March 24.”
According to Jamil, representatives of the Kurds should take part in the intra-Syrian talks as well. “Judging from the latest resolutions of the UN Security Council and a speech of UN special envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, the issue should be resolved in the foreseeable future. They [Kurds] should take part in the second round, maybe not from the very first day, but they should [be involved in the talks],” he added.
“We will try to speed up the solution of the issue about the representation of the Democratic Union [Kurdish party – TASS] to ensure the Kurds’ presence,” Qadri Jamil said…………………….
More:
http://tass.ru/en/world/859647
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note the Uk was one of those 15 UNSC members considerably angered at USA reinterpretation they they wanted to put forward to the UN for latest resolution, as new one specifically excluded Saudi’s HNc from the wording-any further insight here most welcome……………
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copy pasted same article twice-sorry……..all in the rush to keep updated……..
news from the troublemakers left out of UN resolution………”Meanwhile, a spokesman for the Saudi-backed opposition High Negotiations Committee’s delegation to the peace talks, Asaad al-Zoubi, warned that the truce may not hold.
“We are not facing a violation of the truce… we are facing a complete nullification,” he told Al Arabiya al Hadath TV, claiming that the Syrian army continues attacks on rebel-held areas.
“I believe the international community has totally failed in all its experiments, and must take real, practical measures towards the regime,” Zoubi said, without elaborating.
https://www.rt.com/news/333976-syria-truce-geneva-talks/
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In the wake of cessation of hostilities in Syria Russian online newspaper Gazeta.ru sat down with a former American diplomat and a retired Israeli brigadier general to talk about the changes in Washington’s rhetoric regarding the ousting of President Assad and find out why the long-standing calls for his removal suddenly abated.
A Syrian girl holds her national flag bearing a portrait of Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad
© AFP 2016/ ANWAR AMRO
‘Huge Mistake’? US Already Backtracking on Assad Stance Behind Closed Doors
When you proclaim that “Assad must go,” you then should make the next move, Daniel C. Kurtzer, former American diplomat, former US ambassador to Egypt (1997-2001) and Israel (2001-2005) and a foreign policy advisor to President Obama’s campaign in 2008 told the newspaper.
The US apparently wasn’t ready to actually go into Syria to get rid of the president and so it had to tone down its rhetoric, he added.
The former diplomat noted however that the position of the Obama administration on the future of President Assad remained unchanged as the US doesn’t think that he could contribute to the solution of the Syrian problem.
He might be allowed to take part in the beginning of the national reconciliation process, Daniel C. Kurtzer suggested.
Retired Israeli Brig. General Shlomo Brom, former director of strategic planning for the Israeli Defense Forces General Staff, suggested that the US should move away from its policy of issuing slogans.
“If you proclaim that Assad must go, then it should become the main leading aspect of your policy,” he said. “And if it is only a slogan, then you do not have any real ideas on who is worth taking his seat.”
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivers a speech during a mukhtars meeting at the presidential palace on November 26, 2015 in Ankara
© AFP 2016/ ADEM ALTAN
Erdogan Claims Russia-US Deal on Syrian Ceasefire ‘Spreads Butter on Assad’s Bread’
Assad was predictable, he added, and someone whom you could send a “message” regardless of the content – be it a threat or an invitation to reconciliation.
Even when you bomb someone, the former general said, it is also some kind of a “message.”
“We understood his reasoning,” he added. “For me, Assad is not the worst option, however there are other, better opportunities in Syria. It can become more open and, to a certain degree, a more democratic country.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160229/1035531775/us-assad-ousting-rhetoric.html#ixzz41ZqGgL4z
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Respected German daily Die Welt has a platform for what it describes as “the most dangerous branch of the international terrorist network al-Qaeda”, Al-Nusra Front, to voice its threats of provoking Russia in Syria and disrupting the ceasefire in the country.
Al-Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda, has threatened to provoke Russia in Syria and to disrupt the ceasefire in the country, according to a Die Welt correspondent who met one of the jihadists in person.
Fighters from Al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate Al-Nusra Front drive in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.
© AFP 2016/ AMC / FADI AL-HALABI
Militants Affiliated With Al-Nusra Front Open Fire Amid Syria Ceasefire
The 37-year-old militant, who called himself Abu Musab al-Syri, claimed to be “responsible for propaganda” and called the truce a “stupid” measure. He revealed the terrorist group he is a member of had a strategy “to provoke Russians.”
“Al-Nusra Front necessarily wants the ceasefire to fail and the strategy for this is to provoke Russians,” Die Welt quotes the militant as saying.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160229/1035540135/alnusra-syria-ceasefire-provocation.html#ixzz41ZqXORuu
so thanks for giving them publicity?????
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Syrian hostilities map 29 Feb
http://www.anna-news.info/node/53962
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Erdogan and Turkey are pawns of the Anglo American Empire and its Zionist crime partners.
To say that Erdogan is “bullying” the poor little USA is ludicrous and conveniently minimizes America’s criminal role in arming, sponsoring, and backing its beloved “moderate” terrorists, which are plaguing Syria.
Nations Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan are not acting on their own but are sponsoring these terrorists in Syria with the support, backing, counsel–if not orders–of the Anglo Americans and Zionists.
The fact that the Anglo-controlled media is now belatedly “discovering” that their stooge Erdogan is not exactly a good guy suggests that the Anglo Americans are possibly preparing to dump him–no doubt to be replaced with a more useful Turkish stooge.
#BREAKING Erdogan may have gone mad!
Turkish president Erdogan tweets on the official Twitter account of the Turkish Presidency:
This did not go well with the public. Even his own supporters are critical. Like @eczferas who tweets: @trpresidency my dear president – i respect you more than i respect my self but wished if you didn’t say because they will use it against us
The issue is the two Turkish journalists who were jailed in November and now released (awaiting trial) by Turkey’s Constitutional Court. The journalist had revealed something about how Turkey works hand in glove with the Islamic State. The Western media was careful not to reveal to their readers what the journalist had found out. Something about “alleging that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government tried to ship arms to Islamists in Syria. This can hardly be news. The US does it openly all the time!
P.S. – In case Erdogan decides to remove the tweet, I saved a screenshot here.
Excellent reply and excellent work on spreading the truth.
Even the New York Times is hinting at the truth about Libya and Syria. This is one of two recent articles. Something is going on for this to show up. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=1
Report from Russian ministry of defense regarding truce agreements etc. for 2/29/16 from the reconciliation center:
http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/reconciliation_centre_bulletins/more.htm?id=12079689@egNews
Currently crews ANNA-NEWS operate under Raqqa, in Palmyra, Aleppo and Latakia. In all these areas, the terrorists do not stop fighting against the government army and militia. In particular, Hanasera area on the highway leading to Aleppo under the LIH attack hit a group of journalists ANNANEWS. Boy shot by Sergei Mironov, all personal items which were burned as a result of the attack. In many desert areas it has become common practice militants who prey on single machines and make short raids.
In Palmyra LIH do not stop trying to fight off the height of left earlier. These battles we constantly fix.
“Yesterday, in different areas of Aleppo, we have documented the use of permanent militants “Dzhebhat en-Nusra” home-made rockets, the so-called “Hellfire” system installed on pickups. In the evening, homemade projectiles launched blindly on peaceful neighborhoods of the city every five to ten minutes.
All the officers and soldiers of the RAA, as well as civilians, in one voice saying that the militants of the terrorist organization “Al-Nusra Dzhebha” do not even try for political reasons to change the sign. That contradicts the intelligence of our US partner, in the province of Aleppo no militants of banned terrorist organizations, but only peaceful opposition armed groups.”
http://www.anna-news.info/node/54007
Syria 29th Feb
http://www.anna-news.info/node/54003
“Saudi Arabia has acknowledged that the US-led anti-ISIS coalition has held a “political” discussion about a potential ground troop deployment in Syria. Riyadh’s statements have been criticized by Damascus as destructive and a threat to regional security.
In an interview with Reuters, an aide to Saudi Arabia’s defense minister, Brigadier General Ahmed Asseri, confirmed that defense ministers from the anti-Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) coalition debated placing ground troops on the ground in Syria during a ministerial meeting in Brussels last month.
“It was discussed two weeks ago in Brussels,” Asseri said, clarifying that the discussions took place on the “political” level only without going into details of a potential “military mission.”
The general stressed that if the decision is made, Saudis would be more than willing to contribute troops – a move that Syria strongly warned against on a number of occasions. Asseri also acknowledged that Riyadh has been working on the military implementation of a possible Syria invasion.
“Once this is organized, and decided how many troops and how they will go and where they will go, we will participate in that,” he said.
“We need to discuss at the military level very extensively with the military experts to make sure that we have a plan.”
The Saudi general stressed that for the time being, the Kingdom’s air force is ready to strike Islamic State targets from Turkey’s Incirlik air base, where four Saudi fighter jets were deployed last month.
Washington also confirmed Saudi Arabia’s’ willingness to strike targets in Syria, with State Department spokesman John Kirby saying that the US would welcome the Kingdom’s participation.
“But there’s a lot that needs to be discussed in terms of what they would do, what their makeup would be, how they would need to be supported by the coalition going forward. So there’s a lot of homework that needs to be done,” Kirby said.
Saudi Arabia’s push for ground incursion into Syria comes at a time when Moscow warned that Turkey is strengthening its military positions on the border with Syria at a time when US and Russia are doing their best to cement a fragile ceasefire in the country.
On Monday, an official source at the Syrian Foreign and Expatriates Ministry told Syria’s official SANA news agency that Saudi Arabia is playing a “destructive role” in the peace process while “threatening security and stability” of the world.
The statement came in reply to Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir comments that he made on Sunday, accusing Syrian troops of violating the ceasefire brokered by Russia and the US, and reiterating the Kingdom’s position that Bashar Assad has no place in the future of Syria.
The Syrian official stressed that Al-Jubeir’s statements violate UN Security Council resolution 2268 that endorses the ceasefire. The resolution specifically demands that all parties to the agreement use their influence to ensure that parties to the Syrian conflict fulfill their commitments and create the conditions for a durable ceasefire.
In this regards, the source told SANA that Damascus requests that the UN Secretary-General form a committee to examine the possibility of “crimes that were committed and are still being committed by the Saudi regime and in the Arab world.”
Meanwhile, a US defense official told Reuters that Washington will continue to support forces on the ground in Syria that fight against Islamic State terrorists.
“We will continue to provide equipment packages to vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled,” the official said. “As a matter of policy, we won’t comment or speculate on potential future operations.”
https://www.rt.com/news/334048-saudi-syria-ground-invasion/
today 1st March
It might be embarrassing if Erdogan has to face a fair trail, and too much information is brought into the light of day. He might have to be killed, or suffer an unfortunately terrible accident.
USA created ISIS during Iraq, using false accusations against Erdoğan and Turkey do not serve for the interests of USA and Turkey. We have a long border with Syira and YPG has clear connection with PKK. Their threats have strong security effects on Turkey. Turkey face dangerous both from PKK and ISIS. USA says only focus on ISIS, its not fair. we did not created ISIS but everyone blames us for it. Please dont use false accusation against Turkey, let us did know if you ever find chemical or nuclear bomb in Iraq. Turkey can accept YPG if PKK would drop weapons against her.
USA should put pressure on PKK for putting their down arms. Afterwords Turkey would accept every movement of USA in Syria.
It is obvious that this essay has been written in line with the national interests of the West and indeed the United States. Erdogan is certainly today’s true leader that prioritise not only his country’s national interests but also the regions and the Islamic World. This is why Erdogan has been on the spot and targeted with a harsh language full of lies in “the Western Media” which mostly owned by Jewish barons.
The West is extremely fearful of Erdogan, because Western leaders knows that New Turkey established by Erdogan threatens their evil plans on the Middle East and Africa!!!
agree
The article was written with a rational approach to the conflict in Syria based on evidence that is widely know and on my own analysis of the anticipated move to get rid of Erdogan. Any rational observer knows that: Erdogan has provided extensive support to Al Nusra and ISIS; Erdogan has attacked his own people with anti PKK operations taking the form of attacks on major city populations; Erdogan has taken over Turkish corporations, including critical media groups, through dictatorial power and without any legal basis; Erdogan has engaged in criminal activities as evidenced by his own voice on audiotapes; and much more to the detriment of his nation.
The fact that I believe that Erdogan will be “retired” due to his aggressive attitude toward the U.S. does not mean that I endorse that. It means that Erdogan is a fool for his ongoing bellicose rhetoric and his ongoing support for Al Qaeda aligned terrorists in Syria. Erdogan has also, clearly, extorted money from the EU to deal with refugees while failing to do any of that. Across the board distrust of his government and a move to get rid of it is the way things work.
As for Erdogan’s Ottoman fantasies, name a few nations closely allied to Turkey. They don’t exist, they’re not there other than Saudi Arabia (not exactly an island of sanity). If the US/NATO did nothing, Erdogan’s terrible policies would continue to alienate neighbors and reduce the prospects for Turks who now find themselves living in a very real dictatorship.
Why is the current Turkish government obsessed with the YPG? There are several reasons, none of them related to terrorism
Actually most of them are related to terrorism: The YPG is the armed part of PYD, The PYD is a Kurdish Syrian party and an arm of the PKK. The PKK is a brutal terrorist organization whose methods are well known such as bombing slaughtering etc.. One of their last bombings against civilians in Ankara:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/world/ankara-blast/
Dont waste your time Emre.They can not even explain killing 2 million ppl in Iraq
Usa ,russia ,france and others even Denmark bombs syria
Nice article but the reasoning spans a very narrow time period to surface the roots of the middle-east conflict b/w the USA & Turkey.
It was just before the first Gulf War that USA started to support & to empower Islamic parties in Turkey. Having NATO air bases as a ready asset that would be used whilst invading Iraq (and for next possible acquirement in the future); Turkey was to be supported to stay as stable as possible. If an Islamic neighbor state, Iraq, was to be invaded by USA via NATO bases in Turkey, then it was very difficult for Turkey to stay stable, with an Islamic population as high as 99.9%. That is the reason why ANAP (Motherland Party), the pro-Islamic liberal party in Turkey, was empowered by Bush: the Islamic nature of the party had to be used as a shield for USA to obstruct the possible negative reactions from Turkish citizens, for keeping the air base in service through the invasion.
After the first Gulf War, the unstable conditions in Iraq led the Kurds in northern Iraq to behave partly autonomous; and Turgut Ozal, the former leader of ANAP and the president of Turkey at the time, started cheating on USA: Ozal convinced the government of the northern Iraq that “the billions and billions of dollars out of petroleum would mean not much in the midst of middle-east, unless it was spent and enjoyed in Istanbul, Izmir, Antalya… the leisure cities of Turkey”; leading to an intercourse b/w northern Iraq & Turkey, which might eventually end with a marriage of the two states creating a federation of the two nations (some unspoken rumors in Turkey associate Ozal’s early death to his cheating and pro-Ottoman dreams).
Almost the same scenario was on the stage after the second Gulf War with different players, except Saddam Hussein: episode 1 – USA empowering an Islamic party in Turkey (this time AKP), episode 2 – invasion (this time, Saddam was gone forever), episode 3 – Erdogan cheating on USA and an triggering a new intercourse b/w northern Iraq & Turkey (pro-Ottoman dreams, again)…
Strangely, this time, the act took a little longer and the horn passed the ear: in addition to northern Iraq, Erdogan promised the Kurds a greater federation, not only including the northern Iraq but also the northern Syria as a sub state of a greater federation; which the USA was indeed not satisfied at all, as before.
This story sounds more intimate, explaining Turkey’s efforts in the destabilization of status quo in Syria.
Thanks for that article. Very convincing, very informative. And sounds hopeful for the future. Sickening in the iteration of the US and UK’s and NATO’s perfidy but hopeful that something might be done about Erdogan.
I wouldn’t bet on it, though. That perfidy runs deep and wide. Deep. And wide.
Don’t we all know this, now?
Just look: we still have all the same players in the US that have been there pulling strings, deceiving and manipulating, destroying, since 911. The same. And now the plan is to put one of them in the President’s office.
Do I sound convincing? Authoritative? I shouldn’t. I’m an uneducated proletarian observer simply giving voice to how it looks from here.
I’d like to know about it if it is not as it seems.
Collins’ analysis is brilliant, clear, well written, and leaves several questions: How has German Chancellor’s sudden embrace of Turkey with the EU/Turkish Agreement over the relocation of the millions of USNATO world war refugees back to Turkey being replaced with new refugees, the doubling of theTurkish extortion funds from 3 billion to 6 billion, and all the other demands, excluding none? I sense the “game” which it is clearly not, has altered greatly with her smiling pleasure to be able to ratchet it up into the stratosphere. Correct?
A fact never mentioned in all of the alternative news articles I read is that the Merkel Agreement terms violates Greek Law, Turkish Law and International Law. That the Agreement had to be 100% supported, signed by, each European Union member state, makes the Agreement that more strange and European threatening. Makes peace and stablization rest on a very sharp knife edge. To what end? I mention and post it regularly.
To me, my view too short maybe, looks like Merkel herself benefits by being twinned with what is erroneously termed US ultimate power. Not unlike how the last two Netherlands Queens gave Netherlands openly to the US to use as it wills.
Obama fire erdogan? Yeah right, they’re both puppets working for the same kosher master.