Airstrikes in Libya did not take place – Russian military

Anonymous on March 01, 2011 · at 10:02 pm EST/EDT

Saker,

We are seeing the real politick here. US-UK have been doing business with Libya since Gadafi took the government. (buying oil-selling arms) for over 40 years. Now Clinton, ONU et al are worried because the poor people of Libya have had a cruel dictator and they are ready to invade the country on the name of democracy. What a cynical way of being. I totally agree that the people of Libya deserve to have the government they believe is better for them. We do not need and want another war in the name of the freedom.
Another thing not discussed is the unexpected financial consequences of the riots in Arab countries, under the hypocritical pretext of sanctions in favor of democracy: United States, Britain and Switzerland are seizing the colossal wealth deposited in their banks for satraps ousted (their former allies). This sordid affair of Anglo-Swiss financial plunder deserves special scrutiny.
What do you think Saker?
Do we have just to sit and watch from our desk? can we do something make honest changes?
my best

VINEYARDSAKER: on March 01, 2011 · at 10:43 pm EST/EDT

@Anonymous: What do you think Saker? Do we have just to sit and watch from our desk? can we do something make honest changes?

Ah, THE question. Well, I think that we all can make a change somewhere, no necessarily in Libya, but somewhere closer to us. The old hippie slogan still applies: “act locally, think globally”.

I have come to the conclusion that violence and lies are inexorably linked to each other. So the one thing we can ALL do is what the Russian author Alexander Solzhenitsyn advocated in his article “Live not by the lie”. Check it out here:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2007/05/ussr-1974-usa-2007-back-to-future.html

Another thing we can all do is switch off the telescreens:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2010/02/take-revenge-on-these-bastards-now.html

Lastly, let your conscience tell you what you shall do next :-)

Kind regards,

The Saker

Anonymous on March 02, 2011 · at 2:54 am EST/EDT

so what else is being reported about Libya that is not so?

Good to see Russians confirming this:

‘The Politics of Al Jazeera

Al Jazeera is not a neutral actor. It is subordinate to the Emir of Qatar and the Qatari government, which is also an autocracy. By picking and choosing what to report, Al Jazeera’s coverage of Libya is biased. This is evident when one studies Al Jazeera’s coverage of Bahrain, which has been restrained due to political ties between the leaders of Bahrain and Qatar.

Reports by Al Jazeera about Libyan jets firing on protesters in Tripoli and the major cities are unverified and questionable. [9] Here to, the reports that Libyan jets have been attacking people in the streets have not been verified. No visual evidence of the jet attacks has been shown, while visual confirmation about other events have been coming out of Libya.

Al Jazeera is not alone in its biased reporting from Libya.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168588.html

brian

Anonymous on March 02, 2011 · at 2:56 am EST/EDT

‘Now Clinton, ONU et al are worried because the poor people of Libya have had a cruel dictator and they are ready to invade the country on the name of democracy’

not so..please repeating a lie does not make it true:

lets look at Gadaffis Libya:

‘Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.

People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.’
http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2011/02/world-cheers-as-cia-plunges-libya-into.html

brian

Anonymous on March 02, 2011 · at 3:06 am EST/EDT

Isn’t it odd that Gafafi was the only Moslem state to support Serbia during the Balkan campaigns and then his head is on the chopping block next?

VINEYARDSAKER: on March 02, 2011 · at 4:11 am EST/EDT

@Brian: I have mixed feeling about al-Jazeera. I happen to be quite delighted by the fact that al-Jazeera is greatly contributing to the overthrow of Arab dictators, but that does not prevent me from seeing that al-Jazeera is also clearly partisan in their coverage. But is that really wrong?

I am not sure that “objective” or “unbiased” reporting/journalism is even possible. Maybe it is better to follow al-Jazeera’s example and openly display their sympathies.

Ditto for RT. Clearly and undoubtedly RT is opposed to the USraelian Empire. But is that wrong? I am not so sure.

Then there is the case of Press TV which took a long time to decide whether it was supporting Ahmadinejad or Mousavi. That is not the most honorable position, I think, I would have preferred a clearly spelled out position. At least with al-Jazeera it is quite clear that they are opposed to Fatah, Mubarak and the rest of the Zionist puppets. I say good for them.

Where I have a bigger problem with them is when they dumb down their reporting. The way they fully endorsed the “airforce attacks against civilians” myth really bugs me.

I don’t mind bias, partisanship or engagement. But I *DO* resent falsehood. I guess I would say that everybody is entitled to his/her opinions, but not to his/her facts. Facts, I think, are axiomatically non-partisan, non-biased. They simply are, or are not.
I want Gaddafi to be overthrown; I have not sympathy for the man. But not with lies, not by invented (pseudo-) facts, not by lies.

There is no worthy cause which can be defended or promoted by lies.

I think that al-Jazeera screwed up. Badly. But they still are way, way better than the US Zionist corporate press. IMHO.

Cheers,

The Saker

Anonymous on March 02, 2011 · at 11:06 am EST/EDT

‘I want Gaddafi to be overthrown; I have not sympathy for the man. But not with lies, not by invented (pseudo-) facts, not by lies.’

you dond even know the man…or what will happen if you get him killed?
will u take responsibility for what happens? No

This sort of wish is irresponsible..Gaddafi is a libyan…and we are not

Brian

Anonymous on March 02, 2011 · at 11:14 am EST/EDT

and i need to add that if the russians are correct, and at least here we have some evidence not hearsay, then we have been lied to again and again about Gadaffi…standard tactic…just keep up the lie and the hoy poloi will believe.
So far ive seen nothing that would make me treat Gaddaffi as a madman, tyrant, thief, liar or criminal…

You may like to read up on Raymond davis and how the western press cant tell the truth about him:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/time-m01.shtml
or about anything..

regard
Brian