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Well, so much for lessons learned from/during ‘The Great War.’
The West’s silence is again fully self-explanatory.
Oh, and how about the MH17 cockpit voice recorder? It doesn’t take weeks to decipher what’s on it…
Unfortunately that’s the MO. Blitzkrieg of propaganda and then nothing. Old Nazi technique. Despicable isn’t it? I knew from the start who shot down that plane and I knew why. The bastards got what they wanted out of this. But keep in mind that intelligent people all over the world can see through this. Also, countries like China and India are wise to it.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html
Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17
Another prove, if we can’t have it we will put everything on fire.
I hope it is not going to be last for long and all of them will be hanged. Last European independent news published, they are planing to hang all of these monsters before their escape.
Frankly depressing, as one knows that if it gets hit and really goes the Kiev Government(?) will claim it is the Rebels. Just humiliating to watch the way Russians are treated in Ukraine. Just humiliating. I hope Putin puts his troops in an goes to the border of Poland. Then performs legal justice on every one of the current Parasite PMs. My personal count on acquaintances dead in Ukraine is now five. All civilians. Three Artillery, two at road block. All women/children and one boy of 18.
This is a really Evil, Evil government. They eliminated the environmentalist lobby in the country. Billionaire want to be Biden is busy preparing to rape Eastern Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Racists are simply waiting for the end, so they can cleanse the East of the last of the Russians. We no longer know the status of our apartments in Lugansk. Evil, Evil Government. Boycott Rosen candy – it has blood mixed in with the chocolate.
Chemical warfare against civilians is part of NATO’s military strategy. In 1999 NATO bombed the Pancevo chemical plant to trigger an environmental catastrophe in Yugoslavia, too.
“By using thermal images, NATO was able to identify which of the tanks were still filled to the brim with toxic chemicals. Among these noxious liquids were containers of ethylene-dichloride (EDC), ethylene, chlorine, chlorine-hydrogen, propylene and vinyl chloride monomers (VCM). Well documented by environmentalists, the VCM monomer used to produce plastics (eg. PVC resin) is a dangerous carcinogenic contaminant (see photo 2). Vinyl chloride also has the potential to cause neurological and liver damage, as well as damage to the fetus causing serious birth defects.”
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311C.html
video and photos of the war crime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h9BViA-sbU&t=1m
http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=/content/photos/pancevo.incl
I looked up monochloronitrobenzene and one variant of it is “known to the State of California” to cause cancer. I suspect it’s known to the state of Ukraine also.
Stirol is Big Fertilizer, and its main man is Dmitry Firtash, currently under arrest in Vienna and fighting extradition to the US, which doesn’t like him and has been after him for some time.
Guess if they can’t have him they’ll just break his toys. And poison the neighborhood as a side effect.
The more ugly and deadly, and clever and pinpoint it gets, the more pathetic the dynamic behind it appears. The banality of evil indeed.
Firtash: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9185791/dont-call-him-an-oligarch-meeting-dmitry-firtash/
Why is there no crater around these missiles? I don’t understand what I am looking at.
If this goes up and causes a catastrophe Russia will have no choice but to intervene militarily.
@ 11 August, 2014 01:07
Larchmonter445 said…
American Kulak and Where-Wolf
“This war is very tough to follow emotionally. It is stunning how personal it seems each day. The tragedy is intimate and maddening. So, we sometimes lose track of the high level stakes for Putin and Russia’s future.”
“Your thoughts, both of you, help us work through this impatience to get some retribution.”
This. I copied and pasted from the previous thread so I could second what you’ve said. It is hard emotionally. Every time you think the Kiev assaults have hit rock bottom they find another way to kill people and spready mayhem, this time by attacking a chemical plant. Which the Maidan/Kievista troll armies will inevitably say the rebels did to themselves. They’ve been saying all anti-Kiev forces either did the deed to themselves or ‘had it comin’ ala Cathy Young in Slate today describing Odessa’s premeditated progrom as the massacre of ‘around 40 separatists in clashes’.
As Larchmonter says, ‘win the war’. But win it with your soul intact, and keep an eye on the big prize which is a world where the petrodollars to fund all these wars and cruelties evaporate. Yes, even at great cost to the American people if that’s what it takes for the sheeple to finally wake up and take back this country, or at least parts of it. I don’t like Nora’s ‘we’ when it comes to all of this but I accept it in the metaphysical or spiritual sense with which I think she intends it, not that every American pulled the triggers for the Azov Battalion or shipped those Javelins to the Ukie National Guard.
Everyone, please stop advocating for the deployment of Russian troops in Ukraine. It is not about winning a battle -it is about winning a war. I know how painful it is watching the slaughter of innocent people by the Zio-Nazi animals but there is so much more at stake here then just Donbas. This is about the future of humanity and Putin has to outclass the reptilians of wall street on every imaginable level. This is a very complex and dangerous game and only 10% of it is visible. It might take years before this whole thing is resolved.
Last weekend there was info a chem plant in Novorossia that was going to be targeted by Israel-America’s nazi forces in the Ukraine. Now we see that those same fascists actually fired on this chem plant. Foiled by exposure of their previous falseflag mass terror plot, the ZPC/NWO tries this new terror op at Stirol.
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Dorogoi Saker and Friends,
I have nothing worthwhile to add to the excellent commentary and comments on your blog even though I follow it most days.
Unfortunately, my doctor (PCP) is a Russia hating Ukie married to an Anglo. My first visit w/ her was contentious; she just ragged on Russia.
Now I have to see her again to get a referral. Any suggestions from anybody? Saker?
Sorry to be off topic.
Lindka
I get that there is a high degree of risk and also that the Ukrainians may strike the chemical plant with disastrous consequences.
I have also been a fierce critic of the Kiev and Empire propaganda war on MSM web sites
With respect to this video, doesn’t it look as those used missile pieces have been a little too carefully placed? And by some miracle they did not damage anything?
Kiev puppets just mimic what their NATO-zis masters did in Serbia in 1999.
Everyone: I have been reading Saker’s site for several months and deeply appreciate most of the thoughts and feelings expressed here.As an American I have made many trips to these countries and have rejoiced in their willingness and generosity in sharing their richness of culture with someone who abhorred her own. I am so deeply ashamed of what the United States has wrought in its evil corruption everywhere. I am totally disillusioned and broken hearted by how these evil Zionist neocons and their puppets and prostitutes have brought harm,death and destruction to millions everywhere and are continuing to destroy the entire planet.
Lindka 03:19
Just try to keep the peace…I always feel like, “in your after life you will see the truth and be ashamed”
Anonymous said…11 August, 2014 02:25
“Why is there no crater around these missiles? I don’t understand what I am looking at.”
Tom said…11 August, 2014 03:20
“With respect to this video, doesn’t it look as those used missile pieces have been a little too carefully placed? And by some miracle they did not damage anything?”
There is no crater because the missile didn’t explode on striking the ground. I’ve seen many of these rockets buried like that in previous videos. These rockets strike the ground at high velocity, much like when one shoots a bullet into the ground (try it sometime). No crater, one sees the rocket tail sticking up because it is a lot larger, that’s all.
The munitions of the Ukrainian forces are fraught with many duds due to poor maintenance and many being old. Many of the rockets and shells Israel’s expendable nazis in the Ukraine fire fail to explode properly. This, I am speculating, accounts for the rocket bodies often photographed and videoed. Incidentally, the Novorussia militias have also had a lot of trouble with captured Ukrainian munitions that no longer worked (duds).
BTW, “Tom”, nice try, but no cigar.
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I have been reading Naomi Klein’s book “The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. “
every war fought in the past 20 or so years has this book as blueprint.
War is business* but rebuild of devastated country is even greater business*
*heist
“11 August, 2014 03:19 Unfortunately, my doctor (PCP) is a Russia hating Ukie married to an Anglo. My first visit w/ her was contentious; she just ragged on Russia.”
there are some sayings that I use when dealing with zombies:
TV is a truth producing machine
Journalists are paid to vomit the truth
Politicians are hired to puke the truth
There are people who think with their TV
Brain surgery is done on ordinary people when they switch TV channels (if they don’t get it – repeat the previous statement)
Espina said
BOT TAK @ 4;27
You’re as sharp as a tack,keep on keeping on :)
regards
Espina
Given that there’s no dispute that the Junta forces are firing upon civilian areas there’s no real need to fake this stuff. We already know that the Junta forces are doing this stuff. Firing upon a chemical plant is what is to be expected and the message from the site’s Press Officer is an expected response to such attacks.
Perhaps the plant has been lucky to have not been hit by live munitions.
Even if the whole video was a fake the point being made is a good one and a viable warning to both the Junta and their handlers.
Today, from the Ron Paul Institute:
Volume 2, No. 22, August 11, 2014
US Sanctions on Russia May Sink the Dollar
by Ron Paul
“The US government’s decision to apply more sanctions on Russia is a grave mistake and will only escalate an already tense situation, ultimately harming the US economy itself. While the effect of sanctions on the dollar may not be appreciated in the short term, in the long run these sanctions are just another step toward the dollar’s eventual demise as the world’s reserve currency.”
The real reason for killing e.ukraine!
its all about gas….
fracking gas!
Its why Kiev will never allow federalization and why they dont care if they pollute the place since it will get a lot more polluted anyway and the less people that live there the less people they would have to intimidate in the future. If all the people move to Russia and Ukraine dont have to deal with the problem then all the better. Hunter Biden should have been a red flag on the why and what was going on.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/10/long-before-the-fearofwartherewasfearoffrackinginukraine.html
Lindka, just change doctor. The mix of obtuseness and hatred is a bad recipe for good health. Don’t think it’s too hard; I am one statement away from getting rid of some relatives.
Lindka,
I agree with Maedhros, and for another reason too. Doctors are just as subject to their emotions as anyone else. If the two of you have already locked horns (well, okay, disagreed rather strongly), your doctor was every bit as affected by it as you were: how could it be otherwise? And despite his or her training and even desire to put those differences aside, there’s probably still some residue there that *could* make a difference, say, just in how seriously he or she takes various of your complaints. Why take a chance? jmo, but I know I’d be looking for someone else.
Though hardly in the class of the secret 1971 Indo-Soviet defence pact – which stated that each country will come to the aid of the other if attacked (and which was activated during the 1971 India-Pakistan War) – the above treaty is as close as you can get these days without entering into a military pact.
In fact, there is no parallel to this treaty with any other agreement signed with another country, which is a measure of the strategic nature of the Russia-India engagement.
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/08/09/high_up_on_indias_treaty_meter_37303.html
Now that IS intresting…
Suddenly now the swedish media are talking about the success of Ukraine in beginning to defeat what they call “the pro-Russian rebels”. The silence and now the triumphalism is unmistakable. I agree with those who argue that Russia should stay out of it. But I also feel that the EU has much to answer for. I have never seen such blatant misuse of the corporate media. Russia has achieved much in its counter-sanctions that make so many Council members squeal like stuck pigs. Russia also as done much to undermine the dollar and build an alliance with China.
apparently, an agreement about humanitarian corridor has been reached. this will, as in Vukovar (when serbian chetniks along with Yugoslav army used humanitarian aid to break into besieged city), enable butchers to penetrate defense lines and further weaken defense of DNR and LNR.
same pattern, different time.
Alien Tech said:
It’s all about gas.
The same goes for Gaza:
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/home/these-6-nations-have-been-destroyed-by-israels-demand-for-natural-gas/
Katherine
Ukraine/Russia-crisis explained:
It seems simple:
capitalism needs to grow->this has stopped->capitalism lowers wages in order “to grow” -> this has already been done in the west->how to continue to grow profits?->get everybody into depth and play casino->that has reaced its limits.
What is left for the west to “grow”? Simple: go for theft of other countries.
That explains why they are after Russia. Forget all the blabla about human rights, being partner and so on.
Capitalism now forces them to go for major theft.
BTW: Russia would do the same if they were already developed to the max.
Hence it is capitalism, stupid!
(= it has nothing to do w/ specific nations or beliefs).
@Lindka,
Find yourself another doctor.
There are some few good ones out there.
Might be of relevance to what is going on in Ukraine…
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971
Oh BTW, the US wanted to make sure india did not win the war because it might have weakened pakistan and created an axis of russia-pakistan-india.. Unlike now where its an axis of Iran-Pakistan-India-china-russia and a couple of other countries in the SCO.. hence the US support of dictators in iran and pakistan.. And US policies itself created what it feared the most. Although I think strip cavity searching an untouchable indian diplomat might have had a lot to do with pushing an extremist right wing nationalist higher caste indian PM to show everyone he wont take the insult and bow down to existential threats of pakistan and china..
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11 AUGUST, 2014 04:11
By “carefully placed”, I am referring to the missile body with the flag markers around it at 1:40+ of the video. The missile is resting on undisturbed gravel, almost touching 2 blue diagonal struts (neither of which has a dent or scratch), just behind a white concrete curb, which also miraculously does not have any sign of being chipped or scratch.
The probability of that happening from a fired missile would be as close to zero as you can possibly get. That missile fracment was placed there.
@Ann, Anonymous, Maedhros, Nora and Carmel by the Sea,
Thank you all for your suggestions. Unfortunately, in Podunk, AZ, the pickings are slim. Guess I’ll just wear earplugs on my next visit. Ha ha.
Thank you also for all your insightful comments re the crisis in Ukraine!
Lindka
Espina said…11 August, 2014 09:41
Thanks and cheers.
Tom said…11 August, 2014 21:41
“By “carefully placed”, I am referring to the missile body with the flag markers around it at 1:40+ of the video. The missile is resting on undisturbed gravel, almost touching 2 blue diagonal struts (neither of which has a dent or scratch), just behind a white concrete curb, which also miraculously does not have any sign of being chipped or scratch.
The probability of that happening from a fired missile would be as close to zero as you can possibly get. That missile fracment was placed there.”
Are you serious? :D If so, your implying the missile parts were moved as part of some kind of deception is really pathetic.
The missile body (sans warhead) was obviously a dud, or partial dud, that had struck something and then fallen there, or had been moved from where it did strike to get it out of the way. Such as the road or driveway it’s next to.
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