CrossTalk: Ukraine’s Free Fall

the pug on October 18, 2014 · at 4:37 am EST/EDT

I liked Mercouris’s observation that Poroshenko has stayed in power and will stay in power in at least the short term, because the alternatives to Poroshenko are simply too repulsive.

Ann on October 18, 2014 · at 4:43 am EST/EDT

What a fantastic discussion. And I feel as if I know them…Saker you’re the best.

One thing I did wonder when they were talking about “who benefits from the distablization?”

I thought of Hunter Biden and his fracking business. Is it possible that destabilization IS the ultimate goal ? Its very repetitive and this excuse for all these terrible situations worldwide…this excuse for the mess is naive, on the part of many of the atlernative media and political specialists I think. The policy of destablizing the world is ON purpose for financial gain. Its a horrible truth but there we have it.

Anonymous on October 18, 2014 · at 12:10 pm EST/EDT

Ukraine is nothing more than a puppet state of the USSA. The USSA is using the Ukraine to destabilize Russia, and couldn’t care less what happens to the average Ukrainian. Just look Libya, once the most prosperous country in Africa, now reduced to a third world hell hole. Nothing will be resolved since the worse off the Ukies are, the easier for the USSA to harm Russia. To the Americans, the Ukies are dumb cattle, to be slaughtered; meanwhile the EU will never accept a failed state like the Ukraine.

Anonymous on October 18, 2014 · at 3:55 pm EST/EDT

Ukraine is the Western Waterloo event due to the death of the PetroDollar. The Anglo/USSA/Israeli ( Axis of Evil) empire is on the way out. Cyprus was an attack on Russia/Gazprom’s sale of US treasuries/ bonds in exchange for Gold. Syria was about disrupting the Iran-Syria (Gazporm) Natgas pipeline to supply Europe. Ukraine has been about disrupting European (Gazrom) Natgas flows thereby throwing Europe under the bus to buy a few days extra of remaining glory for the USSA and creating chaos on Russia’s doorstep. Gaza is about offshore Natgas that is being stolen by Israel.

Ukraine will be irrelevant to Russia from an energy standpoint by the end of 2015 when the Southstream pipeline goes online and bypasses Ukraine.

When in doubt about ask yourself “Cui bono” and follow the money. Chances are high you will find who is responsible. All wars are banker wars.

The USSA is rapidly losing allies and will be a failed third world state within the next five years as the Petrodollar is rejected and replaced with the PetroYuan and/or PetroRuble in transition to the Gold Trade settlement note.

The Petrodollar is the single most important economic factor in the world. Most goobers have no idea what the Petrodollar is. As the Petrodollar dies in the near future so goes the trifecta of evil.

I lived in Kherson, Ukraine for 2 1/2 years and left June 2013 because I saw the train coming. Ukraine will be a mess for a long time, will be broken up, and the East will go back to Russia.

May the inbred AshkeNAZIs and the Rothschild state they occupy burn in hell.

“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy control whole continents; who controls money can control the world” – Henry Kissenger

Anonymous on October 18, 2014 · at 7:19 pm EST/EDT

Continuation of above

For an excellent background on the history of the Petrodollar, please watch the following three part interview: http://www.larsschall.com/2013/07/17/lars-schall-interviews-f-william-engdahl-on-finance-geopolitics-and-oil/

Crude Oil is the #1 traded commodity in the world. It is currently traded in $USD for now. Gold is the #2 traded commodity in the world.

The Gold Trade settlement note will be a real and fair way of trade. This will kill fractional reserve banking and force responsible fiscal policies onto parasitical slave governments of the banker cabal owners of the world.

Anonymous on October 18, 2014 · at 8:44 pm EST/EDT

I partilally agree with all three contributors on this crosstalk.

Alexander is right that Poroshenko still remains the most appropriate moderate leader. If it does come to the point that he is ousted, this is where it will become really messy.

Then you will have the far right radicals and nazis come to power infiltrating the government which will really begin a Ukraine wide civil war.

As with Krausss’ and Charles’ opinions on the predominant feeling of Ukraine, it is complicated, but with time will simmer and divide like oil mixed in water, and the constituent parts will show in the end.

The far west of Ukraine was always very different in mentality to central Ukraine and Ukraine east of the Dnieper, almost to a point it lost everything Slavic, that it has no common trait with the Slavic people but language. This part of Ukraine was for a large part of history under different central European states, which is also shown by that part of the countries largely Catholic presence.

The large part of Ukraine’s culture is still very Slavic and it is demonstrated over much over Ukraine from the far east to the most western parts of Central Ukraine – Vinnitsa and Zhitomyr.

Not only the culture, but the Russian language use, and family connections, Orthodox faith.

As with Krauss, yes the Ukraine has ‘taken-on’ a largely anti-Russian sentiment that has just occured only recently in the last 20 or so years and spread by the aspirations of western Ukraine. This has largely been due to the social engineering of ‘The West’. Yes it is a synthetic coating, which will wear off when Ukraine realises its European aspirations are years away, which by then Europe will be once again sovereign and not in the Union it is in now.

The change of obedience to the EU and aspiring to the EU is what happens when a poor, struggling country is given an ‘enticer’ candy by the EU that is in better shape. You don’t abandon your real family for the riches you are offered….but this is what Ukraine is doing.

It is the same case with Serbia. A country poor economically, dreaming that by joining the EU they will get rich overnight. Poor countries of Europe will do anything just to get rich. In the famous Serbian saying, “one sold his faith for a meal”. This is what people will do in desperation at the expense of their honour and integrity.

In conclusion, Ukraine must partition along the lines of allegiance. To keep a unified state is not attainable. It was put together of parts, and now as it is not functioning must come apart again for the better of the people.

Seamus Padraig on October 19, 2014 · at 2:03 pm EST/EDT

@Ann (18 October, 2014 04:43) & Anonymous (18 October, 2014 12:10):

You are both right on the money. Destabilization has become one of Uncle Scam’s favorite weapons. If an enemy state is weak enough, they’ll try and destabilize them directly. If that doesn’t work, they’ll try and destabilize a weaker neighbor or ally. They have now used the same playbook against Russia, Iran and China. Small wonder these countries are banding together for defense.

Ann on October 20, 2014 · at 4:20 am EST/EDT

Hi Anonymous

“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy control whole continents; who controls money can control the world” – Henry Kissenger”

I think that philosophy is so out of touch with reality.

What happens to all those control freaks when they die ? Then they have zip…negative zip for all their success in this world.

I wouldn’t want to have their “karma”