Dear Saker, hopefully someone from Greece can give an analysis on this blog of the probable Syriza victory, but not too economic/ technical:
As a total layperson I notice every time I can be convinced, even within half an hour, of completely opposite economic viewpoints, all seem completely logical to when explained. Which means I have no clue. Non at all! Non being that stupid, many more people like me must exist here…
I think Greece is now at the forefront of the EU collapsing. The empire and Brussels will do everything to make an example out of the country, and what terrible things await us when we resist the plundering. And the Syriza people will make some mistakes along the way, due to lack of experience and newness of their system of government.
Russia under economic Pressure, they might not be very happy to give a helping hand, but to me it seems Greece might be the start of pulling the southern EU countries away from Brussels. Perhaps even from France to Slovakia…
This is a pretty short but precise summary of what is actually going on in Greece right now.
The treacherous europhile and corrupt elites are in full panic mode. Their efforts to bribe MPs ahead of the vote have leaked and they are now desperately trying to cover up. The Greek and European MSM will soon shift into overdrive in a smear campaign against SYRIZA.
This could well be the beginning of the end for the EU project.
Just in passing, I just now got the latest email from http://revcom.us/index.html which I subscribe to, among many other sites and orgs.
This is ‘The Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, and some some interesting material (which I rarely have time to delve into). I thought some here might be interested in checking it out.
Other interesting links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOnZeuwgWQ0 Jeddah Economic Forum – Modern Monetary Theory and Employment Guarantee -March 19 2014 Binzagr Institute for Sustainable Prosperity
A google search yields links to new videos and work from MMT people — it’s continuing, and looks to me like the major economic thrust for the 21st century.
The thing about a world war — which we are engaged in even if not shooting everywhere — is that it is on many fronts and with innumerable battle, large and small, and it’s not nearly possible to keep up with it all in specifics. There is an immense number of things going on.
Good that the Donetsk companies are being nationalized — seems to be a foregone conclusion they would be but all these take some time to do while changes are consolidated and loose strings tied up.
Finally, having neglected it so far, I wish and hope everyone is having a good Catmas season, or whatever traditions and system you follow, and have a good new year.
Rootman — economics is an area where there is a huge amount of flim-flam and effective propaganda. I am very impressed with MMT because it not only makes sense but can be, and is, explained in very simple and non-technical terms, which an indicator of a thing which is likely true, and based on tangible reality.
Below is an email I recently sent as explanation to an American cyber friend, which may help. The EU has destroyed sovereign money, and nations’ monetary policy as a tool as well.
———– But the problem is not just such banks and other financial institutions going under [regarding ‘free banking’ issuing ‘money’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_in_the_United_States#1837.E2.80.931863:_.22Free_Banking.22_Era ], although that certainly is a problem – look at Lehman Bros. The problem is that such bank notes is not actual money. Money is a creature of law, a legal structure controlled by the constitution and legislature, and ‘legal tender’, not just a commodity or IOU. Money is the only thing the government allows taxes to be paid with for instance. All this get complicated in detail and history, of course, but the bottom line is that the federal government is the only body which can authorize actual money because that’s the only body constitutionally authorized to do so, and which forms the basis of the national economy — everybody else is not a creator of money but a user of it.
We hear all kinds of nonsense about deficits and taxes. Suppose tomorrow the government decides to eliminate all national debt by taxing everyone according to how much money they had, at a rate of 100%, requiring everyone to turn in ALL the money they had. No deficit at all! And they also eliminated all taxes — just as well since without any legal money no one could pay anything anyway. The politicians dream! No deficit and no taxes! The day after the entire economy would collapse utterly, with nothing in the hands of the people or private sector to buy, sell, lend, invest, or do anything else. We would be instantly reduced to only barter and promissory notes — debts which could never be paid because no one would have the legal tender, good for all debts, public and private. It would be like the scorekeeper of a ball game taking back all the point the teams scored and refusing to put up any numbers on the scoreboard.
In that situation it matters not a jot who the advisors or treasury officials are. The US and the whole economy would be completely ‘solvent’ —- and completely non-functional. Game over!
So maybe not withdraw all the money — maybe just take eliminate half of it, and wreck the economy only half way. Or leave a quarter of the deficit and wreck it only by a quarter? What number of being wrecked should we have — how much austerity and wrecking should we tolerate? Or let the government take all the money from anyone who isn’t wealthy and give the wealthy 1% all they collect, and wreck only 99% while everything else grinds to a halt? Pretty close to what we are doing now. The wealthy can then ‘lend’ money to everyone else, eventually to be paid by taking their houses, their jobs, their cars, their first born children and eventually their bodies and lives when they make them into slaves. That’s what is happening now. ———-
Mahan also grasped as early as 1901 the fundamental geopolitical realities of the Cold War that emerged from the ashes of the first two world wars. In The Problem of Asia, Mahan urged statesmen to “glance at the map” of Asia and note “the vast, uninterrupted mass of the Russian Empire, stretching without a break . . . from the meridian of western Asia Minor, until to the eastward it overpasses that of Japan.” He envisioned an expansionist Russia needing to be contained by an alliance of the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, and Japan, which is precisely what happened between 1945 and 1991. http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-geopolitical-vision-of-alfred-thayer-mahan/
The Christmas news for Han tourists is reported in this comment . Just for balance here are Christmas news for Tibetans:
…A Tibetan nomad woman died of self-immolation protest yesterday evening in Meuruma Township in Ngaba (Ch: Aba) County in Ngaba Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, in the Tibetan province of Amdo ….The travails of Tsepey’s family have only begun with the death of their daughter. Shortly after the self-immolation death of Tsepey, police detained her parents, father Chidor who is in his 60s and mother Chenpa in her late 50s, and her older brother Yimey. No reason was given for their sudden detention ….The self-immolation protest by Tsepey is the tenth this year and the total number of self-immolation protests since 2009 has now risen to 135 in Tibet.
I just cannot bear to watch that video. The very sound of Obama’s voice causes me apoplexy. There can be nothing of import from his schpeel. He’s a proven liar.
Here is a bit of news I feel is very important for people to know. Reported today in Sputnik International :
“Chinese Blogger Predicted Air Asia Disappearance Two Weeks Ago”.
“A Mysterious Chinese blogger apparently predicted the fate of Air Asia flight QZ8501 two weeks before the tragic incident occurred.
A Mysterious Chinese blogger seemingly predicted the Air Asia QZ8501 catastrophe, providing warnings to potential travellers some two weeks before the tragic incident actually happened. There is a post on some Chinese forum that is blowing up right now because apparently a user 13 days ago made a post warning people not to go on Air Asia Airline. He explained that the people that brought down MH370 is going to target another Malaysian airline to destroy Malaysia’s Air travel industry or something like that and it all has something to do with the US (my Chinese is a bit rusty),” a Reddit member wrote, referring to the mysterious Chinese blogger.
As Ulrich goldfinger said to James Bond in the movie, “first time is happenstance, second time is coincidence, but third time is definitely enemy action”. Someones definitely got Malaysia in the crosshairs.
here is Warren Mosler on deficit spending and fiscal policy and the difference between bond interest paid in gold pre 1934 and now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68vVlN3D80Q ————— In this Dr Micheal Hudson describes the predations of the Chicago school of economics currently in use,and how when this school advised in Chile,all the economics departments were shut down and their economists murdered along with their families.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqN8UMRwLs 12 mins with Max Keiser ————————— this is the MMT summit in Italy,Hudson explains the difference between Central Bank money creation,which never needs to be paid back(the bond holders get the interest),and Bank credit which must be paid back,with interest.
In a nutshell: Vast sums measured in the hundreds of Trillions,have been created by a fraudulent system of fake asset boosting,financialization,gambling on asset prices,inflating bubbles to the point of implosion.
Selling off all the infrastructure which is real,for fake wealth.
It worked in the UK under Margaret Thatcher and John Major’s policies.
All Governments copy whatever works ,it worked in Greece and Ireland and this is what is intended for Ukraine.
Everything created by our recent ancestors,union protections,legal protections most of what we accept as our rights are being removed.
The Rentier Elites want the real assets before this system is allowed to die.
IM non-expert opinion, the bottom line is that economic and environmental catastrophes will create mass societal disruption worldwide before any hypothetical organized revolution has a chance. The key for individuals and small communities will be to survive the chaos and have a chance to build a new society based on individual liberty, voluntary association and a dedication to achieving christian and communist ideals.
Weapons, ammunition, food, medicine, training . . . these are the essentials. There is likely to be a period of global guerilla warfare. The large cities in the US and their surrounding suburbs won’t make it, except to the extent that they contain military assets. Corporate and police structures will either be coopted by the military or fail.
Washington Has Shaped 2015 to Be a Year of Conflict. The Conflict Could Be Intense Paul Craig ROBERTS
In my opinion, it took the Russians and Chinese too long to comprehend the evil that has control in Washington. Therefore, both countries risk nuclear attack prior to the full operational capability of their conjoined defense. As the Western economy is a house of cards, Russia and China could collapse the Western economy before the neoconservatives can drive the world to war. As Washington’s aggression against both countries is crystal clear, Russia and China have every right to the following defensive measures.
Larchmonter sees hope in the new geopolitics created by the conjoining of Russia and China. I don’t dispute this, but if the arrogant neoconservatives realize that their hegemonic policy has created a foe over which Washington cannot prevail, they will push for a pre-emptive nuclear strike before the Russian-Chinese unified command is fully operational. To forestall a sneak attack, Russia and China should operate on full nuclear alert.
The Russian and Chinese governments both understand that their existence is threatened by Washington’s hegemonic ambitions. Larchmonter reports that in order to defeat Washington’s plans to marginalize both countries, the Russian and Chinese governments have decided to unify their economies into one and to conjoin their military commands. Henceforth, Russia and China move together on the economic and military fronts. http://www.mediafire.com/view/08rzue8ffism94t/China-Russia_Double_Helix.docx
The unity of the Bear and the Dragon reduces the crazed neoconservatives’ dream of “an American century” to dangerous nonsense. As Larchmonter puts it, “The US and NATO would need Michael the Archangel to defeat China-Russia, and from all signs Michael the Archangel is aligned with the Bear and its Orthodox culture. There is no weapon, no strategy, no tactic conceivable in the near future to damage either of these rising economies now that they are ‘base pairs.’”
In my view, Russia and China owe it to the world to prevent the nuclear war that the neoconservatives who control US policy intend by simply replying in kind to Washington’s economic warfare. Russia and China hold all the cards. Not Washington.
Russia and China should give no warning. They should just act. Indeed, instead of step by step, they should just let loose all barrels at once. With four US banks holding derivatives totaling many times world GDP, the financial explosion would be the equivalent to a nuclear one. The US would be finished, and the world would be saved.
Larchmonter is correct. 2015 could be a very good year.
How gothic your bizarre form of cult is. It’s message is: immolate yourself. We will memorialize you on the web. Nihilistic feudalism for the masses. Quality life in exile for the “leaders” and sycophant external followers. Typical cult behavior. Not good Buddhism.
Ukraine’s War: A Prelude to World War III, Says Former Ukraine Ambassador to U.S. “This is a prelude to World War III. A lot of people know this. For example, [consider] Zaporizhia nuclear power plant just 160 kilometers away from the [current] fighting. Can you imagine what a disaster might happen if it gets hit by a shell? Do we have an alternative to the Minsk talks [between Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the leaders in the rebelling area]? Can we declare war against Moscow and conduct it by means of merely a swift operation? No. Because in this case the cruise missiles will fly from Russia tomorrow against Kiev.”
Many readers here probably remember me writing about how Obama’s own mother was working in Indonesia for USAID when the CIA was using that agency to prepare similar lists for a little dictator we installed named Suharto.
Now Barack has come of age and the memories of his father (worked directly for Suharto) have compelled him to make his own little lists in Afghanistan , Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq and right here at home.
Over the years I have been writing that these drone strikes and black bag ops weren’t targeting guys in caves wearing suicide vests but rather people opposed to our puppet regimes and the neoliberal fleecing of their nations.
Hmmm…change of heart over there? someone trying to putsch Nutty out the door?? maybe even change the party name for some window dressing for the sheep.
Shai Galili, Likud’s comptroller, disqualified Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for running for the party leadership in the December 31 primary, a move that Netanyahu disputes and is likely to appeal.
Galili said Netanyahu must answer claims that he improperly used party resources in his leadership primary run.
There are reports of massive Ukraine attacks on Donetsk and Gorlovka Sunday night which are apparently being suppressed in the mainstream media. This proves how difficult it is to get accurate information at this point on the Donbass war. Links to a report on Novorossiya Today and a commentary on the event can be found at:
Now that the crash site has been located, and in shallow water, hopefully the the “black boxes” will be found and they, and the airframe, can provide enough detail on what made the aircraft crash.
I do think Malaysia was specifically targeted in all 3 cases.
Obviously the Israelis are using their quisling in the same sort of marketing/propaganda campaign they use their other tools, such as Pussy Riot. Disappointed with the suspended sentence, which defused their “cunning plan”, they want the boi in prison so he can be used for martyr propaganda.
*2004 more inpardonable sin, malaysia defied the imf …..[a]
*2004, and again…. when uncle sham wanted to sneak into malacca strait under the cover of wop[irates] [1] najib, the then deputy pm told the murcunts to *fuck off* [2]
*2005 dr mahathir slammed uk’s state terrorism [3]
*2011 a malaysian tribunal indicted bush, blair etc as war criminals. [4]
*2012 dr mahathir lambasted soros/ned skuldruggeries in orchestrating regime change via washington’s poster boy in malaysia, ibrahim anwar ! [b]
* 5/2013 inspite of its best effort, us sponsored opposition failed to depose dr mahathir’s chosen successor, pm najib. [c]
*2013 defying intense pressure from washington to join its anti chinese bandwagon, sino malaysian friendly progressed apace… [d] grrrr…. by this time, u could almost hear uncle sham straining at its leash !
then it came, fast and furious…
asia’s very own *bermuda triangle.*
*2014 mar malaysian airline’s mh370, with almost 300 chinese nationals onboard, *disappeared* in south china sea amidst a major nato air sea war game ! hmm, the victims included dozens of china’s top defence scientists !
**Located on the geostrategic Malacca Strait, Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim oil-producing nation with a “Look East” policy allying itself with Japan and China. Last year the Malaysian and Chinese governments established an economic alliance, which includes Asian access to world oil reserves. In the eyes of Washington and its allies, these are sufficient grounds to treat Kuala Lumpur as an adversary.* [e]
then, apr/14 *muslim insurgents* [rings a bell ?] in murcunt controlled philippines sneaked into sabah and kidnapped several chinese tourists.
pm najib had enough, declaring, *somebody is out to sow discord bet malaysia and china !*
Found this new under 5 minutes just up: Putinator delivers 2016 New Year Address from White House (yes, 2016, since in first 30 seconds he mentions the 2015 year almost over): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB44aLtk02M
Every amerikanski kulak gets a free YotaPhone, & don’t forget to vote LOL.
sure looks like him, but how did they get him to take time off his busy schedule to tape this?
@Ugo Z. “How gothic your bizarre form of cult is. It’s message is: immolate yourself. We will memorialize you on the web. Nihilistic feudalism for the masses. Quality life in exile for the “leaders” and sycophant external followers. Typical cult behavior. Not good Buddhism.”
Tibet-support organizations include many people who have direct personal experience either of Tibetans (and/or Chinese), or of Tibet or both. In other words they do not base their opinions on propaganda. But you are free to believe the official Chinese version even without any personal experience.
Still whipping that same dead horse, eh. I’m reminded of debates on Jewish run internet sites where ZPC/NWO propaganda was considered sacred. The spammers would post the standard ZPC/NWO propaganda tropes, it would be debunked by soon to be banned comment writers (I’m describing Jewish run sites here, remember ;D ), and S.W.A.R.M. would simply continue posting the same propaganda, in the same discussion, or in future ones, irregardless.
Apparently the PR software program that generates this spam is not programmed to differentiate between those that are part of the zio-marketing “enterprise” (to use one of their favourite neo-con terms for a flim-flam outfit) and those not part of the network.
Again, for those unfamiliar with the ZPC/NWO “Tibet” propaganda NotSoFast is spamming, this describes what this lot holds dear:
See also this essay in which describes how the Dalai Lama quisling, once booted from China, lords over a mafia/feudal repeat of the old feudal Tibet which is not much different than the death squad/Jewish mafia “democracies” that the Israeli-Americans run everywhere.
Dalai Lama Cult: Postmodern Neo-feudalism and the Decline of the West
How can a human being promote such viciousness and still sleep at night? Answer: it’s not against zionist Jews and fascist oligarchs aligned with such, similarly promoting the same fascist/nazi goals. The victims are literally invisible, or if the visibility cannot be obfuscated or propagandised away completely, in the eyes of this freakshow, they deserve what they are getting. They are certainly not viewed as human beings.
Remember the various Southeast Asian peoples bribed and coerced to help the ZPC/NWO in their war on the people of Vietnam? The Tibetan quislings are being used in the same way.
RIGA — The European Union sees some signs of an easing in the Ukraine conflict and a more constructive approach from Russia to tackling issues like Syria, offering hope of a “new era” in relations with Moscow, the bloc’s foreign policy chief said on Thursday.
Absolute hypocracy? Rus been consistently consistent on east ukraine and Syria, eg no military and aid convoys……..Rus consistently calling for ceasefire
Federica Mogherini said Ukraine had reported “limited but positive signs” from the east of the country, where more than 4,700 people have been killed since last April in fighting between the army and pro-Russian separatists.
She added that she had personally observed a more cooperative attitude from Moscow in dealings on other issues, including the Iranian nuclear negotiations and Syria.
“The situation on the ground is slightly better now than it was some weeks ago and according to the Ukrainians there are some limited but important openings,” she said. “I see directly there seems to be a different Russian attitude on other issues … a definitely open and constructive way of working.”
Clearly only believing Ukr-which can’t be trusted anyways, ukr receieving more armaments, brings military forces and equipmentto front line, private militias refusing to be under government control, Poroshenko cannot order a ceasefire,Canada /USA supplying stuff-EU must say to these countries and also like Lithuania, Poland they are making it worse, -but EU is not speaking with one voice, as Merkel clearly says all of Minsk must be implemented-presumably including return of Crimea, and clearly EU President /Parliament has no control over constituent countries where a situation that needs a collective quietening down is required, the political mechanisms only permit and encourage escalation based on falsehoods..
WARSAW — Poland expects the NATO alliance to step up its military exercises around the Baltic Sea after a flurry of activity by Russian warships and jet fighters in the area last month, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak told Reuters in an interview.
“What happened in December was indeed rather unprecedented,” Siemoniak said. “We will definitely want the Baltic Sea to be taken into account to a greater extent, and I think that in terms of military exercises planned by NATO, there will be such a reaction,” he said. The interview was conducted on Monday but authorized for release by the ministry on Thursday.
For example
EU collectively has no control over this , which does not help-perhaps ultimate aim is to shut Rus completely out of Baltic area, then there will be big problems………”The Atlantic alliance has already increased the frequency of air patrols in the region, part of a revival of Cold War tensions sparked by Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and its support for Ukraine’s pro-Russian rebels.
Siemoniak said Moscow did not have an exit strategy, and that NATO and the European Union, which has imposed sanctions on Russia together with the United States, should brace themselves for years of conflict.
“We shouldn’t talk about lifting the sanctions too soon,” he said, adding that they were the most effective tool at the West’s disposal.”
Arseniy Yatsenyuk called the liberation of Europe from Nazism “Russian aggression” committed against both Nazi Germany and Ukraine.
Translator’s Note:
Given this performance, Yatsenyuk reveals himself to be totally out of his depth as a Prime Minister. While it may be acceptable and even praiseworthy to worship Nazis in Ukraine these days, this is (still and hopefully forever) a taboo subject in Germany and most of Europe. Yatsenyuk clearly did not understand this, otherwise he would not have implicitly sided himself with Hitler. Not to mention that while in Eastern European countries people may complain about Soviet policies during and following World War II, rather fewer would prefer that the Nazis had won World War II. But apparently the Prime Minister of Ukraine does.
Editor’s Note:
Clearly the Western media cannot sugar coat the Ukrainian government much longer. MSM claims that the Right Sector or Svoboda did not go through to the Ukrainian parliament don’t hide the fact that the Prime Minister himself proclaims his neo-Nazi ideology, and that the entire country is celebrating Nazi collaborators as national heores, holding neo-Nazi torch-light parades in the capital, abolishing the Soviet Victory day over the Nazi Germany and turning it into “a day of memory”, in fact a day the Ukrainian nationalists from SS division Galicina lost the fight against the Red Army along with Hitler.
UNITED NATIONS, January 9 (Sputnik) – UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has warned that the Ukrainian crisis is threatening to create a destabilized Cold War-like situation in the world, also pointing to a number of other hot spots around the globe that require action for peace and security.
Ban Ki-moon told the UN General Assembly Thursday that the “conflict in Ukraine has cost well over four thousand lives, endangered security and stability in Europe, and reanimated the ghosts of the Cold War”.
Eastern Ukraine is nearing a humanitarian catastrophe, as residents struggle to get food and medicine, rights group Amnesty International told Reuters. The UN refugee watchdog added that the elderly in the region could be severely hit by Kiev’s policies.
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) also expressed major concern for the elderly, pointing to Kiev’s dangerous decision to transfer payouts of social benefits and pensions to government-controlled areas.
Also on Thursday, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker unveiled plans to lend an additional 1.8 billion euros ($2.1 billion) to rescue the almost bankrupt Kyiv government. It adds to the 1.4 billion euros handed over last year in medium-term loans.
The bloc’s 28 members and the European Parliament must still approve the additional loans.Well perhaps EU should not, in view of Merkel fully supporting Yats who clearly is nuts and totally unbelievable and both should be discredited fully by Rus. Kazakstan meeting also totally pointless and Rus should refuse, as these are only diversionary meetings leading to procrastination. Time for Rus to shout out that Ukr and Minsk is totally failed?.
Dear Saker, hopefully someone from Greece can give an analysis on this blog of the probable Syriza victory, but not too economic/ technical:
As a total layperson I notice every time I can be convinced, even within half an hour, of completely opposite economic viewpoints, all seem completely logical to when explained. Which means I have no clue. Non at all! Non being that stupid, many more people like me must exist here…
I think Greece is now at the forefront of the EU collapsing. The empire and Brussels will do everything to make an example out of the country, and what terrible things await us when we resist the plundering. And the Syriza people will make some mistakes along the way, due to lack of experience and newness of their system of government.
Russia under economic Pressure, they might not be very happy to give a helping hand, but to me it seems Greece might be the start of pulling the southern EU countries away from Brussels. Perhaps even from France to Slovakia…
http://failedevolution.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/a-system-in-absolute-panic.html?m=1
This is a pretty short but precise summary of what is actually going on in Greece right now.
The treacherous europhile and corrupt elites are in full panic mode. Their efforts to bribe MPs ahead of the vote have leaked and they are now desperately trying to cover up. The Greek and European MSM will soon shift into overdrive in a smear campaign against SYRIZA.
This could well be the beginning of the end for the EU project.
[from Blue]
Just in passing, I just now got the latest email from http://revcom.us/index.html which I subscribe to, among many other sites and orgs.
This is ‘The Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, and some some interesting material (which I rarely have time to delve into). I thought some here might be interested in checking it out.
Other interesting links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOnZeuwgWQ0
Jeddah Economic Forum – Modern Monetary Theory and Employment Guarantee -March 19 2014
Binzagr Institute for Sustainable Prosperity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2muX41JLIoo&list=PL0-2Xya0opQVzg0OoD6DPCzcv7JNTwJ8x
James Galbraith: UMKC, Best Economics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHcueExMkOU
Framing Modern Monetary Theory – Professor Bill Mitchell
A google search yields links to new videos and work from MMT people — it’s continuing, and looks to me like the major economic thrust for the 21st century.
The thing about a world war — which we are engaged in even if not shooting everywhere — is that it is on many fronts and with innumerable battle, large and small, and it’s not nearly possible to keep up with it all in specifics. There is an immense number of things going on.
Good that the Donetsk companies are being nationalized — seems to be a foregone conclusion they would be but all these take some time to do while changes are consolidated and loose strings tied up.
Finally, having neglected it so far, I wish and hope everyone is having a good Catmas season, or whatever traditions and system you follow, and have a good new year.
[from Blue]
Rootman — economics is an area where there is a huge amount of flim-flam and effective propaganda. I am very impressed with MMT because it not only makes sense but can be, and is, explained in very simple and non-technical terms, which an indicator of a thing which is likely true, and based on tangible reality.
Below is an email I recently sent as explanation to an American cyber friend, which may help.
The EU has destroyed sovereign money, and nations’ monetary policy as a tool as well.
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But the problem is not just such banks and other financial institutions going under [regarding ‘free banking’ issuing ‘money’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_in_the_United_States#1837.E2.80.931863:_.22Free_Banking.22_Era ], although that certainly is a problem – look at Lehman Bros. The problem is that such bank notes is not actual money. Money is a creature of law, a legal structure controlled by the constitution and legislature, and ‘legal tender’, not just a commodity or IOU. Money is the only thing the government allows taxes to be paid with for instance.
All this get complicated in detail and history, of course, but the bottom line is that the federal government is the only body which can authorize actual money because that’s the only body constitutionally authorized to do so, and which forms the basis of the national economy — everybody else is not a creator of money but a user of it.
We hear all kinds of nonsense about deficits and taxes. Suppose tomorrow the government decides to eliminate all national debt by taxing everyone according to how much money they had, at a rate of 100%, requiring everyone to turn in ALL the money they had. No deficit at all! And they also eliminated all taxes — just as well since without any legal money no one could pay anything anyway.
The politicians dream! No deficit and no taxes! The day after the entire economy would collapse utterly, with nothing in the hands of the people or private sector to buy, sell, lend, invest, or do anything else. We would be instantly reduced to only barter and promissory notes — debts which could never be paid because no one would have the legal tender, good for all debts, public and private. It would be like the scorekeeper of a ball game taking back all the point the teams scored and refusing to put up any numbers on the scoreboard.
In that situation it matters not a jot who the advisors or treasury officials are. The US and the whole economy would be completely ‘solvent’ —- and completely non-functional. Game over!
So maybe not withdraw all the money — maybe just take eliminate half of it, and wreck the economy only half way. Or leave a quarter of the deficit and wreck it only by a quarter? What number of being wrecked should we have — how much austerity and wrecking should we tolerate? Or let the government take all the money from anyone who isn’t wealthy and give the wealthy 1% all they collect, and wreck only 99% while everything else grinds to a halt? Pretty close to what we are doing now. The wealthy can then ‘lend’ money to everyone else, eventually to be paid by taking their houses, their jobs, their cars, their first born children and eventually their bodies and lives when they make them into slaves. That’s what is happening now.
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–Blue
Dear Saker
After reading this head line from RT it seems to me that our struggle for Russia is a lost cause.
Here is the headline
Top opposition figure Navalny guilty of embezzlement, gets 3.5yrs suspended
My question is to you and every single guy who visits this blog
Who is “a top opposition figure or who is just an opposition in the GB, France, Italy, Poland…”?
Only those people or only that person who is in the parliament or who has behind himself a party.
This guy Navalny has not got one single seat in the Russian parliament and RT calls him “top opposition figure”.
How can we win PR war?
How can we fight against the Anglo-Zionist media when the Russian media is the same like the Anglo media?
http://rt.com/news/218591-navalny-embezzlement-sentence-court/
Five Imperial Eyes
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Testing the “PR” hypotheses promulgated through the blog.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186328.html
From Anglo imperialism to Nato
Mahan also grasped as early as 1901 the fundamental geopolitical realities of the Cold War that emerged from the ashes of the first two world wars. In The Problem of Asia, Mahan urged statesmen to “glance at the map” of Asia and note “the vast, uninterrupted mass of the Russian Empire, stretching without a break . . . from the meridian of western Asia Minor, until to the eastward it overpasses that of Japan.” He envisioned an expansionist Russia needing to be contained by an alliance of the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, and Japan, which is precisely what happened between 1945 and 1991.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-geopolitical-vision-of-alfred-thayer-mahan/
Human interest: Putin probably in love. And the story of his daughter living in the Netherlands until the MH17 disaster:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/putin-visits-his-daughter-in-holland/
Kind regards,
Dutch
re: Christmas in Tibet.
The Christmas news for Han tourists is reported in this comment . Just for balance here are Christmas news for Tibetans:
…A Tibetan nomad woman died of self-immolation protest yesterday evening in Meuruma Township in Ngaba (Ch: Aba) County in Ngaba Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, in the Tibetan province of Amdo
….The travails of Tsepey’s family have only begun with the death of their daughter. Shortly after the self-immolation death of Tsepey, police detained her parents, father Chidor who is in his 60s and mother Chenpa in her late 50s, and her older brother Yimey. No reason was given for their sudden detention
….The self-immolation protest by Tsepey is the tenth this year and the total number of self-immolation protests since 2009 has now risen to 135 in Tibet.
details here
I just cannot bear to watch that video. The very sound of Obama’s voice causes me apoplexy.
There can be nothing of import from his schpeel.
He’s a proven liar.
Here is a bit of news I feel is very important for people to know. Reported today in Sputnik International :
“Chinese Blogger Predicted Air Asia Disappearance Two Weeks Ago”.
“A Mysterious Chinese blogger apparently predicted the fate of Air Asia flight QZ8501 two weeks before the tragic incident occurred.
A Mysterious Chinese blogger seemingly predicted the Air Asia QZ8501 catastrophe, providing warnings to potential travellers some two weeks before the tragic incident actually happened.
There is a post on some Chinese forum that is blowing up right now because apparently a user 13 days ago made a post warning people not to go on Air Asia Airline. He explained that the people that brought down MH370 is going to target another Malaysian airline to destroy Malaysia’s Air travel industry or something like that and it all has something to do with the US (my Chinese is a bit rusty),” a Reddit member wrote, referring to the mysterious Chinese blogger.
The full story can be read here :
http://sputniknews.com/asia/20141230/1016394698.html
As Ulrich goldfinger said to James Bond in the movie, “first time is happenstance, second time is coincidence, but third time is definitely enemy action”. Someones definitely got Malaysia in the crosshairs.
To follow on from Blue,
here is Warren Mosler on deficit spending and fiscal policy and the difference between bond interest paid in gold pre 1934 and now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68vVlN3D80Q
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In this Dr Micheal Hudson describes the predations of the Chicago school of economics
currently in use,and how when this school advised in Chile,all the economics departments were shut down and their economists murdered along with their families.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqN8UMRwLs
12 mins with Max Keiser
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this is the MMT summit in Italy,Hudson explains the difference between Central Bank money creation,which never needs to be paid back(the bond holders get the interest),and Bank credit which must be paid back,with interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YHohFHalE
In a nutshell:
Vast sums measured in the hundreds of Trillions,have been created by a fraudulent system of fake asset
boosting,financialization,gambling on asset prices,inflating bubbles to the point of implosion.
Selling off all the infrastructure
which is real,for fake wealth.
It worked in the UK under Margaret Thatcher and John Major’s policies.
All Governments copy whatever works
,it worked in Greece and Ireland and this is what is intended for Ukraine.
Everything created by our recent ancestors,union protections,legal protections most of what we accept as our rights are being removed.
The Rentier Elites want the real assets before this system is allowed to die.
cheers.
Alaska Governor Warns State’s Fiscal Situation “Critical” As Oil Price Drops.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-30/alaska-governor-warns-states-fiscal-situation-critical-oil-price-drops
IM non-expert opinion, the bottom line is that economic and environmental catastrophes will create mass societal disruption worldwide before any hypothetical organized revolution has a chance. The key for individuals and small communities will be to survive the chaos and have a chance to build a new society based on individual liberty, voluntary association and a dedication to achieving christian and communist ideals.
Weapons, ammunition, food, medicine, training . . . these are the essentials. There is likely to be a period of global guerilla warfare. The large cities in the US and their surrounding suburbs won’t make it, except to the extent that they contain military assets. Corporate and police structures will either be coopted by the military or fail.
All support to the NAF!
Washington Has Shaped 2015 to Be a Year of Conflict. The Conflict Could Be Intense Paul Craig ROBERTS
In my opinion, it took the Russians and Chinese too long to comprehend the evil that has control in Washington. Therefore, both countries risk nuclear attack prior to the full operational capability of their conjoined defense. As the Western economy is a house of cards, Russia and China could collapse the Western economy before the neoconservatives can drive the world to war. As Washington’s aggression against both countries is crystal clear, Russia and China have every right to the following defensive measures.
Larchmonter sees hope in the new geopolitics created by the conjoining of Russia and China. I don’t dispute this, but if the arrogant neoconservatives realize that their hegemonic policy has created a foe over which Washington cannot prevail, they will push for a pre-emptive nuclear strike before the Russian-Chinese unified command is fully operational. To forestall a sneak attack, Russia and China should operate on full nuclear alert.
The Russian and Chinese governments both understand that their existence is threatened by Washington’s hegemonic ambitions. Larchmonter reports that in order to defeat Washington’s plans to marginalize both countries, the Russian and Chinese governments have decided to unify their economies into one and to conjoin their military commands. Henceforth, Russia and China move together on the economic and military fronts. http://www.mediafire.com/view/08rzue8ffism94t/China-Russia_Double_Helix.docx
The unity of the Bear and the Dragon reduces the crazed neoconservatives’ dream of “an American century” to dangerous nonsense. As Larchmonter puts it, “The US and NATO would need Michael the Archangel to defeat China-Russia, and from all signs Michael the Archangel is aligned with the Bear and its Orthodox culture. There is no weapon, no strategy, no tactic conceivable in the near future to damage either of these rising economies now that they are ‘base pairs.’”
In my view, Russia and China owe it to the world to prevent the nuclear war that the neoconservatives who control US policy intend by simply replying in kind to Washington’s economic warfare. Russia and China hold all the cards. Not Washington.
Russia and China should give no warning. They should just act. Indeed, instead of step by step, they should just let loose all barrels at once. With four US banks holding derivatives totaling many times world GDP, the financial explosion would be the equivalent to a nuclear one. The US would be finished, and the world would be saved.
Larchmonter is correct. 2015 could be a very good year.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/29/washington-has-shaped-2015-to-be-a-year-of-conflict-the-conflict-could-be-intense.html
NotSoFast,
How gothic your bizarre form of cult is. It’s message is: immolate yourself. We will memorialize you on the web. Nihilistic feudalism for the masses. Quality life in exile for the “leaders” and sycophant external followers. Typical cult behavior. Not good Buddhism.
Maidan in Moscow – protest Manezhkat
https://twitter.com/BenjaminBidder/status/549966697298673665/photo/1
https://twitter.com/BenjaminBidder/status/549964270952538114/photo/1
Organized youth wearing orange ribbon
More rumbligs of WW3
Ukraine’s War: A Prelude to World War III, Says Former Ukraine Ambassador to U.S.
“This is a prelude to World War III. A lot of people know this. For example, [consider] Zaporizhia nuclear power plant just 160 kilometers away from the [current] fighting. Can you imagine what a disaster might happen if it gets hit by a shell? Do we have an alternative to the Minsk talks [between Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the leaders in the rebelling area]? Can we declare war against Moscow and conduct it by means of merely a swift operation? No. Because in this case the cruise missiles will fly from Russia tomorrow against Kiev.”
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/ukraines-war-a-prelude-to-world-war-iii-says-former-ukraine-ambassador-to-us/
Afghan ‘Project Phoenix’ but with drones mostly
dec 28
spiegel.de/international/world/secret-docs-reveal-dubious-details-of-targeted-killings-in-afghanistan-a-1010358.html
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/obamas-death-lists-in-afghanistan-included-low-level-taliban-members-and-suspected-drug-dealers/
Many readers here probably remember me writing about how Obama’s own mother was working in Indonesia for USAID when the CIA was using that agency to prepare similar lists for a little dictator we installed named Suharto.
Now Barack has come of age and the memories of his father (worked directly for Suharto) have compelled him to make his own little lists in Afghanistan , Sudan, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq and right here at home.
Over the years I have been writing that these drone strikes and black bag ops weren’t targeting guys in caves wearing suicide vests but rather people opposed to our puppet regimes and the neoliberal fleecing of their nations.
Very informative 30 mins
The World Today: The Libyan Debacle
http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/
Tariq Ali speaks with Libyan Mabruk Derbèsh, Professor at University of Tripoli (now in exile).
cheers.
Hmmm…change of heart over there?
someone trying to putsch Nutty out the door??
maybe even change the party name for some window dressing for the sheep.
Shai Galili, Likud’s comptroller, disqualified Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for running for the party leadership in the December 31 primary, a move that Netanyahu disputes and is likely to appeal.
Galili said Netanyahu must answer claims that he improperly used party resources in his leadership primary run.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Likud-comptroller-disqualifies-Netanyahu-from-Likud-leadership-race-PM-likely-to-appeal-385611
There are reports of massive Ukraine attacks on Donetsk and Gorlovka Sunday night which are apparently being suppressed in the mainstream media. This proves how difficult it is to get accurate information at this point on the Donbass war. Links to a report on Novorossiya Today and a commentary on the event can be found at:
http://quemadoinstitute.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/ukraine-attacks-donetsk-strange-events-of-the-night-of-december-28-29/
http://novorossia.today/breaking-ukrainian-military-attacked-donetsk-gorlovka-and-dokuchaevsk/
Does anyone have more information?
know the truth said…30 December, 2014 13:09
Thanks for posting that article link.
Now that the crash site has been located, and in shallow water, hopefully the the “black boxes” will be found and they, and the airframe, can provide enough detail on what made the aircraft crash.
I do think Malaysia was specifically targeted in all 3 cases.
вот так
Serial criminal and zionazi quisling Navalny waited all of a day to break his sentence requirements.
Blogger Navalny Detained After Violating House Arrest to Attend Protest
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141230/1016405876.html
Obviously the Israelis are using their quisling in the same sort of marketing/propaganda campaign they use their other tools, such as Pussy Riot. Disappointed with the suspended sentence, which defused their “cunning plan”, they want the boi in prison so he can be used for martyr propaganda.
вот так
I meant to say, pro-Russian youth ready to combat Maidan by West.
BOT TAK said :
“I do think Malaysia was specifically targeted in all 3 cases”.
So do I. I have posted below something that was written by a commenter on another website and I hope he wouldn’t mind :
malaysia i pain for you…
a timeline of zwo assaults on the state of malaysia all coz the malaysians dont play ball with uncle sham !
*1997
dr mahathir savaged soros for his attack on asian currencies. [0]
an arsonist to boot…
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/finance/sorosasia.htm
*2004
more inpardonable sin,
malaysia defied the imf …..[a]
*2004,
and again….
when uncle sham wanted to sneak into malacca strait under the cover of wop[irates] [1]
najib, the then deputy pm told the murcunts to *fuck off* [2]
*2005
dr mahathir slammed uk’s state terrorism [3]
*2011
a malaysian tribunal indicted bush, blair etc as war criminals. [4]
*2012
dr mahathir lambasted soros/ned skuldruggeries in orchestrating regime change via washington’s poster boy in malaysia, ibrahim anwar ! [b]
* 5/2013
inspite of its best effort, us sponsored opposition failed to depose dr mahathir’s chosen successor, pm najib. [c]
*2013
defying intense pressure from washington to join its anti chinese bandwagon, sino malaysian friendly progressed apace… [d]
grrrr….
by this time, u could almost hear uncle sham straining at its leash !
then it came, fast and furious…
asia’s very own *bermuda triangle.*
*2014 mar
malaysian airline’s mh370, with almost 300 chinese nationals onboard, *disappeared* in south china sea amidst a major nato air sea war game !
hmm, the victims included dozens of china’s top defence scientists !
**Located on the geostrategic Malacca Strait, Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim oil-producing nation with a “Look East” policy allying itself with Japan and China. Last year the Malaysian and Chinese governments established an economic alliance, which includes Asian access to world oil reserves. In the eyes of Washington and its allies, these are sufficient grounds to treat Kuala Lumpur as an adversary.* [e]
then, apr/14
*muslim insurgents* [rings a bell ?] in murcunt controlled philippines sneaked into sabah and kidnapped several chinese tourists.
pm najib had enough, declaring,
*somebody is out to sow discord bet malaysia and china !*
humor.
Found this new under 5 minutes just up:
Putinator delivers 2016 New Year Address from White House (yes, 2016, since in first 30 seconds he mentions the 2015 year almost over):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB44aLtk02M
Every amerikanski kulak gets a free YotaPhone, & don’t forget to vote LOL.
sure looks like him, but how did they get him to take time off his busy schedule to tape this?
@Ugo Z.
“How gothic your bizarre form of cult is. It’s message is: immolate yourself. We will memorialize you on the web. Nihilistic feudalism for the masses. Quality life in exile for the “leaders” and sycophant external followers. Typical cult behavior. Not good Buddhism.”
Tibet-support organizations include many people who have direct personal experience either of Tibetans (and/or Chinese), or of Tibet or both. In other words they do not base their opinions on propaganda. But you are free to believe the official Chinese version even without any personal experience.
NotSoFast said…31 December, 2014 01:12
Still whipping that same dead horse, eh. I’m reminded of debates on Jewish run internet sites where ZPC/NWO propaganda was considered sacred. The spammers would post the standard ZPC/NWO propaganda tropes, it would be debunked by soon to be banned comment writers (I’m describing Jewish run sites here, remember ;D ), and S.W.A.R.M. would simply continue posting the same propaganda, in the same discussion, or in future ones, irregardless.
Apparently the PR software program that generates this spam is not programmed to differentiate between those that are part of the zio-marketing “enterprise” (to use one of their favourite neo-con terms for a flim-flam outfit) and those not part of the network.
Again, for those unfamiliar with the ZPC/NWO “Tibet” propaganda NotSoFast is spamming, this describes what this lot holds dear:
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
See also this essay in which describes how the Dalai Lama quisling, once booted from China, lords over a mafia/feudal repeat of the old feudal Tibet which is not much different than the death squad/Jewish mafia “democracies” that the Israeli-Americans run everywhere.
Dalai Lama Cult: Postmodern Neo-feudalism and the Decline of the West
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/06/dalai-lama-cult-postmodern-neo-feudalism-and-the-decline-of-the-west/
How can a human being promote such viciousness and still sleep at night? Answer: it’s not against zionist Jews and fascist oligarchs aligned with such, similarly promoting the same fascist/nazi goals. The victims are literally invisible, or if the visibility cannot be obfuscated or propagandised away completely, in the eyes of this freakshow, they deserve what they are getting. They are certainly not viewed as human beings.
Remember the various Southeast Asian peoples bribed and coerced to help the ZPC/NWO in their war on the people of Vietnam? The Tibetan quislings are being used in the same way.
вот так
RIGA — The European Union sees some signs of an easing in the Ukraine conflict and a more constructive approach from Russia to tackling issues like Syria, offering hope of a “new era” in relations with Moscow, the bloc’s foreign policy chief said on Thursday.
Absolute hypocracy? Rus been consistently consistent on east ukraine and Syria, eg no military and aid convoys……..Rus consistently calling for ceasefire
Federica Mogherini said Ukraine had reported “limited but positive signs” from the east of the country, where more than 4,700 people have been killed since last April in fighting between the army and pro-Russian separatists.
She added that she had personally observed a more cooperative attitude from Moscow in dealings on other issues, including the Iranian nuclear negotiations and Syria.
“The situation on the ground is slightly better now than it was some weeks ago and according to the Ukrainians there are some limited but important openings,” she said. “I see directly there seems to be a different Russian attitude on other issues … a definitely open and constructive way of working.”
Clearly only believing Ukr-which can’t be trusted anyways, ukr receieving more armaments, brings military forces and equipmentto front line, private militias refusing to be under government control, Poroshenko cannot order a ceasefire,Canada /USA supplying stuff-EU must say to these countries and also like Lithuania, Poland they are making it worse, -but EU is not speaking with one voice, as Merkel clearly says all of Minsk must be implemented-presumably including return of Crimea, and clearly EU President /Parliament has no control over constituent countries where a situation that needs a collective quietening down is required, the political mechanisms only permit and encourage escalation based on falsehoods..
WARSAW — Poland expects the NATO alliance to step up its military exercises around the Baltic Sea after a flurry of activity by Russian warships and jet fighters in the area last month, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak told Reuters in an interview.
“What happened in December was indeed rather unprecedented,” Siemoniak said. “We will definitely want the Baltic Sea to be taken into account to a greater extent, and I think that in terms of military exercises planned by NATO, there will be such a reaction,” he said. The interview was conducted on Monday but authorized for release by the ministry on Thursday.
For example
EU collectively has no control over this , which does not help-perhaps ultimate aim is to shut Rus completely out of Baltic area, then there will be big problems………”The Atlantic alliance has already increased the frequency of air patrols in the region, part of a revival of Cold War tensions sparked by Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and its support for Ukraine’s pro-Russian rebels.
Siemoniak said Moscow did not have an exit strategy, and that NATO and the European Union, which has imposed sanctions on Russia together with the United States, should brace themselves for years of conflict.
“We shouldn’t talk about lifting the sanctions too soon,” he said, adding that they were the most effective tool at the West’s disposal.”
Arseniy Yatsenyuk called the liberation of Europe from Nazism “Russian aggression” committed against both Nazi Germany and Ukraine.
Translator’s Note:
Given this performance, Yatsenyuk reveals himself to be totally out of his depth as a Prime Minister. While it may be acceptable and even praiseworthy to worship Nazis in Ukraine these days, this is (still and hopefully forever) a taboo subject in Germany and most of Europe. Yatsenyuk clearly did not understand this, otherwise he would not have implicitly sided himself with Hitler. Not to mention that while in Eastern European countries people may complain about Soviet policies during and following World War II, rather fewer would prefer that the Nazis had won World War II. But apparently the Prime Minister of Ukraine does.
Editor’s Note:
Clearly the Western media cannot sugar coat the Ukrainian government much longer. MSM claims that the Right Sector or Svoboda did not go through to the Ukrainian parliament don’t hide the fact that the Prime Minister himself proclaims his neo-Nazi ideology, and that the entire country is celebrating Nazi collaborators as national heores, holding neo-Nazi torch-light parades in the capital, abolishing the Soviet Victory day over the Nazi Germany and turning it into “a day of memory”, in fact a day the Ukrainian nationalists from SS division Galicina lost the fight against the Red Army along with Hitler.
UNITED NATIONS, January 9 (Sputnik) – UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has warned that the Ukrainian crisis is threatening to create a destabilized Cold War-like situation in the world, also pointing to a number of other hot spots around the globe that require action for peace and security.
Ban Ki-moon told the UN General Assembly Thursday that the “conflict in Ukraine has cost well over four thousand lives, endangered security and stability in Europe, and reanimated the ghosts of the Cold War”.
Eastern Ukraine is nearing a humanitarian catastrophe, as residents struggle to get food and medicine, rights group Amnesty International told Reuters. The UN refugee watchdog added that the elderly in the region could be severely hit by Kiev’s policies.
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) also expressed major concern for the elderly, pointing to Kiev’s dangerous decision to transfer payouts of social benefits and pensions to government-controlled areas.
Also on Thursday, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker unveiled plans to lend an additional 1.8 billion euros ($2.1 billion) to rescue the almost bankrupt Kyiv government. It adds to the 1.4 billion euros handed over last year in medium-term loans.
The bloc’s 28 members and the European Parliament must still approve the additional loans.Well perhaps EU should not, in view of Merkel fully supporting Yats who clearly is nuts and totally unbelievable and both should be discredited fully by Rus. Kazakstan meeting also totally pointless and Rus should refuse, as these are only diversionary meetings leading to procrastination. Time for Rus to shout out that Ukr and Minsk is totally failed?.