INTRODUCTION:
Yesterday’s press conference by Strelkov is, I believe, a historical moment because it marks the move of Strelkov from the Novorussian military struggle into the much larger, and far more dangerous struggle, the struggle for the political future of Russia. This in itself is no necessarily unexpected, but the way he did it was a surprise, at least for me. But before I zoom out to the bigger picture, I think that it would be helpful to try to summarize some of the key points of his presentation (thanks to Marina, you can download the full English transcript by clicking here and the Q&A is here). Here is how I summarized what I saw as the key elements of his presentation:
External factors (staging) – symbolic message:
- He is clearly alive and well
- The reason for his departure was infighting inside the Novorussian leadership and the fact that he was told that supplies would only be delivered if he left.
- The photo of Putin in the back on the wall
- He is sitting behind a Russian monarchist flag on the table (and a Russian and Novorussian flag in the back (no Soviet or Communists symbols)
His view about the ceasefire agreement:
- This ceasefire has now created military situation is now worse than this spring
- What is disgraceful is not the ceasefire by itself but “the conditions which are now being discussed in Minks”
- There is plan to blame the betrayal of Novorussia on Putin
- There are powerful interests which want a never ending war which would create a bleeding ulcer for Russia
His description of the 5th column:
- The roots of this 5th column go back to the Eltsin years
- The liberation of Crimea took the 5th column by surprise
- The 5th column is around President
- There is a local 5th column in Donbass which has been and still is negotiating with Ukie oligarchs
- The 5th column is composed of “liberals”
- Putin is a moral threat to them because he has massive popular support
- They want to overthrow Putin
- They want to dismember Russia
- This will be a long war on Russia
- We are dealing with another 1905 and 1917 like situation
- By saving Novorussia Russia can save itself
- Western sanctions will hurt Russia and they will use them to discredit Putin
Strelkov’s plans
- Strelkov wants to fight inside Russia in support of Putin (only option)
- Strelkov’s main objective is to denounce the real traitors inside Russia
This is my personal rendition of the key elements of Strelkov’s presentation, and I might have missed or misunderstood something, so I therefore encourage everybody to watch to the video again and read the transcript.
ZOOMING OUT TO THE GREATER CONTEXT:
Before going further into my analysis of Strelkov’s statements, I think that it is crucial to keep the bigger context in mind. His words are not just the words of a man speaking for the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) or a Novorussia hero, this time Strelkov is diving straight into the big and dangerous world of Russian “deep state” politics (though the term “deep state” does not really apply to Russia). So I will now return to a topic I have been covering for many years now.
Long-time readers will probably recall that I often spoke of a behind-the-scenes struggle between what I called the “Eurasian Sovereignists” (ES) and the “Atlantic Integrationists” (AI). I will not repeat it all here, but I do encourage you to read the following articles:
- http://sakerlatam.blog/the-saker-files/russia-and-islam-part-three-internal-russian-politics/
- http://sakerlatam.blog/the-saker-files/russia-and-islam-part-six-the-kremlin/
- http://sakerlatam.blog/the-saker-files/the-power-struggle-inside-the-kremlin-is-gradually-emerging-into-the-open/
- http://sakerlatam.blog/the-saker-files/1993-2013-is-the-twenty-years-long-pas-de-deux-of-russia-and-the-usa-coming-to-an-end/
- http://sakerlatam.blog/the-saker-files/a-new-cold-war-has-begun-let-us-embrace-it-with-relief/
The two first articles are part of a much longer seven-part series on Islam, but they introduce the historical context of the development of the ES and AI factions. The next two I would consider mandatory reading if you are not familiar with the topic and the last one is just a more recent discussion of the role of these two factions in the current Cold War v2. Having said that, my key thesis is this:
The “5th column” Strelkov refers to are the very same people I call Atlantic Integrationists.
Strelkov names no names, but he describes them very accurately (see above) and he adds that they only value “money and other material resources”. They are the Russian equivalent of the AngloZionist 1%ers. Their main political goal is to fully integrate Russia into the AngloZionist international system on a financial, political, economic and cultural levels. They see Russia as “European” and they believe that “the West” (i.e. the AngloZionist Empire) and Russia need to stand together against Islam, China and any other non-imperial ideology, religion, nation or alliance. They believe in capitalism and they are opposed to a “social state” (to use Putin’s description of modern Russia) and they are systematically contemptuous of the “masses” though they try hard not to show this aspect of their worldview. These are the folks who gradually took power during the 1980s and who had the predatory instincts to seize the moment in the early 1990s to rapidly and ruthlessly acquire an absolutely unimaginable amount of wealth, stolen from the Russian people.
Now, it is true that due to an absolutely brilliant move by the Russian security services during the late 1990s and thanks to the chaos in which Russia was plunged, these AI (aka 5th columnists) did make a fatal mistake. Their plan was to put forward a rather uninspiring and dull bureaucrat into power and surround him by men coming from their own circles. What they did not foresee is that this rather uninspiring and dull bureaucrat would turn into one of the most formidable statesmen in Russian history – Putin – and that he would immediately set out to decapitate the top layers of the AI – the so-called “oligarchs” and the thugs who enforced their rule – and their armed branch- the Chechen Wahabi insurgency. Putin acted so fast that he rapidly ended up in full control of the so-called “power ministries” (state security, presidential security, internal affairs, armed forces, emergency services) and, which is crucial, an immense popular support. In a way, this combination of state power and popular support made Putin untouchable, but that also limited his power.
While the top and most notorious AI columnists either left Russia (Berezovsky) or were put in jail (Khodorkovsky) or died, the system they had created was still very much in place. Banking, the natural resources industry, the weapons trade, financial services and, of course, the media were still very much in their hands. So when the most arrogant one of them, Khodorkovsky, was jailed the two factions (ES and AI) achieved something of a compromise, a temporary ceasefire if you wish. The deal was this: first, as long as they don’t try to take over the Kremlin and generally stay out of politics, the AI would be allowed to keep their wealth and continue to make huge profits; second, the top power would be shared between the ES (Putin, Rogozin, Patrushev, etc.) and the AI (Medvedev, Kudrin, Surkov, etc.).
The first big blow which Putin delivered against the AI was the firing of Serdiukov and, even “worse”, his replacement with Shoigu. The second massive blow was, according to Strelkov (and I agree), the operation to liberate Crimea. According to Strelkov, this operation was a huge blow to the interests of these 5th columnist because they immediately realized that it would set Russia and the AngloZionists on a collision course. They therefore gathered all their forces to a) prevent a Russian military intervention in the Donbass and b) make a deal with the oligarchs now in power in Kiev. I fully share this analysis.
Russian vs Novorussian strategic interests
Here comes the tricky part. There are a few assumption made by many bloggers which are the result of a fundamental flaws in logic:
- Russian and Novorussian interests are one and the same
- Anything supported by the AI is bad for Russia
- Putin is in full control and can do whatever he wants
- Novorussian leaders are always right by virtue of their heroic struggle
- Disagreeing with Novorussian leader is a sign of stupidity, betrayal or dishonesty (including for Putin himself)
Reality is not quite that simple. For one thing, Russian and Novorussian interests are not only one and the same, they are in direct opposition on a crucial matter: Novorussia wants full independence from Kiev (whoever is in power) while Russia wants regime change in Kiev and maintain a unitary Ukraine. Second, while the fact that Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs are trying to hammer out a deal to stop the war and maintain a unitary Ukraine this might or might not be bad for Russia. Now, before I get accused of God only knows what, let me explain:
During the late 1980s and the 1990s a bizarre kind of “partial fusion” took place between the Russian mob and the KGB. I know, sounds crazy, but it is nonetheless true and yours truly has personally seen it and personally met ex-KGB officers working in the Russian mob. However, as some say, there is no such thing as an “ex-KGB” officer. Well, in reality there is, but in most cases, at least informal contacts are maintained. So here is how I would very roughly summarize this bizarre association:
In the 1980s: corrupt KGB officers realize that a lot of money can be made in the underworld and some official of the internal security branch of the KGB (2nd Main Directorate) found ways to profit from tight contacts with the mob.
In the early 1990: a lot of young and smart KGB officers realize that their skills are useless in the KGB, they resign and immediately find very good positions in the “New Russian” world (at that time 100% mobsters) and use their skills (language, education, work capability, courage) to make loads of money
These were terrible years for the KGB/FSB, but they also had one positive impact: the more corrupt and less patriotic officers left leaving many idealists behind them, idealists which would, with time, climb up the ranks.
Now here comes the really interesting part:
In the mid 1990s-2000: the successor to the KGB, the SVR and FSB came to realize that they had a fantastic network of potential collaborators in the newly created world of Russian business, finance, commerce, tourism, etc. They act on this and begin use this mostly “ex-mob now turned legit” worldwide network for state security purposes and industrial/commercial espionage. Even the military intelligence service, the GRU, begins to do the same with ex-officers now working in aerospace, electronics, communications, etc.
[Off-topic but interesting sidebar: there is another most valuable network which the SVR/FSB/GRU also began to use during this period: the huge number of Jews from Russia who emigrated to the USA and Israel. Keep that in mind when you think about Russian-Israeli relations]
2000-today: Putin and his backers begin their behind the scenes secret but ruthless war on the Atlantic Integrationists who are fundamentally oppose to the Eurasian Sovereignists who are now firmly behind Putin. Most importantly the security services who are controlled by Putin allies develop a network of potential supporters inside the basis of power of the Atlantic Integrationists. See how complex that becomes?
So while some superficial analysts are correct when they say that the Russian oligarchs are generally 5th columnists and dangerous enemies of Putin, what they are missing is that a) not all oligarchs fall into this category and b) that Putin has the means to influence or even coerce some anti-Putin oligarchs thanks to his control of the security services and their network inside the oligarchs power base.
So here is the crucial point: the relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian oligarchy is a very complex one. Yes, by and large, it is correct to say that we have Putin, the security services, the military, the common Russian people on one side and the oligarchs, the liberal intelligentsia, big business, banking, finance and CIA agents on the other. But in reality, this is a primitive model, the reality is infinitely more complex. I know I am going to get even more hate coming my way for saying that, but some oligarchs are (for whatever reason) Putin allies or Putin controlled-individuals. I have met some personally in the late 1990s and I am quite sure that they are still there. Why?
Because there is a lot of money to be made in Russia by being on Putin’s side. For one thing, if you are in good terms with the Kremlin, you become untouchable for the rest of the more-or-less legal “business” world. You also get juicy contracts. And the tax authorities might not be as meticulous when you file for taxes. Again, the black-and-white Putin vs oligarchs image is generally true, but only as a primitive model.
ZOOMING BACK IN TO STRELKOV’S PRESS CONFERENCE
Let’s remember where Strelkov came from. While little is certain about him, he appears to be an ex-FSB Colonel (in anti-terrorism), who fought as a volunteer in Yugoslavia, Transnistria and Chechnia. He is also a historian, a columnist and he likes to participate in military recreations. He is a monarchist, an Orthodox Christian and and admirer of the White movement during the civil war. In Novorussia, however, he entered a totally different level jumping in one rapid, gigantic most successful leap from anti-terrorism Colonel to what could be roughly described as an divisional or even army corp commander who turned a volunteer militia force into a more or less regular army. That is a huge feat: From almost nobody he became the #1 hero and commander of the entire Novorussian resistance. And yet, Novorussia is tiny compared to Russia and big Novorussian politics are tiny compared to big Russian politics. And yet, in yesterday’s press conference Strelkov made yet another huge leap – he jumped from Novorussian military issues straight into the single most complex and dangerous struggle I can imagine: the secret behind-the-scenes struggle for power in the Kremlin. It is far too early to tell if this move will be as successful as his previous one, Strelkov went from swimming with Piranhas to swimming with Great White sharks, but I am cautiously optimistic. Here is why:
Strelkov’s potential in the Russian struggle for power
Putin is acutely aware of the fact that his official power base (the state apparatus) is chock-full of 5th columnists. The best proof for that is that he did two very interesting things:
a) He created the All-Russia People’s Front (ARPF) which unlike the official party in power, United Russia, was not created with a strong Medvedev/Atlantic Integrationist component, but was created by Putin alone. Officially, the ARPF is not a party but a “political-social movement” which is supposed to bring together a large segment of generally pro-Kremlin organizations and individuals and to provide a way for the common people to convey their concerns to Putin. In reality, however, it is also a “political party in waiting”, very large, very well connected and which Putin can “turn on” at any time, especially if challenged from inside United Russia.
b) Putin’s security services have contributed to the creation of a plethora of “near-Kremlin entities” (околокремлевские круги) which officially have no subordination to the Kremlin, but which can get a lot of things done without the government involved or, even, informed. These near-Kremlin entities include some news outlets, some commercial entities, a number of clubs, some youth organizations, news agencies, etc. There is no formal list, no admission procedure, no one leader. But somehow, there are always people with contacts to the security agencies near or in these circles.
This is were Strelkov fits in.
Strelkov will first and foremost represent the interests of the people of Novorussia, but since he correctly identified the Russian 5th column as the main threat to Novorussia, he also is objectively becoming an ally of Putin in a common struggle against the Atlantic Integrationists. Now, let us be clear here. Strelkov and Putin will not agree on a number of issues. Strelkov clearly indicated that when he said
“No matter how critical I am about certain internal or external policy decision of president in conditions of war started against us, I consider it necessary to support him as the only legitimate superior commander the main guarantor of freedom and independence of the state”
- Putin’s Address to the Federal Assembly (March 18th)
- The press conference by by Alexander V. Zakharchenko (August 26th)
- Yesterday’s Strelkov’s press conference (September 11th)
Putin, Zakharchenko and Strelkov all three fully realize that what is going on is nothing shot of a war on Russia, but waged, at least for the time being, by non-military means. All three know that the biggest threat to Russia is an internal one. But all three can claim that the other two do not speak for him. After all, one is the President of Russia, the second one is a top representative of Donetsk and Novorussia, while the third one is, technically speaking, a retired officer and a private individual. Yet all three together are politically encircling the Russian 5th column into a “political cauldron” in which they either support Putin or look like traitors. A potentially very effective technique.
The second role of Strelkov is to denounce and discredit the Putin-bashers who are constantly declaring that “Putin is backstabbing or betraying Novorussia”. I predict that in a near future the very same circles who until now had taken the position that Putin is a villain and Strelkov a hero will declare that Strelkov is a villain and a traitor too. Some of these guys are manipulated by western PSYOP specialists, others are simply paid by them, but their goal is to convince the world that Putin is the bad guy and that a “real” patriot needs to replace him. In other words, that Russia can only be saved by making the AngloZionist dream of a regime change in Russia come true. But then, these are the very same people who wanted to save Novorussia by making the other AngloZionist dream, of having an overt Russian military intervention in the Donbass, also come true. My advice in regards to such “sorrow-patriots” as they are called in Russia is simple: beware of those who want to save Russia by making an AngloZionist dream come true. If you keep that in mind, the enemies of Russia will be fairly easy to spot :-)
CONCLUSION
I was amazed and tremendously encouraged by Strelkov’s very sophisticated presentation of his position yesterday. Though this might be too early to conclude, and I might be uncharacteristically optimistic about this, I believe that Strelkov has the potential to become the Novorussian leader I was hoping would emerge. If that is so, then I will gladly plead guilty of having underestimated him. Still, I will also admit that I am very concerned for him. The fact that apparently the Russia media has given his press conference little or no attention combined with the rumor that he had killed himself is a powerful message sent to him by the 5th column who is showing how powerful it still is. In particular, I consider the rumor about his suicide as a very serious death threat. Even worse, and maybe these are my paranoid inclination speaking here, there are a lot of people on both sides who might be interested in seeing Strelkov killed. The Atlantic Integrationists and their 5th column would want him dead because he is so openly denouncing them, but make no mistake, there could also be Eurasian Sovereignists who might want him dead to have him as a martyr and symbol of Russian heroism. Is that cynical and ugly? Yes. And so is the struggle for power in Russia. Most people in the West have no idea how ruthless this struggle can be. Unlike Putin, Strelkov is not protected by an extremely powerful state security apparatus and, considering that he can be hit from either side. He better be very *very* careful.
Just for accepting to play the role he is playing now (and he, being an ex-FSB colonel, fully knows the risks) I consider him a hero and he has my sincere admiration. “They” will try to use him, threaten him, manipulate him, discredit him and use every dirty trick possible to either control him or crush him. Truly, his fate is already a tragic one and his courage remarkable. Fighting the Ukie Nazis, the Chechen Wahabis or the Croat Ustashe was a relaxing vacation compared to the kind of “warfare” going on in the struggle for the control of Russia. Since Russia is the de-facto leader of both the BRICS and the SCO the struggle for Russia is really a struggle for the future of the planet. I believe that Strelkov understands that.
The Saker
@it’s so different from the Christianity I’ve known that I feel like I’m starting from scratch.
Nora, you are on the right path. You have to start from scratch and to “unlearn” all you knew. You have everything in English.
Dear Saker :
A very public discussion about Great White Shark Hunting & Taming that I believe is relevant / correlates to your analysis :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
@Saker
Many thanks for the write-up! It clarifies many things I was worried about for the last few days.
I also wanted to warn you about some very sophisticated disinfo agents such as a
fake Serb on 13 September, 2014 00:59
who came up with an odious claim about “Serbs, killing Muslims in Bosnia like animals.”
No sources for his claim, of course! An why would s/he need any when the “truth” has been known from ZNN & other zionazi establishments?
Ergo: since Strelkov fought in Bosnia on our (Serbian side) as a volunteer, it must be the case that he is an animal as well?!
While an invasion of disinfo agents on your blog shows its rapid-growing popularity, its subtile propaganda might sometimes be dangerous for the less informed ones.
I’ll try to point to some of them occasionally – if you don’t mind.
Best,
First lorries from the 2nd aide convoy have arrived in Lugansk and are being unloaded.
The first trucks with humanitarian aid arrived in Lugansk
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/4732-pervye-gruzoviki-s-gumanitarnoy-pomoschyu-pribyli-v-lugansk.html
вот так
Hi Saker.
I am from Greece.
I read your blog and thanks for your great work.
If you want to see what will happen in Russia if things go wrong you can have a look in Greece modern history.
After world war ii we had a civil war sponsored by the US.
Afterwards came the Junta also sponsored by the US.
At the time Greece had Junta Cyprus was invaded by Turkey which was also sponsored by the US.
Also at the same time while Greece was in poverty by the civil war and the world warII some people out of nowhere got very very rich and they were funded by US.The key economy was passed in their hands such as oil import etc.
The Junta finished and “democracy” returned.
But it was West type democracy.
Now in Greece there is a pyramid.
On the top is the US foreign policy.
The policy is passed by US to the greek elites, the greek elites corrupt our politicians which are just US puppets.
All the media outlets in Greece are owned by the deep state elites and Greek people is like American people.
Thet are “blind”.
Living in Greece is like living in America.
I wish we had a politicians like Putin or Strelkov.
Greetings to our brothers in Russia.
Thanks for yet another deeply insightful analysis.
I have already posted the Strelkov interview and Col Cassad’s comments on Wikispooks here. The wikispooks comment that accompanies it is broadly in line with everything here. In particular, on the topic of his being surrounded by 5th Columnists (at least one of which to my limited knowledge – Surkov – he himself appointed) can be interpreted as keep your friends close but your enemies closer. It also focuses on Putin’s Chabad Lubavitch associations which frankly bother me a great deal but which can also be interpreted the same way.
Anyway, I intend to get this up asap to – with a few typo corrections and minor grammatical glitches fixed. I trust you are OK with that?
Great job Saker (as usual). After the total victory 5th column, at the end of Putin political life will come the time to reinstall formally the Tzar of the throne of Russia.
Saker, did you read this article in the London Review of Books?:
Why not kill them all?
It made me doubt whether an united Ukraine is really feasible. If it isn’t the next question becomes how its partition should be handled. The ideal scenario would probably be to get West Ukraine to secede.
i’ve seen many great things here, but i think saker must grow up. it’s fine and dandy to discuss about naive idealism of strelkov, but things are getting ugly on the ground. and i mean saker should bring more attention to the economic war against russia, because it’s the main battlefield right now. how russia will respond to sanctions, what’s the instruments to do something, what damage it will be done to russia? weak russia in economic sense is not much of a help to anybody, and for yourself as well…it’s fine to daydreaming about the world without oligarchs and rothschilds and rockefellers but it’s a harsh reality…
Excellent informative analysis
Thank you Saker…
Great analysis. Much more in depth than anything else youve written on this subject. Thank you for clarifying your point of view. I agree with most of what Strelkov said and they way you interpret it. All we want to see is Russia protect New Russia. Maybe with what Strelkov is doing right now, that will soon be a possibility.
We are all in this war together.
Some observations from the Netherlands:
Here’s the speech the Dutch king gave during the Nuclear Summit in March this year, referring to Tsar Nicholas II).
http://nos.nl/video/627655-koning-spreekt-wereldleiders-toe.html
And look at the faces of Merkel and Obama while listening to that speech.
The Dutch PM who is a historian also made historical references in an earlier speech, but to the time that the Netherlands were a Republic (like the US) and not a monarchy, and to a painting on which can be seen how civilian militias were involved in keeping order.
This entire summit really was about ‘Ukraine’ and about readying everyone for “the changed geopolitical situation and the huge danger facing us”. Obama told Europe to up its military spending massively (which is now happening, massively), that we should buy American gas (which we are going to do as soon as the US gets permission to sell in early 2016), and that there is no G8 any longer but only G7 (some say “the magic 7” referring to Christine Lagarde’s bizarre new years speech at Jan. 15).
Q: Strelkov went from swimming with Piranhas to swimming with Great White sharks。
R: Fortunately, Strelkov belongs to the kind of men who actually do and can swim with both species
Only in movies are they always ‘attacking‘ us, that fictional misconception [very unfortunately]- still exists today.
Sharks tend not to attack other sharks as there is enough prey to go around.
To become a shark and remain a shark a measure of calculation is normally required.
A shark would tend to attack another shark when the environment is compromised, and then to cement agreement and encourage productivity sharks tend to attack in concert.
Even then a shark will typically assess whether attacking another shark will on balance prove to be beneficial in the medium term.
This of course affords/afforded myriad opportunities not restricted to ex KGB/FSB colonels.
Your short thumbnail sketches of the Russian secuity services in the 1980’s and 1990’s whilst largely valid in themselves, deemphasises many levels of activities and nuance, although you do give some references within the body of your wider text.
For example using your thumbnails deemphasise the activities of the antidotes during the period; but it is generally difficult to define/perceive when an avalanche becomes an avalanche especially if the process is obscured by design.
As an example you may remember that Abramovich was a protege of Berezhovsky and reportedly was tasked with delivering the message to Berezhovsky that he should leave Russia with some ill gotten gains at the earliest opportunity; Abramovich himself being similarly advised shortly there after.
This was most likely a contributing subtext to Berezhovsky’s naive legal case against Abramovich and a likely contributing factor to Berezhovsky’s subsequent death; Berezhovsky’s ego being one of his Achilles heels.
With the exception of a short visit to Moscow to attend the Champions League final in 2008, Abramovich has mostly kept to his agreement whereas Berzhovsky was involved in various activities including politics in Latvia.
Khohdorkovsky is apparently trying to emulate Berezhovsky at least in some regard.
This of course is indicative of a process not restricted to Novorussia or Russia or even the planet.
It is a question of the bio-sphere since, although not yet widely perceived, the opponents had/have declared war on the biosphere.
Saker, you may well be correct in your analysis re current situation of Ukraine US NATO Russia but may I suggest you view these Youtube videos posted by Kuzzura on the developing
situation regarding the ceasefire agreement at Minsk and the exchange of prisoners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k3mRB6BN30
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY96rNvqGJm8ZlmtxndLLtTVagleoYN6j
My view is that Strelkov has become the conduit between the Putinists and the leaders of Novarussia. Putin is in full control of the situation regarding Russian 5th column Atlanticists, see this Youtube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
Putin via Fedorov is telling his ministers YOU ARE EITHER WITH US (THE RUSSIAN NATION) OR YOU ARE AGAINST US!
So events in Ukraine and Russia will see, in the near future, the people manning the Kiev Maiden and Moscow’s Red Square demanding TRUE DEMOCRACY. Goodbye the New American Century.
Anonymous @ 13 September, 2014 05:57
“He should tell that to offspring of his German nazi heroes whose forebears saw their dreams of lebensraum in the east suffer it’s first major setback in the winter of 1942 because the “Russians don’t fight in Winter”.
There are many notions of major setbacks in that war including Stalingrad to which you allude.
Some would posit that the first major set back was Brest in June/July 1941, or the perceived sucess of the Battle of Kiev in August/September 1941 leading the Wehrmacht to split forces.
If you need a winter one the Moscow oblast counter-offensive led by Zhukov November/December 1941 may fit your purpose.
Restricting your vision to Stalingrad may limit your understanding of “Ukraine” 2014.
Some suggested the first aid column should start from Volgograd – the former Stalingrad – as it has very good access into Donetsk and Kharkiv/kov but some thought the symbolism unnecessarily incendiary; starting from Moscow oblast would still resonate whilst affording better opportunities for foreplay.
“The 5th column is around President”{Quote}
“Putin’s KGB-state kleptocracy has 111 billionaires. Russia’s kleptocrats uniformly belong to Putin’s inner circle. They are owners of nominally private companies, members of his administration, or directors of state enterprises. These oligarchs operate behind a fog of secrecy and obfuscation that defy detection. International accounting firms have learned not to ask too many questions if they want to earn Russian money”. {Quote}
Source: @ Forbes –“Want Putin’s Attention On Ukraine? Follow His Money” – Paul Roderick Gregory
They cannot afford to loose, own personal fortune, reportedly hidden in Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The Swiss Gentleman, 2 hours conversation with Putin (without interpreter), was not for showing him a fly on the wall, but options of wiping out their money, or disclosing their money, jeopardizing the owner’s life. Russia is well under the HOOK, and Putin is part of it…
As far as I can see “regime change” is on the cards for any country that does not submit to US rule. If Nuland spent 5 Billions on bringing freedom and democracy and cookies to Ukraine, how much has she spent on Russia? They managed to destroy the Soviet Union and now are working hard to repeat this feat on Russia.
Can they be stopped? I do hope so. But it won’t be easy. And who will be left with the bill? The ordinary people. That is most disgusting. However… madness is ruling everywhere these days more than ever.
About Paul Craig Roberts. I’ve been reading his articles and as far as I’m concerned he is genuine (but not perfect). He recognises and states in perhaps not so many words (no, I haven’t read all his articles either) that the US Government is a criminal enterprise, which it is. It is corrupt from the top downwards, but not completely down obviously. As it is, anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who is arrogant and proud, like the neocons etc, WILL fall eventually, no matter what, it is an immutable FACT, it doesn’t matter how powerful anybody – or any country – is. The ONLY way for them to avoid it is to get rid of the pride and arrogance.
Great article, Saker! Thanks, again. Just a minor point: in the section ‘Strelkov’s potential in the Russian struggle for power’, you inadvertently state: ‘This 5th column of Atlantic Sovereignists are a mortal danger to both Putin and Strelkov and, as Strelkov correctly points out…’ I believe you surely mean Atlanticit Integrationists.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749442
Lavrov is a much more adept diplomat then Lurch Kerry who is probably the most inept Secretary of State the US has ever had
Europe had better rethink the notion that imported US natural gas will replace that imported from Russia:
The End of Fracking Is Closer Than You Think | VICE News
Canadian geologist David Hughes has some sober news for the Kool-Aid-drinking boosters of the United States’ newfound eminence in fossil fuel production: it’s going to go bust sooner rather than later.
Working with the Post Carbon Institute, a sustainability think-tank, Hughes meticulously analyzed industry data from 65,000 US shale oil and natural gas wells that use the much-ballyhooed extraction method of hydraulic fracturing…Hughes found that the production rates at these wells decline, on average, 85 percent over three years.
“Typically, in the first year there may be a 70 percent decline,” Hughes told VICE News. “Second year, maybe 40 percent; third year, 30 percent. So the decline rate is a hyperbolic curve. But nonetheless, by the time you get to three years, you’re talking 80 or 85 percent decline for most of these wells.”
He says that policies being urged by politicians ranging from former Alaska Governor Sarah “Drill, Baby, Drill” Palin to President Barack “All of the Above” Obama are promoting a quick, profit-making bonanza for the industry rather than the growth of a maintainable national energy policy…
“There is no doubt that the shale revolution has been a game-changer in the short term,” Hughes said. “The implication of my work is that it is not sustainable in the long-term.”
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749442
Lavrov is a much more adept diplomat then Lurch Kerry who is probably the most inept Secretary of State the US has ever had
Dear Saker,
I think there is something not cohesive in your story. It is the question of “different” interest of Russia and Novorossiya. Why would Russia want a unitary Ukraine instead of reuniting with all of south-eastern Ukraine (from Odessa to Kharkov, Kiev included) ??? Why ?
You keep on saying that s/e Ukraine is an economic basketcase, that Cold war 2 would be a disaster and so on. But that makes no sense to me. When Germany reunited in 1990., it took many years and BILLIONS of dollars of investement from West Germany to former East Germany, but nobody complained. It was clearly a united German interest for Germany to be united.
I believe that is the point Strelkov is trying to make. Why would he mention “the betrayal of Gorbachev” ? Why was he saying that Kiev has to be liberated from nazis, because it is the mother of all Russian cities ? It os obvious to me that Strelkov , like me, believes that better option for Russia is to take its half of Ukraine, or even more, then to let Ukraine be united.
After all, Strelkov participated in Yugoslav wars on Serbian side, and he clearly saw what betrayal of national interests was done to Serbian people in Croatia and also in Bosnia BY Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic. He doesn t want to see that happen again in Novorossiya.
It is NOT true that Russia does not need Ukraine! It would be the same as to say that Serbia does not need Republika Srpska (Serbian half of Bosnia) and Montenegro. Off course we need them! They were taken from us by the Western powers and their puppets, along with Kosovo and Krajina. If the Western world (brilliantly called by you “The Anglo-Zionists”) is not happpy with the re-unification of Russian people, then just f… them!
My point is: Russia should incorporate all of Ukraine from Odessa to Kharkov including Kiev in Russian Federation, or at least, create another state called Novorossiya in these borders.
This is exactly what Anglo-Zionists fear most. And I think Strelkov would fully agree, because he would not speak about “betrayal of Gorbachev” if he did not.
Regards from Serbia,
The Wend.
Hello Saker, times are tough and people are sadly very twisted inside. Envy and jeaoulsy will get them to say silly and useless things that will totally surprise you.
I’m a supporter of your site, your doing a great job.
The world is taking notice, believe me. People are talking about you.
The bigger and better you get, the more enemies, frenemies, opponents, critics and an assorted crew of individuals who will always say that they can do it better than you. Or think that your not doing enough.
They will NEVER be satisfied either.
They don’t care that you have financial problems, that you might be sick, physically exhausted, mentally spent.
No these people won’t just kick you while you are down, they will try to body slam you.
“Don’t go quietly into that good night”.
Rage and rage in your own style sir.
Fernando Martinez
b4real,
Hi back atcha! ;~) You made some awfully good points there and yes, I do think we are blessed to be able to watch this unfold. Because as genuinely ugly as things are, there’s also a great beauty in watching so many forces for Good emerge, and converge, in fighting this great Evil. I wish we could (or would) do more, but at least we’ve got a good ringside seat.
Mulga,
I am very sorry — and quite chilled, really — to hear about the extent to which Oz has become Kansas. What I’m also beginning to wonder is how any of our societies regain that which we have lost, given that so much of the loss appears to have occurred inside our crania. Your thoughts?
WizOz,
Yes re: Russian national interest. But also, it’s looking more and more like Atlantacist minds just have no capacity for either subtlety or complexity: everything is simply black and white. I’m not sure we were always like that, but I’m guessing it was always a strong part of our thinking that has at this point simply eradicated everything else.
And yes, it’s kind of fun starting over — and darned good I don’t *have* to learn a new language to do it in bc at my rate I’d probably never get past page one! ;~)
Congratulations on succinctly illuminating the key lines of the “schism behind the curtain”. I would certainly pray for Strelkov, but I would not fear for him. While in the west, palace intrigues are perceived to be the domain of a “club” – perhaps “fraternity” would be a better oversimplification, as the bonds of brotherhood and feedback loops often transcend schisms in ways unforeseen without excruciating analysis only affordable with the luxury of history. I would surmise that this truth also holds in the East. While certain complexities certainly endanger Strelkov, others left unsaid protect him. No man alone can reasonably expect to survive a full on engagement with the palace or one of its primary factions from outside the walls, but from the translation provided, this does appear a well thought out gambit for the next game of the match.
Thank you for all the hard work and insights provided,
a poltergeist dwelling at the crossroads of empires
Dovetailing with this analysis, a warning from Evgeny Fyodorov:
The Purge is Coming
(English subs)
From the vid intro:
A psychological shift has begun in Russia, where the visible catalyst has been the war in Donbass, explains Evgeny Fedorov, a Deputy in the Russian Parliament.
Within the ruling political and business elite a split has appeared, where some, by their basic survival instinct, have chosen to support Putin’s path of national sovereignty, while the others are expected to either join them or be purged (13:54). The mass media, on the other hand, is working against the nation (11:13), he claims.
In detail:
The real reason why Igor Strelkov resigned from his position as Defense Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic (04:05) and why national structures have not formed in Donbass, despite their declarations of sovereignty in May 2014 (01:21).
Legislation is being prepared for ‘mandatory de-offshoring’ of supposedly Russian corporations, 3/4 of which have a complex foreign ownership structure (23:13). Non-compliance will mean asset seizure.
Other essential and inevitable measures include nationalization of the Central Bank (28:34), breaking the tributary link with foreign central banks, and lowering interest rates to facilitate industrialization and job-creation.
The liberation movement is publishing a kind of “5th column assessment card”, a formula by which anyone’s actions and position can be assessed objectively (18:27 & 43:57).
While the technology of Orange Revolution against Russia is stuttering, Fedorov warns of the consequences of visible NATO troops in Ukraine (39:32), even if ostensibly only for ‘exercises’: the point of no return is passed and increasingly visible pressure upon Russia to surrender and be subordinated is now having the opposite effect – strengthening support for sovereignty.
The spiritual reason why a series of attempts by the West to conquer Russia have failed, including 200 and 400 years ago (35:45).
Strelkov wants to support Putin yet he does not follow the strategy of Putin. For Russia as whole the fighting in Ukraine is detrimental. A frozen conflict where the Russians and Ukies are talking is much better because time is of the essense and time is on Russias side. The reality of the situation is that General Winter is comming and he has always helped the Russian cause.
This time General Winter will be working behind the enemy lines. Once the rest of the Ukraine is cold and miserable they will see to it that they turn on themselves.
Russia in the meantime can arm the Novorussian side to the teeth. They can help rebuild and train the volunteers. Also it gives time for Putin to get the 5th column problems in place.
The real prize of the fight is the entirerty of the Ukraine and that can be hand if the wind starts blowing to the west. Kiev will fall eventually. Not today not tomorow and not by military means. It will fall from within and the Novorussian side will be the better option for everybody including the now rabid anti russian ukrainians.
Q – What do I (a psychopat) do if something scares the shit out of me?
A – I engage in a massive psy operation to convince everybody that what scares the shit out of me is in fact what I long for.
Q – What good is for me to negotiate with the devil (someone whose only satisfaction is to have me destroyed?
A – Zilch! Your only option is to kick the shit out of him!
Reality is a complicated affaire, but not that much.
This important article by The Saker is now to be seen (with typos corrected) at Russia’s Fifth Column.
@The Wend: This is exactly what Anglo-Zionists fear most. And I think Strelkov would fully agree, because he would not speak about “betrayal of Gorbachev” if he did not.
Dearest The Wend,
Excellent Post!
Putin is not trying to get over this, one way or another. Take it Putin or leave it.
The Georgian War comes to mind!
He has been playing ping pong with it. Sanctions, Counter Sanctions, Sanctions, Counter Sanctions, Sanctions, Counter Sanctions, …. back and forth, back and forth.
WHY?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
This whole entire analysis is confusing and riddled with contradictions.
If Strelkov is a moncharist who suppported the White Russians who were Tsarist and capitalists against he Bolsheviks, then he is not a communist nor communist thinker. Just another Russian nationalist and mlitarist.
He attacks from both the Left and the Right in typical Western form. The attacks from the Left are against the Russian “oligarchs”or captialists, and on the Right this “mother Russia” enlargement of empire concept.
No surprises that Strelkov only sees military solutions because that’s what he is–a mlitarist.
Putin is communist in his thinking. The solutions in the long run are political solutions. Any mlitary enlargemtn of this crisis will bring in the West, chomping at the bit, and NATO. Putin has cleverly avoided this. A better analysis is Conn Hallinan’s analyis, also from counterpunch, A Marxist analysis written early on.
Whitney is a mlitarist too and Paul Craig Roberts righteously angry with Western imperialists by a capitalist Libertarian who cannot see larger political solutions.
The worldwide politically evolving situation will make a HUGE difference and this is what Putin whom I believe is a Marxist Leninst, understands. There can be no ultimate mlitary solution in the Ukraine. Only a political one. Scotland could leave NATO. And possibly France in the neext election.
Winning a battle going to Kiev, and winnig the political war between the Western hegmonists and the rest of the world, rewinning Europe and preventing Russia from being politically isolated are the REAL GOALS here.
Being an optimist, I like very much what is posted by Malcolm Donald at 12:36, because it supports Saker’s previous insight that while the ‘cease fire’ does everything Strelkov is alarmed about, there is also a very telling political advantage to Putin’s tactic here,(and if as would seem Mr Donald is in Scotland he would be seeing results there, not only in Russia.)
Reductio ad absurdum is a time-honored manner of proof, from back in the days of Euclid. It is very painful for the human ‘elements’, and they are justified in expressing the pain. Strelnikov puts a human face on the abstraction, as does the aid convoys, as do the civilians caught in the conflict and fleeing their homes. They are all, every one of them, vital elements to be cherished and prayed for.
It is not just about political strategy. Politics must have a human face. (Have you seen Obama’s face lately?)
In Strelkov´s presentation, I was hearing there the voice of Alexander Dugin. They stayed together in Valaam monastery last week. This history thing, looking back to the Imperial Russia instead of Soviet Russia is definitely from Dugin’s pencil. I personally preferred the legacy from Soviet Union in the declarations of Donesk and Lugansk people’s republics. Every Russian is longing for the Soviet atmosphere instead of Imperial Russia.
Dear Saker,
I have given some thought to this as amongst other “DNA’s” I have also Old Chinese blood running in my veins, meaning in times of trouble, first and foremost, warning, prudence and awareness: I learned this from my late grandmother.
I would like to say that if by any chance you had not warned about the rumor on the possibility of Col. Strelkov’s death – I did read “Rumor” – and eventually that rumor became true/fact, well, I would think to myself that I had been «played around», if I may say so, because ultimately the truth would be known, meaning that there had been a rumor prior to the “fact”, and that you had known but not warned.
Your honesty and sincerity is what makes me come back to your blog (or the French one, or the Oceania, or the German (translated), or the Russian (translated)) read and learn, learn, learn and become aware, aware, aware. I keep repeating to myself: be aware of these nazi/fascist “bundle” of lunatic creeps to say the least.
The Spanish Civil War really did hit my family terribly. Nobody talked about it at home, especially because of my mother. It was to be forgotten. It did too much hurt to remember. My mother can not still speak about it.
But one should never ever forget such horrifying wars and savagery.
So thank you very much for the warning.
English is not my first language, nor are the other languages I know, speak, read and write, so please do not misinterpret the meaning of my comment.
Warning to the rumor trolls: “on y soit qui mal y pense”.
It was I. I’m the guilty one. I wrote that laughable, contemptible black and white over simplification about the Oligarchs vs the security state. Necessarily so, for brevity’s sake.
Every kindergarten has a diversity of talent, and the oligarchs also. Some actually know that west Europe/EU /the Atlantic region/ is being de-industrialized, and this is not good to hitch your wagon to. Some align with security state interests, they have a better sense of self preservation. China and India, and other BIRCS and similar countries are making significant activities of the western economies obsolete, by economies of scale and location effects. Some see the future clearly, and it looks like it is in Asia, and the other BRICS countries, Indonesia, Argentina, Iran, etc. It seems the AI types will be sadly disappointed, while the AS types will grow stronger.
In any case, If I write an over simplification, and it helps to prompt such an intricate detailed explanation as Saker provides, maybe I should make another over simplification, and see what results!
And I do have another over simplification, but I’ll work on it a bit more first.
Thank you, Saker, for the illuminating post. Thanks to others also for the wonderful commentary. It is always a joy to read here.
Pat
Putin understands that there will be no Russia and no defeat of fascism matters in the Ukraine for the future of humanity if there is not worldwide political cooperation around global warming.
Putin looks beyond Ukraine to resolution of larger world conflicts. Winning Ukraine and losing the battle against global warming will render this political conflict meaningless in the long run if there is not worldwide cooperation to resolve the largest most important battle facing humankind.
Putin is interested in resolving global problems like global warming and Fukushima. American and Western capitalists don’t care. They have a short term approach to political problems and are not interested in resolving global warming which they don’t acknoweldge. Their only interest is hegemony and profittaking.
Putin has a long term approach Marxist Leninist approach to world history. Pentagon and Western imperialists have no approach. They go from war to war and crisis to crisis.
Putin’s approach involves the world. Stelkov’s approach involves Ukraine and doesn’t look beyond Russia which will not survive global warming either.
Putin has just lost the Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia. Azerbaijan now ha new friends. This was triggered by his sanctions on Ukraine last year – a total blockade at times. He may be popular due to war fever but the ESs have noticed. Putin is in danger from the ESs not the AIs.
Your list concerning Strelkov omitted his distaste for elections.
@Westcoast:
Putin ia a communist in his thinking.
this is what Putin whom I believe is a Marxist Leninst, understands
Actually, you might want to look up his speech to a youth forum on August 29, in which he stated that Stalin was a tyrant, and that “Bolsheviks betrayed the national interest”.
Some highlights and coverage here and here.
“the huge number of Jews from Russia who emigrated to the USA and Israel. Keep that in mind when you think about Russian-Israeli relations”
Not good ol’ Avigdor? That really would be nth dimensional chess (for n >> 2).
Nora 02:13
The YES-2014 is prime Anglo-Zionist territory.
A short participants list:
Devon Archer, Jose Barosso, Ton Blair, Richard Branson, Niall Ferguson, Boris Filatov, Joschka Fischer, Luke Harding, Judith Miller, Simon Ostrovsky, Javier Salona, Luke Summers, Jimmy Wales
The program was a hoot too:
Tony Blair led a session called “Towards Reconciliation” (really)
Wesley Clarke led “War in Ukraine: Can It Become European? Global? And How Can We End It?” with contributions from Judith Miller
Jimmy Wales took part in “Media and Digital Communication in Revolution and War: Information and Disinformation”
Richard Branson came out with some particularly precious tweets:
“Great talking with 100s of students & young leaders at #YESUkraine2014 – they’ll be the job creators of the future”
(These young people looked like clichéd models – ideally suited for their future role as “democratically elected leaders”)
“We should all do all we can to trade together, live together, love together & prosper together”
I’m sure Inna Kukurudza would fully agree with Branson but she was shredded by the military of the Ukrainian regime.
Anonymous said…
“About Paul Craig Roberts. I’ve been reading his articles and as far as I’m concerned he is genuine (but not perfect).”
It is a bit more complicated that neocons. That is a fairy tale. There won’t be any change in Washington until Americans become bright enough to know who is running the show. Millions are pretty well programmed.
http://www.in5d.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know.html
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)
3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)
4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)
5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
Paul Craig Washington Roberts provides very limited information. He and Lendman act as if Hillary and McCain are pushing policy. This is very naive if not disingenuous. And many people spread it around as if it were holy writ.
The top of the pyramid begins in the vatican. Loyola was jewish, many popes have been jewish and hundreds of jesuits were jewish. In legal terms the vatican owns the insular city called the the City of London. It is a corporation just as Washington D.C. And that is what the courts go by, laws-see Black’s law book.
Taxes in America are a tribute to London and America is 18 trillion dollars in fiat debt. A rational man should realize that Washington is not in charge of anything. They act on orders passed down the chain.
44 American presidents were cousins of the queen, it is has always been a British colony. America has probably never seen a fair election in a major city. Diebold voting machines made in Israel now control even small town elections in America.
What we call five eyes is run by the UN and the IMF and that is who is running the show. Paul Craig Roberts doesn’t seem to understand that and yes he did pimp the policy from the top-Russia should invade Ukraine. That is exactly what was hoped for.
Australia is joining the show now saying NATO policy is their policy. It is all coming together. Australian policy is also City of London policy, NATO policy, not Washington policy.
Even in Japan, the royal family displays the star of David on monuments thousands of years old. When the khazars were pushed into Japan by Alexander and Ghenghis Khan they formed what is called Shinto Buddhism. It has temple built on the Solomon blueprint, they have ark of the covenant celebrations and a sacrifice pole. It is why German nazis came there to help them invade China and over thrown the last emperor. It is why Japan was allied with the nazis.
There is a huge monolithic structure now consolidating worldwide and it does not emanate from “Washington”. I am afraid we just supply the mercenaries. Paul Craig Washington doesn’t seem to understand this. He is there to insure people discuss world events in a simplistic manner.
Hmm.. can the terms siloviki and civiliki be explained through the AngloZionist lines? :) Never understood those.
It’s beyond my powers or at least energies to come to grips with the complexities of Russian power politics and those in relation to the West.
My point of view is broader and idiosyncratic. That being the belief in the decline of modern industrial civilization as outlined in places like Automatic Earth, Dimitri Orlov, JH Kuntsler etc. I see the struggle against Russia or to bring Russia fully into American dominated global financial system as sort of a last gasp of those seeking the centralization of power and wealth who might be called neoliberal.
Instead of preparing the world for less wealth as energy supplies decline and the climate changes they are going all in grasping every last piece for themselves. I see the now overt battle in Ukraine as much as a symptom of the decline of the centralizers power as opposed to a result of their quest.
After all why is all this wealth and energy being expended to bring new lands into the system when it is perfectly obvious that things at home, in the US and its declining middle class or the severe decline in the Southern tier of EU nations? Would not the wise thing to help shore up things at home?
This extremely negative outlook, collapse of industrial civilization caused by the decline of energy supplies and the stupendous multiplication of debt is not something I enjoy believing in. I hope it is totally wrong. Not for me do I hope that for I am too old but for the next generations.
At any rate it would do most everyone well to try and put the West vs Russia or the West vs anyone in the broadest of contexts. That being those are a passing struggle in a larger historic struggle as in the rise and fall of empires and civilizations.
A question to those who are understand who the oligarchs are and which of them side with the Atlanticists:
A number of sanctions have been placed on Russian individuals – are those individuals generally the ones who side with Putin? Could we say that any of them are members of the 5th column?
Obviously, I’m curious to know if there is a bias which further supports the existence of a 5th column.
Thanks.
RC
Dunno if related:
Putin takes control of national Military-Industrial Commission
The Russian President has taken personal control of the body that assures cooperation between the military and the defense industry, days after ordering a major reform of the sector.
Vladimir Putin also signed a decree on Wednesday giving presidential status to the Military Industrial Commission. The Deputy PM in charge of the weapons industry, Dmitry Rogozin, was appointed deputy chairman of the commission.
Dear Saker,Thank you for a brilliant analysis.John Le Carre ,in his own way,in “Our Kind of Traitor”,analyzed the Mafia-Olygarchs-Kgb-FSB inter relations.His depiction,in its core is very similar to yours.
What you wrote would explain certain inconsistencies and contradictions in foreign affairs that I and probably many others have noted,in the case of Syria for example.Syria being the most reliable and ancient partner of RF outside the slavic world.These sometimes blatant contradictions in the line of the bilateral relations were due to offensive remarks by some vice minister of Lavrov and forced very often a late explanation and denial by the Russian foreign ministry.They were also to be found in the declarations of the spokespersons of Russian armament industry.Or in an incident that left me puzzled for a long time but not anymore because you confirmed what I had long suspected meaning the spread of the 5th column.This incident concerned the defection to Moscow of the vice premier minister of Syria last year,a pseudo “opposition “leader who joined the syrian government and is known to be an arm dealer ,son of an arm dealer.That was the first time where it was obvious that the syrian government was visibly angry insomuch not because of the value of this dubious person but rather because of where he took refuge.There are obviously in Moscow a strong column that was delighted to inflict more pain to Syria.
In short,following as closely as I can Russian politics,I noticed discrepancies,sometime huge,in the Foreign Ministry,and declared hostility in the arms industry,many think tanks ,much more attuned with the zionist entity than with the interest of their own country,and different russian news agencies and media,Moscow Times being an example.
Lastly regarding the bilateral russian-syrian relations I think the visit of Rogozin to Damascus back in June must have clarified lots of things.I follow Rogozin since his (long )tenure as ambassador to Nato,his previous appointment where his sarcastic way of dealing with this very delusional corporation of the criminal was a delight to see,the fight between Reason and Hubris.
BCH
Strelkov is no player in this game. He is a brilliant tactical officer, but his higher ambitions will not be allowed. Probably rightfully. The 5-th column is no issue in this.
Yonatan said…13 September, 2014 18:47
Thanks for highlighting this:
“The YES-2014 is prime Anglo-Zionist territory…
…Wesley Clarke led “War in Ukraine: Can It Become European? Global? And How Can We End It?” with contributions from Judith Miller…”
No doubt she discussed the new intelligence tips she had just received about Russian supplied (they were delivered by Putin personally) Novorussian WMDs being readied for use on Kiev, and beyond. At which point Tony Blair chimed in with news that London was only 40 minutes away from a Novorussian WMD strike.
;)
вот так
Saker,
thanks again for your analysis. Imo this is one of the very best independent media operations on the international web and as such provides hope that all is not lost. As was said millenia ago in Latin: ‘illegitimi non carborundum.’ (‘Don’t let the bastards get you down.’) You exemplify that spirit in spades!
Dear Saker,
Many thanks for your insightful analysis. As always, it is very thought provoking.
I have great respect for Strelkov from what I have read about him and from listening to him. His speech does have conviction and I wish him well.
My impression is that he has strong backing of President Putin and he has been following the ordes as you would expect in the military hierarchy although he might disagree with some of them.
In terms of the ceasefire, I would also draw the attention of the readers to the broader picture of International theatre in which Ukraine and Novorossiya is but one battlefield, although one of the two most important ones. The other one being Syria and Iraq. Obama has already outlined his strategy regarding the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ and Kerry is already trying to gather allies who could finance the war and commit men. The action against IS won’t be restricted by International Borders and would serve as a pretext to attack sensitive targets in Syria and support ” good Jihadis”. Russia had successfully defused the Empire’s aggression in the past but now they have another front in Ukraine and the ceasefire would certainly help in divulging some resources to that other battlefield.
Also, US is leaving Afghanistan this year and that would free up some of its energy and resources which could be employed elsewhere.
Putin is also working on the SCO and the inclusion of new member states such as Pakistan and India would help in strengthening the alliance and spreading it right down to South Asia. I believe the necessary legalities were been ironed out in this latest summit.
Looking at the boarder picture, I can appreciate more why ceasefire was necessary.
PS: @Juliana: Yes. I have seen Obamas afce lately and wondered why did he look rather more evil than usual!
@Dalpe. Thanks for your comments. Quite agree with you.
Regarding the Fifth Column: Some of those people were already there when Yeltsin took power.
Others, especially younger people, may be part of the fifth column without even knowing it. They were ‘educated’ in Western Universities, lived in western cities and made friends with “nice people”. They got positions at international organizations and transnational companies, based on their political views. Finally they were sent back to Russia to use their expertise. Popular subjects are: trade, banking, supranational governance and civil society, including “minorities”. Their assignment – whether they know it or not – is to open the country up to foreign money and influence and to make it dependent on, and subservient to foreign powers.
There is a video featuring a discussion with Evgeny Fedorov about the Fifth Column. It lasts almost two hours, but it is worth every minute of it. Not just for Russia, but for any nation which would like to be independent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zRD-Ulv2s
I think people might be interested in the very general view of the situation given by Lyndon LaRouche on Press TV:
http://larouchepac.com/node/31751
Saker, thank you for a very good analysis )
I’m from Serebia and I was following this conflinct very closely because there are a lot of similarties there in Ukraine but on a much larger scale.
Few points for a western readers.
Strelkov or maybe better Strelok is not a real FSB colonel. He was working with FSB in Chechnyia but he was a commander of “Akacia” there ( artilliery).
He was removed because he wasn’t following the Kremlin agenda there in Novorussia.
He was forced to leave even if he made the Novorussia uprising there starting with a ~ 100 fighters in Slayyansk.
When he left Slavyansk with 2000 fighters back to Donetck that was the most competitive fighting unit in Novorussia.
Obilich
dublinsmick, you said: ‘Roberts…did pimp the policy from the top-Russia should invade Ukraine.’
Have you got a link proving that’s what Paul stated?
Translated into Serbian / Преведено на српски:
http://cirilizovano.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-saker_31.html
http://youtu.be/A8_GmKj93NQ
Saker,
I have read three of the articles about the (ex) tandem… I’ll read the other two tomorrow…
I’ve sent them on to my two friends…and I sent “We are Everywhere” to another friend.
Thanks so much.
Ann
To Dublinsmick
Wow, you sure have interesting comments.
How do you know so much ?
Dublinsmick :
Regarding PCR…I tried sending him a couple of emails about 2 months ago…before I discovered Saker’s site, and after the second email from me, Paul Craig Roberts made his computer reject my email permanently…like am I his enemy ?
Anon 23:48
” Anonymous said…
dublinsmick, you said:
‘Roberts…did pimp the policy from the top- Russia should invade Ukraine.’
Have you got a link proving that’s what Paul stated?”
Ann says
Anon, that’s a weird question because PCR never writes an article without slamming Putin for not doing what PCR thinks he should do…invade Ukraine….
Saker
I could be wrong in connecting the dots but if Putin’s recent public comments and your blog are any guide, it seems that a trap was laid for the Oligarch’s to show their true pro-AngloZionist colors after the Crimea was reclaimed and fighting began in the Donbass.
If the pro-Zionists control the financial sector and media, it sounds like the Banksters have their proxies operating inside Russia, much as they do throughout the entire world. If that is the case, it doesn’t take a genius to work out who the beneficiaries will be.
It is the NWO via their proxies, which I believe you are implying are the elements which must be purged (not your comments, btw).
Interesting theories. In September of 2015 the last market gasps will be extinguished. Then the dust is realy going to be stirred. 7 years of plenty 7 years of famine.
dublinsmick: I haven’t mentioned the vatican because its involvement in world affairs is more hidden and it’s more for later, like China too.
Both popes – white & black – for the 1st time are ex-jesuits. The EU is vatican created, and its expansion south, through (Jew) sarkosy’s Union of the Mediterranean – EU – and the EU’s Eastern Partnership, sponsored by Poland (and to a lesser extent Sweden). Not to mention that camoron (another Jew, and bankrolled by the Jews as openly stated by them, as was bliar) wants Turkey in the EU and the EU enlarged up to the Urals…did he ask Putin’s permission first?
Ann, I have written to Paul twice, the 1st time I got no reply, but on the 2nd I did. What notification did you get indicating that your message had been rejected by Roberts?
The transcript of the New Insight interview with Evgeny Fedorov may be seen here.
I think what’s wrong in Strelkovs view is that the Russian nation state and it’s grandeur is the ultimate and most just principle that politics have to follow and the assumption that Putin thinks and acts according to the same principle.
This of course coincides with Strelkov being a monarchist who puts the soviet revolution in one line with the dissolving of the SU as equally catastrophic for “Russia”. He’s not considering that for the ordinary russian citizen the Revolution brought a great improvement of life quality whereas the the end of the SU with the Yeltzin-era ensuing meant a great deal of misery to most. This at the base is reactionary thinking: the territory of Russia and it’s size being more important than the people living on it.
I think Putin does politics in a more smart and modern way: he really puts the actual interests of people in their very homes first. His premisse is to minimize human suffering, both on his and his enemys side. He puts trust into the individual to understand, at least in the long term, that his policies really are about their well-being, no matter what they think of him or Russia.
This basically means to always prefer peace over war, defense over aggression and negotiations over sanctions. The joining of Crimea was defensive as a reaction to the Maidan-coup, so was the support for the Donbass resistence as a reaction to the war waged on the Donbass, so was the cease-fire agreement with Poroshenko as a reaction to the Ukraine army’s and Donbass people’s losses.
And all of these events protected the civil population to the maximum extent. Of course civilians in the Donbass suffered greatly by the Terror-operation of the junta, but compare that to the suffering caused by a full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russian forces and the following guerilla war waged by nazi-groups positioned Gladio-style by NATO all over the place. Millions more refugees, most of them fleeing to Russia, tens of thousands more people killed or wounded would have been the consequence. Besides this would have been, as correctly stated, the wet dream of USA and their tool for breaking Russia an the EU-countries apart for good.
So here to me is a major flaw in the argumentation of the Saker talking about the 5th column in Russia:
But then, these are the very same people who wanted to save Novorussia by making the other AngloZionist dream, of having an overt Russian military intervention in the Donbass, also come true. My advice in regards to such “sorrow-patriots” as they are called in Russia is simple: beware of those who want to save Russia by making an AngloZionist dream come true. If you keep that in mind, the enemies of Russia will be fairly easy to spot :-).
Isn’t an overt Russian military intervention in the Donbass exactly what Strelkov is gonna provoke by pushing to Kiev militarily while asking for Russian support?
Dear Saker,
I am new to your site; but, I am already hooked. You provide the kind of information and analysis I have been wanting for a long time, and I have just discovered it. Several of the comments are great, as well!
Igor Strelkov press conference is very impressive! He is certainly a competent fighter and commander. I would not have known about his press conference if you had not posted it. Thank you! And I think that your assessment of what he said put the finishing strokes in the picture of what is really going on in Ukraine and Russia. I would indeed like to know more about President Vladimir Putin, Igor Strelkov and Alexander Zakharchenko. What a team!
It is a challenging time we are living in, isn’t it? I only hope to be giving a contribution to this struggle by making my humble comments in panels of discussion in your website and a few others…
A parallel interpretation of the conflicts in Ukraine might be found in the works of Darcy Ribeiro, a Brazilian dialectic materialistic anthropologist and Minister of Culture in the Brazilian government ousted by the CIA sponsored military coup of 1964. In his pioneering (and somewhat ‘neglected’ by Western academies) book THE CIVILIZATIONAL PROCESS (available from the US Library of the Congress), Ribeiro demonstrated that the Soviet Union was comprised by the most advanced societal formation in the world (as a category of analysis, his concept of societal formation helps to understand the fate of societies). And he predicted that, since the civilizational process would proceed, the Soviet societal formation would be at the forefront of future advancements – that is, the other societal formations would struggle to catch up with it.
Ribeiro’s theoretical proposition of a civilizational process is of political and military significance due to the depth of his analysis. From this perspective, we can see that the Anglo-Zionist war against Russia (in Ukraine and other fronts) is a result of more than a mere economic concern, although this is their chief concern (Marx was right, of course!!!); its broader rationale is the complete destruction of the societal formation that challenges their own, that challenges their primacy in the civilizational process and may, eventually, change their predatory economic system. From Ribeiro’s perspective, we can also understand why the Anglo-Zionist Empire carries on the relentless destruction of its ‘dangerous enemies’ around the world – some (like Libya) militarily inoffensive and defenseless; all of them represent threats to their own outmoded way of life, crammed with conflict and waste.
But, despite this decades’ long attempt at destroying the advanced societal formation that the Soviet Union gave birth to, it is still resilient in Russia and in several other smaller States – including a significant part of the Ukraine – and its influence is ever increasing.
We can thus conclude that the Resistance – in Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere in Eastern Europe – is more than a fate or a remarkable decision of their front-runners; it is the de facto result of unstoppable historic developments, of deeply rooted beliefs, feelings and way of life. The Western players refuse to understand this; and, in their obsession for power, they are waging a war that they are destined to lose.
Dear Saker. I value you blog , I think it to be one of the best together with the ColonelCassad blog and El-Miurid.
I agree with your analysis but differ on your conclusions. First I would simply call the “AI” group traitors and the “ES” group patriots. May seem a bit primitive, but that is just what they are. Second I think that Russia should respond not with counter-sanctions and diplomacy but with a military intervention to liberate all of Novorossia and even all territory east of the Dniepr. The only field where Russia can match the west is the military and especially the nuclear weapons. There will NOT be a third world war over Ukraine, there will NOT be any Nato intervention. Both Obama, Merkel and Hollande were clear on that. No one in the west is interested in dying for some illegal fascist government in Kiev. They just want to frighten Russia from intervention in stead, because they know Russia would win in one week and the west would have to pick up the rest, i.e. the most western parts of Ukraine (Galicia) that Russia does not want anyway.
Let’s hope the “5th column” does not make a rerun of 1917.
“There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. “
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
Let’s hope the “5th column” does not make a rerun of 1917.
“There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. “
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
Interesting tangentially-related piece concerning the recent status of infiltration of the Russian media:
http://pastebin.com/W3vynnBv via http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-truth.htm
Could be worth follow-up.