As reported by Pravda (link below) a Russian Su-24 was shot down near the Turkish border. The Turks are saying that its was their F16 warplanes and Pravda reports it as ground fire
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/24-11-2015/132682-russian_fighter_shot_down_syria-0/
Post by webmaster
“…Today they practically declared war on us by shooting down our fighter jet. Our patience wears thin with Erdoğan and his criminal clique who is accomplice in all atrocities committed by ISIS terrorist. To avoid a bitter war which nobody craves, for several times, I told Americans to muzzle their rabid dog in Turkey,” Russian News Agency TASS cited the Russian President as saying.
We are indeed on the verge of an all-out war with the godfather of all terrorists in one of the extremely volatile areas in the world, added Mr. Putin, we worked diligently to solve the Syrian crisis through diplomatic means, but much to the international community’s chagrin, the Turkish AK Parti-led regime under Erdoğan seeks to ignite the fires of war.
http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/president-putin-by-shooting-down-our-fighter-jet-turkey-practically-declared-war-on-russia,-turkish-dictator-erdoğan-is-an-accomplice-in-isis-crimes
The Obama White House is giving ISIS a 45 minute warning before bombing their oil tankers by dropping leaflets advising potential jihadists to flee before air strikes in Syria.
“Get out of your trucks now, and run away from them. Warning: air strikes are coming. Oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life,” the leaflet reads.
The leaflet drops are justified under the premise that the oil tanker drivers might be civilians and not ISIS recruits, although it’s an explanation that doesn’t wash with critics.
Evidence also continues to emerge that ISIS is receiving support from state sponsors of terror like Turkey and Saudi Arabia. $800,000,000 worth of ISIS oil has been sold in Turkey, a supposed U.S. ally. ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa and Turkey, while the NATO country facilitates black market oil sales on behalf of the terror group.
Hey Saker and Russian speakers – tell us about the sense of this quote in the original: “…several times, I told Americans to muzzle their rabid dog in Turkey,” Russian News Agency TASS cited the Russian President as saying.” In English “telling” somebody as in “I told him to do…” is an order, not a request. Is Comrade President ordering his “American Partners” to mussel their client. Is the translation accurate? If so, it’s in the nature of an ultimatum… So it seems.
Hey Red,
Good catch. It’s definitely not an order in the original Russian. It’s more like “I told you so…” or “I suggested…” so to speak.
I was heartened to see President Putin in Tehran yesterday and I can just imagine that that elicited just the opposite reaction in equal measure from the Americans and their regional allies including the Turks. I am not sure this escalation from Turkey was coordinated or somewhat even encouraged by the Americans but I wouldn’t rule it out either. The Americans have gotten increasingly vocal about their desire for no fly zones and save havens. This further proves just how wise Saker was to urge caution and calm and avoid triumphalism on the part of us in the resistance.
As to what Russia can do to hurt the Turks:
1) I am sure the Russians are level headed enough to not engage in an immediate overreaction
2) But I do believe Russia should coordinate with Iran and hurt Turkey’s energy supply. Both Russia and Iran have been far too timid in this regard.
3) Russia should also beef up its aerial presence in its own territory neighboring Turkey because they have done about as much as they can do in Syria.
4) Lastly, there is only one solution to this constant Turkish harassment. And that is by helping the Kurds connect their two provinces in the North of Syria, thereby creating a Kurdish buffer to Turkish southern expansion and cutting off ISIS’ connection to Turkey.
Nasser, #3 looks very possible and very tempting. And most importantly, logical.
Sorry Nasser, I meant #4.
Russian warplane shot down at Syria-Turkey border LIVE UPDATES
“12:53 GMT
Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
The plane was hit by a Turkish warplane as it was travelling 1 km away from the Turkish border, Putin said. The plane posed no threat to Turkish national security, he stressed.
Putin said the plane was targeting terrorist targets in the Latakia province of Syria, many of whom came from Russia.
Russia noticed of the flow of oil from Syrian territory under the control of terrorists to Turkey, Putin said.
Apparently, IS now not only receives revenue from the smuggling of oil, but also has the protection of a nation’s military, Putin said. This may explain why the terrorist group is so bold in taking acts of terrorism across the world, he added.
The incident will have grave consequences for Russia’s relations with Turkey, Putin warned.
The fact that Turkey did not try to contact Russia in the wake of the incident and rushed to call a NATO meeting instead is worrisome, Putin said. It appears that Turkey want NATO to serve the interests of IS, he added.
Putin said Russia respects the regional interests of other nations, but warned the atrocity committed by Turkey would not go without an answer.”
This is an official claim turkey and isis are allied from Russia. In other words, the Russians now officially consider turkey a terrorist sponsoring state. With that in mind, I do not think the Russians will attack turkey in response, since that is obviously one of results what the zionazis want. Russia will sidestep this “here, take my pawn”* gambit.
* In chess, it’s a common, though beginner’s trick to lure an opponent into an easy victory over a pawn in order to get them to expose themselves to a more serious attack. Turkey is most definitely just a pawn in the greater Israel/mackinder great game strategy. One can consider Israel is the king, the USA, the queen (fitting) and the rest of ZPC/NWO major power brokers as bishops, rooks and Knights. The Russians won’t be interested in taking this pawn, they are taking the long view and working towards checkmate.
I forgot to post the link for the quoted material in my post above.
https://www.rt.com/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/
The U.S. and UK were gung-ho in reporting that the Russian Airliner shot down over Sinai was downed by terrorist while Russia remained silent….When their own experts divulged that the plane was brought down by a bomb of foreign origin, their subsequent silence was deafening……Telling ME that Russia knows precisely WHO did the downing. Russia who possesses jamming devices, evidently did not use it, as it had agreements with all interested parties and shared with them WHERE they were flying. I suspect from now on they will use it making a repeat of this disaster not possible. We may safely assume that any Russian/Turkish pipeline is now nixed, as well as any future cooperation
News that both pilots were shot and killed while in the air, may become a U.N. or ICC issue since the shooting of pilots bailing out of aircraft is a war crime in international law. . .
As things stand now, it’s a win-win incident for the Turkish, intended to chicken out the Russians. Nato fully supports Turkey. Is Russia ready to escalate.
It’s Turkey’s no-fly-zone. Was any Su-30 protecting the Su-24?
Despite Turkey being a NATO member, the US military spokesman said the downing of the Russian warplane is an issue to be settled between Ankara and Moscow.
“This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the [US-led coalition operations]. Our combat operations against ISIL (IS, ISIS) continue as planned and we are striking in both Iraq and Syria,” Steve Warren, spokesman for the US-led Combined Joint Task Force, is cited as saying by Reuters.
This morning, I had breakfast with the news that the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights had made a counting of civilians killed because of Russian bombings resulting in 400, referring to the use of barrel pumps, etc .. etc … the same speech used against Assad ( nobody knows how an observatory consituted by a man who reports from the English countryside can make such a claim and on what basis to do it, but we already know this source as the origin of all the lies that have been said about Assad )
Seemed to me strange, because these last days, on TV, Russia has been named as part of the coalition that along with France, US and UK, was bombing ISIS in Syria. This has given me a bad feeling and then now I have seen the news of the demolition of the Russian fighter. Clearly a provocation was brewing. I have never trusted this alliance with those who have fueled the terrorist jihadism since its inception. From the moment that Hollande said that France was at war I knew something like this would happen.
I have clear that someone is interested in a full-scale war from the Ukrainian events
Perhaps the time to release the information on the list of sponsors of ISIS, in which, for sure, is Turkey ?
@ elsi:
“I have never trusted this alliance with those who have fueled the terrorist jihadism since its inception.”
Same here, elsi.
I never trusted a word they’ve said, since the Vienna talks, the G20, France getting involved in “fighting ISIS” after the Paris attacks… never trusted any of this one goddamn bit.
Yet, there were plenty of respectable political commentators cheering the fact that the West was finally coming around and siding with Russia’s side in the fight of terrorism. Their wishful thinking, however well-intentioned, now lays in tatters, I’m afraid to say.
-TL2Q
Step one for Russia: conclusive proof before the UNSC that the the Su 24 was always in Syrian airspace.
Step two: Turkey claims its F 16 downed the Russian jet. If so, a RADAR plot of the Russian and Turkish planes. If that plot reveals that indeed the Su 24 was attacked from the air, were the Turkish planes in Syrian airspace. If so Turkey is the aggressor and can not imho invoke the NATO attack clause.
This is planed provocation with full US/NATO blessing.
The game is to severe Russia – Turkish relations to the point of closing Bosporus and cut Russian supply route to Syria.
That’s it.
Well done! Yes, read the montreux convention – the plan is to close the straits to Russian traffic.
I don’t see it happening, but the sweetest revenge would be for Russia to somehow able to convince NATO to kick out Turkey!
The solution is to expel Turkey from NATO, because of reckless endangerment and kamikazism, and that they manage with their sponsors from the Muslim Brotherhood, who have organized all the Syrian disaster. Or, the rest get out of NATO. I’m not going to let this criminal to drag me into a war where my country has not missed anything.
Also Erdogan could be topple, as was done with Yanukovych, because this man is out of his mind, clearly, and is a danger to humanity. He has trained the jihadist terrorists in his own territory and everything keeps going through his country, among others in the area. Not to mention the release of the mass of refugees, which is also his work.
Da Erdogan kaputski
I notice that Tirky waited until they could shoot at a lonely ground attack role aircraft (Su-24m). Those two F-16 pilots would be dead now if they had shot at one of Russia’s actual fighter aircraft (or they would have missed).
The turkish government as the Ukrainian, vassal of the US, does the bidding of Washington: shoot down the planes to cause Russia.Erdogan not crazy to shoot down a Russian plane unless he had the OK from the US. The US is specialized in provocations of airplanes. The US needs more and more to precipitate the clash with Russia and BRICS! Economic crisis is coming…The game board has to jump, blaming someone else And now we promote a campaign internazione isolation of Turkey terrorist. And Europe, where the consent for Russia is growing, what will? Europe sided with Turkey supporter of terrorism because of member ‘OTAN? Increasingly difficult for Europeans. Honour to Russia and its airplane pilots.
Turkey obviously wants to find out what will happen if it pokes a sharp stick up Russia’s ass. Turkey is about to find out, for sure. The NATO chiefs obviously want to ask Turkey what in hell Turkey thinks it is doing shooting down a Russian jet while the Jet is inside Syrian air space. I’d like to have an ear in the room when the Turks offer their explanation to the incredulous NATO chiefs. NATO had always hoped that it would be an attack against them which would bring its members into but now NATO has to face the reality that it is an attack by one of its members which has brought them into the war room. Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government and with the unanimous consent of the United Nations Security Council. It is Russia which has both the right and the might. Turkey has neither the right nor the might, and neither does NATO.
My take:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y9Pvm4q–iE/VlR9Phb-t_I/AAAAAAAAW50/ew41auGMC3M/s1600/IMG_0002.jpg
This is what Ashton Carter meant when he spoke of Russia taking casualties in Syria. What Russia can or should do is not clear. But I suspect that since the Empire got its UN resolution, legalizing its actions in Syria, they will now try to hijack Russia’s operation there. This is likely the first move in that direction.
Russia must act in a very strong way to deter this sort of attacks in the future.
Was the blowing up the power plant that supplied power to Crimea by the ukronazis a part of a plan to contain the Russian navy? Then the NATO exercise and the formation of the special operations forces in Ukraine, and finally, shooting down the Russian warplane… Everything looks perfectly arranged. Anybody sees a connection here?
coincidences, they happen, but Mackinder would surely see a connection
Siding With ISIL? Turkey Spotted Dealing With Radical Islamists in Syria
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151124/1030667934/turkey-funding-arming-isil-alqaeda-oil-smuggling.html#ixzz3sQbUutAJ
One has to wonder if erdogan noticed that the leash attached to his testicles is made of pale blue string that is quite “kosher”. The Israelis have been playing erdogan & co. from the very beginning.
One commenter noted that, in the face of all this, the Russian military appeared to have “nerves of steel”. I believe Putin and his team do as well. They have avoided recent efforts to lure them into making rash decisions and they will continue to do so. They have wisely made every effort to play by the rules of the game and, if the facts are on their side, they will play all this to their advantage on the world stage. There will almost certainly be retribution; probably later; but first they have to play this to their greater advantage. We too need nerves of steel.
What about the “moderate rebels” who are with the pilot in that video?
These are those with whom have to negotiate the new Syrian government?
Yes, running, tomorrow….what pieces!
By the way, are they still alive?
according to Reuters, the Turkish government says the pilots are alive
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/669191195986366465
Russian retaliation?
Expect the complete destruction of Turkeys interests in Syria
Expect fighter escorts for bombers
Expect a shoot first ask questions later at the slightest provocation
Expect any Turkish incursion into Syria to be hit with AA missiles
Russia will get its pound of flesh from Turkey sooner or later…….
Turkey is delusional if it thinks the West will go to WW3 for a non European muslim country
When Russia began its military campaign in Syria, the Obama administration and its allies quickly claimed it was a disaster in the making. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper called Russian President Vladimir Putin “impulsive” and said he was “winging it” in Syria with no long-term strategy. Former United States Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul ridiculed Putin’s “supposed strategic genius,” arguing the Russian leader “cannot restore Assad’s authority over the whole country.” Even President Barack Obama joined the chorus, publicly warning Putin that he risked an Afghanistan-style Russian “quagmire” in Syria.
It turns out, though, that the joke’s on Washington: Thanks to shrewd tactics plus tailwinds from the Paris attacks, Syria is turning into a major strategic victory for Putin. Here’s what he’s accomplished and how he did it.
For starters, as Putin explained in both 2013 and during his recent United Nations speech, what he fears most is power vacuums filled by extremists. As Putin stated early in Russia’s bombing campaign, Russia did not plan major ground operations, since its goal was simply “to stabilize the legitimate government” to prevent its immediate overthrow. For this reason, as director of the Carnegie Moscow Center Dimitri Trenin argues, Putin never meant to help Bashar al-Assad achieve complete military victory, but rather to stave off Syria’s collapse.
Josh Cohen is a former USAID project officer involved in managing economic reform projects in the former Soviet Union. He contributes to a number of foreign policy-focused media outlets and tweets at @jkc_in_dc
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/24/in-syria-the-jokes-on-washington/
I only have thoughts at the moment.
One is that the US is going to do a “Saddam” on Erdogan. Recall how Saddam was led to believe that he could invade Kuwait and get away with it? And then he got turned on big time. Israel wants a fragmented Turkey as much as it wants a destroyed Iran, so maybe this is all about leading Turkey into a trap. Let Erdogan think he can get away with it, then leave him to the wolves (in this case, the Russian Bear).
The other thought is that this downing of a Russian attack jet, the Paris attacks, all parts of the same operation. Get a Nato aircraft carrier flying attack missions over Syrian skies, then provoke a hot war with another Nato member. Unsure about this one, but all considerations have to be entertained at the moment, in these extremely dangerous times
Turkey and its allies have been supporters of Daesh for a while. I’m glad Putin stated it as such. Now how will those who support Daesh will respond, not Russia. Russia has been doing a good job in its response. One of its airliners, and now one of its fighters. The response has not change since the beginning. My sorrows to the families of the pilots and Russia.
Many of the observations offered by the Vineyard community are clear, like fine crystal made in the Borisov factory. The American government can never be trusted because at the chosen time, words on paper are just the cover of smoke that hides veiled treachery. It seems at this juncture President Putin always leaves the door of peace ajar, giving Washington ample opportunity to embrace the olive branch instead of the sword. Perhaps this is one of his failings as a son of Russia, a true Christian nation. Dear Mr. President, you are not dealing with rational men but psychotics who have been released from the asylum of Hell. To have faith in Washington is to trust the Devil for he is firmly entrenched in his palace along the Potomac River.
This recent betrayal by Turkey is not the end, only the beginning. There will be more deception, more schemes, more perfidy and more hypocrisy from the shammers posing as polite western statesmen. The federal republics need to understand this one irrefutable fact of contemporary history and that is the Rubicon has been crossed. Evil is sweeping over the earth like a dark shadow of malevolence. Mother Russia must gather her people around her and prepare them for a great battle that will last for decades. This is difficult to believe for those of us who cannot conceive of another world war in our lifetime.
The trap has been set in Syria to snare the bear and it will be fully sprung in Donbass which will open two fronts against the standard bearers of peace in Eastern Europe. Putin needs another army to shore up Syria so he can buttress his western flank in preparation for a move by Washington against him.
That brings me to repeat what I have written a number of times before. China has to engage now with ground forces in Syria to help Russia and the SAA defeat ISIS inc. Mr. Lavrov needs to make serious inquires with Foreign Minister Yang Yi and convince him that what is occurring now in Syria will have far reaching implications for China if Russia has to fight the US/NATO proxy alone in a regional conflict.
Let us also not forget the Persian army… Otherwise all good points.
So they dressed up someone who looked like the navigator and killed him? They posted ID badges and emergency procedures checklist for Russian pilots.. And very heavy bombing of area around where the pilots where killed.
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/669137811027660800
Al-Mayadeen TV : The Russian Jet fighter got ambushed by 2 Turkish aircrafts then fired by air to air rocket .
Russia is not in #Syria to declare WWIII. It is for a specific mission but now this “mission” will be enlarged and will expand. +
Multiple reports that both #RuAF pilots are alive and #Turkey is attempting to transfer them from Turkmen hands and into the country
Pentagon cannot conclude whether #RuAF jet entered #Turkey airspace
RuAF heavily bombarded Jabal Turkmen following downing of Su-24 by #Turkey
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/669193075554562049
Wikileaks publishes Turkish letter to UN, Russia violated Turkish air space for 17 seconds and were warned 10 times.. US agrees turkey did nothing wrong..
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/669196310747090944
One of the #RuAF Mi-8s destroyed by terrorists TOW ATGM during SAR operation for downed Sy-24 pilots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0&feature=youtu.be
warned 10 times in 17 secons… wow…
Has Ankara started a new Russo-Turkish war? Is Erdogan simply insane, or in league with radical ISIS?
@Is Erdogan simply insane, or in league with radical ISIS?
The statements are not mutually exclusive. He is both.
Turkey Raising Black Flag of ISIL by Shooting Down Russian Plane
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151124/1030679775/turkey-su24-russia-syrian-airspace.html#ixzz3sQisupGn
“Shooting down a Russian airplane in Syria was an act of support for the Islamic State terrorists being targeted by Russian airstrikes, Gilbert Collard, deputy for France’s Front National party, told Sputnik on Tuesday.
“I consider the fact that a Russian plane was hit, while fighting the Islamic State is a recognition of the state Turkey is now in,” said Collard.
“Turkey destroyed people and a plane that were fighting the Islamic State. In doing so, it chose its side, and that is the side of terrorists.”
Set up to take a fall…
I think Turkey doesn’t deserve to own its European part. It will be better for everyone if it is controlled by Russia.
I read that when Putin was the head of police in Moscow dealing with gangsterism in order to put a stop to police killings he said if they kill one of us, we kill ten of them. I hope to god he takes the same attitude here. I know this can lead to world war, but so be it. And I have plenty to live for and love in this world and live better than 80% of the people on it although shamefully that is not hard to do. But I cannot live in a world where my own government is complicit in the most horrendous of crimes. I would rather see it wiped off the map then let them get away with it. And thank God for Russia having done so. Listen to William Blum: https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/250457-iran-us-obama-policy/
He says the same thing I have been saying and gives all the historical evidence to go with it. The difference between Blum and I of course is that I tie this up with the crisis of capitalism depression and war. History has demonstrated this as well and it is the only way to understand global events and empire in it’s historical specificity-the world historical moment of global capitalism in crisis.
Insular/local versus international. Huge difference to put mildly.
Syria (Russia) downed a tyrkish F4 in june 2012, when the anglo zionist considered taking over the syrian airspace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_interception_of_Turkish_aircraft
Many people here and elsewhere are claiming that the turkish shooting down of the russian aircraft is “An Act of War”
No it is not.
Replying militarily when someone violates your airspace is not necessarily an act of war.
BUT: Repeatedly violating the Airspace of a potential enemy is always a potential act of war.
Given that the violation appears to have occurred and given that such violations appear to have occurred on a regular enough basis, it’s up to the Turks how they choose to respond.
YOU might think that they should have only responded diplomatically, and I might even agree with you, but that is not your or my call to make.
The Turks are under no obligation to respond diplomatically when a foreign power repeatedly violates their airspace. Nor are they obliged to consider your or my wishes when they do choose to respond.
The Russkies knew what they were doing when they did it – they are not children. They knew the range of possible outcomes. I’m sure they have gamed their response – if not then they are much much more foolish than I ever considered possible.
Similarly the Turks knew what they were doing when they did it – they too are not children. They too knew the range of possible outcomes. They too are sure to have gamed their response.
It takes two to tango after all.
Clearly the Turks thought about this before they went and did it. And they obviously figured whatever price to pay will be worth it.
BUT: Whether anyone here likes it or not, by all International laws they had every right to do what they did.
This “it only entered Turk airspace for a very short time” excuse that people are and will be proffering, is nonsense. It did enter, and that’s all that matters from the Turk p.o.v.
Diplomatically and Politically it is probably a v. v. bad move, but we’ll have to wait and see what Putin’s response will be. This is a v delicate situation, but right now, legally, Turkey is actually on solid ground [legally].
BTW: Until today the Turks have not chosen to respond militarily to these provocations. Today they chose to. Such a response was always a very strong possibility, given that Russia and Turkey have been playing footsie over this from day one.
The Russkies decided to push the point and now Turkey have pushed back.
Mexican Standoff
nonsense, if you shoot down another countries fighter jet in *disputed territory*, i.e. territory that is not even confirmed or recognized as yours, it is an act of war. Plus, even using the “facts” from Turkish side, that fighter was over that area for at most 15 seconds, but Turkey claimed to have warned 10 times (in 15 seconds?). total BS.
Yep, act of war, say whatever you want. First – most likely Turkey attacked RuAF in Syrian airspace. It is a clear act of aggression, clear act of war. Second – they have set up an ambush, so it was planned in advance ie clear act of war again …
Net time erdo sends his jets to bomb the Kurds.. Putin should shoot down all 6 of his jets all the way to Ankara.. Remember the US used a little known law about chasing bandits across international boundaries when they committed a crime in the US.
The pushing aint started yet, Turkey is done for.. and you can stick a fork in it..
Now russian mod claims su 24 was hit in syrian air space thus turkey violated syrian air space. Its act of war. So turkey is not on solid ground legallllllyyyy.
The anti-Russian sentiment that spews forth from your cubbyhole in Langley world is wasted here. Perhaps you should ask your handlers for another serving of pâ·tés de gruel so you may have the strength to search other blogger sites where a gathering of your unwashed brethren frequently visit such as: the Weekly Standard or the American Enterprise Institute. This is what happens when minions who live in the matrix find the Washington propaganda that flows through their self-administered intravenous line becomes pinched. It causes their brains to flutter and they expel superficial gibberish.
Turkey has not declared war with Russia yet your acceptance of Erdogan’s claim of airspace violation justified the murder of pilots fighting terrorists without confirmation of fact is no surprise to many of us who comment here at the Vineyard or Moon of Alabama. Your interpretation of international law governance is completely wrong as the law requires a court to determine innocence or guilt, not some corrupt politician who thinks he is a judge or jury in possession of the ultimate scepter of authority to administer the death penalty by his blood soaked hand.
What were the Russians engaging that the Turks wanted them to stop?
I also wondered if the Russian aircraft had imagery collection capability. Wonder what it “saw?”
I think there is a simple 2 fold response which must be taken:
Defensive Military Posture: Put full EW measures into operation and Bombers must have fighter support in area of operations from now on.
Offensive Diplomatic Measures: Take the gloves off here. Russia states they have the names (down to “natural persons” who are supporting ISIS. Make this information public for all the world to see. Go full nuclear option on diplomatic front. Expose where those ISIS oil trucks were going and who was paying for that oil. Fully disclose those who have armed ISIS and are sheltering them.
Fully expose Turkey for the terrorist state they are. A NATO terrorist state which calls into question the very existence of NATO. Russia needs to engage the people of these countries. As an American I do not support evil that my own government has perpetrated and released upon the world in my country’s name. I hope the the normally apathetic American citizens once made aware of this would wake up and call on accountability of our government. But, the message needs to come from outside and it must be a full media campaign to penetrate our own state run media.
Excellent commentary, follow the money is the key meme. America only sees and hears what the controlled media tells them. Our people must awaken from their insipid slumber lest we continue to wallow in immoral depravity.
This thing is going out of control real fast with Turkey escalating a pre planned op..
CONFIRMED: Russian Mi-8 helicopter hit by shelling in #Syria during search & rescue op, 1 marine killed – MoD http://on.rt.com/6xgq
Let me get this right, Erdo decides to go to war with his largest reading partner and Turkies future.. Does this guy lose all sense of reality??? On drugs??? This is not a war that Turkey can win any any way you look at it, economically, politically or even a real war.. This nut case just threww Turkies future down the toilet.. Russia is NOT Syria.. Or Iran..
His so called kinsmen are all dead.. And he is in no position to dictate to Russia or even Iran about Turkish operations outside international law… He thinks he is the US.. Just plain out of his insane mind. And this ambush was not because Russia crossed some air space for a few seconds..
Because… The Russias are bombing some of Erdo’s terrorists..
Turkish President on downed #Russia plane:This event occured within the framework of the engagement rules.
Turkish President Erdoğan on downed #Russia plane: We have kinsmen in the area that are being bombed.
Turkish President Erdoğan on downed #Russia plane: Russia is bombing #Bayirbucak Turkmens and claiming they are targeting #ISIS.
Erdoğan says will soon put into practice humanitarian safe zone between Jarablus and Mediterranean cost with allies
https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG
From France, my deepest condolences to the families of the brave Russian soldiers, who gave their lives in the war against fascist and lunatic jihads.
Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger
Three steps as announced by top brass:
1.Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
2.Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
3.Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber.
The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.
“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory.”
Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense.
Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province’s coast.
“We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.
“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added.
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images4/flightpath-s.jpg
That is a Turkish Radar Map released by the Turks immediately after the shoot down
It shows that the Russians did violate Turkish Airspace.
Russian violations of Turkish Airspace has happened sat least once before in the past few weeks.
This was common knowledge, and was acknowledged by the Russians.
Turkish data is FAKE.. Russia has released their operational data as they monitor all operations inside Syria and the SU24 was 1KM from Turkish air space.. The F16 did cross INTO inside SYRIA to fire the missile..
Syria air defense also says SU24 did not violate Turkish air space and Turkish F16 was INSIDE Syria when it fired on the SU24.. What turkey says makes no sense anyway. 5 minutes???? 10 warnings??? The bomber was not LOOKING for a target.. It was not a close air support mission, it had a target, programmed flight path and was following that. It had dropped its bombs and was going back to base.. The Turkish data was created by amateurs who do not know Russian air operations.. Which many people even on this site does.. The Turkish data match nato air operation inside Syria.. NOT Russian..
At the NATO meeting the ten warnings were played:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world/europe/turkey-syria-russia-military-plane.html
That is like the cops yelling “stop resisting, stop resisting” while beating the hell out of a guy, paralyzed on the ground because having being tasered.
All sides need to show their evidence.
And Turkey’s alleged flight path does not look right.
Does that prove anything?
Those ten warnings could have been recorded before or after the event.
What are the exact Russian words, meaning, and connotation of Putin’s remark about “stab in the back”? For example, English, the phrase has some resonance with other uses of it in history, e.g. Hitler’s view that the German generals in WWI were “stabbed in the back” by Jews.
betray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS
This was a false flag.. Ambush setup and Turkish jets crossed into Syria and shot theSU24 at close range from behind. Everything was setup before hand including the fake flight path. But Nato already had accepted Turkish version of events and offers support.. So This was a Nato op and not just turkey..
Russia released own Radar objective flight path of the SU24.. Was 1KM inside Syrian air space when Turkish jets crossed into Syria and shot it from behind.. See last link to video..
What 2 guys who will be dead in a week looks like..
https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/669238822245396480
Objective monitoring data confirmed no attempts of Turkish plane to establish communication or visual contact with Rus crew
Lavrov: “The terrorists threat that exist inside #Turkey are not fewer than those that exist inside #Egypt”
Russia says it has proof that it was flying over #Syria-n airspace, not that it is going to matter for #Turkey
#Turkey likely lying about its claims #Russian Jet flew over its airspace and it sent warning for 5 minutes. Even if true the SU24 would have crossed the 2km in 6 seconds.
Speech of Chief of Main Ops Directorate #Rudskoy on Turkish AirForce attacks on #Su24 (eng subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGlJFoIBKQw&feature=youtu.be
First need to calm and think meaningfully. Defense is always a best choice of winning any war.
Saudi , Qatar, Turkey for long would like to control the whole middle east energy to west.
And as a Nato member, France’s relation building among west, could put Russia in a danger situation in Syria. I presume France wants to put foot soldier in Syria now.
And with this consideration, First Russia shouldn’t bring foot soldier in Syria, nor declare a full fledged war against Turkey.
But rather delay the other big power to enter or involve in Syria, get benefit of the Refugee crisis of EU with Turkey, and slow threaten to Turkish tourist industries. Tourism gives about 11% of its GDP.
If next year the refugee crisis is same like now, which seems trues, EU will do all those steps, that Russia need to do now.
Military action is always very very serious. This incident was very predictable. That is why Saker was deeply concerned and he eschews “flag waving.” The Russian military itself always maintains a very serious demeanor. They only “celebrate” when it’s over. Only when mission is really accomplished. And they do end up celebrating, because they have always won in the end, no matter how long and grueling the slog. They can take the pain. This is all really an extension of Zbig’s Afghan War. The devil loves his chess.
good point – Russia’s taking a big risk in Syria, and Turkey / ZATO are the dirtiest players in thegame
This Russian officer impresses me. I’d like to ask that Russian speakers listen to him at
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1448395202 and tell us about their views of what his body-language says. I myself, watching his face and hearing his tone, get the sense that he is resolved, and that, like a fit boxer, would be pleased to kick some A-s, Turkish or otherwise. He seems like a first class officer.
We all know what Israel or the US would do if a country shot down one of it’s aircraft near their border. The airbase the F16 came from would be a smoking hole in the ground before sunset. Unfortunatley Russia has many ongoing trade considerations and the only passage between the Black Sea and Mediterranean is Turkish internal waters, so I suspect the response will likely be more along the lines of cutting off Russian tourism and maybe some trade sanctions.
There is also the consideration that any military retaliation against Turkey involves NATO, which is exactly what the US wants. Turkey would not have shot down a Russian aircraft over Syria, or even one straying a bit into Turkish airspace, without getting pre-approval from the US and it’s NATO gang of thugs. Turkey has been violating Syrian airspace and even carrying out attacks on Syrian territory for years, and is the key supporter of ISIL, buying their oil and supplying them with weapons. They need to be smacked down hard. But I doubt that will happen.
If strategy is to create hostilities between Turk and Russ so as to close the straits to Russ navigation and thus remove Russ ability to support military mission in Syria, and it obviously is – they even had the faked radar tapes ready – then Russ tactic of avoiding such hostilities is probably futile, as Turk will simply repeat the provocation until it works. Logic seems to suggest that Russ response therefore ought to be asymmetric and take place in another venue altogether. As seen here in other comments it is assumed that NATO/US gave the ok and is behind the hostile shoot-down, if so then it is against NATO solidarity and the war-faction in Washington that Russ would reply. The mechanism(s) for such are a mystery to me, but the UNSC might be involved, the Russ/French “allied” ops in Syria also may figure in. Meantime the criminal mercs in Syria, one may expect, are going to be heavily attacked with the object of total liquidation. So it seems to me. Can anyone disabuse me of this?
If there are any who think that Turky have done the right, means that they also support ISIS. Russia is in Syria to fight ISIS and support the widest supported Man in Syria. During Russias fighting for all people that don’t like ISIS have Turky claimed that one of Russia’s Jet trepassed the Turkys border just for some seconds. And what is the respons?
Turky do expeditions in to Syria regulary and the same do the rest of west that now standby the Turks. With this standard should it be totally okay for Syria with the help of Russia to shout everybody that now trespassing into Syria. And if you think about it haven’t you expected that something should happen in the future that escalates the war? I don’t see that Turky have done a clever move, i didn’t expect that,that was my misstake. But considering the covering in west of Turkys bombing of kurds plus more may they think that this also will be white washed in west. Russia is seen in west as a punshbag, there are no moral stops for what west can do to it. Putin have to reinforce to claim his moral rights.
This war would never got off the ground, or would have been severely hampered, if Syria had never de-mined its border with Turkey.
A few years before the war, Turkey was acting friendly to Syria and they cooperated on removing all the mines on the border. But this was actually in preparation for the war on Syria by Turkey and NATO.
Syria was foolish to dismiss the long history of Turkish terror and murder against them for a few years of pretend friendship.
I say, if Syria ever gets control of the border, it should thoroughly re-mine it.
Mines are good defensive weapons and necessary with a neighbor like Turkey.
Turkey to NATO:
Okay, I did it. NOW will you let me in?
When are Russia’s silent partners/ allies going to become visually media present? Russia seems to be fronting all the hardwork and taking alot of hits.
Division of labor. Russia fights. China makes deals. Iran makes video messages.
Every nation has its own interests. Iran can’t fight in Syria. They are barely fighting in Iraq, next door to them. They use Shia militias. They are the great Persian Paper Tiger. They really want to get their hands on the 150 billion dollars the US holds that is “theirs”.
Russia is in Syria to kill terrorists, in particular any that fight Assad and any (4000) who come from Russian Caucuses. Those are the reasons to fight in Syria away from Russia itself.
Russia was able to get a good start on destroying ISIS infrastructure, block the routes to/from Turkey and fly cover for Syrian Army retaking villages and towns (80 or so, so far).
Russia has exposed the Erdogan son’s ISIS oil selling racket, and the Gulf States and many other nation’s financing of ISIS.
Russia has held the mirror of guilt up to the faces of the financial, weapons, Intel and political fathers of ISIS, AQ and the MB scourge. It is all out in the public domain. There are no secrets.
And Russia will catch more hell for doing the right thing. It will have more planes (civilian, maybe, military for sure) lost. It may lose a ship or two. It will suffer sanctions endlessly. It’s currency will be roiled. It’s trade will suffer. But Russia and Russians know this. They will suffer this. Because they are fighting for their nation’s life. This is an existential threat from ISIS and NATO and the Hegemon. And any enemy of Russia will assist any of these three to help harm and destroy Russia.
It is a fight that Russia understands for hundreds and hundreds of years. They are the last bastion of humanity, Christianity and honor.
Satan has taken the other souls of nations but it will never be able to take Russia’s soul.
What I want to know is how did the F16s creep up and shoot the Su24? Did it not try to fight back. If not why
The SU24 is a bomber and not designed to be an air to air fighter.
Russia has other planes for that purpose.
I have read several reports, where the russian jet allegedly violated turkeys airspace for 9, or 17 or 28 seconds.
this means the shot to hit the aircraft would have been initiated while it was in syrian airspace.
what is not clear is that turkey assumes that airspace up to 5 km inside syria is “turkish” airspace.
was the jet engaged there?
syrian girl assumes they would have been escorted on mission, but there is no russian mod confirmation that raids within syria have been escorted by su30/27 fighter aircraft.
No — not Turkey but NATO and their directly controlled Turkish Airforce F-16’s shot down the Russian fighter-bomber. Read Vladimir Putin’s statements more carefully.
Despite the tremendous efforts of NATO trolls to overwhelm you with furious reactions, thiings are not as they seem. NATO controls most of the media including CNN. They are all part of the same military-security-information-industrial complex if anyone cares to look into it.
It is NATO that is already at war with Russia, on multiple fronts: Syria, Crimea, Central Asia, etc. They are desperate to pull Turkey and NATO into a direct and official confrontation with Russia — because ISIS is disintegrating. They are using a ‘Turkmen’ militia to make life as difficult as possible for Erdogan — and they have been doing so by engineering provocations to which Erdogan must respond — but these forces are 100% NATO with almost no Syrian Turkmen in their ranks.
The Turks immediately contacted NATO, not because they wanted help but because they wanted to know what the HELL is going on!
I know it’s difficult to look past the media mirage but the Turkish military absolutely HATES Erdogan which has always been allied to Israel. Erdogan has been at war with his own military since he first came to power. The CIA-Gullenists, who first allied with Erdogan to take down the Erkenegon-NATO-Gladio and Donmeh Turkish Generals, have now turned against the AKP and allied with the Turkish ‘deep state’ and the bloodthirsty NATO cabal.
The civilian AKP Turkish government does not want to help NATO create a Kurdish state on their southern border nor do they want war with Russia. They are not that stupid and have absolutely nothing to gain. The NATO controlled and directed Turkish army does want war, preferably insurgency including in Turkey because this is their business and it has been very profitable in both Syria and Iraq. Bilal Erdogan was a useful prop for them and he got very rich but notice the lack of response when his oil trucks began exploding. I have little doubt that Erdogan has tried to play both ends against the middle and he is greedy and corrupt but he is definitely not sucidal.
He is caught in a trap, maybe because of his own greed and foolishness but also maybe because he has been blackmailed all along. If anyone is in danger of assassination it is Erdogan most of all.
Russia has cut the NATO ISIS oil artery and since NATO does not have an alternative source of funding as of yet, they were desperate and needed to raise the stakes. The US Congress of Shameless-Pro-Israel-Whores has recently massively increased funding to Israel with the funds then being passed onto NATO in an effort to replace the loss of oil revenues but this will take time to reach the NATO proxy armies including ISIS, the Kurds and supposedly Turkmen ‘rebels.’
This should terrify everyone, thanks to Congress, Israel will now be directly funding NATO covert operations and pulling the strings of the Generals.
ISIS and other NATO sponsered terrorist forces are literally bleeding to death and the crisis for the Stangelove-NATO-Gladio gang is getting worse by the moment. When their Paris false flag failed to generate the necessary rallying behind NATO they moved to escalate further. Only NATO has an interest in provoking the bear but so far it is a complete and total failure.
Nothing has changed on the ground in northern Syria. Russia, Syria and Iran are still kicking terrorist butt so much so that Iran is withdrawing forces and redeploying them to Iraq. Hezbollah has withdrawn to Lebanon in expectation of a two-pronged Israeli invasion via Syria and south Lebanon. Expect massive use of tactcal nukes against Lebanese civilians to flush out the population and destroy Hezbollah. This is the plan but Israel-NATO need to dramatically escalate tensions before they can enact it.
Brace yourself. There will be further provocations from NATO because they have no other good options. Expect possible assasinations of politicians and possibly even attempted coup d’etats in the not too distant future.
And now for the worst part. I have absolutely no doubt that NATO has loose’ nukes, say on container ships in NY harbour, which they will be willing to use, first to blackmail, then if all else fails, to enact long term plans for a complete takeover. This is no joke. They have been excercising the component parts of this strategy for decades, including so-called broken arrow operations, which are not attempts to prevent but to actually steal and make use of nuclear weapons against the wishes of political leaders.
Other possible actions include biological warfare against the own populations, something they have been excercising along with Israel in Africa for several years. There is no limit to what the psychopathic NATO-Strangelove gang of generals is willing to do but the rank in file soldiers are an entirely different matter. This is their weak point so it is important that we get the message across and prepare to literally block the tanks and APC’s with our own bodies if necessary.
Does anyone recall the mass arrests of US generals including David Patreus and the ousting of Hillary Clinton from State after Obama won re election? These things have been going on for a long time and we owe it to ourselves to be citizens of humanity and do everything we can to stop the NATO-Israel coup.
One word comes to mind. Desperation. The USA is trying to escalate this because plan A (Daesh overthrowing Assad) is a bust. Now they are moving to pan B and need to put troops in the field. Nobody in NATO is stupid enough to do it except for Turkey. Nobody in NATO is in a position to do that except Turkey. The only option is for Turkey and Syria/Russia to go into a full scale war. The USA must escalate. This is only the first attempt. Count on more and bigger incidents to come.
Russia hopefully won’t bite the bait. I’m thinking they have a lot of other options.
1) Back the Kurds and see how Turkey likes a full blown insurgency inside its own borders. Not just the skirmishes and minor terror like they’ve had so far but a full blown civil war to deal with.
2) Have a “outage” at the gas transmission point to Turkey. Nothing too long but in the dead of winter some “terrorist plot” is broken up by Russian Intelligence but they have to shut down transmission for several weeks while they defuse a bunch of bombs in the facility, etc, etc.
3) Assassinate Erdogan’s son and everyone who was moving Daesh oil. Old school but effective and Russia is very capable of being ruthless.
4) Work Turkey’s military to do a coupe and let them finish off Erdogan. Putin could provide them with lots of proof to justify it. That or #1 so you choose Mr Turkish generals.
All of those would have “plausible deny-ability” for the Russians. Fight fire with fire.
These 28 bastard countries are trying to take down 1 country which is fighting a true battle against terrorists. Turkey has a problem because it is purchasing oil from these people and funding these terrorists. now russia is destroying them and turkey is having problem as their profit is decreasing so it shot down russian plane and ran to nato for help like a coward because turkey knows russia will erase it from map in less than 1 hour.
There seems to be a consensus forming among the better-informed commenters that this is a retaliatory attack for Russia putting a severe crimp in the Erdogan oil smuggling business. It may be the Erdogan son directly engaged in this, but we may assume the father was getting his cut because that’s the way these gangster criminal enterprises work. The Godfather gives his permission for a percentage of the action.
As sleazy as this sounds, a clear understanding of the history of warfare shows that pecuniary interests almost always underlie the official excuses given in public. If the above analysis is correct, it’s the norm, not an outlier.
If the Erdogans believe they can get Russia to stop bombing the oil trucks and infrastructure under the control of ISIS by shooting down a jet, it will certainly prove to be one of the most reckless and amateurish military miscalculations in recent history.
One lesson we all need to learn at some point is that regardless of the devious mechinations we should never underestimate the stupidity and lunacy which could be found in people we might assume would know better. Especially in these times, and in those who may be isolated in group think bubbles.
This is why we need investigation and evidence.
Well the inevitable finally occurred. I imagine the Russian government has already thought this one through. The U.S.-Central Bankers-NATO want to play dirty but I don’t see what Russia can do other than to shout blue murder and take revenge by closing the Turkish-Syrian border. Some have said that arming the Kurds against their enemy Turkey might be a comeuppance, but then someone else might then pose the question “do you not see what you have done?” There really is no going back now and the U.S and its den of vipers are probably planning on an Afghanistan II for the Russian Federation from just outside Syria and Iraq’s borders. If Russia means to fight them in Syraq rather than in Russia then she had better not pussyfoot. Same with Ukraine if the gloves come off there again, arm the Donbass and let them push to the Dneper and Danube-Bolgrad Ismail area and land lock the sons of bitchs. Question. What is with the Israeli air force conducting strikes inside Syria against SAA units with what seems a free pass every time?
To get revenge, Putin will now arm the extremist elements of Kurdish separatist terrorists in Turkey. They may do a 9/11 in Ankara, they may assassinate the Turkish president. Putin will get revenge by proxy to avoid World War Three.
I think the best revenge is to arm the Kurds with any weapon system that will give the Turksih governement hell. Arm the kurds just like the West has armed ISIS.
As an American, I am trying to fathom “Islamic State is Israeli and American soldiers in disguise.” Uh, no, we actually despise Islamic State. And Syria is not Afghanistan either …. Not yet.
As an American also, I can easily fathom this. Might want to research a little more widely.
America playying its ususal double game.
It covertly arms and backs ISIS and other Isllamic Jihadists even as it claims to be fighting them.
What do you think the Benghazi scandal was really about?
The USA was gun-running arms to the Syrian Jihadists, just as surely as it armed Islamic groups in LIbya like the LIbyan Islamic Fighting Group.
My friends, they say “two heads are better than one.” But on this site we have hundreds, if not thousands. Please let’s put our heads together and think of options for a Russian response to Turkey’s act of war. Let’s evaluate the pros and cons of these options. The article below helped formulate some of these suggestions.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323366-turkey-russians-feel-betrayed/
Possible options:
Economic
1. Ending Russian tourism to Turkey and discouraging or prohibiting Russians from traveling to Turkey (it seems Russia already started on this path). This can be done by outlawing travel to Turkey, imposing fines on anyone who visited Turkey, or adding harassment at the airport when such travelers return to Russia (full cavity searches, anyone?)
2. Suspending all flights between Russia and Turkey – it seems a Russian MP made this suggestion; perhaps they should include shipping as well?
3. Freezing assets of Turkish citizens and businesses in Russia.
4. Expelling Turkish citizens from Russia & closing its border to Turkish citizens.
5. Ending all trade with Turkey, particularly cutting off gas supplies and suspending implementation of Turkish Stream pipeline.
6. Ending diplomatic relations with Turkey (expelling Turkish diplomats from Russia and recalling Russian diplomats from Turkey).
Military
1. Pummeling those “Turkmen rebels” into oblivion with cruise missiles.
2. Escalating its bombing campaign against the terrorists’ oil production & distribution networks.
3. Shooting down any Turkish plane that crosses over into Syria.
4. Arming the Syrian army with modern weapons (S-300, MiG-29, etc).
5. Arming PKK and other non-US puppet Kurds (provided Russians can work out a deal between Assad and the Kurds).
6. Securing Syrian airspace by introducing more Russian air defenses and arming Syrian forces with air defenses. It seems Russia started working in this direction.
Political
1. Exposing Turkey’s involvement with the terrorists, including its black-market oil dealing (Putin already started to do this).
2. Providing funding and other aid to Erdogan’s opposition in Turkey.
Pedro de Hungria’s notes on the shootdown of the Russian S-24 on November 24, 2015.
NOTE – 1 – Turkish Pig Sultan Erdogan and his ISIS connected idiot son Bihal are dead men walking.
NOTE – 2 – The Turkish economy will soon collapse from Russian sabotage and boycott.
NOTE – 3 – The PKK now has a ‘big brother’ and will soon have lots of new weapons and intel to plunge Turkey into a bloody civil war, furthering the collapse of Turkey’s economy.
NOTE – 4 – After the ‘stab in the back’ shootdown of the S-24 and the cold-blooded murder of at least one of the pilots plus a Russian Marine on a rescue mission, there will be no more diplomacy – Putin will ‘double-down’ on his support for Bashar Al-Assad and sharply increase support for Syria including some ‘boots on the ground’ Special Forces and invisible ‘green men’. Any Turks caught on the Syrian side of the border will ‘disappear’ from the face of the Earth without a trace.
NOTE – 5 – On the 100th Anniversary of the Turk massacre of the Armenians, many strange things will start happening to the Turks – so many that they will think it’s God’s revenge for the mass murder of the Armenians between 1915 and 1923.
NOTE – 6 – Lots of things will happen to spoil your little homosexual Obama’s legacy that this crazy marica will begin to believe that he has been cursed by the Gods.
NOTE – 7 – The borders of Syria will be restored and guaranteed by Russia, and the country will be rebuilt.
NOTE – 8 – The Evil Zionist Death Cult’s plans for the destruction of Syria will boomerang as Anti-Semitic Populist political movements sweep into power in Amerika and Europe, hastening the collapse of Israel even faster than the C.I.A. has predicted.
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The world is moving in a dangerous direction. There is clear evidence that Turkey and the US have colluded in this action. [See http://atimes.com/2015/11/turkey-gets-toehold-on-syrian-territory-finally/ ]
Obama has quickly come out to assert Turkey’s right of self-defence, even although it was never attacked. The parallel of what happened in the Ukraine, in which no effort was spared in seeking to bring Russia into war, is now happening in Syria. The US wants war. It has this huge military and wants to use it to prove its strength to the world. (It is good for profits too.) Note also, how the European countries call for calm and support Turkey. No condemnation from this quarter of an act of war, as well as an act of barbarism (by moderate rebels!) in shooting the parachuting pilots as they descended. It is quite clear that the US is using Takfiri Salafists as a way of waging unconventional war to bring about regime change and further their aim at world domination (see PNAC papers).
confirmed: second SU24M pilot rescued, safe and sound at Latakie aribase
He will surely testifiy and confirm where it happened, most importantly he will confirm no communication with Turkish AF took place
A few points about retaliation:
Russias strategy is about the protection of Russia, not revenge or tit-for-tat plays if it isn’t effective in the overall strategy.
Playing symmetrically allows the enemy to move your hand, thus avoiding anything that Russia “must do” not to “appear weak” is called for. Asymmetrical moves means you cannot be controlled, own the initiative and force the opponent to constantly rewrite his script.
The power of being a “victim” should not be denounced, it has long been a successfull zionist ploy and altough ineffective on planners and generals it certainly works on populations in enemy states who are preconditioned for it, so does being legal, honest and clear, if you can get the message out and time allows it. An ISIS = US/NATO meme is currently spreading in the west, it would be unfortunate to preempt it.
When focus is somewhere, action is elsewhere, watch Ukraine and the Baltics. Avoid being the sole target and activate your allies.
C I eh? above pointed out that there may be an internal rift between Erdogan and the Turkish military who may have acted not on the governments but NATO’s instructions. Putins statements indeed seems to reflect this assesment.
If this is the case and retaliation is at all called for, Turkey shouldn’t be the target but NATO or perhaps if possible, the crack between the state and the deep state. Strange as it sounds, it is even possible that Erdogan might be better played as an ally or protege than an enemy.
Russia should equip and support the Kurds both in Kurdistan and western Syria. Give them enough hardware to protect themselves in case the Turks cross the border.
Support the Kurds in Turkey – the way NATO/US et al are supporting the maidanists. “Moral Support”
We all remember that after the Terrorist Attacks on the World Trade Buildings, that President George Bush said that Countries had to decide if they were either for or against Terrorism.
President George Bush went on to say: “any nation that continues to harbour or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime”, and the rest of that speech given to both Houses of the American Congress can be found on the Internet, and it is worth reading, but unfortunately, America under the Secret Leadership of President Hillary Clinton along with Vice President Barack Obama have been Actively Supporting Terrorists.
Al Qaeda Turkey, which is a Candidate for joining the European Union, and which some People in Europe thought had European Values, has shown itself to be Clearly and Firmly on the side of of Terrorism, because of Secret Support (SS) of their Secret Ally of ISIS.
I have not had time to Research if the Russian Anti Terrorist jet was in Turkish airspace, but Turkey acted like a Rogue Country, because even if jet even if the Russian plane had momentarily and inadvertently strayed into Turkish airspace, then Al Qaeda Turkey should have have acted in a friendly manner toward that Russian jet, because Turkey should be a Partner with Russia against Terrorism.
There are People who would hope that Turkey would apologise for this, but other People know that Turkey is Hostile to both Europe and to European Values of Freedom, Democracy, and Justice.
We have not as yet heard any statement from any of the European Axis of Evil Countries who are the Secret Allies of ISIS, and these Secret Allies of ISIS are Al Qaeda England, Al Qaeda Germany, and Al Qaeda Albania, along with the Al Qaeda Albanians of FRYOM, and Al Qaeda Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
The British Prime Minister David Cameron, is also known as Depraved Dave and as Caliphate Cameron, because he supports an ISIL Caliphate in the Middle East, and because Al Qadea England is a Secret Ally of the ISIS Terrorists.
It is easy to understand the Motives of Al Qaeda Muslim Albania, and Al Qaeda England is once again merely doing the bidding of Al Qaeda America, but it is More Subtle with Al Qaeda Germany.
We know that during WW 1, that Germany and Turkey were Allies, and Turkey was not against Hitler in WW 2.
Germany Secretly Approved of the Armenian Genocide, because Germany knows that it needs Nazi Turkey, because the Armenians were against Nazism.
Germany knows that it needed Turkey to win WW 1, and a Neutral Turkey during WW 2, and Germany knows that it needs Turkey once again if it is Conquor Continental Europe, and Al Qaeda Turkey wants to receate the Ottoman Empire with the help of Nazi Germany.
Germany wants a Stronger Nazi Turkey, and Nazi Germany knows that the Turkish Citizens of Kurdish Ethnicity are against Nazism, and so Nazi Germany is hoping that the conflict created by ISIS Terrorists will cause either the Genocide or the Ethnic Cleansing of the Kurdish People of Turkey, because like the Armenians, the Kurds are also against Evil and against Nazism.
The Sinister Plan of Al Qaeda England, Al Qaeda Germany and Al Qaeda America is to break International Law, because they want a regime change in Syria, even though Syria had Free and Fair Elections, and even though Syria has a Democratically Elected Government, which is no threat to any Country in the World, but because Germany needs Turkey once again to Dominate Continental Europe.
Al Qaeda Turkey, which is a Country that was built on Many Genocides wants to commit another Genocide on the Kurdish People, and Turkey along with Al Qaeda England, Al Qaeda Germany, Al Qaeda America, Al Qaeda Saudi Arabia, and Al Qaeda Qatar are Providing Money, Weapons, and Supplies to their Secret Ally of ISIS.
Al Qaeda Turkey is also providing safe passage for Terrorists who are going to join Terrorist ISIL, and the Inevitable ISIL Terrorists who are mingled up among the Many Refugees who are coming to Continental Europe to seek Temporary Protection until it is Safe once again for them to return to Syria.
Nazi Germany wants to use the ISIL Terrorists as Merkel’s Mercenaries, even as Germany is using Ukrainian Nazis and Albanian Nazis as Merkel’s Mercenaries to create the Fourth Reich on Continental Europe.
This is all politics and money. Feelings got nothing to do with it.
Intensified military operations close to the Turkish border can also mean Daesh are losing badly. Russians are not stupid – they’ll never go for an overkill, to create a martyr. One of the tempting options is to create a window for those savages and direct their withdrawal towards Turkey. Let the Turks deal with them, or risk the civil war (which is coming anyway, mark my words). That would release some tension in Yemen and allow Shiites, along with Assad, to inflict some significant damage on “Saudis”.
The Jordanian king’s visit to Moscow is significant (Daesh were trained there, do not forget that). Hashemite kingdom wants a piece of cake, as they claim descendance from Prophet Mohammed, peace and blessings be upon him. It appears so that Iran is promised control over Mecca and Medina and there is not a single sunni who will accept that. Behind the curtain, Turkey has to deal with that, along with “Saudis” and other sunnis.
Hence, silence from Iran and China. We can paint Erdogan as a criminal as much as we like, but he is between the hammer and the anvil. (Where did Putin’s billions came from, humanitarian work?) I am not defending Erdogan, just keeping the things in perspective.
Now, overnight, the French are the good guys. How come? Another promise to Russia, like in 1917.? Putin would be very stupid to play on that card. More then 50 million Russians payed with their lives for that mistake. I consider him much smarter (though it’s high time Russians show the world that they do not depend solely on Putin) and he must also deal with Medvedev and the opposition, who are very much alive.
Kurds? They listen to nobody – only Israel. Israel used to control all of the Turkish brass (Donmeh) and now they hate the guts of the Turks.
Every single option is on the tables and even the slightest mistake by the opponent can mean a total change of tactics and strategy. No one can afford to show weakness, it is a death sentence.
This incident only shows that there are forces out there that really wants WWIII..Lets just hope they will not succeed or else many of us will become shadows on the wall.
and these forces are looking more and more like NATO.
Korybko is right, it’s a classic manipulation and divide/conquer manuever by the US.
Remember the line of shiny toyota’s being supplied to and driven by isis scum?
boycotts work and leaves a message. so, anyone suppying any supplies to isis,
needs to be boycotted.
the first on the list, toyota motors.
boycott toyota motors
Why did Turkey have the body of the dead Russian pilot???